*** The Dallas Cowboys Thread ***

[A Disciple]

Cowboy fans unite. ;)

This is a thread for Cowboy fans and guys that just like to talk football to kick it around about the Boys. I'm hoping to have some real football talk in here. And not Gav and CP coming in here telling us how gay TO is or how much Romo sucks. :p lol, aif. But seriously, lets chat it up a bit.

So what do we think of last season?
What is it that we need to improve on in order to get over the hump?
How do you like our off season moves so far?
Predicitions for this coming season?
Are we the best team in the East? Or is it the Giants?


Let's chat it up fellas.

[SuPeRfLyKiD]

TO is gay and Romo sucks.

[CP]

Cowboy fans unite. ;)

This is a thread for Cowboy fans and guys that just like to talk football to kick it around about the Boys. I'm hoping to have some real football talk in here. And not Gav and CP coming in here telling us how gay TO is or how much Romo sucks. :p lol, aif. But seriously, lets chat it up a bit.

So what do we think of last season?- failure
What is it that we need to improve on in order to get over the hump?- Romo to step up his game when it matters
How do you like our off season moves so far?-I like the move of getting Pac, but I'm not sold on the Felix Jones over Mendenhall pick, although I think Felix will be decent hes your typical scatback
Predicitions for this coming season? 12-4 and another division title
Are we the best team in the East? Or is it the Giants?- The Giants may have won the SB but they weren't the best team in the NFL last season. They battered and bruised the overhyped Patriots in the superbowl but got by Dallas with a few breaks to their advantage


Let's chat it up fellas.

My opinions in bold

[steelersrock]

cowboys suck..........

[A Disciple]

IMO, we were far and away the best team in the NFC last year. Am I biased, of course. But the only team that was even close was GB and we beat them pretty easily. Now of course NYG beat us both when it counted. I don't think that they were better by any means, but I don't think they were better than NE either and we see how that turned out. They were better when they needed to be though. (hats off)

Now, what is the main things we need to get better from last season?


More poise from Romo.
Consistency at CB.
We need to get younger at WR.
A pass rush from someone who isn't 94.
For Roy to _______ better.
Smarter play calling.

At CB last year, when New went down... it got ugly. RIP Jacque Reeves. (ewwwww. the name alone makes me shudder) Bringing in Pac for a 4th ( a top 5 talent from a few seasons ago) and drafting a nice rook in Mike Jenkins makes me feel VERY good about this problem. I think we have a top tier CB crew now. Hamlin played very solid for us last year and I still think Watkins can blossom into a solid player. Now if only we could get something from our stud Pro Bowl SS. **sigh**

I also see some blossom out of Anthony Spencer. I think that him and Ware wil be monsters getting after the passer. Bringing in Zach Thomas will be nice (I guess) for our LBs, but only if he can actually stay on the field. He's old and a concusion case. He will be a good leader in the locker room and be a nice coach on the field type though.

I really love bringing in Felix to go along with the Barbarian, and Jenkins was also a good pick... but why on earth did we trade our back up TE and a VERY solid LB for a 4th round pick and then spend a 2nd rounder on another back up TE??? Why not take any one of the plethora of WRs that went to all our division rivals. :mad: The Skins loaded up on O, the Eagles got Deshean and the Giants got a niiiiiiiiiiiiice later pick in Mario. Why didn't we get a wideout? I would have looooooooooooved to get Sweed. Mario late would have been very nice too. At this point I almost wouldn't mind picking up basket case Chris Henry. lol, him and Pac were teammates at WVU, why not? lol

But seriously, as much as I love TO and Terry Glenn. We have probably got the oldest pair of starting WRs in the league. And Pat Crayton is 30. No way can we expect to be successful in the future with a trio of guys in their 30's. I see why there is a rumor of Pac playing O. lol

Now to the reason I think we lost to NYG last season. The playcalling and lack of experience from Romo. First, Marion was having his way with the Giants D. ANd then in the 4th we completely abandoned the run game. And to top that off, when it was late in the game, Romo was trying to win the game on every play. Like all of a sudden its a bad idea to check down for a 4 or 5 yard gain??? Come on guys... GOTTA BE SMART OUT THERE!!! Now these are things that can be fixed though, so no biggie there.

Lets just hope we are better and smarter this year than we were last year.

[A Disciple]

TO is gay and Romo sucks.

cowboys suck..........
lol, yeah yeah yeah losers. :p

My opinions in bold
funny how we agree on quite a few things there. Check out my post and tell me what you think there.

[SuPeRfLyKiD]

I'm not exactly sure if Terry Glenn will be able to play next season. Supposedly the story on him is that he needs microfracture surgery, and by looking at other guys who have had that surgery, it usually takes a year to fully recover. TO will be TO and he should have a fine year. The only thing I would worry about with him is being able to stay healthy. He's gotten hurt 2 out of the last 4 years towards the end of the season, so that is something to look out for.

I'm not a fan of the "lame duck" coaching technique by ownership; however, it seemed to work out pretty well for the Giants last year with Coughlin. He was pretty much dead in the water going into this past season, as is Wade Phillips if he doesn't win a Super Bowl. I just figure that if they plan on having Jason Garrett take over, I don't see a reason to keep Phillips around and make him feel insecure. If Jones really likes Garrett as the future, he should have just let him take over this season.

The main thing I'll be looking out for next season is to see how Marion Barber holds when he is getting 20+ carries a game next season. He was only averaging around 8-10 carries last season, so it will be interesting to see how he holds up throughout an entire season. He has a very punishing running style, and I'm curious to see if he can hold up for 16 games with that style and the amount of contact he takes.

[CP]

IMO, we were far and away the best team in the NFC last year. Am I biased, of course.

I wouldn't say far and away but I do agree that you guys were the best in the NFC. The Cowboys lost that game last season to NYG more than NYG actually took it.


But the only team that was even close was GB and we beat them pretty easily. Now of course NYG beat us both when it counted. I don't think that they were better by any means, but I don't think they were better than NE either and we see how that turned out. They were better when they needed to be though. (hats off)

Very true


Now, what is the main things we need to get better from last season?


More poise from Romo.
Consistency at CB.
We need to get younger at WR.
A pass rush from someone who isn't 94.
For Roy to _______ better.
Smarter play calling.


I don't think where you get the pass rush from really matters as long as you get it. (Though it would be nice for one of the younger guys to show promise). I think the cowboys should just trade Roy and be done with it. The guy sucks in every single system the Boys have tried, so either experiment with him at another spot (LB) or trade him. Maybe there's a GM out there who would be willing to bite on the whole overrated probowler tidbit.




At CB last year, when New went down... it got ugly. RIP Jacque Reeves. (ewwwww. the name alone makes me shudder) Bringing in Pac for a 4th ( a top 5 talent from a few seasons ago) and drafting a nice rook in Mike Jenkins makes me feel VERY good about this problem. I think we have a top tier CB crew now. Hamlin played very solid for us last year and I still think Watkins can blossom into a solid player. Now if only we could get something from our stud Pro Bowl SS. **sigh**

I would refrain from saying Top tier CB crew at the moment when one guy is a year removed from playing football, and one is a rookie new to the NFL game. Their ceiling is that of a top secondary though.


I also see some blossom out of Anthony Spencer. I think that him and Ware wil be monsters getting after the passer. Bringing in Zach Thomas will be nice (I guess) for our LBs, but only if he can actually stay on the field. He's old and a concusion case. He will be a good leader in the locker room and be a nice coach on the field type though.

Spencer will be great for you guys whenever Greg Ellis declines and should be good in a situational role for the now as he has a nice array of skills. Zach Thomas staying on the field for a sustained amount of time is as likely as me saying "I Love Bill belichick". But I do think his coaching and him being a mentor is good for the team.


I really love bringing in Felix to go along with the Barbarian, and Jenkins was also a good pick... but why on earth did we trade our back up TE and a VERY solid LB for a 4th round pick and then spend a 2nd rounder on another back up TE??? Why not take any one of the plethora of WRs that went to all our division rivals. :mad: The Skins loaded up on O, the Eagles got Deshean and the Giants got a niiiiiiiiiiiiice later pick in Mario. Why didn't we get a wideout? I would have looooooooooooved to get Sweed. Mario late would have been very nice too. At this point I almost wouldn't mind picking up basket case Chris Henry. lol, him and Pac were teammates at WVU, why not? lol

I still think the Boys should have taken Mendenhall but maybe Felix will pan out. He's a good back but Mendenhall is better IMO. I don't know why Dallas didn't take a WR either. That confused me. Washington drafting 2 of them will help with the WCO and the progression of young Jason Campbell.


But seriously, as much as I love TO and Terry Glenn. We have probably got the oldest pair of starting WRs in the league. And Pat Crayton is 30. No way can we expect to be successful in the future with a trio of guys in their 30's. I see why there is a rumor of Pac playing O. lol

Terry Glenn is one injury away from being done, Crayton is a below average WR who is up there in age, and T.O is still a monster. That will have to be addressed eventually. My money says Dallas makes a hard run at Roy Williams from Detroit when (no not if, he plays for the damn Detroit Lions) he makes a run for free agency.


Now to the reason I think we lost to NYG last season. The playcalling and lack of experience from Romo. First, Marion was having his way with the Giants D. ANd then in the 4th we completely abandoned the run game. And to top that off, when it was late in the game, Romo was trying to win the game on every play. Like all of a sudden its a bad idea to check down for a 4 or 5 yard gain??? Come on guys... GOTTA BE SMART OUT THERE!!! Now these are things that can be fixed though, so no biggie there.

Crayton also played a horrific game. There was a pass he dropped (after Romo created time and threw across his body perfectly into his hands) that could possibly hav been a 60+ yd TD as Crayton had a good angle and a lot of room to run. Then on the last drive, Crayton ran a streak, Romo threw a pass to him and it was a good pass, but then Crayton stops and the ball sails over his head :confused:

I don't get why they went away from Marion. He was absolutely killing them, I remember he ran over Antonio Pierce on successive plays. I watch every Giants game and never saw Pierce get ran over once much less twice :eek:

The coaching was very shaky.

[A Disciple]

I'm not exactly sure if Terry Glenn will be able to play next season. Supposedly the story on him is that he needs microfracture surgery, and by looking at other guys who have had that surgery, it usually takes a year to fully recover. TO will be TO and he should have a fine year. The only thing I would worry about with him is being able to stay healthy. He's gotten hurt 2 out of the last 4 years towards the end of the season, so that is something to look out for.

I'm not a fan of the "lame duck" coaching technique by ownership; however, it seemed to work out pretty well for the Giants last year with Coughlin. He was pretty much dead in the water going into this past season, as is Wade Phillips if he doesn't win a Super Bowl. I just figure that if they plan on having Jason Garrett take over, I don't see a reason to keep Phillips around and make him feel insecure. If Jones really likes Garrett as the future, he should have just let him take over this season.

The main thing I'll be looking out for next season is to see how Marion Barber holds when he is getting 20+ carries a game next season. He was only averaging around 8-10 carries last season, so it will be interesting to see how he holds up throughout an entire season. He has a very punishing running style, and I'm curious to see if he can hold up for 16 games with that style and the amount of contact he takes.
Very good points.

I agree that I have no idea why Wade Phillips is the coach. I never really like that hire to begin with. I swear I wish that Jimmy Johnson was still here. I loved his coaching style.

I think Marion will be fine. Especially seeing how little he carried the ball in his previous 3 seasons. He will stil have a nice productive career and Felix will be better than Julius was if you ask me.

Our WR situation is one that worries me though. :(

[A Disciple]

I wouldn't say far and away but I do agree that you guys were the best in the NFC. The Cowboys lost that game last season to NYG more than NYG actually took it.

Very true

I don't think where you get the pass rush from really matters as long as you get it. (Though it would be nice for one of the younger guys to show promise). I think the cowboys should just trade Roy and be done with it. The guy sucks in every single system the Boys have tried, so either experiment with him at another spot (LB) or trade him. Maybe there's a GM out there who would be willing to bite on the whole overrated probowler tidbit.

I would refrain from saying Top tier CB crew at the moment when one guy is a year removed from playing football, and one is a rookie new to the NFL game. Their ceiling is that of a top secondary though.

