Defense for Deep Ball needed

[rhombic21]

Alright, this problem has reached EPIC porportions. I just played some lame guy who ran with Texas. Now when somebody else picks Texas, I am contractually obligated to bring my Sooners and defend our honor against those evil bastards.

So anyways, this guy's ENTIRE GAME is to scramble with Vince Young if I go Cover 2 Man, or to lob it deep to a WR if I use any sort of zone, or Cover 1. He would manually control his 6'5" 02 SPD 96 JMP WR and stop short and then jump to get the ball (I believe the Madden players refer to this as "Jetpacking"). Nevermind the fact that I have arguably the best secondary in the Nation at my disposal, or the fact that Young shouldn't be able to hit a freaking planet with his arm, but this guy ends up with well over 400 yards passing.

He called plays from Ace bunch or SG Trips, and then motioned his HB out and sent him on a route. This prevented me from calling Cover 2 Man, and spying with the MLB (since the MLB was man on the HB). And OU's DLineman aren't fast enough to contain Young on the scramble. I tried taking control of a DE, and manually miroring Young's movements, and he beat me to the corner EVERYTIME. When I went zone, he just waited until his WR was a good 40 or 50 yards downfield, and then lobbed it to him, where he caught it in front of my Safety EVERYTIME. If I manually try to control the S to take that away, he scrambles with Young.

I called damn near every defense in the book. I tried to bring the heat, and couldn't get there in time. I tried going Max Cover, and it either resulted in him waiting on the zone to break down, or taking off for an easy first down. I tried bump and run to give my DL time to get a sack, but his WRs beat it EVERYTIME. I tried backing off, but that left nobody but the front 5 to defend the scramble, and he would occassionaly dump it off to the HB on a 1 step drop, before my S/CB could come up defend the pass. I tried manually controlling my guys, but usually they were so far out of position that it was no good. I tried letting the CPU control the guy on the ball, and then bringing somebody else over, but I couldn't seem to get there in time, or his WR was in perfect position to shield my DB from the ball. Nothing worked at all. It was quite easily the gayest spectacle I've ever been witness to.

HFA is also getting on my nerves now. He was mixing up his D's between 2 different versions.

Version 1 he calls a defense from Dime and then audibles down to 4-3. He moves either the FS or SS RIGHT up to the line between the OT and the OG, so that you can't run on it at all. I MURDERED this play by going with Slot Wheels from SG Spread, and just hitting whichever Slot reciever was on the same side as the S at the line. I ended up with over 400 yards using this play and a HB streak play to KeJuan Jones, which burned his strategy of bumping all the WR's from 4-3 (audibled down of course), and then sitting short with one of the Safeties to cut off a slant route.

But he would occassionally call his little play from Dime defense, and instead of audibling he would move his DT's 5 yards off the LOS. Now the few times that I anticipated this and came out with a draw play called, I got 10-15 yards easy. But when I called a pass play and he came out and did this, I was unable to audible, due to the HFA. Thus he can get away with his uber lame defense because I essentially have to guess right in the huddle. Pretty freaking weak. I don't mind not being able to audible ALL the time on the road, but when I pretty much can't audible AT ALL, that's taking it a little far.

But back on the long bombs issue. I've found that pretty much the ONLY way to defend the long bomb is to go Cover 2 man. I have no idea how to stop the long bomb with a mobile QB though, as Cover 2 man is EXTREMELY vulnerable to the QB scramble. Any help would be appreciated on this subject matter, as this ***** is reaching "game killer" status. It's not very fun to play when the game turns into "Which QB can hit the most 60 yard Streaks" fests.

[Warbuck$]

Cheeser all the way. I hope you gave a bad rating for his repution (NCAA does have that right?).

[Warbuck$]

Did you have access to any corner blitzes? If he rolled out far enough, they should have reached him pretty easily.

[rhombic21]

Did you have access to any corner blitzes? If he rolled out far enough, they should have reached him pretty easily.
I tried that, but it didn't work so well. He didn't really roll out immediately, which caused my DL to get sucked in. If he had just taken off, a DE would probably have broken free and pursued him. He would wait in the pocket for a good 4-5 secs, and then rollout to the wide side of the field. But sometimes he didn't roll out at all. If I came with a Corner blitz, he was pretty good at picking it up and just lobbing it deep.

