Best Player at each position in each Division - NFL

[Dawknest20]

Go ahead and rank em. Ill post mines later on.

[BK Arsonist]

QB - Donovan McNabb - total package

RB - Brian Westbrook - A nightmare for Defensive coordinators

WR - Kevin Curtis - a faster Wes Welker

OL - Jon Runyan - just nasty

DL - Trent Cole - a beast off of the edge

LB - Ray Lewis

CB - Lito Sheppard - edges out Champ

S - Brian Dawkins - maybe the best ever

[CP]

QB - Donovan McNabb - total package

RB - Brian Westbrook - A nightmare for Defensive coordinators

WR - Kevin Curtis - a faster, better, more productive Wes Welker

OL - Jon Runyan - just nasty

DL - Trent Cole - a beast off of the edge

LB - Ray Lewis

CB - Lito Sheppard - edges out Champ

S - Brian Dawkins - maybe the best ever

Fixed that for you.

[Sgt.Slaughter]

AFC West-

QB - Jay Cutler - strong arm, good leader

RB - L.T. - enuff said

FB - Justin Griffith - good rub blocker and good hands out the backfield.

WR - Chris Chambers - good hands, decent route runner

OL - Hardwick

TE (excluding Tony Gonzalez) - Antonio Gates - big, good blocker, good hands, bad toe.

DL - Derrick Burgess - good speed of the edge, underrated pass rusher IMO.

LB - Shawn "Steroid" Merriman - plays good in a 3-4 scheme and a lil more.

CB - Champ Bailey - he's got competition now with Cromartie/Hall/Asomugha but he's still the best in the business.

S- Gibril Wilson - He's all we got!!!

[CP]

AFC West-

QB - Jay Cutler - strong arm, good leader

RB - L.T. - enuff said

FB - Justin Griffith - good rub blocker and good hands out the backfield.

WR - Chris Chambers - good hands, decent route runner

OL - Hardwick

TE (excluding Tony Gonzalez) - Antonio Gates - big, good blocker, good hands, bad toe.

DL - Derrick Burgess - good speed of the edge, underrated pass rusher IMO.

LB - Shawn "Steroid" Merriman - plays good in a 3-4 scheme and a lil more.

CB - Champ Bailey - he's got competition now with Cromartie/Hall/Asomugha but he's still the best in the business.

S- Gibril Wilson - He's all we got!!!

LOL........

[kevin21boston]

AFC East


QB - Brady

RB - Might have to go with Ronnie Brown

WR - Moss

TE - Watson

OL - Logan Mankins

DL - Richard Seymour

LB - Adalius Thomas

DB - idk...id have to say Eugene Wilson by default. theres not much in the conference

[Sgt.Slaughter]

AFC East


QB - Brady

RB - Might have to go with Ronnie Brown

WR - Moss

TE - Watson

OL - Logan Mankins

DL - Richard Seymour

LB - Adalius Thomas

DB - idk...id have to say Eugene Wilson by default. theres not much in the conference


i strongly dislike the Pats but I'll go with Brandon Merriwether...he seemed to play good last season.

[H1tStick]

NFC West


QB - Hasselbeck

RB - Jackson

WR - Boldin

TE - uhh... McMichael?

OL - Walter Jones

DL - Kerney

ILB - Tatupu

OLB - Peterson

DB - Trufant

[CP]

AFC East


QB - Brady

RB - Might have to go with Ronnie Brown

WR - Moss

TE - Watson

OL - Logan Mankins- better than Faneca? Nah

DL - Richard Seymour- He isnt even the best DL on his own team

LB - Adalius Thomas- Overrated and not even the best LB on his own team

DB - idk...id have to say Eugene Wilson by default. theres not much in the conference- UHHHHHHHHHHHHH Kerry Rhodes, Terrance McGee, Darrelle Revis, Leodis McKelvin and Will Allen are all better than any DB that the Patriots sport

I got that for ya Kev as usual ;)

QB
1. Brady
2. Who
3. f*ckin
4. cares

HB
1. Brown
2. Lynch
3. Jones
4. Maroney

WR.
1. Moss
2. Evans
3. Coles
4. Cotchery

TE
1. Watson
2. No one else worth mentioning

T
1. Matt Light
2. Jason Peters

G
1. Alan Faneca
2. Mankins

C. Mangold

DE
1. Taylor
2. Ty Warren (3-4)

DT
1. Kris Jenkins (3-4)
2. Vince Wilfat (3-4)

ILB
1. David Harris
2. Channing Crowder

OLB
1. Mike Vrabel

CB
1. Darrelle Revis
2. Terrance McGee
3. Will Allen
4. Leodis McKelvin

S
1. Kerry Rhodes
2. Donte Whitner

[SuPeRfLyKiD]

NFC East

Quarterback: Tony Romo

Running Back: Brian Westbrook

Wide Receiver: Terrell Owens

Tight End: Jason Witten

Offensive Line: Jon Runyan/Tra Thomas

Defensive Lineman: Osi Umenyiora/Trent Cole

Defensive Tackle: Mike Patterson/Fred Robbins

Linebacker: Antonio Pierce/DeMarcus Ware

Cornerback: Terrence Newman/Asante Samuel

Safety: Not really much to brag about here. I would say Dawkins, but he needs a rebound year to get back on top and Sean Taylor is gone.

[H1tStick]

I got that for ya Kev as usual ;)

QB
1. Brady
2. Who
3. f*ckin
4. cares

HB
1. Brown
2. Lynch
3. Jones
4. Maroney

WR.
1. Moss
2. Evans
3. Coles
4. Cotchery

TE
1. Watson
2. No one else worth mentioning

T
1. Matt Light
2. Jason Peters

G
1. Alan Faneca
2. Mankins

C. Mangold

DE
1. Taylor
2. Ty Warren (3-4)

DT
1. Kris Jenkins (3-4)
2. Vince Wilfat (3-4)

ILB
1. David Harris
2. Channing Crowder

OLB
1. Mike Vrabel

CB
1. Darrelle Revis
2. Terrance McGee
3. Will Allen
4. Leodis McKelvin

S
1. Kerry Rhodes
2. Donte Whitner

I don't think you can rank Jenkins over Wilfork.

[Sgt.Slaughter]

If were listing then here we go...AFC WEST:

QB
1. Jay Cutler
2. Philip Rivers
3. Brodyie Croyle
4. JaMarcus Russell

RB.
1. Tomlinson
2. Johnson
3. Fargas
4. Run DMc

FB
1. Justin Griffith
2. ???
3. ???
4. ???