Spencer will be great for you guys whenever Greg Ellis declines and should be good in a situational role for the now as he has a nice array of skills. Zach Thomas staying on the field for a sustained amount of time is as likely as me saying "I Love Bill belichick". But I do think his coaching and him being a mentor is good for the team.

I still think the Boys should have taken Mendenhall but maybe Felix will pan out. He's a good back but Mendenhall is better IMO. I don't know why Dallas didn't take a WR either. That confused me. Washington drafting 2 of them will help with the WCO and the progression of young Jason Campbell.

Terry Glenn is one injury away from being done, Crayton is a below average WR who is up there in age, and T.O is still a monster. That will have to be addressed eventually. My money says Dallas makes a hard run at Roy Williams from Detroit when (no not if, he plays for the damn Detroit Lions) he makes a run for free agency.

Crayton also played a horrific game. There was a pass he dropped (after Romo created time and threw across his body perfectly into his hands) that could possibly hav been a 60+ yd TD as Crayton had a good angle and a lot of room to run. Then on the last drive, Crayton ran a streak, Romo threw a pass to him and it was a good pass, but then Crayton stops and the ball sails over his head :confused:

I don't get why they went away from Marion. He was absolutely killing them, I remember he ran over Antonio Pierce on successive plays. I watch every Giants game and never saw Pierce get ran over once much less twice :eek:

The coaching was very shaky.
lol, again very very good points. I bolded the points I agree with most.

I agree with the CB points. I'm wishful thinking (hoping Pac can play like we know he can, Jenkins is what I think he is, New stays healthy and doesn't play content cause he got his money and Henry isn't over the hill)

I like Felix over Mend just because I feel like Felix is a better compliment.

I would loooooooooooooooove to get the "other" Roy in a Cowboys uni.

[GAV]

Its rumored that the new Tecmo Bowl for the Wii allows you to edit team names and player names. I'm gonna rename the Dallas team to the Brokebacks - and rename the players appropriately.

Tony Homo
Marion Gargle
Jason Spitten
Terrence Blewman
Roy Gilliams
Terry Glenn (This one says enough left alone)
Adam (Pac-Man) Jones (no change needed)
Team Owner - Bury Bones

If anyone has any other good ones, they would be appreciated.

[ahr19]

In terms of the Cowboys, their offense was relatively healthy the entire season last year (since Glenn was out the entire season, they didn't really miss him from jump).

The O-line stayed relatively healthy. Romo started all 16 games. TO didn't miss a game. Barber played all 16 games. Witten was healthy the entire season. I would worry about them being as healthy this next season. Who will step up if TO gets hurt or Barber or Witten. Who is the backup to Romo? Brad Johnson?

Defense ... again, CB is still very thin. Sure they (almost) have Pac Man, but what if Newman gets hurt again. That could spell trouble again. Aren't they replacing Ayodele with Zach Thomas? Not sure about that if it is true. Ware is a straight up monster. Tank Johnson could be huge as well on the D-line if he stays out of trouble. I think Watkins is done and Roy W is just a liability. I still see Santana running by him twice on Monday night a few seasons ago ... ;-)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gD1ZQ8NnauQ&feature=related

(start at like 20 seconds) ...

I think the boy's biggest liability is coaching ... Bum Phillips Jr is horrible ... Can he keep TO in line 2 years in a row?? Can he keep Jerry Jones from calling all the plays?? Odds are ... NO ...

Still win the NFC East though ... although Philly is improved and the Giants are pretty damn good ... and the Skins probably just maintained their team and didn't take a big step up (although Zorn is the wildcard)

[Nevada_Ballin]

Man, this looks like a perfect thread to hijack.... :)



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[themenace47]

ahhh this looks like the perfect place...

[GAV]

Which one is gayer?
This thread...
...or this song. --->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPT_3PEjnsE&feature=related

[JoeJGibbs]

In terms of the Cowboys, their offense was relatively healthy the entire season last year (since Glenn was out the entire season, they didn't really miss him from jump).

The O-line stayed relatively healthy. Romo started all 16 games. TO didn't miss a game. Barber played all 16 games. Witten was healthy the entire season. I would worry about them being as healthy this next season. Who will step up if TO gets hurt or Barber or Witten. Who is the backup to Romo? Brad Johnson?

Defense ... again, CB is still very thin. Sure they (almost) have Pac Man, but what if Newman gets hurt again. That could spell trouble again. Aren't they replacing Ayodele with Zach Thomas? Not sure about that if it is true. Ware is a straight up monster. Tank Johnson could be huge as well on the D-line if he stays out of trouble. I think Watkins is done and Roy W is just a liability. I still see Santana running by him twice on Monday night a few seasons ago ... ;-)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gD1ZQ8NnauQ&feature=related

(start at like 20 seconds) ...

I think the boy's biggest liability is coaching ... Bum Phillips Jr is horrible ... Can he keep TO in line 2 years in a row?? Can he keep Jerry Jones from calling all the plays?? Odds are ... NO ...

Still win the NFC East though ... although Philly is improved and the Giants are pretty damn good ... and the Skins probably just maintained their team and didn't take a big step up (although Zorn is the wildcard)

I don't see the problem with Phillips. He inherited a team that Parcels created that was decent and went 12-4 with them. TO is in line as long as he's getting the ball and how hard should it be to get your 6'3 200+ manchild million dollar WR the football. That team just tanked toward the end of the season and went into the playoffs like that. In fact, the Cowboys were negatively doing exactly what the Giants were doing positively at the time.

Cowboys are fine from where I stand.

[sanantonio]

I don't see the problem with Phillips. He inherited a team that Parcels created that was decent and went 12-4 with them. TO is in line as long as he's getting the ball and how hard should it be to get your 6'3 200+ manchild million dollar WR the football. That team just tanked toward the end of the season and went into the playoffs like that. In fact, the Cowboys were negatively doing exactly what the Giants were doing positively at the time.

Cowboys are fine from where I stand.

Couldn't agree more and with the addition of Pac we have tightened our defense. I will say that we have questions at the WR position but those could still be answered during this off season. One or two guys could also step up during training camp.

Marion will once again be the Barbarian and I don't think his carries will get much above 13 per.

[BK Arsonist]

I don't see the problem with Phillips. He inherited a team that Parcels created that was decent and went 12-4 with them. TO is in line as long as he's getting the ball and how hard should it be to get your 6'3 200+ manchild million dollar WR the football. That team just tanked toward the end of the season and went into the playoffs like that. In fact, the Cowboys were negatively doing exactly what the Giants were doing positively at the time.

Cowboys are fine from where I stand.

I think that statement is kind of harsh. I compare the way the Boy's finished the season to a boxer getting dazed in the final 20 seconds of a round - They survived the round, but got finished off in the next round. The Giants D just got hot, but I still think the Cowboys killed themselves in that game. My biggest problem with the coming year is that the four teams in the NFC East could beat each other up all year and have nothing left come playoff time.


Anyway, on to America's Team

The offense is stacked and people will realize why we grabbed Felix instead of Rashard. Romo is the key obviously and I think his past playoff failures will fuel him. Defensively, I get an erection thinking about the talent they'll put on the field. Spencer is much improved and has been an animal in the OTA's, so if Ellis acts up, he'll be shipped to Miami for CP's favorite player (Jason Taylor)... lol The secondary will be strong and the pass rush can only make them better. Jenkins will be ready to contribute right away (another guy shining in the OTA's). Overall, I don't see them going 13-3 again... maybe 11-5, but hopefully they've learned a thing or two...


I notice the Eagles trolls can never talk football :D



Much respect as usual to the 'skins backers

[JoeJGibbs]

I think that statement is kind of harsh. I compare the way the Boy's finished the season to a boxer getting dazed in the final 20 seconds of a round - They survived the round, but got finished off in the next round. The Giants D just got hot, but I still think the Cowboys killed themselves in that game. My biggest problem with the coming year is that the four teams in the NFC East could beat each other up all year and have nothing left come playoff time.



Well I was comparing with how they started with how they finished the regular season, not just what happened in the playoffs. I saw their play during the playoffs as a direct reflection on how their season ended.

I don't think it was as if they played well Weeks 1-16, and then poor for week 17. The last quarter of their season (win or lose) weren't well played games iirc.

They started the season looking unstoppable. In fact, the only team that could handle them were the Superfriends aka Patriots. Somewhere along the way, the decline happened. And somewhere along the way the Giant's gelled. More importantly, all of this happened with just weeks left of the regular season. The Boys kinda limped into the playoffs as a diff team than weeks 1-8; while the Giants were clicking. That's the point I was making.

[sanantonio]

Well I was comparing with how they started with how they finished the regular season, not just what happened in the playoffs. I saw their play during the playoffs as a direct reflection on how their season ended.

I don't think it was as if they played well Weeks 1-16, and then poor for week 17. The last quarter of their season (win or lose) weren't well played games iirc.

They started the season looking unstoppable. In fact, the only team that could handle them were the Superfriends aka Patriots. Somewhere along the way, the decline happened. And somewhere along the way the Giant's gelled. More importantly, all of this happened with just weeks left of the regular season. The Boys kinda limped into the playoffs as a diff team than weeks 1-8; while the Giants were clicking. That's the point I was making.

Sorry Jip but I think Joe hit the nail on the head. We looked like a different team going into the playoffs. I felt so supremely confidant about our team going into Chicago but something happened after NE and we never got it back. The Giants were not a better team then us but they executed better when it counted and it was as if we were waiting for someone to hit a light switch. I think the biggest problem is some how maintaining an even keel throughout a very long season. It was kind of like we were no longer synched as a team and especially late in that Giants game we didn't know how to resynch. Hopefully it's being addressed or at least talked about.

I also hope they are considering sitting RW down at least on known passing situations that is a liability we can no longer afford to carry. I like the guy and all but I would sit my brother if he was hurting my team.

[BK Arsonist]

Sorry Jip but I think Joe hit the nail on the head. We looked like a different team going into the playoffs. I felt so supremely confidant about our team going into Chicago but something happened after NE and we never got it back. The Giants were not a better team then us but they executed better when it counted and it was as if we were waiting for someone to hit a light switch. I think the biggest problem is some how maintaining an even keel throughout a very long season. It was kind of like we were no longer synched as a team and especially late in that Giants game we didn't know how to resynch. Hopefully it's being addressed or at least talked about.

I also hope they are considering sitting RW down at least on known passing situations that is a liability we can no longer afford to carry. I like the guy and all but I would sit my brother if he was hurting my team.


That's the difference, I never felt confident about this team last year - too many holes. San An, you know you and I would talk behind the scenes and I told you this team didn't have what it took to win it all.

As for Roy...lol I was joking with my wife this weekend about how his jersey is basically buried in the back of my closet.... Roy has an obvious weakness, but it's the coaching staffs job to hide those weaknesses. Roy's first few years in the league, I think we all would agreed that he was one of the most feared safeties in the league. He was known for game changing hits (not the collar :p), but something happened.... I point at that Monday night game against the 'skins when it all seemed to come apart. Anyway, we have the corners to matchup with most teams, so put Roy in the box and let him play downhill. On passing situations, put him on a back or blitz him.

[CP]

That's the difference, I never felt confident about this team last year - too many holes. San An, you know you and I would talk behind the scenes and I told you this team didn't have what it took to win it all.

As for Roy...lol I was joking with my wife this weekend about how his jersey is basically buried in the back of my closet.... Roy has an obvious weakness, but it's the coaching staffs job to hide those weaknesses. Roy's first few years in the league, I think we all would agreed that he was one of the most feared safeties in the league. He was known for game changing hits (not the collar :p), but something happened.... I point at that Monday night game against the 'skins when it all seemed to come apart. Anyway, we have the corners to matchup with most teams, so put Roy in the box and let him play downhill. On passing situations, put him on a back or blitz him.

Feared is an overstatement IMO. Better than what he is? Sure, well that is clear (Roy is a bottom half of the league safety.

[sanantonio]

That's the difference, I never felt confident about this team last year - too many holes. San An, you know you and I would talk behind the scenes and I told you this team didn't have what it took to win it all.