I should have either subbed in a SS at DE, or brought out the AB, but I hate to get into a cheese war like that, and I was really interested in figuring out how to legitimately stop his strategy, as the long ball has been KILLING me in every defense except for Cover 2 man.

[Warbuck$]

What about manually spying and blitzing with a LB? Its hard to play cheese vs. non-cheese, I know. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire though.

[rhombic21]

What about manually spying and blitzing with a LB? Its hard to play cheese vs. non-cheese, I know. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire though.
Like I said, I originally did just that, and it worked well. But then he just started sending is HB on a drag route (he motioned him out to a WR slot) to take me out of the play. Essentially he was going with a no back offense all game. I tried to blitz up the middle, but Young's mobility allowed him to just backpedal and then scramble to get out of it.

[mad_bomber]

I have a friend that plays very similar to that. He uses Missouri and does this with Brad Smith. I really haven't had too much time to focus on the defensive side of the ball, I try to use patience when facing this type of attack. I'll concede yardage from 20 to 20 and will look to clamp down on them when they enter the red zone. My thinking is if I can force him to consistently execute his offense without allowing him the big play, I'll do it. I feel confident enough in my offense that I'll be able to move the ball and eventually dictate the tempo of the game. I plan on focusing specifically on the defensive side of the ball next week.

[TrojanNole]

First off, I dont think the Texas is a cheesy player, he used what worked and its up to you stop it.

As for the defense, your have got to but exteme presurre on the QB, I personally sub my DE's for LB's and use the 3-4 into the 3-3-5 and use bombers enhanced blitzs to bring the heat.

I played a guy with texas, he did the same thing and I beat him, go look at my profile. Give me this guys name I was to play him and see how I do againest him and let you know if my scheme works.

[rhombic21]

First off, I dont think the Texas is a cheesy player, he used what worked and its up to you stop it.

As for the defense, your have got to but exteme presurre on the QB, I personally sub my DE's for LB's and use the 3-4 into the 3-3-5 and use bombers enhanced blitzs to bring the heat.

I played a guy with texas, he did the same thing and I beat him, go look at my profile. Give me this guys name I was to play him and see how I do againest him and let you know if my scheme works.
If I wanted to I easily could have subbed a SS or FS in at DE, and just manually spied on him. My point was that the deep ball is INCREDIBLY hard to stop, even with superior secondary personel (my CB was rated 10 OVR points higher than his WR, and my FS was 12 points higher). And once he connects on a few of those babies, your DB's become rattled, which makes it easier to connect the next go around. It's like fighting a losing battle.

It gets even more difficult to stop when you face an opponent who only uses it in key situations, so that you can't play Cover 2 man all game. If you're in Cover 3 or Cover 1, the deep ball connects WAY too much. I've lost at least 4 games because my opponent hit 2 or 3 deep balls on 3rd and 7, when I'm trying to cover the short stuff. I don't mind giving one up occassionally, but I don't think I should have to go with a max cover defense to stop it from happening 9 times out of 10, especially when I have good CB's and Safeties.

And you can't really bring a great deal of heat when he's in 4 and 5 WR sets, because eventually somebody is going to break free. When he calls the same play all four downs, all it takes is one time for a WR to get behind coverage, and it's over. The 3-3-5 defense has TERRIBLE deep coverage, since it is mostly a Cover 3 or Cover 1 defense, and in order to get pressure from the 4-3, 3-4, 4-2-5, or Nickel, you have to bring 6 or 7 defenders, essentially leaving EVERY DB in single coverage. Not exactly what you want to do when sombody is going deep all game.

I did have some success stopping him inside the 20, but he also got a lot of long bombs that put him right on the goal line, which ultimately negated that strategy.

[FlaPride]

I haven't had the game but 2 days now and I played one guy online and lost in the last 45 seconds of the game after I held him all game long to 0 points, the exact same way.

I think I might try playing one of the Hulk Defenses (3-4 or 4-3) and bring the OLB from the opposite side of the blitzing corner. trying to force him to run to the cormer on the blitz. It still gives you three deep coverage and ok medium coverage and hopefully you can make start to force those throws.

I hate playing those type of players. I would have someone take him out if it was a real game.

I'm going to start playing Online this weekend now that I am starting to get a feel for the game, so I will have an opportunity to face this tactic I'm sure.

Hope this works for you.

[TrojanNole]

Me and FlaPride run about the same defense, to be exact FlaPride taught me the 335 from the 3-4D.