WR.
1. Chris Chambers
2. Dwayne Bowe
3. Javon Walker
4. Vincent Jackson

TE
1. Tony Gonzalez
2. Antonio Gates
3. Zach Miller
4. Daniel Graham

DL
1. Derrick Burgess
2. Luis Castillo
3. Elvis Dumervil
4. Glenn Dorsey

LB.
1. Shawn Merriman
2. Derrick Johnson/Donnie Edwards
3. Kirk Morrison
4. D.J. Williams

CB
1. Champ Bailey
2T. Antonio Cromartie
2T. Nnamdi Asomugha
4. DeAngelo Hall

S
1. G. Wilson
2. Eric Widdle
3. John Lynch
4. DuJuan Morgan

Punter
1. Shane Lechler
2-4 DOESN'T MATTER

[maddenman1]

yes im a homer lol

QB- Mcnabb- when hes on hes one of the best in the NFL
RB- Westbrook- lead league in total yards from scrimmage...nuff said
FB- is this even a possition any more
TE- Whitten- shown the ability to make key catches
T- Tra Thomas- really good
G- Shawn Andrews- beast
C- O'hara- hes tough
WR- TO- get your popcorn ready

DE- Umenyora- great pass rusher (cole is getting close :D)
DT- Patterson- no one too good at this spot
LB- Ware- almost at a Merriman level
CB- Asante Samuels-another beast
FS- Dawkins- nuff said
SS- Wilson... i think hes a SS... if not then i hate to say it but
Roy "I cant cover for ****" Williams

K- Akers...LOL i just included a kicker
P- wtf is a punter ;)

DONE as you can clearly see the redskins suck :cool:

[Sgt.Slaughter]

yes im a homer lol

QB- Mcnabb- when hes on hes one of the best in the NFL
RB- Westbrook- lead league in total yards from scrimmage...nuff said
FB- is this even a possition any more
TE- Whitten- shown the ability to make key catches
T- Tra Thomas- really good
G- Shawn Andrews- beast
C- O'hara- hes tough
WR- TO- get your popcorn ready

DE- Umenyora- great pass rusher (cole is getting close :D)
DT- Patterson- no one too good at this spot
LB- Ware- almost at a Merriman level
CB- Asante Samuels-another beast
FS- Dawkins- nuff said
SS- Wilson... i think hes a SS... if not then i hate to say it but
Roy "I cant cover for ****" Williams

K- Akers...LOL i just included a kicker
P- wtf is a punter ;)

DONE as you can clearly see the redskins suck :cool:

Ask Shaun Alexander about a FB and he will let you know why he's been sliding all these years...

Ware is getting there but remember Merriman was Juiced...so tell Ware to get with the program. lol...

[ba3001]

Afc South

QB Peyton Manning

RB Fred Taylor

TE Alge Crumpler

WR 1.Marvin Harrison
1a.Andre Johnson

LB DeMeco Ryans

DB Bob Sanders

[ThaL0ngBall]

LOL........

Hey as long as he's versus #2 recievers, he can put up the numbers.

[CP]

I don't think you can rank Jenkins over Wilfork.

I actually thought about it for a few, then I thought about both of them at their best, and said "F it, go with KJ"

[CP]

Hey as long as he's versus #2 recievers, he can put up the numbers.

I'm not even speaking on #s.

I'm flabbergasted that someone can say Hall is even comparable to Bailey, as there is no DB more overrated than that guy (Hall).

[deisal01]

AFC East

DB - idk...id have to say Eugene Wilson by default. theres not much in the conference

Wilson isn't even in the AFC East anymore. Also Wilfork over Jenkins until proven otherwise. :)

[CP]

Wilson isn't even in the AFC East anymore. Also Wilfork over Jenkins until proven otherwise. :)

Jenkins has always been better than Wilfat (asides from last season)

[ThaL0ngBall]

I'm not even speaking on #s.

I'm flabbergasted that someone can say Hall is even comparable to Bailey, as there is no DB more overrated than that guy (Hall).

Ah, well nevermind then lol.

[deisal01]

Jenkins has always been better than Wilfat (asides from last season)

Tough comparison as Jenkins best years were before Vince was in the league. Having said that Vince has played 4 years.....you said he was better last year. In 04 Jenkins played only 4 games and in 05 he played only 1 game. In 06 there stats are similar and Vince played 3 less games.

Wilfork > Jenkins

[H1tStick]

Hey as long as he's versus #2 recievers, he can put up the numbers.


Cornerback stats are the most overrated and possibly irrelevant thing in football. If you think you can judge a CB by looking in the stat log then you're sadly mistaken.

[ThaL0ngBall]

Cornerback stats are the most overrated and possibly irrelevant thing in football. If you think you can judge a CB by looking in the stat log then you're sadly mistaken.

I never said Hall was anywhere in the ballpark of Bailey, just said he'd put up numbers vs. #2 recievers. Theres a difference.

[CP]

Tough comparison as Jenkins best years were before Vince was in the league. Having said that Vince has played 4 years.....you said he was better last year. In 04 Jenkins played only 4 games and in 05 he played only 1 game. In 06 there stats are similar and Vince played 3 less games.

Wilfork > Jenkins

Fair enough. I'm not big on comparing stats on DTs, but I do see your point. Wilfork is better than Jenkins until proven otherwise. I do think Jenkins is more talented, I do think that Jenkins (while on the field) has more impact than Wilfork (look at his days in Carolina anchoring those great dlines), but it isn't fair to put Wilfork behidn KJ on recent history. I am wrong (who said I can't admit when I'm wrong? :p)

[deisal01]

Fair enough. I'm not big on comparing stats on DTs, but I do see your point. Wilfork is better than Jenkins until proven otherwise. I do think Jenkins is more talented, I do think that Jenkins (while on the field) has more impact than Wilfork (look at his days in Carolina anchoring those great dlines), but it isn't fair to put Wilfork behidn KJ on recent history. I am wrong (who said I can't admit when I'm wrong? :p)

Yeah he was nasty in 02' and 03'. I think his best days are behind him and see a season ending injury for him. ;) Vince's job is really to clog sh*t up and take on defenders. He's good at it because he is quick (for his size) strong and fat.

[CP]

Yeah he was nasty in 02' and 03'. I think his best days are behind him and see a season ending injury for him. ;) Vince's job is really to clog sh*t up and take on defenders. He's good at it because he is quick (for his size) strong and fat.

Damn deisal, THANKS!!! :(

Yep, and Vince is good at it. he is very quick for a guy that size.

[deisal01]

Damn deisal, THANKS!!! :(

Yep, and Vince is good at it. he is very quick for a guy that size.

It's just a guess. I thought NE was going to win the SB last year and was wrong. So it wouldn't be the first time.

[CP]

It's just a guess. I thought NE was going to win the SB last year and was wrong. So it wouldn't be the first time.

Maybe the lease on Belichick and Brady's respective "soul to the devil" deals has run out? :eek:;)

[ReDsOxFaN911]

AFC East


QB - Brady

RB - Might have to go with Ronnie Brown

WR - Moss

TE - Watson

OL - Logan Mankins

DL - Richard Seymour

LB - Adalius Thomas

DB - idk...id have to say Eugene Wilson by default. theres not much in the conference

Has to be a joke.

Kerry Rhodes is better five times the player Eugene Wilson is. FIVE TIMES.
Darrell Revis is better then him too, by far.

I can't believe you just said that....

[ReDsOxFaN911]

Afc South

QB Peyton Manning

RB Fred Taylor

TE Alge Crumpler

WR 1.Marvin Harrison
1a.Andre Johnson

LB DeMeco Ryans

DB Bob Sanders

TE Dallas Clark, rest are good

[Sgt.Slaughter]

I'm not even speaking on #s.

I'm flabbergasted that someone can say Hall is even comparable to Bailey, as there is no DB more overrated than that guy (Hall).


Nobody is saying that Hall is compairable, they just play in the same division. And Hall has to do is hold is hyped weight because Nnamdi Asomugha has proven that he is an B+ shut down corner so if Hall can hold his own like they say he did in Atlanta (he wont play T.O., which is a good thing) then he should be mentioned in the same breath as the best cb's in the division.

[CP]

Nobody is saying that Hall is compairable, they just play in the same division. And Hall has to do is hold is hyped weight because Nnamdi Asomugha has proven that he is an B+ shut down corner so if Hall can hold his own like they say he did in Atlanta (he wont play T.O., which is a good thing) then he should be mentioned in the same breath as the best cb's in the division.