As for Roy...lol I was joking with my wife this weekend about how his jersey is basically buried in the back of my closet.... Roy has an obvious weakness, but it's the coaching staffs job to hide those weaknesses. Roy's first few years in the league, I think we all would agreed that he was one of the most feared safeties in the league. He was known for game changing hits (not the collar :p), but something happened.... I point at that Monday night game against the 'skins when it all seemed to come apart. Anyway, we have the corners to matchup with most teams, so put Roy in the box and let him play downhill. On passing situations, put him on a back or blitz him.

That is true you called it. I think I saw the holes too but I can be delusional at times and it serves me well till the guillotine falls lol. How does the phrase go "ignorance is bliss" that's me concerning the Boy's most of the time.

RW for me can just stay on the bench and play special teams. They did an interview with Newman where he said RW had lost some confidence but RW was pointing at other stuff outside of himself. I'm like dude if you can't really look at your deficiencies how can you work on them? I say shyt can his azz and move on unless he's willing to accept the fact that he sucks and try to fix it.

[BK Arsonist]

Feared is an overstatement IMO. Better than what he is? Sure, well that is clear (Roy is a bottom half of the league safety.


lol... OK CP, I give up with you....

Forget what his teammates and peers around the league say, CP is the football authority...

Here's a little something from this ok DB that played for the Cowboys -

Said Woodson: "When I played, there was no way I was going to let Roy go out there and cover. No way Zimmer was going to allow it, either."

Woodson covered. Roy blew up receivers. Woodson made checkdowns. Roy blew up receivers.

"Roy does his best coming downhill. I've never seen a better big-time game-changer in my entire career," Woodson said. "If he concentrates and focuses, and accepts the challenge, he can cover."



I still luv ya man :D

[CP]

lol... OK CP, I give up with you....

Forget what his teammates and peers around the league say, CP is the football authority...

Here's a little something from this ok DB that played for the Cowboys -

Said Woodson: "When I played, there was no way I was going to let Roy go out there and cover. No way Zimmer was going to allow it, either."

Woodson covered. Roy blew up receivers. Woodson made checkdowns. Roy blew up receivers.

"Roy does his best coming downhill. I've never seen a better big-time game-changer in my entire career," Woodson said. "If he concentrates and focuses, and accepts the challenge, he can cover."



I still luv ya man :D

Just my opinion Jigga Man, just like its Woodson's opinion. And I would love to hear his definition of the word gamechangers ;)

oh and you mean the same teammates and peers that have voted him into like 5 probowls based on............damn what is it based on? :p

If he focuses and accepts the challenge he can cover?

1) When was this statement from?
2) Its been what 6 years into the career of Roy Williams now, when will people understand that the man just cannot cover? Seriously.

I luv ya 2 my fellow NY'er but we will never ever agree on Roy Williams. You have been defending him for years whole I have been saying he sucks for years.

[GAV]

All of Dallas' players suck. Anyone who wears that star is undeserving of the air they breathe.

[BK Arsonist]

Just my opinion Jigga Man, just like its Woodson's opinion. And I would love to hear his definition of the word gamechangers ;)

oh and you mean the same teammates and peers that have voted him into like 5 probowls based on............damn what is it based on? :p

If he focuses and accepts the challenge he can cover?

1) When was this statement from?
2) Its been what 6 years into the career of Roy Williams now, when will people understand that the man just cannot cover? Seriously.


I luv ya 2 my fellow NY'er but we will never ever agree on Roy Williams. You have been defending him for years whole I have been saying he sucks for years.


1- This statement was from last week... See, I bleed Cowboys metalic blue and silver. A day doesn't go by without me reading about them :D

2 - Again, his first few years this wasn't an issue, because he didn't have to do it (excellent scheme) gold star for the coaches.


Nah, we don't disagree on Roy and I'm not taking up for him. He can't cover, period. Can he still have an impact on the game and be an above average player, yes!

I'm past the Roy stuff, honestly, I hope he has a good season, but I'm not counting on him.

I don't think you can underestimate the importance of a good scheme. Steve Nash was a very average player in Dallas, he moves to Phoenix, enter D'Antoni and he's MVP. That pick and roll has been good for him...

Now, In NO WAY am I saying that Roy will be Defensive MVP, but in the right scheme, he can return to the level he once played on. I watch every Cowboys game like you watch all Jets games, and trust me, dude made some huge plays when he was playing at on a higher level.

[CP]

1- This statement was from last week... See, I bleed Cowboys metalic blue and silver. A day doesn't go by without me reading about them :D

2 - Again, his first few years this wasn't an issue, because he didn't have to do it (excellent scheme) gold star for the coaches.


Nah, we don't disagree on Roy and I'm not taking up for him. He can't cover, period. Can he still have an impact on the game and be an above average player, yes!

I'm past the Roy stuff, honestly, I hope he has a good season, but I'm not counting on him.

I don't think you can underestimate the importance of a good scheme. Steve Nash was a very average player in Dallas, he moves to Phoenix, enter D'Antoni and he's MVP. That pick and roll has been good for him...

Now, In NO WAY am I saying that Roy will be Defensive MVP, but in the right scheme, he can return to the level he once played on. I watch every Cowboys game like you watch all Jets games, and trust me, dude made some huge plays when he was playing at on a higher level.

Fair enough. We do disagree on Roy, because I don't think he can be an impact player by any means. His hitting skills ahve been overrated for quite some time now. He isn't John Lynch, he isn't Brian Dawkins etc. I don't know why Dallas hasn't tried moving him to another position or flat out trading him. I think the guy stinks.

WHOAAAAAAAA Steve Nash was not "very average" in Dallas.

2000-01- 48% FG 41% 3 pt shooter 16 PPG 7 APG
2001-02- 48% FG 46% 3 pt shooter 18 PPG 8 APG
2002-03- 47% FG 41% 3 pt shooter 17 PPG 7 APG
2003-04- 47% FG 41% 3 pt shooter 15 PPG 9 APG

That was not "very average"

[BK Arsonist]

Fair enough. We do disagree on Roy, because I don't think he can be an impact player by any means. His hitting skills ahve been overrated for quite some time now. He isn't John Lynch, he isn't Brian Dawkins etc. I don't know why Dallas hasn't tried moving him to another position or flat out trading him. I think the guy stinks.

WHOAAAAAAAA Steve Nash was not "very average" in Dallas.

2000-01- 48% FG 41% 3 pt shooter 16 PPG 7 APG
2001-02- 48% FG 46% 3 pt shooter 18 PPG 8 APG
2002-03- 47% FG 41% 3 pt shooter 17 PPG 7 APG
2003-04- 47% FG 41% 3 pt shooter 15 PPG 9 APG
That was not "very average"


here's the thing you need to understand, the Cowboys will be good with or without Roy, so it really doesn't matter. You think he's garbage and that's cool. Roy isn't a key player on our team anymore.

Anyway, do me a favor, when you can, have a look at this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BnmaD80GmKQ

you may see a horse collar or two...lol, but you'll also see some damn good hits (i'm sure you haven't seen any of these) because I know you don't watch the 'Boys, you just catch highlights or lowlights ;)


He shot over 50 percent every year in PHO and he averaged double digit assists... More importantly, how many games did his teams win?

[JoeJGibbs]

The only thing I never got -

Ok so Roy Williams can't cover - fine. He can stop the run and tackle magnificently. Why have they always tried to put a square peg into a round hole?

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Redskins will own those 2 under cover lovers yall have on your team. Uh, I cant wait!!

[CP]

here's the thing you need to understand, the Cowboys will be good with or without Roy, so it really doesn't matter. You think he's garbage and that's cool. Roy isn't a key player on our team anymore.

Anyway, do me a favor, when you can, have a look at this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BnmaD80GmKQ

you may see a horse collar or two...lol, but you'll also see some damn good hits (i'm sure you haven't seen any of these) because I know you don't watch the 'Boys, you just catch highlights or lowlights ;)


He shot over 50 percent every year in PHO and he averaged double digit assists... More importantly, how many games did his teams win?

Roy never was a key player on your team. And yes you will be a good team with or without him (the main reason I don't understand why they don't just trade him).

Why do you think I don't watch the boys? Because I think Roy Williams is azz? I am given them 6-7 times a year on prime time, and get them quite a few times in the 4 o clock game, so I watch them quite a bit every year.

I understand that he turned to great in Phoenix but he wasn't "very average" in Dallas.

[BK Arsonist]

The only thing I never got -

Ok so Roy Williams can't cover - fine. He can stop the run and tackle magnificently. Why have they always tried to put a square peg into a round hole?

Gibbs, this is why you are the man... this is all i'm saying... dude's lack of coverage skills were never an issue, because we never knew about his lack of ability due to the scheme.

[BK Arsonist]

Roy never was a key player on your team. And yes you will be a good team with or without him (the main reason I don't understand why they don't just trade him).

Why do you think I don't watch the boys? Because I think Roy Williams is azz? I am given them 6-7 times a year on prime time, and get them quite a few times in the 4 o clock game, so I watch them quite a bit every year.

I understand that he turned to great in Phoenix but he wasn't "very average" in Dallas.


You can't be serious saying stuff like that... He was arguably the best player on the defense.

[CP]

You can't be serious saying stuff like that... He was arguably the best player on the defense.

When? And who else were on these defenses?

[BK Arsonist]

Redskins will own those 2 under cover lovers yall have on your team. Uh, I cant wait!!


good luck with Eric LaSalle under center

[CP]

good luck with Eric LaSalle under center

I think Campbell will be a good quarterback, but part of me tells me it won't be with the Skins for whatever reason.

[JoeJGibbs]

good luck with Eric LaSalle under center

Hey hey hey he does nnnn..OK Fine he does look like "Soul Glow" Darryl from Coming to America.

:p I think he'll be good though.

Just let yo soulllll glowwwww
Just let it shine throughhhhhhhhhh
Just let yooo soullllll gloowwwwwwwwww
Oh its oh so silky smoooth!

[BK Arsonist]

When? And who else were on these defenses?

These were the Cowboys of 2002 -2003

99 Willie Blade, DE
93 Kenyon Coleman, DE
96 Ebenezer Ekuban, DE
98 Greg Ellis, DE
90 Eric Ogbogu, DE
92 Jermaine Brooks, DT
97 La'Roi Glover, DT
64 Daleroy Stewart, DT
50 Jamal Brooks, LB
52 Dexter Coakley, LB
56 Bradie James, LB
59 Dat Nguyen, LB
54 Keith O'Neil, LB
58 Scott Shanle, LB
51 Alshermond Singleton, LB
55 Markus Steele, LB
26 Andrew Davison, CB
27 Mario Edwards, CB
47 Pete Hunter, CB
25 Jemeel Powell, CB
41 Terence Newman, DB (rookie)
24 Tony Dixon, S
38 Lynn Scott, S
31 Roy Williams, S
28 Darren Woodson, S


The strength of the team was the back 7 and they had the #1 ranked D statistically in 2002-2003....

here's another little something:

Best Defensive Player: The Dallas defense has a nice collection of solid players, but if I had to nail down just one player as having the biggest impact, it would be Roy Williams.

[BK Arsonist]

Hey hey hey he does nnnn..OK Fine he does look like "Soul Glow" Darryl from Coming to America.

:p I think he'll be good though.

Just let yo soulllll glowwwww
Just let it shine throughhhhhhhhhh
Just let yooo soullllll gloowwwwwwwwww
Oh its oh so silky smoooth!


I don't think he's the answer, but i've been wrong before ;)

[Sgt.Slaughter]

I think Campbell will be a good quarterback, but part of me tells me it won't be with the Skins for whatever reason.

No, Campbell will be with the team they just need to stop signing slot receivers and trying to turn them into #2 receivers. If they can get a go to receiver opposite Santana Moss then he will be a better qb and he will stay.