LET ME GET A SHOUT OUT TO MY MENTOR: FLAPRIDE, THANKS DUDE!

Ok back to the issue, we dont use the new 335 in the game, at least not yet. I'm still converting the 3-4 into the 3-3-5 or 30 stack.

FlaPride is right about the Hulk 3, this play with the analog blitz can bring the heat and leave the QB with little or no time to throw downfield.

Liike I said before, let us know who this guy is so one of us can play him and see if we stand a chance vs his deep balls.

[rhombic21]

Me and FlaPride run about the same defense, to be exact FlaPride taught me the 335 from the 3-4D.

LET ME GET A SHOUT OUT TO MY MENTOR: FLAPRIDE, THANKS DUDE!

Ok back to the issue, we dont use the new 335 in the game, at least not yet. I'm still converting the 3-4 into the 3-3-5 or 30 stack.

FlaPride is right about the Hulk 3, this play with the analog blitz can bring the heat and leave the QB with little or no time to throw downfield.

Liike I said before, let us know who this guy is so one of us can play him and see if we stand a chance vs his deep balls.
You miss the point entirely.

I'm not even salty about that game anymore. If I wanted to cheese back and AB or make BS subs, then I probably could have beaten him. My point is that I am having all sorts of difficulty stopping the 40-50 yard streak with any defense other than Cover 2 man. That presents a problem because I'm not really comfortable calling Cover 2 man all day on defense on 3 and 8 or 2 and 10, when I also have to consider the intermediate and underneath stuff. It seems to me that in non Cover 2 man defenses, the offense connects on the streak about 75% of the time, higher depending on the WR. It's pretty close to impossible for me to stop when I've got a WR and a DB in a 1-1 jump ball situation. Even if the CB or S is rated much higher than the WR, I still have very limited success even knocking the ball down, let alone making a pick.

[TrojanNole]

I dont think my tactic are cheesy, subbing LB's for DE's is not cheesy for me, and I dont think its unrealistic. ABing, I view, is a extension of the game, its not as effective as 04, but I use it from time to time, especially if you show several times and then drop back in coverage when he thinks u are but down.

But, I dont consider myself a cheesy player, hell some people complain that using another teams playbook is cheesy.

[rhombic21]

I'll retract my earlier statements about the deep ball. One thing I've learned is that cover 3 is not very good at defending the deep streaks. For whatever reason, the CB just doesn't play the ball well at all, and 9 times out of 10 he's out of position. But I'm having a lot more success with Cover 1 man defenses, and Cover 2 zone defenses. I think part of it might just have been that his guy was such a pefect candidate for the jump ball (96 Jump and 6'5"), and the other part can probably be chalked up to poor user control with the Safety. Since that game I haven't really had problems containing the deep ball, other than when I go Cover 3, so I'm dialing down my use of Cover 3 signficantly.

[funfootball]

I played a OU guy with Brad Thompson at QB. Man he lit me up all day long with Clayton. I mean 5 1 play drives in a row. I finally got him controlled then he lit me up with underneath and scrambling. The one play that I started to do since he ran no huddle the whole game doing the same play was I did a instant audible to 3-4 cover 4 and called a dime defense. I then audibled to the the 3-4 cover 4 play. This puts a lot of good cover guys defends the deep pass which this guy was looking for every play. I had my butt handed to me but I had the satisfaction of stopping him on 4th down attempts on his last two drives.

[Marino2Clayton]

I dont think my tactic are cheesy, subbing LB's for DE's is not cheesy for me, and I dont think its unrealistic. ABing, I view, is a extension of the game, its not as effective as 04, but I use it from time to time, especially if you show several times and then drop back in coverage when he thinks u are but down.

But, I dont consider myself a cheesy player, hell some people complain that using another teams playbook is cheesy.


Your a joke, subbing in LBs for DEs is a joke, taking advantage of the games AI with analog blitzing is beyond a joke. There is no way to rationalize it. Idotic "gamers" like yourself ruin this game for real college football fans with your cheesey play.

How old are you 15?

[kbell97]

wHAT WRONG WITH THAT MAN , It does happen in real football ( college and pro) The steelers always have OLB's who are tweeners, they can play DEND in the dime or nickel and play OLB in the 3-4, OLB D. wake is being converted to DEND this year for his speed, Its called real football. Their is a way to stop it to, its called power running. To me its no big deal, it is just part of real football.