Actually I was going to comment on this in your list.

1. Asomugha>Cro (IMO)
2. And Asomugha is a A, borderline A+ shutdown CB, he's that good.

No Hall (unless he actually lives up to the hype for once) should never be mentioned in the same breath as Cro, Asomugha and Bailey.

[Sgt.Slaughter]

Cornerback stats are the most overrated and possibly irrelevant thing in football. If you think you can judge a CB by looking in the stat log then you're sadly mistaken.

Then how should they be judged???

[Sgt.Slaughter]

Actually I was going to comment on this in your list.

1. Asomugha>Cro (IMO)
2. And Asomugha is a A, borderline A+ shutdown CB, he's that good.

No Hall (unless he actually lives up to the hype for once) should never be mentioned in the same breath as Cro, Asomugha and Bailey.

U knw I wasn't tryna start a fury of hot fire spit my way about Cromartie and Asomugha so I had to go against my better judgement and list it that way...but i'll take a Raider DB anyday of the wk...to consider Hall tho you have to remember that we aren't an extremely talented receiver division so he might get off against some of our division rivals.

If the Raiders can get 1 good year then I'll be happy...

[conviction]

AFC North


QB - Carson Palmer

RB - Willie Parker

WR - Chad Johnson

TE - Todd Heap

OL - Levi Brown? i have no clue

DL - Trevor Pryce

ILB - Ray Lewis

OLB - Terrell Suggs

DB - Ed Reed
______________

[conviction]

Cornerback stats are the most overrated and possibly irrelevant thing in football. If you think you can judge a CB by looking in the stat log then you're sadly mistaken.

agreed (10 characters)

[SuPeRfLyKiD]

Then how should they be judged???
One of the things I look for is how often teams throw to their side. One of the reasons interceptions are pretty much an overrated stat for corners is because teams do not throw towards shutdown/borderline shutdown corners such as Champ Bailey and Nnamdi Asomugha.

[A Disciple]

QB - Donovan McNabb - total package

RB - Brian Westbrook - A nightmare for Defensive coordinators

WR - Kevin Curtis - a faster Wes Welker

OL - Jon Runyan - just nasty

DL - Trent Cole - a beast off of the edge

LB - Ray Lewis

CB - Lito Sheppard - edges out Champ

S - Brian Dawkins - maybe the best ever
Ok Jip. Do you remember Coach Stag? lol, you are his evil twin. :p

Cornerback stats are the most overrated and possibly irrelevant thing in football. If you think you can judge a CB by looking in the stat log then you're sadly mistaken.

Then how should they be judged???
I have to agree with him here. Deion never had a lot if picks or bat downs in his later years. Was it because his production slipped? Heck no. It's because people were too scared to throw at him.

Actually I was going to comment on this in your list.

1. Asomugha>Cro (IMO)
2. And Asomugha is a A, borderline A+ shutdown CB, he's that good.

No Hall (unless he actually lives up to the hype for once) should never be mentioned in the same breath as Cro, Asomugha and Bailey.
I think I would take Cro here homie.

[CP]

Ok Jip. Do you remember Coach Stag? lol, you are his evil twin. :p


I have to agree with him here. Deion never had a lot if picks or bat downs in his later years. Was it because his production slipped? Heck no. It's because people were too scared to throw at him.

I think I would take Cro here homie.

I think that is Asomugha didn't play for the biggest joke of a franchise in pro sports, people would agree with me :p

Either way, few things towards my reasoning

1. Cro plays on an absolutely loaded defense, leading to his inflated INT numbers (that's the main reason people think hes the next coming)

2. Asomugha has played on a joke of a team for how long , and has been left out to dry like noone's business by a lack of offense.

3. With SD, you don't have the luxury (due to a sick pass rush AND having Q Jammer on the other side) in saying "ok we're not going to throw at Cro today" while in OAK the gameplan is to throw away from Nhandi. This leads to his great # of INTs, again which is the reason people think he's great.

4. *HYPOTHETICAL* If you switch the two, we'd be talking about how wonderful Nhandi is while we may not even know who Cro is.

[A Disciple]

NFC East...

QB: Romo, Eli/McNabb, Campbell
RB: Westy, Barber, CP, Jacobs (man this is a beasty group of RBs)
WR: TO, Plax, Moss... are there any other WRs in this division? lol
TE: Shockey/Witten, Cooley/LJ (pretty nice TE's too)
OL: Skins, Boys, Philly, Giants

DE: Osi, Strahan, Kearse, Tuck, Cole
DT: Not sure to be honest.
LB: Ware, Pierce, Washington, Kiwanuka/James/McIntosh
CB: I'm not gonna name mine cause none of you would take it serious, lol. For the record, I think Lito and Sheldon are HIGHLY overrated. Especially Lito. And I think Asante is a system DB. But he will fit in wel in Philly.
Safety: Dawkins by far, Landry, Hamlin/Philips

K: Akers, Feely
P: Don't know
KR: Pac :D lol

[A Disciple]

I think that is Asomugha didn't play for the biggest joke of a franchise in pro sports, people would agree with me :p

Either way, few things towards my reasoning

1. Cro plays on an absolutely loaded defense, leading to his inflated INT numbers (that's the main reason people think hes the next coming)

2. Asomugha has played on a joke of a team for how long , and has been left out to dry like noone's business by a lack of offense.

3. With SD, you don't have the luxury (due to a sick pass rush AND having Q Jammer on the other side) in saying "ok we're not going to throw at Cro today" while in OAK the gameplan is to throw away from Nhandi. This leads to his great # of INTs, again which is the reason people think he's great.

4. *HYPOTHETICAL* If you switch the two, we'd be talking about how wonderful Nhandi is while we may not even know who Cro is.
Fair points, but I still like Cro more. Taller, faster, can jump higher and has better hands and better with the ball once he picks it off. Alphabet soup is stronger and more physical though.

[CP]

Fair points, but I still like Cro more. Taller, faster, can jump higher and has better hands and better with the ball once he picks it off. Alphabet soup is stronger and more physical though.

Aso is 6'2 and Cro is 6'2.

Cro is definitely more athletic than Asomugha though, but as a cover corner I don't think its all that close right now.

[A Disciple]

Aso is 6'2 and Cro is 6'2.

Cro is definitely more athletic than Asomugha though, but as a cover corner I don't think its all that close right now.
I thought it was 6'1 and 6'3. Darn you Madden. :p

But I still go Cro. But don't get me wrong, it's not like I'm mad at having either one. It's not like We're debating Fabian Washington and Deangelo Hall here, lol.

[H1tStick]

Then how should they be judged???


By watching them and using knowledge about the game to grade them. If you just look look at the stats column you pretty much don't know anything about the CB. For instance, there are lots of CBs who get a bunch of ints because they take risks and keep an eye in the backfield. However, these players usually get burned a ton and aren't the best all around players. Dfall and Asante are examples of this. Interceptions can also be a product of the system they are in. Then there are players who don't really get a ton of interceptions but are very solid in coverage. Guys like Asamoaga and Trufant would fit into that category.

You have to evaluate defensive backs much like you would evaluate o-linemen. Just by watching them and judging them yourselves.

[ReDsOxFaN911]

Cromartie has ball skills like Randy Moss, I would take him over Asoumnagahfdsfsasfdfdsa. More of a playmaker and more athletic.