[Sgt.Slaughter]

These were the Cowboys of 2002 -2003

99 Willie Blade, DE
93 Kenyon Coleman, DE
96 Ebenezer Ekuban, DE
98 Greg Ellis, DE
90 Eric Ogbogu, DE
92 Jermaine Brooks, DT
97 La'Roi Glover, DT
64 Daleroy Stewart, DT
50 Jamal Brooks, LB
52 Dexter Coakley, LB
56 Bradie James, LB
59 Dat Nguyen, LB
54 Keith O'Neil, LB
58 Scott Shanle, LB
51 Alshermond Singleton, LB
55 Markus Steele, LB
26 Andrew Davison, CB
27 Mario Edwards, CB
47 Pete Hunter, CB
25 Jemeel Powell, CB
41 Terence Newman, DB (rookie)
24 Tony Dixon, S
38 Lynn Scott, S
31 Roy Williams, S
28 Darren Woodson, S


The strength of the team was the back 7 and they had the #1 ranked D statistically in 2002-2003....

here's another little something:

Best Defensive Player: The Dallas defense has a nice collection of solid players, but if I had to nail down just one player as having the biggest impact, it would be Roy Williams.

#1 in what defensive category? All? i dnt remember t.newman being so productive his rookie yr. the other dbs sucked. the lb core was on point with Al Singleton and Dat Nguyen. The dline was overrated...but please let me know what categories they were ranked 1st in...

[Sgt.Slaughter]

So please tell me where the Cowboys ranked 1st???


Defensive Rankings/2002-2003


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Team Yards Rush Y/R Pass QB Sack 3rd% Poss. Pts.
1 TB 255.5 90.6 3.79 164.9 45.5 55 33.6 28:00 12.3
2 CAR 290.4 103.4 3.70 187.0 70.7 53 32.9 30:37 18.9
3 MIA 291.0 97.1 3.81 190.1 69.6 46 33.8 28:41 18.8
4 WAS 299.2 109.6 4.02 189.6 74.5 39 35.1 30:22 22.8
5 PHI 300.2 99.5 4.03 200.7 73.3 61 32.5 29:13 15.2
6 DEN 301.6 93.6 3.96 208.0 80.6 41 43.6 30:07 21.5
7 GB 311.4 128.8 4.79 182.6 67.3 43 34.9 28:42 20.9
8 IND 312.1 127.2 4.31 184.8 87.0 37 38.3 30:03 20.8
9 OAK 312.8 97.9 3.88 214.8 74.1 49 39.0 29:34 20.3
10 STL 314.1 113.5 4.08 200.6 84.6 38 36.0 29:18 23.1
11 TEN 314.6 87.8 3.86 226.8 83.0 41 37.3 27:06 22.0
12 PIT 317.3 84.7 3.61 232.6 75.8 54 45.4 28:37 22.9
13 NYG 317.4 112.9 4.50 204.4 72.9 41 37.0 27:03 18.7
14 BUF 323.3 128.8 4.37 194.5 84.0 31 36.9 29:18 24.8
15 HOU 326.8 130.5 4.11 196.3 80.1 35 35.5 31:45 22.3
16 DAL 328.6 113.4 3.77 215.2 74.5 25 37.4 32:18 20.6
17 CIN 329.1 125.4 4.04 203.7 98.4 25 41.7 31:03 28.5
18 SF 329.6 105.1 4.10 224.5 81.3 34 47.7 27:36 23.3
19 ATL 330.2 121.9 4.51 208.3 70.7 52 40.2 28:23 18.9
20 JAC 333.4 129.4 4.25 204.0 81.0 36 39.2 29:15 19.7
21 BAL 334.6 110.6 3.76 224.0 71.0 34 40.3 32:11 22.1
22 NYJ 335.4 118.8 4.54 216.6 80.3 32 43.3 30:26 20.3
23 NE 336.1 137.4 4.71 198.7 76.0 34 43.0 30:53 21.6
24 CLE 339.9 127.8 4.33 212.1 76.7 32 39.8 30:17 20.9
25 CHI 350.0 129.8 4.13 220.2 87.4 35 37.0 32:45 23.7
26 MIN 360.6 104.1 4.23 256.4 92.5 27 38.9 28:41 27.6
27 NO 362.3 124.4 4.53 237.8 78.2 39 39.0 31:26 24.3
28 SEA 365.8 152.4 4.87 213.3 74.3 27 46.5 31:41 23.1
29 ARI 376.3 134.2 4.41 242.1 89.3 21 42.5 31:41 26.1
30 SD 377.1 109.0 4.26 268.1 85.3 40 38.1 31:11 22.9
31 DET 382.6 122.9 3.98 259.6 91.9 34 45.1 34:45 28.2
32 KC 390.5 128.6 4.77 261.9 87.4 33 42.4 31:11 24.9







http://www.coachescorner.com/n_input/nnweb/scores/header_nfl_def_rank.htm

[BK Arsonist]

#1 in what defensive category? All? i dnt remember t.newman being so productive his rookie yr. the other dbs sucked. the lb core was on point with Al Singleton and Dat Nguyen. The dline was overrated...but please let me know what categories they were ranked 1st in...

Strengths: The Dallas Cowboys finished the year statistically as the No. 1 team in the league in yards allowed with 253.3 yards per game, and second in points allowed with 16.3 per game.

Newman was decent....

Nguyen was good... Coak was slipping..

I find it funny when guys question your knowledge of your team :D

wait, i had to look it up... 2003-2004.... one year off

The year they lost to the Panthers in the playoffs.

[BK Arsonist]

So please tell me where the Cowboys ranked 1st???


Defensive Rankings/2002-2003


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Team Yards Rush Y/R Pass QB Sack 3rd% Poss. Pts.
1 TB 255.5 90.6 3.79 164.9 45.5 55 33.6 28:00 12.3
2 CAR 290.4 103.4 3.70 187.0 70.7 53 32.9 30:37 18.9
3 MIA 291.0 97.1 3.81 190.1 69.6 46 33.8 28:41 18.8
4 WAS 299.2 109.6 4.02 189.6 74.5 39 35.1 30:22 22.8
5 PHI 300.2 99.5 4.03 200.7 73.3 61 32.5 29:13 15.2
6 DEN 301.6 93.6 3.96 208.0 80.6 41 43.6 30:07 21.5
7 GB 311.4 128.8 4.79 182.6 67.3 43 34.9 28:42 20.9
8 IND 312.1 127.2 4.31 184.8 87.0 37 38.3 30:03 20.8
9 OAK 312.8 97.9 3.88 214.8 74.1 49 39.0 29:34 20.3
10 STL 314.1 113.5 4.08 200.6 84.6 38 36.0 29:18 23.1
11 TEN 314.6 87.8 3.86 226.8 83.0 41 37.3 27:06 22.0
12 PIT 317.3 84.7 3.61 232.6 75.8 54 45.4 28:37 22.9
13 NYG 317.4 112.9 4.50 204.4 72.9 41 37.0 27:03 18.7
14 BUF 323.3 128.8 4.37 194.5 84.0 31 36.9 29:18 24.8
15 HOU 326.8 130.5 4.11 196.3 80.1 35 35.5 31:45 22.3
16 DAL 328.6 113.4 3.77 215.2 74.5 25 37.4 32:18 20.6
17 CIN 329.1 125.4 4.04 203.7 98.4 25 41.7 31:03 28.5
18 SF 329.6 105.1 4.10 224.5 81.3 34 47.7 27:36 23.3
19 ATL 330.2 121.9 4.51 208.3 70.7 52 40.2 28:23 18.9
20 JAC 333.4 129.4 4.25 204.0 81.0 36 39.2 29:15 19.7
21 BAL 334.6 110.6 3.76 224.0 71.0 34 40.3 32:11 22.1
22 NYJ 335.4 118.8 4.54 216.6 80.3 32 43.3 30:26 20.3
23 NE 336.1 137.4 4.71 198.7 76.0 34 43.0 30:53 21.6
24 CLE 339.9 127.8 4.33 212.1 76.7 32 39.8 30:17 20.9
25 CHI 350.0 129.8 4.13 220.2 87.4 35 37.0 32:45 23.7
26 MIN 360.6 104.1 4.23 256.4 92.5 27 38.9 28:41 27.6
27 NO 362.3 124.4 4.53 237.8 78.2 39 39.0 31:26 24.3
28 SEA 365.8 152.4 4.87 213.3 74.3 27 46.5 31:41 23.1
29 ARI 376.3 134.2 4.41 242.1 89.3 21 42.5 31:41 26.1
30 SD 377.1 109.0 4.26 268.1 85.3 40 38.1 31:11 22.9
31 DET 382.6 122.9 3.98 259.6 91.9 34 45.1 34:45 28.2
32 KC 390.5 128.6 4.77 261.9 87.4 33 42.4 31:11 24.9







http://www.coachescorner.com/n_input/nnweb/scores/header_nfl_def_rank.htm

lol... you can't talk football unless your team has a winning season ;)

[Sgt.Slaughter]

Strengths: The Dallas Cowboys finished the year statistically as the No. 1 team in the league in yards allowed with 253.3 yards per game, and second in points allowed with 16.3 per game.

Newman was decent....

Nguyen was good... Coak was slipping..

I find it funny when guys question your knowledge of your team :D

wait, i had to look it up... 2003-2004.... one year off

Ur the one throwing out 2002-2003 rosters and stats and saying that was d best defensive team and then say some crap about questioning the knowledge of ur team...makes no sense at all.

[BK Arsonist]

Ur the one throwing out 2002-2003 rosters and stats and saying that was d best defensive team and then say some crap about questioning the knowledge of ur team...makes no sense at all.

dude relax, i was a year off, so if you want to rip me up about that, so be it...

[Sgt.Slaughter]

lol... you can't talk football unless your team has a winning season ;)

Oh alright the Cowboys have been decent for a good 3 seasons and now nobody else can speak...thats funny because when Quincy Carter was shoveling crack and playing qb all the cowboy fans were still talking as if they were good.

[BK Arsonist]

Oh alright the Cowboys have been decent for a good 3 seasons and now nobody else can speak...thats funny because when Quincy Carter was shoveling crack and playing qb all the cowboy fans were still talking as if they were good.

the Cowboys suck!!! they haven't done shyt in my book... Until they win a Super Bowl, it means nothing to me. Quincy Carter???? lol who cares what he's doing, I couldn't stand him. What's your point??!?!?!


The Raiders haven't done anything significant since McElroy, Davis, Haynes, and Hayes were patrolling the defensive backfield.

[CP]

the Cowboys suck!!! they haven't done shyt in my book... Until they win a Super Bowl, it means nothing to me. Quincy Carter???? lol who cares what he's doing, I couldn't stand him. What's your point??!?!?!


The Raiders haven't done anything significant since McElroy, Davis, Haynes, and Hayes were patrolling the defensive backfield.

Didn't the Raiders make a SB in 2002 (and get robbed of an appearance in 01 because of the NFL)?

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good luck with Eric LaSalle under center


Good one, good thing is Jason will get 2 games to burn Roy Williams like everyone else does.

Roy can then blame it on Eric LaSalle Jerry curl juice. He then will be able to add one more excuse to his "I got burnt the other day" legend.

[BK Arsonist]

Didn't the Raiders make a SB in 2002 (and get robbed of an appearance in 01 because of the NFL)?


Making it and taking it up the duke chute doesn't count... it's about winning it all :D

[BK Arsonist]

Good one, good thing is Jason will get 2 games to burn Roy Williams like everyone else does.

Roy can then blame it on Eric LaSalle Jerry curl juice. He then will be able to add one more excuse to his "I got burnt the other day" legend.


lol... DeMarcus Ware will make sure Roy doesn't get beat ;)

[CP]

Good one, good thing is Jason will get 2 games to burn Roy Williams like everyone else does.

Roy can then blame it on Eric LaSalle Jerry curl juice. He then will be able to add one more excuse to his "I get burnt every day even by Kelly Rowland" legend.

Fixed that for ya PA.

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Fixed that for ya PA.

Poor ole beat up Roy and Kelly:D

[BK Arsonist]

No playoffs for the deadskins this year :(

[Sgt.Slaughter]

Didn't the Raiders make a SB in 2002 (and get robbed of an appearance in 01 because of the NFL)?

Thank You...And Tony Romo botched a snap that cost them a chance at glory.

[Sgt.Slaughter]

lol... DeMarcus Ware will make sure Roy doesn't get beat ;)


Really? this must be a fantasy league ur playing in...