[Marino2Clayton]

wHAT WRONG WITH THAT MAN , It does happen in real football ( college and pro) The steelers always have OLB's who are tweeners, they can play DEND in the dime or nickel and play OLB in the 3-4, OLB D. wake is being converted to DEND this year for his speed, Its called real football. Their is a way to stop it to, its called power running. To me its no big deal, it is just part of real football.

The steelers do not put LBs at both their defensive end positions.

I also liked how you didnt even bother defending the AB because there is no rational defense for such a cheesey tactic.

[kbell97]

Ok, I only watch every steelers game. last year when they played in the nickel and dime, Gildon and C. Haggans lined up as DENDs, who both play OLB in the 3-4, they even have Porter, and they had experimented with K.Bell at Dend. Now when they play their base 3-4 they do play OLB. I wasn't even talking about the AB blitz.

[mad_bomber]

Watch it with the name calling. It's perfectly ok to disagree with someone, but the personal stuff won't be tolerated.

[cant-stop-ricky]

[QUOTE=funfootball]I played a OU guy with Brad Thompson at QB.QUOTE]

uhh i think u mean paul thompson :p geez the intelligence of some ppl makes me want to do the exact opposite of wat they say

[Warbuck$]

I came here to read about defending the deep ball. I must have got lost. :mad:

[TrojanNole]

Marino, careful with what u say about myself, Kbell, and any true VG member, if u disagree thats cool, some things you say are getting a little personal.

Since, u say that, then play who u want. We dont care.

[djwill13]

marino, you might want to ease off a lil man, you are a n00b here, you can't just come in disrespecting people even if you don't agree with what they say

you can find ways to intellectually argue with people, but don't call them names. i myself have gotten into a few spats here and there, but keep the name callin down

as far as the ab is concerned, if it's ok with my opponent, then i'll use it. if not i won't. but, if i see my opponent using cheese, then i'll use the ab simple as that

[FlaPride]

Thats how I feel about it too, DJ.
I'm not gonna have someone do it to me all game and not do it back.
The AB is BS for sure, but if thats the game someone is gonna play then thats what kind of game I'll play.
I prefer to play a game where you play real ball. I played this guy last night and was beating him 20 - 0 the dude just started throwing deep every play and eventually got ahead of me by one with like 20 sec. left in the game. Pissed off about the 50 deep balls I had to defend for the entire second half I threw 2 deep balls and won the game. Cheese vs. Cheese when necessary. ;)

[kbell97]

The AB is not that bad this year, it is defeinatly not as effective as in 2004, at least from my point of view, it seams like running backs are better at picking up AB blitz. FlaPride, you play more online than I do, are people still AB blitzing like crazy? and if so is it still effective? both the AB in the A GAp, and the outside blitzes?

[TrojanNole]

I'm gonna do a post on what cheesy is and isnt later this week. My 2 cents on the AB is I'll do it if done back. The AB was posted all over EA's forum last year and EA left it in the game for some reason. The AB is stoppable this year for sure. But, people's opinion vary on what is cheese and what is not.

For example, every play someone who uses a no huddle with a option team?

Ever have someone go for it on every 4th down, behind or not?

Ever have someone use no huddle ever time, even when the clock is stopped on a incomplete pass or out of bounds player?

Ever have someone on side every kickoff?

Ever have someone go for two every touchdown?

If anyone used any of these tactics, then I see no diffenence in AB's someone.

And I could continue forever on what someone may or may not think is cheesy. I got blasted cause I said I sub my DE's for LB's.
Look if u got a guy who's QB is scambing by ur DE's, u got to do something to slow him down, COMBAT SPEED WITH SPEED, he can still out run u but at least push him side to side.
Everyone has a opinion and when u go online,then expect it, plain and simple, its a video game, if u want a real game experience, then join a league with rules and regulations, until then, I will learn how to combat these tactics with my own tactics.
I have been glitched twice by players who I have clearly beated and they glitched me and I got the lost, check out my record and see (TrojanNole).

But, u know what, its part of playing online my friend. I'm getting use to it!

[TrojanNole]

By the way, my mentor said (FlaPride) the AB is BS, and I will agree it is.

BUT, its in the GAME, but not the end of the game by no means.

Like anyone who plays cheesy, theres a way around it.

As a matter for fact MARINO, why do u tell all of us how a football video game suppose to be played and we can be more like you?