[kevin21boston]

I got that for ya Kev as usual ;)

QB
1. Brady
2. Who
3. f*ckin
4. cares

HB
1. Brown
2. Lynch
3. Jones
4. Maroney

WR.
1. Moss
2. Evans
3. Coles
4. Cotchery

TE
1. Watson
2. No one else worth mentioning

T
1. Matt Light
2. Jason Peters

G
1. Alan Faneca
2. Mankins

C. Mangold

DE
1. Taylor
2. Ty Warren (3-4)

DT
1. Kris Jenkins (3-4)
2. Vince Wilfat (3-4)

ILB
1. David Harris
2. Channing Crowder

OLB
1. Mike Vrabel

CB
1. Darrelle Revis
2. Terrance McGee
3. Will Allen
4. Leodis McKelvin

S
1. Kerry Rhodes
2. Donte Whitner


my bad about rhodes. hes the best in the afc east. for some reason i thought he signed with the raiders. :confused:



but with those rankings youre implying that the jets are in the same galaxy as the pats, which isnt the case.


and where do you get off saying leodis mckelvin is the 4th best CB in the conference? really? based on what?

[KingStyle]

NFCN

QB Who knows....

RB AP of course

WR Calvin Johnson Sidney Rice, Jennings, Roy Williams

TE Packer guy, forget his name, maybe the white dude on the Bears

DT Williams Twins

C Kreutz, Birk

G Hutch

T McKinnie or whoever

DE Jared Allen and Kampman

MLB EJ Henderson #54

OLB Briggs Detroit LB (wow Im too lazy to search...)

S Mike Brown for a game until he gets hurt M. Williams and Sharper will be a good tandem

CB Winfield (underrated) Charles Woodson and Harris.


NFCN should be an interesting conference to watch for sure.

[CP]

my bad about rhodes. hes the best in the afc east. for some reason i thought he signed with the raiders. :confused:



but with those rankings youre implying that the jets are in the same galaxy as the pats, which isnt the case.


and where do you get off saying leodis mckelvin is the 4th best CB in the conference? really? based on what?

Nope, with those rankings I am implying that the Jets are better at several spots than the Pats. But really, on paper rankings mean sh1t.

Also there is this guy named Tom Brady. He is the biggest difference between the two teams.

I think that Alan Faneca and Mangold are the best at their respective spots, as well as Darrelle Revis, Kerry Rhodes and David Harris. Can you tell me where I am saying something outlandish or unreasonable? I think Coles and Cotch are the 3rd and 4th best WRs in the division.

You act like I said Calvin Pace and Vernon Gholston are going to combine to have the most sacks in the NFL or something like that.

Nothing that I said, can you look at me and factually say that "it is absolute nonsense". Mind you I already gave up the Jenkins>Wilfork case. Though I still believe that at his best Jenkins> Wilfork at his best.

Who is better than McKelvin? Putting McKelvin there = the rest of the CBs in the conference are sh1tty.

Who am I supposed to put there? Ellis Hobbs? He sucks azz.

[CP]

NFCN

QB Who knows....

RB AP of course

WR Calvin Johnson Sidney Rice, Jennings, Roy Williams

TE Packer guy, forget his name (Donald Martin), maybe the white dude on the Bears (Olsen)

DT Williams Twins

C Kreutz, Birk

G Hutch

T McKinnie or whoever

DE Jared Allen and Kampman

MLB EJ Henderson #54 (Urlacher??????)

OLB Briggs Detroit LB (Ernie Sims)

S Mike Brown for a game until he gets hurt M. Williams and Sharper will be a good tandem

CB Winfield (underrated) Charles Woodson and Harris.


NFCN should be an interesting conference to watch for sure.

..............

[H1tStick]

NFCN

QB Who knows....

RB AP of course

WR Calvin Johnson Sidney Rice, Jennings, Roy Williams

TE Packer guy, forget his name, maybe the white dude on the Bears

DT Williams Twins

C Kreutz, Birk

G Hutch

T McKinnie or whoever

DE Jared Allen and Kampman

MLB EJ Henderson #54

OLB Briggs Detroit LB (wow Im too lazy to search...)

S Mike Brown for a game until he gets hurt M. Williams and Sharper will be a good tandem

CB Winfield (underrated) Charles Woodson and Harris.


NFCN should be an interesting conference to watch for sure.

Sydney Rice ahead of Driver. Henderson ahead of Urlacher....lol way to go, homer.

[CP]

Sydney Rice ahead of Driver....lol way to go, homer.

I think he just forgot Driver and Lach

[KingStyle]

They werent in order, chill the f out. Yeah CP those were there ones, I was tired.

[Milwaukee]

NFCN

QB Who knows....

RB AP of course

WR Driver, Jennings...we're not going off potential

TE Packer guy, forget his name, maybe the white dude on the Bears

DT Williams Twins, Tommie Harris

C Kreutz, Birk

G Hutch

T Tauscher/Clifton/McKinnie

DE Jared Allen and Kampman

MLB Urlacher, Barnett

OLB Briggs, Sims, Hawk

S Mike Brown for a game until he gets hurt M. Williams and Sharper will be a good tandem

CB Harris, Winfield, Woodson

NFCN should be an interesting conference to watch for sure.

Revised, minus the purple kool-aid

[East69Coast]

QB- Palmer
RB-Parker
FB-Vickers
TE-Winslow
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[KingStyle]

There was, again, no order. If you don't think Rice will be something to be dealt with though I suggest you check him out again. I didn't put Berrian there because he hasn't done anything on the team yet.

However to omit EJ Henderson is just funny.

EJ had 118 tackles 5.4 sacks 3 FF 0 INT
Urlacher 123 tackles 5 sacks 0 FF 5 ints
Barnett had 131 tackles 3.5 sacks 0 FF 2 ints

Easily in their range.

[warren123]

I hate threads like these because no matter what team someone likes they find a way to get like 3-4 players who shouldn't be in there on the list. Eugene Wilson? lol not even on the team and CP Jenkins>Wilfork I absolutely disagree with.

Anyway, AFC NORTH

QB:
1) Palmer
2) Ben
3) Derek Anderson (I think he is extremely overrated and will not be a productive starter for a while)
4) Charlie Batch>Ravens QB

RB:
1) Willie
2) Mcgahee
3) Jamal Lewis
4) Rudi Johnson (by default)

WR:
1) Chad Johnson
2) Houz
3) Braylon
4) Ward/Holmes
5) Mason

TE:
1) Winslow
2) H Miller (over Heap since Heap was hurt last year)
3) Heap
4) Bryan Fletcher (ewww)

OL: (Top 5 out of everyone)

1) Ogden (even though he is retireing, might not I'm not positive)
2) Levi Brown
3) Joe Thomas
4) Marvel Smith
5) No idea

DL:

1) Casey Hampton
2) Ngata
3) Aaron Smith
4) Shaun Rogers
5) Corey Williams

LB:

1) Ray Lewis
2) James Farrior
3) Terrell Suggs
4) James Harrison
5) Wimbley

CB:

1) Mccallister

S:

1) Reed
2) Polamalu

[Milwaukee]

There was, again, no order. If you don't think Rice will be something to be dealt with though I suggest you check him out again. I didn't put Berrian there because he hasn't done anything on the team yet.

However to omit EJ Henderson is just funny.

EJ had 118 tackles 5.4 sacks 3 FF 0 INT
Urlacher 123 tackles 5 sacks 0 FF 5 ints
Barnett had 131 tackles 3.5 sacks 0 FF 2 ints

Easily in their range.