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lol... DeMarcus Ware will make sure Roy doesn't get beat ;)

Didn't old and done Mark Brunell beat DeMarcus Ware with Santana in 05?

[Sgt.Slaughter]

Didn't old and done Mark Brunell beat DeMarcus Ware with Santana in 05?

Why yes he did good sir...and wasnt Roy Williams playing over the top on that play.

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Why yes he did good sir...and wasnt Roy Williams playing over the top on that play.

Why yes he did good sir...and wasn't Roy Williams just as sorry in 07 as he was in 05; playing over the top?:D

[ahr19]

Why yes he did good sir...and wasnt Roy Williams playing over the top on BOTH plays.

Fixed that for you.

I think Campbell will be the biggest beneficiary from Zorn's hire. The rest of the team will be a crap shoot but Campbell will improve.

[Sgt.Slaughter]

Why yes he did good sir...and wasn't Roy Williams just as sorry in 07 as he was in 05; playing over the top?:D

LMAO...Why yes good sir.

[JoeJGibbs]

In regards to that Game vs Cowboys where Roy Williams got beat --
I read an article right after the game that David Patten shared that play during the game and then they ran it. He said that they used to run it in New England.

[A Disciple]

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Where do I begin? Lets see...

Gav and NB, thank you for your VALUABLE contributions to the thread. **sigh** lol

Now to try to respond to some of this...


As for Roy...lol I was joking with my wife this weekend about how his jersey is basically buried in the back of my closet.... Roy has an obvious weakness, but it's the coaching staffs job to hide those weaknesses. Roy's first few years in the league, I think we all would agreed that he was one of the most feared safeties in the league. He was known for game changing hits (not the collar :p), but something happened.... (emphasis on WAS there Jip) I point at that Monday night game against the 'skins when it all seemed to come apart. Anyway, we have the corners to matchup with most teams, so put Roy in the box and let him play downhill. On passing situations, put him on a back or blitz him.
It was before Monday Night. He was alway a liability in coverage.

I don't see the problem with Phillips. He inherited a team that Parcels created that was decent and went 12-4 with them. TO is in line as long as he's getting the ball and how hard should it be to get your 6'3 200+ manchild million dollar WR the football. That team just tanked toward the end of the season and went into the playoffs like that. In fact, the Cowboys were negatively doing exactly what the Giants were doing positively at the time.

Cowboys are fine from where I stand.
I agree. Our last few games we sucked balls for the most part. Especially the playoff game against the NYG. :mad:

The offense is stacked and people will realize why we grabbed Felix instead of Rashard. Romo is the key obviously and I think his past playoff failures will fuel him. Defensively, I get an erection thinking about the talent they'll put on the field. Spencer is much improved and has been an animal in the OTA's, so if Ellis acts up, he'll be shipped to Miami for CP's favorite player (Jason Taylor)... lol The secondary will be strong and the pass rush can only make them better. Jenkins will be ready to contribute right away (another guy shining in the OTA's). Overall, I don't see them going 13-3 again... maybe 11-5, but hopefully they've learned a thing or two...


I notice the Eagles trolls can never talk football :D
my my my, so true...


Much respect as usual to the 'skins backers
Any truth behind the Ellis for JT rumor??

lol... OK CP, I give up with you....

Forget what his teammates and peers around the league say, CP is the football authority...

Here's a little something from this ok DB that played for the Cowboys -

Said Woodson: "When I played, there was no way I was going to let Roy go out there and cover. No way Zimmer was going to allow it, either."

Woodson covered. Roy blew up receivers. Woodson made checkdowns. Roy blew up receivers.

"Roy does his best coming downhill. I've never seen a better big-time game-changer in my entire career," Woodson said. "If he concentrates and focuses, and accepts the challenge, he can cover."



I still luv ya man :D
Lets be real, Roy can't cover, is no longer known as a hitter, and is often taking bad angles on runners.

The only thing I never got -

Ok so Roy Williams can't cover - fine. He can stop the run and tackle magnificently. Why have they always tried to put a square peg into a round hole?
I wouldn't be opposed to moving him from Safety and making him an OLB in pass rush situations.

You can't be serious saying stuff like that... He was arguably the best player on the defense.
????????????????????????

No way you serious on this.

These were the Cowboys of 2002 -2003

99 Willie Blade, DE
93 Kenyon Coleman, DE
96 Ebenezer Ekuban, DE
98 Greg Ellis, DE
90 Eric Ogbogu, DE
92 Jermaine Brooks, DT
97 La'Roi Glover, DT
64 Daleroy Stewart, DT
50 Jamal Brooks, LB
52 Dexter Coakley, LB
56 Bradie James, LB
59 Dat Nguyen, LB
54 Keith O'Neil, LB
58 Scott Shanle, LB
51 Alshermond Singleton, LB
55 Markus Steele, LB
26 Andrew Davison, CB
27 Mario Edwards, CB
47 Pete Hunter, CB
25 Jemeel Powell, CB
41 Terence Newman, DB (rookie)
24 Tony Dixon, S
38 Lynn Scott, S
31 Roy Williams, S
28 Darren Woodson, S


The strength of the team was the back 7 and they had the #1 ranked D statistically in 2002-2003....

here's another little something:

Best Defensive Player: The Dallas defense has a nice collection of solid players, but if I had to nail down just one player as having the biggest impact, it would be Roy Williams.
I bolded the players that were easily more important than Roy. And you can argue Coakley as well.

Oh alright the Cowboys have been decent for a good 3 seasons and now nobody else can speak...thats funny because when Quincy Carter was shoveling crack and playing qb all the cowboy fans were still talking as if they were good.
uhhhhh, they were. :confused:

Didn't the Raiders make a SB in 2002 (and get robbed of an appearance in 01 because of the NFL)?
lol, true, but the Raiders are to the NFL as the Knicks are to the NBA right now.

Good one, good thing is Jason will get 2 games to burn Roy Williams like everyone else does.

Roy can then blame it on Eric LaSalle Jerry curl juice. He then will be able to add one more excuse to his "I got burnt the other day" legend.
Whoopty doo if he burns Roy for 2 games. When is the last time the Skins did anything significant? 1st round playoff lost last season is NOT significant.

Didn't old and done Mark Brunell beat DeMarcus Ware with Santana in 05?
and???? So what. What does that mean? What did they do that season? What did they do the next season??? In fact, anything since the days of Mark Rypen??? lol

[CP]

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Where do I begin? Lets see...

Gav and NB, thank you for your VALUABLE contributions to the thread. **sigh** lol

Now to try to respond to some of this...


It was before Monday Night. He was alway a liability in coverage.

I agree. Our last few games we sucked balls for the most part. Especially the playoff game against the NYG. :mad:

Any truth behind the Ellis for JT rumor??

Lets be real, Roy can't cover, is no longer known as a hitter, and is often taking bad angles on runners.

I wouldn't be opposed to moving him from Safety and making him an OLB in pass rush situations.

????????????????????????

No way you serious on this.

I bolded the players that were easily more important than Roy. And you can argue Coakley as well.

uhhhhh, they were. :confused:

lol, true, but the Raiders are to the NFL as the Knicks are to the NBA right now.

Whoopty doo if he burns Roy for 2 games. When is the last time the Skins did anything significant? 1st round playoff lost last season is NOT significant.

and???? So what. What does that mean? What did they do that season? What did they do the next season??? In fact, anything since the days of Mark Rypen??? lol

lol when was the last time the Cowboys did anything of any significance? They haven't won a playoff game in 13 years :p

[A Disciple]

lol when was the last time the Cowboys did anything of any significance? They haven't won a playoff game in 13 years :p
.................

[BK Arsonist]

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Where do I begin? Lets see...

Gav and NB, thank you for your VALUABLE contributions to the thread. **sigh** lol

Now to try to respond to some of this...


It was before Monday Night. He was alway a liability in coverage.

I agree. Our last few games we sucked balls for the most part. Especially the playoff game against the NYG. :mad:

Any truth behind the Ellis for JT rumor??

Lets be real, Roy can't cover, is no longer known as a hitter, and is often taking bad angles on runners.

I wouldn't be opposed to moving him from Safety and making him an OLB in pass rush situations.

????????????????????????

No way you serious on this.

I bolded the players that were easily more important than Roy. And you can argue Coakley as well.

uhhhhh, they were. :confused:

lol, true, but the Raiders are to the NFL as the Knicks are to the NBA right now.

Whoopty doo if he burns Roy for 2 games. When is the last time the Skins did anything significant? 1st round playoff lost last season is NOT significant.

and???? So what. What does that mean? What did they do that season? What did they do the next season??? In fact, anything since the days of Mark Rypen??? lol


Disciple,

Maybe you don't remember that season, but the back 7 was the strength of the defense... The line generated no pressure at all...

In 2002 Roy was 2nd on the team in tackles (Coakley)

In 2003 he was tied for 4th (Ngyuen, Coakley, Woodson) Tied with Newman

In 2004 he was 2nd (Ngyuen)

In two out of three season he was the 2nd leading tackler; how can you possibly say he wasn't important?

Darren Woodson touched on Roy's role in the defenense and explained the positive impact he had on the field and I think he may have played with Roy at some point. So basically Darren doesn't know what he's talking about?


Now, I'm not defending Roy's decline and I really don't care what happens with him from here on out, but earlier in his career, he wasn't a liability because the scheme protected him from being exposed.

[BK Arsonist]

BTW, was I the only Cowboys fan that was bothered by T.O.'s comment "I'm a Cowboy for life"

I almost fell out of my chair :eek:

[Warbuck$]

BTW, was I the only Cowboys fan that was bothered by T.O.'s comment "I'm a Cowboy for life"

I almost fell out of my chair :eek:

That whole scene was vomit inducing. From the popcorn to lizard face reminiscing about when he bought the team.

On a football note though, this should be a good year in the NFC East. While Dallas is the better team in the division, I think all four teams (Redskins being on the bottom end) are pretty evenly matched. My football pants are getting all excited.

[sanantonio]

That whole scene was vomit inducing. From the popcorn to lizard face reminiscing about when he bought the team.

On a football note though, this should be a good year in the NFC East. While Dallas is the better team in the division, I think all four teams (Redskins being on the bottom end) are pretty evenly matched. My football pants are getting all excited.

Ain't no sense in me lieing I walk around with a tent in my pants thinking about our chances for the up coming season :D.

[BK Arsonist]

That whole scene was vomit inducing. From the popcorn to lizard face reminiscing about when he bought the team.

On a football note though, this should be a good year in the NFC East. While Dallas is the better team in the division, I think all four teams (Redskins being on the bottom end) are pretty evenly matched. My football pants are getting all excited.

I can understand your sour grapes, because T.O. basically ripped the Eagles apart himself....lol

Jerry Jones is great for the league :D

[Warbuck$]

Ain't no sense in me lieing I walk around with a tent in my pants thinking about our chances for the up coming season :D.
I bet you were feeling that way last season too.

[BK Arsonist]

I bet you were feeling that way last season too.

I knew the party would end early last season because we were a flawed team. This season, we can ......... :D

[sanantonio]

BTW, was I the only Cowboys fan that was bothered by T.O.'s comment "I'm a Cowboy for life"

I almost fell out of my chair :eek:


No not really because the Boys as quiet as it's kept has a really good support system. Calvin Hill who runs player relations and has Jerry Jones ear pretty much take players that are fringe character wise and put them under their wing. Remember all of Michaels troubles as a Cowboy guess who was there every time....Jerry Jones. They have done the same for TO and made him feel wanted. Then there is the unofficial support system outside the Cowboy organization of Irvin, Dieon, and their pastor. They are part of the reason TO is happy to be a Cowboy because they have no ulterior motives outside of you being the best you can be for the organization. Now Pacman is a part of this group and so far it is working out well. So I wasn't surprised to hear that from TO.

[sanantonio]

I bet you were feeling that way last season too.

Naw it was only a partial ED if you will :o.

[BK Arsonist]

If this team doesn't get much better on defense, it'll be another disappointing year.

Philadelphia and Washington shouldn't win a game against Dallas this year. I only see us losing @ NYG within the division.

[Warbuck$]

I knew the party would end early last season because we were a flawed team. This season, we can ......... :D

What's the difference? One possibly effective cb that may or may not play? Cowboys were a solid, solid team last year that choked in the playoffs (again). And as an Eagles fan, let me tell you......it's near impossible for the choke factor to go away.

The '08 Cowboys aren't that much different than the '07 Cowboys.

[BK Arsonist]

What's the difference? One possibly effective cb that may or may not play? Cowboys were a solid, solid team last year that choked in the playoffs (again). And as an Eagles fan, let me tell you......it's near impossible for the choke factor to go away.

The '08 Cowboys aren't that much different than the '07 Cowboys.

lol... You Philly fans are amazing... Yeah, this Cowboys team is the same as last year.

[Warbuck$]

lol... You Philly fans are amazing... Yeah, this Cowboys team is the same as last year.

Then explain what's different.

Julius Jones gone. Replaced with Felix Jones.
Barber bumped to the starting spot.
Glenn is not playing (yet) just like last year.
Owens is a year older.
Pacman Jones might play and might make a difference.
Roy Williams still sucks.
Offensive line is still the same.
Spencer might play better but Ellis played well last year so I doubt he'll out-do what Ellis did.

What am I missing? Romo take some anti-choke classes in the off-season?

[JoeJGibbs]

All I know is when the Eagles had the happy version of T.O., the games were over in the 2nd qtr. I'm glad he's gone. If he had stayed I'll go out on a limb and say the Eagles would've won a superbowl.l

[BK Arsonist]

All I know is when the Eagles had the happy version of T.O., the games were over in the 2nd qtr. I'm glad he's gone. If he had stayed I'll go out on a limb and say the Eagles would've won a superbowl.l

Never!!!!! lol The Eagles will never win a SuperBowl

BTW, the Eagles D was much better than the Cowboys defense and that's why Philly put teams away

[BK Arsonist]

Then explain what's different.

Julius Jones gone. Replaced with Felix Jones.
Barber bumped to the starting spot.
Glenn is not playing (yet) just like last year.
Owens is a year older.
Pacman Jones might play and might make a difference.
Roy Williams still sucks.
Offensive line is still the same.
Spencer might play better but Ellis played well last year so I doubt he'll out-do what Ellis did.

What am I missing? Romo take some anti-choke classes in the off-season?

I guess you're just like Warbucks, so no need in me getting into this with you ;)

[Warbuck$]

I guess you're just like Warbucks, so no need in me getting into this with you ;)

I am Warbucks. I really am curious though. I just don't see a big difference.

[BK Arsonist]

I am Warbucks. I really am curious though. I just don't see a big difference.


Warbucks,

that's cool and I respect your opinion.

[BK Arsonist]

- Another year to get comfortable with the new offensive and defensive schemes.

- Another year together for the offensive line.

- Tank Johnson in training camp.

- Marion Barber Starting.

- Tony Romo with much room to improve.

- Anthony Spencer with another year under his belt after moving to a new position.

- Maybe Zach Thomas can teach the youngsters a few things.

- Marion Barber starting.

- Felix Jones' versatility - special teams

- Jenkins and Pacman are upgrades of Jones and Reeves.

- DeMarcus Ware will continue to get better.

- Ditto for Jay Ratliff.

[Warbuck$]

- Another year to get comfortable with the new offensive and defensive schemes.

- Another year together for the offensive line.

- Tank Johnson in training camp.

- Marion Barber Starting.

- Tony Romo with much room to improve.

- Anthony Spencer with another year under his belt after moving to a new position.

- Maybe Zach Thomas can teach the youngsters a few things.

- Marion Barber starting.

- Felix Jones' versatility - special teams

- Jenkins and Pacman are upgrades of Jones and Reeves.

- DeMarcus Ware will continue to get better.

- Ditto for Jay Ratliff.

Ok, points taken but there are alot of if's that coincide with said points. But I can see how the positive thinker can see how they improved.

[BK Arsonist]

Ok, points taken but there are alot of if's that coincide with said points. But I can see how the positive thinker can see how they improved.


dude,

I fully expect every team in the NFC East to be better next year.

On the strength of Campbell continuing to improve, the skins should be better.

Philly still plays D and they still have McNabb and Westbrook, so they'll be right there as well.

The Giants are the world champions, nuff said!


I'm not blinded by my teams star, it doesn't hurt me to say the 'Skins will be improved or "watch out for Philly", or NY is the best team in the league. You saying that about the 'Boys is just funny. Now, I don't think the Cowboys will equal last years record, but I think they'll have more success (health permitting).

[sanantonio]

dude,

I fully expect every team in the NFC East to be better next year.

On the strength of Campbell continuing to improve, the skins should be better.

Philly still plays D and they still have McNabb and Westbrook, so they'll be right there as well.

The Giants are the world champions, nuff said!


I'm not blinded by my teams star, it doesn't hurt me to say the 'Skins will be improved or "watch out for Philly", or NY is the best team in the league. You saying that about the 'Boys is just funny. Now, I don't think the Cowboys will equal last years record, but I think they'll have more success (health permitting).

BLASPHEMY!!!! If you weren't my boy I would bring you up on charges but we'll let it slide this time :D.

[sanantonio]

- Another year to get comfortable with the new offensive and defensive schemes.

- Another year together for the offensive line.

- Tank Johnson in training camp.

- Marion Barber Starting.

- Tony Romo with much room to improve.

- Anthony Spencer with another year under his belt after moving to a new position.

- Maybe Zach Thomas can teach the youngsters a few things.

- Marion Barber starting.

- Felix Jones' versatility - special teams

- Jenkins and Pacman are upgrades of Jones and Reeves.

- DeMarcus Ware will continue to get better.

- Ditto for Jay Ratliff.


Lets not forget the addition of Campo returning as the secondary coach.

[Warbuck$]

You saying that about the 'Boys is just funny.
Let me put it this way....Dallas has done nothing that makes me say "man, they're going to be much better than last year." Nothing that says "man, if they had this guy last year, they would've beat the Giants." Mostly because they should've beat the Giants and probably should've been in the superbowl. I'm not saying they're identical. Just nothing that makes me think they're significantly better. Then again, I don't think Philly has done much either regardless of the Samuel signing. You always have hope there will be progression. And trust me, it's not because they're the Cowboys. I can dish it out and I can take it. I'm objective 99% of the time with sports.
Anyway, I've said my piece. Agree to disagree like always.:)

[BK Arsonist]

In the 3-4 you must have versatile players who can do a lot. Lineman have to be bigger, linebackers have to be stronger at the point of attack being the line of scrimmage. Speed is always a factor in this game so that goes without saying. Your D-line has to be bigger in order to play off double teams and a hair faster than usual due to the amount of space they have to cover. Linebackers' being bigger allows them to be able to deliver a blow and shock uncovered lineman as they come off of a double team. A faster personnel allows the entire defense to be in position to attack ball carriers on every play.

The biggest key to the 3-4 is PENETRATION. Your nose guard has to play like his hair is on fire every down of every game or else you lose. As most things that work from the inside out without a solid foundation (nose) you are in hot water. The nose is asked to do two things predominately. One take up two blockers and two make the ball carrier commit before he wants to. Here is a good rule of thumb for good nose play. If he doesn't take up two blockers he has to make the play. Why? The nose gets double teamed every play period. If he lets either guard or the center straight up to the second level its imperative that he makes the play. An offenses goal on a running play is to cut off the defense and let the running back find the hole. Cut off meaning stop the flow of the defense or change pursuit angles. So if a guard or the center gets to the second level cutting off the backside linebacker trouble is soon to follow. If you guys are having a hard time following me I will try to do a video blog to help you understand.

When the defense gets cuts off this also means a safety has to make a one on one tackle or slow do the ball carrier to allow pursuit to arrive. Having a safety that can make a one on one tackle (one of the hardest things to do in football) in the open field is rarity, this is what makes Roy so good. Roy plays exceptionally well in the box with a 3-4 this creates 5-3 vs the run. With a 5-3 look someone inside the box cannot be accounted for. The person they cannot account for is most of the time is the safety. Also with a safety coming down into the box, everyone must be on the same page as far as where we want the ball to go. Do we want the ball to go inside, outside are we trying to stop the play in the backfield or do we just want them to punt the football?

What you readers and fans don't get enough of is real insight. Ron Jaworski (Jaws) and Merrill Hodge do an exceptional job at breaking down film and giving fans facts. Some of these other Clowns don't know left from RIGHT.
Workout Warriors

Strongest: Dre, Flow, Tank, Burger, LD
All of which can handle 500+ on the bench easy.
Fastest: T-New, Ball, Glenn, 81
Can flat out run sub 4.4 any day of the week.

Rookies

F. Jones will be a nice change of pace, has nice wiggle through the line and after the catch. Should give average backers hard times in coverage.

Jenkins probably the most game ready of the group, great cover skills has to learn some of the trick of the trade but will be a very good player.

T. Choice will also make his presence felt carrying the ball, should get a chance to show what he can do on special teams.

[A Disciple]

Some good football talk here. I'm lovin it.


Disciple,

Maybe you don't remember that season, but the back 7 was the strength of the defense... The line generated no pressure at all...

In 2002 Roy was 2nd on the team in tackles (Coakley)

In 2003 he was tied for 4th (Ngyuen, Coakley, Woodson) Tied with Newman

In 2004 he was 2nd (Ngyuen)

In two out of three season he was the 2nd leading tackler; how can you possibly say he wasn't important?

Darren Woodson touched on Roy's role in the defenense and explained the positive impact he had on the field and I think he may have played with Roy at some point. So basically Darren doesn't know what he's talking about?


Now, I'm not defending Roy's decline and I really don't care what happens with him from here on out, but earlier in his career, he wasn't a liability because the scheme protected him from being exposed.
Never said that he was unimportant. You said he was the MOST important. I disagree.

That whole scene was vomit inducing. From the popcorn to lizard face reminiscing about when he bought the team.

On a football note though, this should be a good year in the NFC East. While Dallas is the better team in the division, I think all four teams (Redskins being on the bottom end) are pretty evenly matched. My football pants are getting all excited.
I severly disagree. The Skins got a lot better in the draft, but I think it will be a few seasons before they see the true results. The NYG are about the same (which is still SB champs, but we all know they weren't really the best team) and the Eagles, well.... were last in the division and didn't get a whole lot better either. I think Deshean will be nice, but not enough IMO.

If this team doesn't get much better on defense, it'll be another disappointing year.

Philadelphia and Washington shouldn't win a game against Dallas this year. I only see us losing @ NYG within the division.
To be honest, we shouldn't lose a single game to any of them. We are better across the board (except DL of NYG and possibly WRs of Skins. Depends on the rooks)

What's the difference? One possibly effective cb that may or may not play? Cowboys were a solid, solid team last year that choked in the playoffs (again). And as an Eagles fan, let me tell you......it's near impossible for the choke factor to go away.

The '08 Cowboys aren't that much different than the '07 Cowboys.
I was gonna list them, but Jip got them most.

- Another year to get comfortable with the new offensive and defensive schemes.

- Another year together for the offensive line.

- Tank Johnson in training camp.

- Marion Barber Starting.

- Tony Romo with much room to improve.

- Anthony Spencer with another year under his belt after moving to a new position.

- Maybe Zach Thomas can teach the youngsters a few things.

- Marion Barber starting.

- Felix Jones' versatility - special teams

- Jenkins and Pacman are upgrades of Jones and Reeves.

- DeMarcus Ware will continue to get better.

- Ditto for Jay Ratliff.
That name makes me cringe to this day.

[Dawknest20]

That name makes me cringe to this day.

LMAO.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2007/11/22/2004030163.jpg

Im sad to see him leave the East :(

[A Disciple]

LMAO.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2007/11/22/2004030163.jpg

Im sad to see him leave the East :(
lol, that dude was a member of the Fantastic Four. lol

Yes, the Human TORCHED!!!! lol

[BK Arsonist]

lol, that dude was a member of the Fantastic Four. lol

Yes, the Human TORCHED!!!! lol

The funny thing about Reeves is all of the coaches said he has terrific skills and he started playing better... when? where? in practice?

I remember Reeves in chase mode against Wes Welker when we played the Pats... and I kept thinking, will someone just shoot him and get it over with.