Rice isn't in the league of Driver and Jennings yet, so no need to even discuss him. If we were talking about potential then its different.
EJ Henderson had what, 1 good year? He's not the best (thread title once again), not even close to Urlacher or Barnett. He's a good hitter and run stopper but isolate him in coverage and he's a non factor. Should I make a poll?

[Sgt.Slaughter]

I think that is Asomugha didn't play for the biggest joke of a franchise in pro sports, people would agree with me :p

Either way, few things towards my reasoning

1. Cro plays on an absolutely loaded defense, leading to his inflated INT numbers (that's the main reason people think hes the next coming)

2. Asomugha has played on a joke of a team for how long , and has been left out to dry like noone's business by a lack of offense.

3. With SD, you don't have the luxury (due to a sick pass rush AND having Q Jammer on the other side) in saying "ok we're not going to throw at Cro today" while in OAK the gameplan is to throw away from Nhandi. This leads to his great # of INTs, again which is the reason people think he's great.

4. *HYPOTHETICAL* If you switch the two, we'd be talking about how wonderful Nhandi is while we may not even know who Cro is.

See I've watched every Raiders game faithfully for the past 5 seasons...painful at best...but Asomugha has really only had 2 productive seasons since he's been in the league, getting caught on by almost every receiver in the league. His 1st 2 seasons he didn't register an interception and he was consistantly manhandled by receivers and could tackle to running backs. He's getting better now but last season he had his moments where he just seemed lost on the field (but that happens to every player, every now and then)...

[Swift456]

Fixed that for you.

Welker over Curtis......................

[Swift456]

I actually thought about it for a few, then I thought about both of them at their best, and said "F it, go with KJ"



Wilfork over Jenkins..........

[CP]

Welker over Curtis......................

Of course :rolleyes:

Never mind that Curtis averaged 4 yards more per catch, scored 2 less TDs on 35 less catches, only 65 less total yards despite 35 less catches, and that Curtis did this while playing with McNabb, and having Reggie Brown opposite him, while Welker has a top 2 QB, the best OL in the league and maybe the best WR iin the history of the game taking doubles and triples with him every play

Yeah, Welker is better than Curtis :rolleyes:

[CP]

Wilfork over Jenkins..........

Why don't u read the entire thread? I already said this l8r on.

[KingStyle]

Heh so is a player based on who he COULD HAVE around him and what numbers he would put up or actual numbers?

Cause in that case the Vikings would be awesome with Tom Brady at QB and Winslow at TE.

Excuses...

[CP]

See I've watched every Raiders game faithfully for the past 5 seasons...painful at best...but Asomugha has really only had 2 productive seasons since he's been in the league, getting caught on by almost every receiver in the league. His 1st 2 seasons he didn't register an interception and he was consistantly manhandled by receivers and could tackle to running backs. He's getting better now but last season he had his moments where he just seemed lost on the field (but that happens to every player, every now and then)...

Asomguha has had 2 good seasons. How many has Cromartie had? 1/2?

[Swift456]

Of course :rolleyes:

Never mind that Curtis averaged 4 yards more per catch, scored 2 less TDs on 35 less catches, only 65 less total yards despite 35 less catches, and that Curtis did this while playing with McNabb, and having Reggie Brown opposite him, while Welker has a top 2 QB, the best OL in the league and maybe the best WR iin the history of the game taking doubles and triples with him every play

Yeah, Welker is better than Curtis :rolleyes:



Who cares about ur gay stats.....Welker over Curtis.......

Curtis had two games against where he went nuts, one was against the lions.......dont remember the other........Other games he dissapeared...........


Trust me welker over Curtis........Dont always go by the book stat boy.


Like I always tell you I dont need stats to tell me things I just go by what I saw during the season and stats dont always tell the whole story, But since u demand stuff like that here u go.........


Eleven of his catches, 221 of his yards and three of his scores came in one week, and he had only two other games with at least 100 receiving yards and one touchdown combined. In the 13 of his other 16 games, Curtis failed to record 80 receiving yards.

[Swift456]

Why don't u read the entire thread? I already said this l8r on.



Wilfork over Jenkins............


Also I would take coles over lee Evans ..........

[CP]

Heh so is a player based on who he COULD HAVE around him and what numbers he would put up or actual numbers?

Cause in that case the Vikings would be awesome with Tom Brady at QB and Winslow at TE.

Excuses...

Excuses?

No, its called looking at statistics in context, and NOT looking at them in a vacuum

77 catches for 1,110 6 TDs, 14.4 YPC with McRehab throwing the ball and with NO WEAPONS outside of him (save for the running back)

112 catches for 1,175 8 TDs 10.5YPC with Brady throwing the ball, Moss taking 2 and 3 guys with him every down, the best OL in the league (not saying the Eagles line is bad mind you) and countless weapons around him

Give me Curtis over Welker. He is more talented and more productive as the #s above tell you.

14.4 YPC to 10.5

1 TD per 13 catches for Curtis
1 TD per 14 catches for Welker

[CP]

Who cares about ur gay stats.....Welker over Curtis.......

Curtis had two games against where he went nuts, one was against the rams.......dont remember the other........Other games he dissapeared...........


Trust me welker over Curtis........Dont always go by the book stat boy.

Better statistics: Curtis
More talent: Curtis
More productive: Curtis

[killacs]

Welker was a product of being around the most dominant offense ever, end of discussion.

[CP]

Wilfork over Jenkins............


Also I would take coles over lee Evans ..........

Evans is younger, cheaper, more talented. He is a great deep threat, and has been productive despite catching balls from garbage his entire career, not to mention never having any other weapons to take attention off of him.

(The one season where he actually had a QB who played well he showed what he can do, going for 1300 yds and 8 TDs)

[deisal01]

Lets compromise.....if you need an outside WR (1 or 2) take Curtis. If you need someone to work the slot....Welker.

[CP]

Lets compromise.....if you need an outside WR (1 or 2) take Curtis. If you need someone to work the slot....Welker.

If I need a WR I'm taking Curtis, period. He is better than Welker is.

[CP]

Eleven of his catches, 221 of his yards and three of his scores came in one week, and he had only two other games with at least 100 receiving yards and one touchdown combined. In the 13 of his other 16 games, Curtis failed to record 80 receiving yards.

In one game, Welker had 13 for 149 (that is classified as nuts for him)

In 12 of his other 16 games, Welker failed to record 80 receiving yards, even with the All World Offense around him :rolleyes:

Two can play that game.

[Sgt.Slaughter]

Asomguha has had 2 good seasons. How many has Cromartie had? 1/2?

C.P. I'll give you that...all im saying from earlier was that I listed Crom ahead of Asomugha because i wasn't trying to start too much *****...backfire...and Asomugha has had 2 dusty seasons and 2 solid seasons, he's bound to get better but he's the 2nd best in our division anyday of the week

[H1tStick]

Wilfork over Jenkins............


Also I would take coles over lee Evans ..........


No way. Give Evans a good Qb and he would be one of the best WR's in the league.

[CP]

No way. Give Evans a good Qb and he would be one of the best WR's in the league.

Amen......

[KingStyle]

Asomguha has had 2 good seasons. How many has Cromartie had? 1/2?

10 ints in 8 games is good if you are going to say hes only played 1/2 good season.

Oh he set a record for longest return yard TD, but Merriman and the rest helped him with that too!

[KingStyle]

No way. Give Evans a good Qb and he would be one of the best WR's in the league.

Wouldn't that apply to like, um, a lot of WRs?

[CP]

10 ints in 8 games is good if you are going to say hes only played 1/2 good season.