[sanantonio]

The funny thing about Reeves is all of the coaches said he has terrific skills and he started playing better... when? where? in practice?

I remember Reeves in chase mode against Wes Welker when we played the Pats... and I kept thinking, will someone just shoot him and get it over with.

The Texans are going to be pizzed lol.

[JoeJGibbs]

Never!!!!! lol The Eagles will never win a SuperBowl

BTW, the Eagles D was much better than the Cowboys defense and that's why Philly put teams away

No way man. The Eagles have ALWAYS had a good defense no matter the coach. Their offense was just ok. Enter T.O. and the game over at halftime. Their offense was unstoppable.

The offenses ability to put up so many points so quick and so early it allowed Jim Johnson's defense to just pin the ears back and blitz. Every team was primarily trying to pass on them because they were so far down, so late in the game.

The defensive roster pre T.O. was the same minus Kearse. Both sides of the ball benefited enormously from #81 being there.

[BK Arsonist]

Good News:

Over the last two years, Anthony Henry has heard talk about him moving to safety. He said that talk has died down some this year, but he that doesn't mean he's playing only outside at cornerback.

He has spent the last few days working inside in the dime package, defending Jason Witten.

With NFC East rivals New York (Jeremy Shockey), Washington (Chris Cooley) and Philadelphia (L.J. Smith) having productive tight ends, the Cowboys want to bolster their coverage.

"They said what they want me to do is when we play like Washington or the Giants to go against their Pro Bowl tight ends," Henry said "I can do a better job covering those guys. It's like a package."

Henry said he would be OK with a move to safety, but hopes a decision can be made sooner rather than later so he can spend time learning the spot before getting to Oxnard, Calif., for training camp.


Pacman:

Pacman said it felt good to be back on the field and that he was just trying to learn the defense. He’s been waiting a year for this day and it was a relief. There were some questions about his past and what he’s learned but Pac didn’t really want to get into that. He did say that he’s learn to pick and choose his friends and places to go, he has no doubts that he will do everything right and not get into trouble, and after that it’s all in the commissioner’s hands. He was asked about his skills getting rusty and he said he’s got room to improve but that he’s been working out and that sometimes even at home he finds himself at home working on his breaks.

He’s been working out with Prime Time for the last month and has been practicing his route trees, his back pedal and being patient in his breaks. He also said that he’s been doing something called "the snake" in a sand pit at Deion’s place but didn’t tell us exactly what that was but said none of the reporter’s could do it. Asked about which teammates have talked to him about being a Cowboy and doing the right thing, he mentioned Jason (I assume Witten) and then said a lot of the vets have talked to him and that he’s taking it as constructive and not as criticism. When asked directly the best piece of advice he got, he singled out Jerry Jones (smart kid, always go with the guy who signs the checks) and said he told him you’re in a great situation now and to just do what’s expected on the field and implied to stay out of trouble with the other junk.





Wade Phillips on Pacman:

Wade said Pac is in good shape and the he’s had an INT everyday he’s been at practice. (Granted, that’s only two days). Wade’s been working him on kickoff returns, punt returns and on defense. He seemed very impressed with Pacman’s natural instincts and talent, also noting that he sees the ball very well even when he’s locked up in a man-to-man coverage. Wade complimented Pac’s work ethic and passion. In a more specific question, Wade said that Pacman has been taking reps in the nickel defense, especially when they are playing man-to-man. He then noted again that Pacman has a knack for INT’s.

[BK Arsonist]

No way man. The Eagles have ALWAYS had a good defense no matter the coach. Their offense was just ok. Enter T.O. and the game over at halftime. Their offense was unstoppable.

The offenses ability to put up so many points so quick and so early it allowed Jim Johnson's defense to just pin the ears back and blitz. Every team was primarily trying to pass on them because they were so far down, so late in the game.

The defensive roster pre T.O. was the same minus Kearse. Both sides of the ball benefited enormously from #81 being there.

It went both ways... Many times, the Eagles D gave their O great field position...

[JoeJGibbs]

It went both ways... Many times, the Eagles D gave their O great field position...

I don't know about that. McNabb had his best year to date. Field position was never an issue with that offense; and they were ranked #1 or #2 (I forget.) So it wasn't like the defense was providing them with short fields.
Eagles defense has always been bend - don't break d. They won't give up many points but you could move the ball.

I compare it moreas the 3 years they went to the NFC Championship (No T.O.) vs the 1 year they went to the Superbowl (With T.O.). It's not even close. T.O. caused a gigantic chain reaction in the way the offense and defense were rewarded.

[Play Action]

I am sure am glad you (whoever you are) decided to respond to 'this.'



Whoopty doo if he burns Roy for 2 games. When is the last time the Skins did anything significant? 1st round playoff lost last season is NOT significant.

First off, it was a big 'Whoopty doo, because the World knew Roy Williams suched in coverage, but know one knew he sucked that damn much. Santana and noodle arm Brunell, caught him with his drawls down. You musta fa got LOL!!
Everytime Newman get beat he act like his damn feet hurt.:confused:


and???? So what. What does that mean? What did they do that season? What did they do the next season??? In fact, anything since the days of Mark Rypen??? lol

And??? I think we went to the playoffs that year. You remember, the year Dallas played that Sunday night game on ESPN for no reason. The night we beat Philly.

We have been to the playoffs and have lost, but the question you should be asking as a fan, is what has Dallas done since 95?? I'll tell ya. They went to the playoffs last year and had home field advantage and got whopped by the Giants. We whopped both of you guys one after the other and dominated. We shot our wad in seattle though......

You can sit at your computer and pretend that I dont know what I am talking about, but the research is there, like the air we breathe.

[BK Arsonist]

I am sure am glad you (whoever you are) decided to respond to 'this.'



First off, it was a big 'Whoopty doo, because the World knew Roy Williams suched in coverage, but know one knew he sucked that damn much. Santana and noodle arm Brunell, caught him with his drawls down. You musta fa got LOL!!
Everytime Newman get beat he act like his damn feet hurt.:confused:

yes, we remember the Monday night when the Cowboys were torched for two late touchdowns while sitting in a ZONE defense. Newman getting beat? You can't tell me the last time he was beaten for a score.



We have been to the playoffs and have lost, but the question you should be asking as a fan, is what has Dallas done since 95?? I'll tell ya. They went to the playoffs last year and had home field advantage and got whopped by the Giants. We whopped both of you guys one after the other and dominated. We shot our wad in seattle though......:

Neither team has done anything as of late... You guys beat us in a game that meant absolutely nothing to us and everything to your team, so why even bring that up? Trust me, the Redskins will bring up the rear in the NFC East.

[BK Arsonist]

I don't know about that. McNabb had his best year to date. Field position was never an issue with that offense; and they were ranked #1 or #2 (I forget.) So it wasn't like the defense was providing them with short fields.
Eagles defense has always been bend - don't break d. They won't give up many points but you could move the ball.

I compare it moreas the 3 years they went to the NFC Championship (No T.O.) vs the 1 year they went to the Superbowl (With T.O.). It's not even close. T.O. caused a gigantic chain reaction in the way the offense and defense were rewarded.


No question McNabb had his best year and the offense scored more, but the defense was the one constant throughout the Eagles run. Remember, T.O. didn't finish the season and the team still won because of the DEFENSE.

[A Disciple]

I am sure am glad you (whoever you are) decided to respond to 'this.'
Whatever this is supposed to mean. :rolleyes:


First off, it was a big 'Whoopty doo, because the World knew Roy Williams suched in coverage, but know one knew he sucked that damn much. Santana and noodle arm Brunell, caught him with his drawls down. You musta fa got LOL!! Again, whoopty frickin doo. So what? Like you said, the world knew he sucked in coverage. It was nothing new. I didn't forgot, it was just NOTHING SPECIAL.
Everytime Newman get beat he act like his damn feet hurt.:confused:
I sincerely hope this is a joke. 1, that was Glenn on that Monday Night, and 2 Newman has some ridiculous stat of not giving up any TD's in quite a longgggggggggggggg arse time. I can't remember the exact stat off hand.


And??? I think we went to the playoffs that year. You remember, the year Dallas played that Sunday night game on ESPN for no reason. The night we beat Philly.

We have been to the playoffs and have lost, but the question you should be asking as a fan, is what has Dallas done since 95?? I'll tell ya. They went to the playoffs last year and had home field advantage and got whopped by the Giants. We whopped both of you guys one after the other and dominated. We shot our wad in seattle though......

You can sit at your computer and pretend that I dont know what I am talking about, but the research is there, like the air we breathe.
I don't have to pretend. The proof is in the pudding. (yes, I can type random dumb catch phrases that prove nothing as well.) The Skins are nothing to write home about. What have you done lately??? When's the last time you were in the SB? You talkin crap bout 95, like you guys have done something since then.

"I think we went to the playoffs that year." You think? lol. So what did ya do? Early exit??? Who give's a crap? This is the NFC East. We set a standard by winning SBs. PERIOD. (unless you are the Eagles :p) Who cares about a 1st round loss in the playoffs? I sure as crap don't. Who cares about a Monday Night game 3 seasons ago? Only Skins nut huggers who want to hang onto 2 highlights from a QB and CB that aren't even in the league anymore. :rolleyes:

You don't see Pittsburg fans bringing up the Lynn Swann catch on here. You don't hear 9ers fans talking about Dwight Clark on here. I wonder why? lol, that crap is ollllllllllllllllllllddddddddddddddddddddddd.

Get a highlight THIS season. lol. Living off the highlight of beating a poor defender 3 seasons ago is so laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmeeeeee.

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You dont set standards by winning Superbowls, you acheive goals by winning Superbowls.

What has Dallas done since 95 other than being in the news, giving the world all sorts of angles on why we keep losing??

The drama is the only thing being accomplished. Jessica, Romo and TO. I like that reality show; Its my favorite.

You tell me what you done since and I will share more of what we have done. You digg??

[GAV]

Its quite simple - Jessica Simpson throws the Cowboys off their game because they don't like girls.

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Its quite simple - Jessica Simpson throws the Cowboys off their game because they don't like girls.

I was thinking the same thing. TO doing all that crying and Romo using Jessica as a front. They probally brush each others hair.:o

[Sgt.Slaughter]

Its quite simple - Jessica Simpson throws the Cowboys off their game because they don't like girls.

So are you saying that Roy Williams is a horrible safety because he is homosexual?

[JoeJGibbs]

No question McNabb had his best year and the offense scored more, but the defense was the one constant throughout the Eagles run. Remember, T.O. didn't finish the season and the team still won because of the DEFENSE.

Yea that's true to. But when T.O. was gone, they went back to playing like they did. When T.O. was there it was like a Tyson fight.

By the way - It wasn't Terrance Newman that got beat. It was Aaron Glenn.

[GAV]

So are you saying that Roy Williams is a horrible safety because he is homosexual?
No. I'm saying that wearing the Dallas Star, that badge of shame, is a loud and open proclamation of homosexuality.

[A Disciple]

You dont set standards by winning Superbowls, you acheive goals by winning Superbowls.

What has Dallas done since 95 other than being in the news, giving the world all sorts of angles on why we keep losing??

The drama is the only thing being accomplished. Jessica, Romo and TO. I like that reality show; Its my favorite.

You tell me what you done since and I will share more of what we have done. You digg??
No I don't dig. What have ya done? You asking me what have we done since 95, what have ya done since 85? lol

I started this thread to have some actual FOOTBALL talk and of course a few randoms have to come through spewing nonsense. lol

Yea that's true to. But when T.O. was gone, they went back to playing like they did. When T.O. was there it was like a Tyson fight.

By the way - It wasn't Terrance Newman that got beat. It was Aaron Glenn.
I'm glad that there are a few Redskins fans that actually know what they are talking about. lol

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No I don't dig. What have ya done? You asking me what have we done since 95, what have ya done since 85? lol

I started this thread to have some actual FOOTBALL talk and of course a few randoms have to come through spewing nonsense. lol

I'm glad that there are a few Redskins fans that actually know what they are talking about. lol

Since 85? lol??:confused:

Now that is funny, especially since search tools (Google...etc) are so rampant on the Internet.