Oh he set a record for longest return yard TD, but Merriman and the rest helped him with that too!]

What does his return on a missed FG have to do with Asomugha being the better cover corner, and actually being PROVEN in this league? Or anything in this conversation at all?

10 INTs in 8 games (when he got the starting job) qualifies as a good 1/2 season.

[KingStyle]

Because he makes plays thats why. Did you not see him against Indy? Merriman and company weren't helping him make those plays.

[H1tStick]

Wouldn't that apply to like, um, a lot of WRs?

No, that would apply to very few.

On a sidenote, your level of trollness is getting quite humorous...It's like you just sit here waiting for people to post something so you can jump in "OMG YOUR SO WRONG DUMBASS"..

lol...get a life

[CP]

Because he makes plays thats why. Did you not see him against Indy? Merriman and company weren't helping him make those plays.

Wait

I can't remember all 3 of his INTs, but I do remember the one handed one, where someone was basically hanging from Manning's legs, and I remember the one in the endzone where Manning was also pressured into an inaccurate throw.

Cromartie is a playmaker but to try and downplay the impact of having that front 7 is ridiculous.

A front 7 like that can make a LOT of CBs look good. The superbowl is the greatest example of that, as well as the rest of the playoff, as the Giants started Corey Webster and Aaron Ross at CB.

[KingStyle]

Wait

I can't remember all 3 of his INTs, but I do remember the one handed one, where someone was basically hanging from Manning's legs, and I remember the one in the endzone where Manning was also pressured into an inaccurate throw.

Cromartie is a playmaker but to try and downplay the impact of having that front 7 is ridiculous.

A front 7 like that can make a LOT of CBs look good. The superbowl is the greatest example of that, as well as the rest of the playoff, as the Giants started Corey Webster and Aaron Ross at CB.

Ok well hmm why didn't Jammer have a super awesome year? Why didn't any of the Safeties do great? I will admit their 7 is good, but they are far from elite in many areas.

As to the H1stick character, I apologize if I do not agree with your (note correct form and usage) opinions, however sometimes I don't think that "If this happened, if we had this player, if if if if if) is a way of determining how good of a player someone is.

Hey if people thought like that, if T Jack would throw more TDs than INTs he'd be a lot better! Brilliant!

And yeah I never typed "OMG YOUR SO WRONG DUMBASS" now did I?

Again I apologize if I have upset you in any way for not agreeing with you 100% in your opinion.

Tool.

[CP]

Ok well hmm why didn't Jammer have a super awesome year? Why didn't any of the Safeties do great? I will admit their 7 is good, but they are far from elite in many areas.

As to the H1stick character, I apologize if I do not agree with your (note correct form and usage) opinions, however sometimes I don't think that "If this happened, if we had this player, if if if if if) is a way of determining how good of a player someone is.

Hey if people thought like that, if T Jack would throw more TDs than INTs he'd be a lot better! Brilliant!

And yeah I never typed "OMG YOUR SO WRONG DUMBASS" now did I?

Again I apologize if I have upset you in any way for not agreeing with you 100% in your opinion.

Tool.

Who says Jammer didn't have a good year? because he didn't catch a lot of INTs?

Didn't Eric Weddle play well for SD last year? And didn't McCree play well ?

[Sgt.Slaughter]

]

What does his return on a missed FG have to do with Asomugha being the better cover corner, and actually being PROVEN in this league? Or anything in this conversation at all?

10 INTs in 8 games (when he got the starting job) qualifies as a good 1/2 season.

And in the 2nd half of the season qb's stopped throwing to his side, which proves by the standards for this thread, that he was a good cb...because qb's don't throw to shutdown corners, right?

So wouldn't that mean that he proved himself in the 1st half of the season and had a good 2nd half...thats only going by what was said earlier in this thread.

[KingStyle]

I dont know 10 ints vs 1 int is pretty marginal. Jammer has 11 total in his career. Weddle was a rookie, nothing crazy about his year, and Mcree had a decent year, but nothing I would write home about.

How are DBs supposed to be graded?

[H1tStick]

I dont know 10 ints vs 1 int is pretty marginal. Jammer has 11 total in his career. Weddle was a rookie, nothing crazy about his year, and Mcree had a decent year, but nothing I would write home about.

How are DBs supposed to be graded?

LOL...you think INTs are the only thing by which CBs should be graded?

[CP]

And in the 2nd half of the season qb's stopped throwing to his side, which proves by the standards for this thread, that he was a good cb...because qb's don't throw to shutdown corners, right?

So wouldn't that mean that he proved himself in the 1st half of the season and had a good 2nd half...thats only going by what was said earlier in this thread.

How could they stop throwing at his side and yet he still manages to get 11 INTs?

[Sgt.Slaughter]

I dont know 10 ints vs 1 int is pretty marginal. Jammer has 11 total in his career. Weddle was a rookie, nothing crazy about his year, and Mcree had a decent year, but nothing I would write home about.

How are DBs supposed to be graded?


Well they say that if a cb doesn't get thrown too then he's a good corner back...and thats kind of odd seeing as how if a cb doesn't get alot of int's then he's labeled as "overrated" or "lost a step or two"...

[Sgt.Slaughter]

How could they stop throwing at his side and yet he still manages to get 11 INTs?

The 2nd half of the season qbs stop throwing to his side because he only got 1 Interception...So i guess that means nothing to the argument you guys put up earlier...

[CP]

Well they say that if a cb doesn't get thrown too then he's a good corner back...and thats kind of odd seeing as how if a cb doesn't get alot of int's then he's labeled as "overrated" or "lost a step or two"...

This isn't true.

Two words

Rashean Mathis

[CP]

The 2nd half of the season qbs stop throwing to his side because he only got 1 Interception...So i guess that means nothing to the argument you guys put up earlier...

Um, nah he had 7 INTs in the 2nd half of the season, not 1.

[Sgt.Slaughter]

Um, nah he had 7 INTs in the 2nd half of the season, not 1.

My bad CP, i didn't even check the stats...-1 Slaughter...

[QBStokes4]

AFC East
QB: Brady
RB: Brown...soon to be Lynch
WR: Moss
OL: Peters (LT Bills)
DL: JT
LB: Adalius
CB: Dare I say it...Ellis Hobbs? Justin Miller? this is awful
S: Wilson

AFC North
QB: Palmer
RB: Parker
WR: Chad
TE: Winslow
OL: Joe Thomas
DL: Hampton
LB: Ray Ray
CB: CMac
S: Reed

AFC South:
QB: Manning
RB: Freddy
WR: AJ
TE: Clark
OL: Saturday
DL: Freeney
LB: Ryans
CB: MAthis
S: Sanders

AFC West:
QB: Rivers
RB: LT
WR: Jevon
TE: Gates
OL: Dielman
DL: Jamaal Williams
LB: MErriman
CB: Champ
S: Huff

NFC East:
QB: McNabb
RB: Westy
WR: Plax
TE: Cooooley
OL: Andrews
DL: Osi
LB: Ware
CB: Lito
S: Dawkins

NFC North:
QB: Booty
RB: AD
WR: Calvin
TE: Desmond Clark
OL: Hutchinson
DL: Ogumleye
LB: Urlacher
CB: Al HArris
S: Sharper

NFC South:
QB: Brees
RB: Duece
WR: Stevie Smith
TE: Alex Smith
OL: Jamaal Brown
DL: Will Smith
LB: Derrick Brooks
CB: Ronde Barber
S: Bullucks

NFC West:
QB: Hassleback..Leinart will be
RB: Stevie J
WR: Fitz..Holt was a god tho
TE: McMichael
OL: Walter Jones
DL: Little
LB: Peterson
CB: Trufant
S: A Dub

[KingStyle]

LOL...you think INTs are the only thing by which CBs should be graded?

No not the ONLY thing but one of the MOST important aspects yes. Unless you think that having a CB with 40 tackles and 10 INTs did LESS than one that had say 60 tackles and 2 INTs?

How are they graded then?

I understand you use the "If" stat system, but everyone else uses ACTUAL stats.

[KingStyle]

The 2nd half of the season qbs stop throwing to his side because he only got 1 Interception...So i guess that means nothing to the argument you guys put up earlier...


Yes exactly: If they throw to him and he gets a lot it's because of 7 other players forcing it, but if he only gets 1 then he's just not good.........

But on the same token they say that same guy who only gets 1 is because they don't get thrown to because he's good LOL :p

[CP]

Yes exactly: If they throw to him and he gets a lot it's because of 7 other players forcing it, but if he only gets 1 then he's just not good.........

But on the same token they say that same guy who only gets 1 is because they don't get thrown to because he's good LOL :p

His statistic was wrong ;)

[CP]

AFC East
QB: Brady
RB: Brown...soon to be Lynch
WR: Moss
OL: Peters (LT Bills)
DL: JT
LB: Adalius
CB: Dare I say it...Ellis Hobbs? Justin Miller? this is awful
S: Wilson

AFC North
QB: Palmer
RB: Parker
WR: Chad
TE: Winslow
OL: Joe Thomas
DL: Hampton
LB: Ray Ray
CB: CMac
S: Reed

AFC South:
QB: Manning
RB: Freddy
WR: AJ
TE: Clark
OL: Saturday
DL: Freeney
LB: Ryans
CB: MAthis
S: Sanders

AFC West:
QB: Rivers
RB: LT
WR: Jevon
TE: Gates
OL: Dielman
DL: Jamaal Williams
LB: MErriman
CB: Champ
S: Huff

NFC East:
QB: McNabb
RB: Westy
WR: Plax
TE: Cooooley
OL: Andrews
DL: Osi
LB: Ware
CB: Lito
S: Dawkins

NFC North:
QB: Booty
RB: AD
WR: Calvin
TE: Desmond Clark
OL: Hutchinson
DL: Ogumleye
LB: Urlacher
CB: Al HArris
S: Sharper

NFC South:
QB: Brees
RB: Duece
WR: Stevie Smith
TE: Alex Smith
OL: Jamaal Brown
DL: Will Smith
LB: Derrick Brooks
CB: Ronde Barber
S: Bullucks

NFC West:
QB: Hassleback..Leinart will be
RB: Stevie J
WR: Fitz..Holt was a god tho
TE: McMichael
OL: Walter Jones
DL: Little
LB: Peterson
CB: Trufant
S: A Dub

Darrelle Revis........

[Michura]

AFC East
QB: Brady
RB: Lynch (if not in jail)
WR: Moss
OL: Peters
DL: Seymour
LB: Adalius
CB: McGee
S: Rhodes

AFC North
QB: Palmer
RB: Parker
WR: Chad
TE: Winslow
OL: Joe Thomas
DL: Hampton
LB: Ray
CB: CMac
S: Reed

AFC South:
QB: Manning
RB: Adai
WR: Andre Johnson
TE: Clark
OL: Saturday
DL: Freeney
LB: Ryans
CB: Mathis
S: Sanders

AFC West:
QB: Rivers
RB: LT
WR: Marshall
TE: Gates
OL: Dielman
DL: Jamaal Williams
LB: Merriman
CB: Champ
S: G Wilson

NFC East:
QB: Romo
RB: Westbrook
WR: TO
TE: Cooley
OL: Andrews
DL: Osi
LB: Ware
CB: Samuel
S: Dawkins (Landry soon)

NFC North:
QB: Campbell (how sad is this?)
RB: Peterson
WR: Williams (Calvin soon)
TE: Desmond Clark
OL: Hutchinson
DL: Allen
LB: Urlacher
CB: Al HArris
S: Sharper

NFC South:
QB: Brees
RB: Duece
WR: Smith
TE: Alex Smith
OL: Jamaal Brown
DL: Peppers
LB: Beason
CB: Ronde Barber
S: T Jackson

NFC West:
QB: Hassleback
RB: Jackson
WR: Fitz
TE: McMichael
OL: Walter Jones
DL: Kerney
LB: Willis
CB: Trufant
S: A Wilson

[CP]

No not the ONLY thing but one of the MOST important aspects yes. Unless you think that having a CB with 40 tackles and 10 INTs did LESS than one that had say 60 tackles and 2 INTs?

How are they graded then?

I understand you use the "If" stat system, but everyone else uses ACTUAL stats.

It all depends. Rashean Mathis had 1 INT this past year, and I would take him over Cromartie as having a better season AND would take Mathis over Cro generally as well. I'm not sold on a big number of INTs meaning that you are wonderful (mind you I think Cro is a very good corner, but he has to prove his cover skills are legit over the course of a full season or 2 starting before u break out the anointing oil IMO).

There have been quite a few CBs who don't have alot of INTs who have been great, lockdown CBs who haven't had a lot of INTs because QBs didn't throw at them (Deion Sanders at the end of his Dallas career, Rashean Mathis) while there have been many average/overrated CBs with a lot of INTs (D Falls, Deltha O'neal).

INTs are a very flawed way to judge a CB IMO, simply because getting INTs a lot of times is a result of your surroundings/luck (tipped balls, being in the right place at the right time, etc). While, on the other hand, you can't get INTs if guys won't throw at you (Mathis, Bailey last season etc) , or if you don't have a million bats from hell coming to kill the QB as well as Phillips and MErriman do it.

I do think that Cromartie has the ability/talent to be the best CB in the league, but I just don't think he is up there as far as top 5 CBs yet, as ints are the main source of his effectiveness.

I don't think CBs can be efectively judged on statistics. You kind of have to watch them yourselves and form your opinions that way.

[H1tStick]

No not the ONLY thing but one of the MOST important aspects yes. Unless you think that having a CB with 40 tackles and 10 INTs did LESS than one that had say 60 tackles and 2 INTs?

How are they graded then?

I understand you use the "If" stat system, but everyone else uses ACTUAL stats.


They are graded by watching them....

You have to get your head out of the stat logs and actually watch some games.

There are lots of corners who get tons of interceptions because they gamble a lot and keep an eye in the backfield. These players tend to get burned more than what these interceptions make up for. And, there are lots of players who don't get interceptions because they either aren't thrown at, are perhaps don't have the best ball skills. Ball skills aren't the most important attribute for a corner, coverage ability is.

Once again, just watch some games instead of relying what a spreadsheet on the internet can tell you.

[FusionGT]

AFC North

QB - Obviously Vince Young... [Kidding], Peyton Manning by a wide margin
HB - It's a tough choice, but I like Addai or Fred Taylor by a nose.
WR - Reggie Wayne with Andre Johnson a close second. Give Johnson a quarterback like Manning and things would be different.
TE - Dallas Clark, Crumpler's probably over the hill and Clark's the only competent choice.
OL - No idea... I don't follow it enough, but probably someone from the Colts
DT - Albert Haynesworth has to be right up there, with Stroud and Henderson behind him.
DE - Vanden Bosch is good, but isn't in the same as Freeney... It'll be interesting to see what Kearse can do.
LB - Good group of guys, tough to pick one. My top two are DeMarco [sp] Ryans and one of the more underrated linebackers Keith Bulluck.
DB - Bob Sanders gets the nod here, no one in the division even close to him.
K - My man Rob Bironas! Ha...
P - Hunter Smith I suppose.