I appreciate you briefing me one what Dallas has done since 95. I learned a lot of stuff that I didn't know before. Once again thanks:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[SuPeRfLyKiD]

So are you saying that Roy Williams is a horrible safety because he is homosexual?
Considering the guy married the wrong Destiny's Child, yes.

Beyonce or Kelly Rowland? Hmmmm :eek:

[sanantonio]

Considering the guy married the wrong Destiny's Child, yes.

Beyonce or Kelly Rowland? Hmmmm :eek:

They never got married siteing they were too young so he may be gay either way I don't want him in my secondary :cool:.

[BK Arsonist]

When thinking about the Dallas Cowboys and the season they had in 2007, a few conflicting words come to mind: incredible, disappointing, record setting, untapped potential, you get the idea. Last season was filled with incredible highs that ended with a resounding thud in the playoffs. A lot of fans and media look back at the 2007 season and point to one area that needed major improvement in order to contend for the Super Bowl in 2008; the pass defense. While Tony Romo, Marion Barber and Terrell Owens were busy setting franchise records and putting together the number two ranked offense in the league, the defense was seemingly coming up short all year long.
As I think back to last year's campaign, one thing really sticks out that bothered me endlessly throughout the season. Every single week we had to listen to various experts around the country lambaste the Cowboys' pass defense and how it would hold the team back. And while I wouldn't want to admit it, those views were justified. The Cowboys never really had a fully healthy defense, with Terence Newman and Anthony Henry fighting injuries all season long. On a team that was firing on all cylinders like the Cowboys were, the play of the secondary was easy fodder for everyone else to point to and say, "They need to fix that." So as we prepare for the new season with several new faces on defense, I decided to take a look back at exactly what went wrong with the Cowboys defense in 2007. The results might surprise you.
Caution: stats avalanche ahead.
While the Cowboys ranked #9 overall in total defense and #13 in pass defense, those rankings are slightly misleading. The defensive rankings are based upon yards allowed per game; the Cowboys allowed 307.6 ypg total while allowing 213 ypg passing for the season.
Yet the Cowboys were sixth in the league in yards per play, allowing just 4.6 ypp all season and in Wade Phillips' favorite category they were sixth overall in passing yards per attempt at 6.4. Even better the Cowboys were fifth in the league in opponents QB rating, with quarterbacks scoring an average 75.1 rating against the Cowboys. Most surprising was that the Cowboys had as many interceptions as touchdowns allowed (19).
Taking a look across the board, the Cowboys allowed just three big passing games all season long. Week one against Eli Manning; with no Terence Newman the Cowboys gave up 312 passing yards for a 7.6 ypa. Week 6 against Tom Brady; well we know that was bad (388 yards, 54 pass attempts, 8.4 ypa). And Aaron Rodgers had a nice half against the 'Boys with 201 yards through the air for a 7.6 ypa.
The other supposedly big game by an opposing quarterback was Jason Campbell's in week eleven. On closer examination it wasn't that tremendous, while he had a whopping 348 yards passing he managed just 6.4 yards per attempt.
So what gives with the confusing and conflicting stats? Well the Cowboys had such a low yards per pass attempt versus overall pass defense because opposing teams had the fourth most pass attempts against the Cowboys in the NFL. The low ypa and QB rating say that the Cowboys' defense wasn't really all that bad, right? Well, not exactly.
Anyone can use stats to prove the point they are trying to make. They just show the numbers they want and ignore the rest. While the Cowboys weren't as bad as the rankings would have you believe, they definitely had some holes that were mighty worrisome.

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[BK Arsonist]

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The Cowboys were just 15th in the NFL in stopping the opposition on third down, allowing a 39% completion rate. That was something that plagued the team all year long. The defense would work hard on first and second down only to allow a big conversion on third down. And while they allowed just 94 yards a game on the ground, opposing teams averaged just over 4 yards per carry. The inability of the defense to stop teams on 3rd down and the lack of versatility in several positions hampered the defense from fully reaching its potential as a championship squad.
With Terence Newman and Anthony Henry hurt for much of the year the Cowboys’ options in the secondary were limited. Wade Phillips praised Jacques Reeves as much as he could but Reeves' presence on the field for significant playing time hurt the Cowboys. Reeves did not have the ability to play up on the receiver and too often gave up a big cushion. The lack of versatility in the secondary also put Roy Williams in positions that magnified his shortcomings as a safety. When Newman and Henry finally were able to get on the field at the same, the defense improved and you could see its potential.
That is what makes looking forward to this year so exciting. The weak links from last year's defense have departed, replaced by players that have the potential to give the coaching staff infinite more options in their defensive gameplay. The addition of Pacman Jones instantly bolsters a secondary that was hurting on depth just a few months back. Drafting Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick also gives the Cowboys a big improvement at corner and is already paying off as the team experiments with Anthony Henry moving around on defense. Zach Thomas also provides a major upgrade at the ILB position and his abilities in pass coverage give the linebackers a whole new versatility they didn't have before.
While the Cowboys certainly were not horrible on defense last year, it was obvious that the squad was just short of being truly great. The pass rushers lacked a secondary that could give them that extra split second they needed to reach the quarterback. The secondary lacked the depth to employ the schemes needed to give the pass rushers that extra second.. Yet in 2008 the Cowboys now have those options, of putting a big cornerback on those pesky NFC East pro bowl tight ends or bringing a in a corner with Pacman's ability in nickel situations. They have the personnel to play up in man on third and six instead of giving a ten yard cushion.
Now we just have to wait and watch. The defense the Cowboys put on the field in 2007 had some big holes; the 2008 defense should plug those holes and pave the way for that long-awaited playoff win.

[GAV]

Wearing the Dallas Cowboy Star is the social equivalent of wearing pink frills and carrying a fag-bag.

[BK Arsonist]

Wearing the Dallas Cowboy Star is the social equivalent of wearing pink frills and carrying a fag-bag.


That's deep!

[GAV]

That's deep!
Of course, I came to that deduction through recieving my masters in Freudian Psycho-analytic Psychology by delivering my thesis on the supressed homosexuality of all Cowboy fans from outside of Texas.

Hey jip, where are you from? :p

[BK Arsonist]

Of course, I came to that deduction through recieving my masters in Freudian Psycho-analytic Psychology by delivering my thesis on the supressed homosexuality of all Cowboy fans from outside of Texas.

Hey jip, where are you from? :p

of course i'm not from Texas, you know I couldn't disappoint you

[GAV]

of course i'm not from Texas, you know I couldn't disappoint you
Help is available my friend. Support your local team for your kids.

[BK Arsonist]

Help is available my friend. Support your local team for your kids.


I'd take a pineapple up the azz before I root for the NY Giants

[BK Arsonist]

This offseason there have been some big names rumored to be on the chopping block including Jason Taylor, Chad Johnson, Lito Sheppard and the Cowboys very own Roy Williams. But trading for a big name player involves giving up a significant amount in return.

Clark Judge at CBS Sports posed the question of the exact worth of these players via trade to a few GMs (anonymous of course) and personnel directors around the league. Here is what they had to say about Roy Williams.

Roy Williams, safety, Dallas

He's a five-time Pro Bowl choice who's on the hot seat because, frankly, he might have trouble covering you. And he knows it. He went on Michael Irvin's radio show this spring and admitted that sometimes he wishes opponents wouldn't throw in his direction. Great. Maybe that's why one teammate conceded that Williams "gets a deer-in-the-headlights type of reaction" when it comes to defending the pass. Which makes you wonder: If Dallas were to shop Williams, what would it take to get him?

GM No. 1: "Probably a third-rounder. He's a box safety who's limited in coverage. In my estimation he's overrated because there are certain things he can't do -- though tackling isn't one of them. He's a good, physical player, but, like I said, he's limited. Now when you're looking at what you could get in the third round at safety, there's no comparison. He's better. Much better. Still, I wouldn't give up much more than that."

GM No. 2: "He's always been a talented player, but he's more of a linebacker than a safety who can cover. Someone like John Lynch. It's been documented how much trouble he has covering receivers, but he's very active and very physical. The guy has problems now, so how do you deal with it? The Cowboys do it by taking him off the field. From what I know of him he has no character issues, but now you have some of his teammates popping off and you wonder where it goes from here. But, I'll be honest with you, I don't know enough about the guy to know what I would give for him. All I know is he's limited, and that would make me wary."

GM No. 3: "I wouldn't want him because he can't cover. He has to find a defense that suits him because the closer he is to the defensive line the better he is, and the farther away he is the more he becomes a liability."

GM No. 4: "You'd have to fit him to the right scheme because he's more of a box safety than he is someone who can help you in the passing game. He's still young and healthy, so that's good. And if you find the right club -- say, like a New England, where Rodney Harrison was a good fit -- he can be productive and make big plays. If I'm that team I might be interested in dealing a low second- or a third-round pick."

[GAV]

I'd take a pineapple up the azz before I root for the NY Giants
Obviously. Dallas Cowboy fans outside of Texas flock toward Cowboy fandom for similar reasons.

We should have had this talk before my thesis. It would have helped aid my argument.

[sanantonio]

I'd take a pineapple up the azz before I root for the NY Giants

I'd take two pineapple's up the dook chute and a Q-Tip up my johnson before I'd root for anybody in the East but us.

[CP]

I'd take two pineapple's up the dook chute and a Q-Tip up my johnson before I'd root for anybody in the East but us.

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

[BK Arsonist]

Obviously. Dallas Cowboy fans outside of Texas flock toward Cowboy fandom for similar reasons.

We should have had this talk before my thesis. It would have helped aid my argument.

i have no idea what those reasons are, but i've loved the Cowboys since I started watching football... Been with 'em through good and bad...

[A Disciple]

This offseason there have been some big names rumored to be on the chopping block including Jason Taylor, Chad Johnson, Lito Sheppard and the Cowboys very own Roy Williams. But trading for a big name player involves giving up a significant amount in return.

Clark Judge at CBS Sports posed the question of the exact worth of these players via trade to a few GMs (anonymous of course) and personnel directors around the league. Here is what they had to say about Roy Williams.

Roy Williams, safety, Dallas

He's a five-time Pro Bowl choice who's on the hot seat because, frankly, he might have trouble covering you. And he knows it. He went on Michael Irvin's radio show this spring and admitted that sometimes he wishes opponents wouldn't throw in his direction. Great. Maybe that's why one teammate conceded that Williams "gets a deer-in-the-headlights type of reaction" when it comes to defending the pass. Which makes you wonder: If Dallas were to shop Williams, what would it take to get him?

GM No. 1: "Probably a third-rounder. He's a box safety who's limited in coverage. In my estimation he's overrated because there are certain things he can't do -- though tackling isn't one of them. He's a good, physical player, but, like I said, he's limited. Now when you're looking at what you could get in the third round at safety, there's no comparison. He's better. Much better. Still, I wouldn't give up much more than that."

GM No. 2: "He's always been a talented player, but he's more of a linebacker than a safety who can cover. Someone like John Lynch. It's been documented how much trouble he has covering receivers, but he's very active and very physical. The guy has problems now, so how do you deal with it? The Cowboys do it by taking him off the field. From what I know of him he has no character issues, but now you have some of his teammates popping off and you wonder where it goes from here. But, I'll be honest with you, I don't know enough about the guy to know what I would give for him. All I know is he's limited, and that would make me wary."

GM No. 3: "I wouldn't want him because he can't cover. He has to find a defense that suits him because the closer he is to the defensive line the better he is, and the farther away he is the more he becomes a liability."

GM No. 4: "You'd have to fit him to the right scheme because he's more of a box safety than he is someone who can help you in the passing game. He's still young and healthy, so that's good. And if you find the right club -- say, like a New England, where Rodney Harrison was a good fit -- he can be productive and make big plays. If I'm that team I might be interested in dealing a low second- or a third-round pick."
nice read Jip

[GAV]

I'd take two pineapple's up the dook chute and a Q-Tip up my johnson before I'd root for anybody in the East but us.

See the tendencies of Cowboy fans? Why reference anything involving your "dook chute" or "johnson"? Why not just say I'll never root for them? You both added homo-imagery. Its to be expected from Dallas fans. Its more than just a trend.