[KingStyle]

They are graded by watching them....

You have to get your head out of the stat logs and actually watch some games.

There are lots of corners who get tons of interceptions because they gamble a lot and keep an eye in the backfield. These players tend to get burned more than what these interceptions make up for. And, there are lots of players who don't get interceptions because they either aren't thrown at, are perhaps don't have the best ball skills. Ball skills aren't the most important attribute for a corner, coverage ability is.

Once again, just watch some games instead of relying what a spreadsheet on the internet can tell you.

Uhh I watched all the games, I live in San Diego. He is a very physical corner, and very much like Mathis and even McCalister to some extent. He is very fast and attacks the ball not to mention very tall for a CB.

I know INTs arent the best stat to judge a CB, but last time I checked Champ always has a lot of INTs too...

[KingStyle]

AFC East
NFC North:
QB: Campbell (how sad is this?)
RB: Peterson
WR: Williams (Calvin soon)
TE: Desmond Clark
OL: Hutchinson
DL: Allen
LB: Urlacher
CB: Al HArris
S: Sharper



Who is Campbell? Wouldn't you have to be a starter to be on the list? I think Olsen is better than Clark at Chicago.

[Swift456]

Amen......




Coles over Evans............Idc who the qb is................Thats hypothetical............Coles has such a great qb?????????lol.......

Coles is tougher, better over the middle, better hands, better overall wideout than evans........



Welker over Curtis, Ive seen both play and Welker is better..............Curtis is faster but Welker runs better routes, creates more Yac, better hands, just a better wideout....................



Welker had 40 more catches, more yards and more tds......................3 can play at that game.......


Meanwhile he was more consistent week in and week out than curtis........

[Bearfanmike20]

I went to do this for the nfc north.. and I got to pos #1 qb.. and.. I'm stuck.. so.. forget it!!

This is very sad when an entire div is void of a qb... :(

[rjmcc01]

I'm not reading the previous 8 pages so I'll just jump in here with best on offense and defence.

NFC West- Defence Tatupu. Offense, a little tougher, either Stephen Jackson or Hasslebeck.

[CP]

Coles over Evans............Idc who the qb is................Thats hypothetical............Coles has such a great qb?????????lol.......

yeah, because playing with J.P Blowsmen with Roscoe Parrish as your 2 is comparable to Coles situation throughout his career :rolleyes:


Coles is tougher, better over the middle, better hands, better overall wideout than evans........

Evans is more talented than Coles. Evans can take over a game. Evans is a premium deep threat, something the Jets haven't had since Moss (and we didn't even use him).

Coles might be tougher, and better over the middle, but how many hits is he away from having his eggs scrambled for good?



Welker over Curtis, Ive seen both play and Welker is better..............Curtis is faster but Welker runs better routes, creates more Yac, better hands, just a better wideout....................

Curtis is more talented and more productive, that is what I care about. Then again aren't you the one who says Brandon Marshall and Stokley makes a great WR corps. You seem to have something for overrated, midget white WRs who are nearly completely devoid of talent who only succeed in the best of best conditions. :p



Welker had 40 more catches, more yards and more tds......................3 can play at that game.......

Of course you would have more yards if you have 40 more catches Swift. His whopping 65 more yds on 40 more catches really isn't impressive. Yes and Curtis catches TDs as a better rate, your point?



Meanwhile he was more consistent week in and week out than curtis........

And Curtis still managed to be more productive.

[SuPeRfLyKiD]

Coles over Evans............Idc who the qb is................Thats hypothetical............Coles has such a great qb?????????lol.......

Coles is tougher, better over the middle, better hands, better overall wideout than evans........



Welker over Curtis, Ive seen both play and Welker is better..............Curtis is faster but Welker runs better routes, creates more Yac, better hands, just a better wideout....................



Welker had 40 more catches, more yards and more tds......................3 can play at that game.......


Meanwhile he was more consistent week in and week out than curtis........
It's apples and oranges really when you try to compare an X receiver to a slot guy. One guy has shown that he can be both productive in the slot and on the outside (Kevin Curtis) while the other has just shown he can sit underneath coverage all game long and stretch out some checkdowns. Welker has never proven that he can be a good receiver on the outside as an X or a Z so until he does, I'll take Curtis over him as a starter. If we're talking slot receivers, then I will take Welker.

[sportfan88]

yeah, because playing with J.P Blowsmen with Roscoe Parrish as your 2 is comparable to Coles situation throughout his career :rolleyes:


Evans is more talented than Coles. Evans can take over a game. Evans is a premium deep threat, something the Jets haven't had since Moss (and we didn't even use him).

Coles might be tougher, and better over the middle, but how many hits is he away from having his eggs scrambled for good?



Curtis is more talented and more productive, that is what I care about. Then again aren't you the one who says Brandon Marshall and Stokley makes a great WR corps. You seem to have something for overrated, midget white WRs who are nearly completely devoid of talent who only succeed in the best of best conditions. :p




Of course you would have more yards if you have 40 more catches Swift. His whopping 65 more yds on 40 more catches really isn't impressive. Yes and Curtis catches TDs as a better rate, your point?




And Curtis still managed to be more productive.

Haha CP... werent you hyping up Losman last year? ;)

[CP]

Haha CP... werent you hyping up Losman last year? ;)

Yes and that is one of the many things I was wrong about :p

Thanks bum :mad:;)

[Swift456]

yeah, because playing with J.P Blowsmen with Roscoe Parrish as your 2 is comparable to Coles situation throughout his career :rolleyes:


Evans is more talented than Coles. Evans can take over a game. Evans is a premium deep threat, something the Jets haven't had since Moss (and we didn't even use him).

Coles might be tougher, and better over the middle, but how many hits is he away from having his eggs scrambled for good?



Curtis is more talented and more productive, that is what I care about. Then again aren't you the one who says Brandon Marshall and Stokley makes a great WR corps. You seem to have something for overrated, midget white WRs who are nearly completely devoid of talent who only succeed in the best of best conditions. :p




Of course you would have more yards if you have 40 more catches Swift. His whopping 65 more yds on 40 more catches really isn't impressive. Yes and Curtis catches TDs as a better rate, your point?




And Curtis still managed to be more productive.


I said Marshall and Stokley is a GOOD wideout corps not great........


if were talkin in the future yea than I would prob take evans, but 4 this year comin I take coles..........



Welker over Curtis......Again Ive seen both ply and watched Curtis alot, Had him on my fantasy team, Welker is better IMO

[CP]

I said Marshall and Stokley is a GOOD wideout corps not great........


if were talkin in the future yea than I would prob take evans, but 4 this year comin I take coles..........



Welker over Curtis......Again Ive seen both ply and watched Curtis alot, Had him on my fantasy team, Welker is better IMO

This year I take Evans. Less risk, and greater reward. Also with Clemens likely to win the job, he could use a gamebreaking threat like Evans.

Curtis is more productive and more talented in a FAR worse situation.

Curtis>>>>Welker

[GAV]

NFC East

QB - McNabb
HB - Westbrook
OT - Thomas
G - Andrews
C - Jackson
WR - Plax
TE - Cooley

DE - Osi
DT - Tuck
OLB - Washington
MLB - Pierce
CB - Samuel
FS - Dawk
SS - Landry

K - Akers
P - ?