Seriously.....Since I'm a idiot and that I'm ruining ur game so much..tell me how I should play then when someone wants to use any of the above tactics on me during a game...how should I react?

[BigsbY]

well i guess im going to get off topic by saying try running 335 stack double outs lol

[mad_bomber]

well i guess im going to get off topic by saying try running 335 stack double outs lol

Good point. lol :)

[thovind1]

Is 3-3-5 double outs gonna work? I mean, most guys that do the gay stuff go 5-wide all game. If you double only the two outside receivers, the slots are gonna be one-on-one. Or does it?

[Mr Wiggles]

I had a guy do the same thing to me with santonio holmes for tOSU. I set my an audible to 4-3 double teaming holmes and I'd call a dime and then audible to it. Stopped him pretty good but then the TE did some serious damage. But by taking away the big play it allowed me to follow Bomber's theory stopping him in the red zone where I had the satisfaction of picking him off twice.

KBell,

your right about the Steelers. They call it their "penny" defense when they line-up Gildon and Bell/Haggans/Porter at DE in passing situations. personally I think it sucks but they seem to like it.

Cheese

To me it is cheese when you call passing plays and routinely take off and run with a QB. Once that happens I put the CB's at OLB. OLB at MLB, fastest big men left at DE, and usually move my faster CB's to cover the slots. Fight fire with fire!. Usually they just glitch after they find out they have to throw from the pocket or get their QB Killed.

[TrojanNole]

Thanks Wiggles for backing up our theory on downsubbing DE's, I was called a idiot for trying to think that way, glad to see someone thinks like a idoit with me. LOL :D Really thanks for the info

[godsmack]

yeah bigsby hit the nail on the head...its crazy how people just throw deep to the outside receivers no matter how many people are on them...i guess since a lot of people online cant read defenses they just throw it up especially with the improved defense...i looked at the number 1 player online and he gives up 5 points a game..i mean wow i think that shows how tough the defense is although to play that many games and have 5 points against he must be up to something lol...most formations have double wide outs...so as long as you pick double wide you should be ok...now as one guy said if they run 5 wides or what not of course youre in single coverage everywhere else....i just take my chances and live with that lol...because the outside receivers are the best on the team and thats who i concentrate on...in 5 wides id say dime defense with double wide outs would be best...just manual pick the middle linebacker and help out on the running back out the backfield or the other receivers in single coverage....how this helps...death to hail maries all game lol

[kbell97]

Mr. Wiggles, when the steelers run their Penny defense like that

1. their OLB were DENDs in college
2. they don't draft or sign DEND that are great pass rushers, they have DENDS who tie up offensive lineman to create space for their LB's
3.

[pinolian]

Nethanial Adibi, the fast DE from Va Tech is their latest DE in college to OLB in the pros project. the guy runs a 4.5 40 and was a defensive end at VA tech. he was drafted in the 5th round I believe.

[kbell97]

yEP,They have yet to sign him , hopefully before their training camp starts. Last year they drafted Alonzo Jackson who played DE at Florida St, and converted him to OLB. This year they want him in their Penny De with Gildon gone. I don't know what kind of role Abidi will have, I would like to see him play, he has nice speed , he could be the other rush end in the dime. I see Cowher having him play special team ( so he can block some more punts), and thats about it. Bill is not to fond of playing young guys, he likes to stick with the vets, which helped lead to a miserable season last year.

[kbell97]

I also forgot to mention to MarinoClayton, that college football coaches that recruit linebacker convert them to DENDs for their speed.

[The Greek]

I haven't had the game but 2 days now and I played one guy online and lost in the last 45 seconds of the game after I held him all game long to 0 points, the exact same way. I hate playing those type of players. I would have someone take him out if it was a real game.

I'm going to start playing Online this weekend now that I am starting to get a feel for the game, so I will have an opportunity to face this tactic I'm sure.

Hope this works for you.


I think I might try playing one of the Hulk Defenses (3-4 or 4-3) and bring the OLB from the opposite side of the blitzing corner. trying to force him to run to the cormer on the blitz. It still gives you three deep coverage and ok medium coverage and hopefully you can make start to force those throws.

Try the 4-3 Thunder blitz and Pinch your LB's. The LB's will shoot the gap so fast that he won't have 4-5 seconds to hold the ball to throw the deep lob. It also provides zone coverage so he will have to really read the defense to get a completeion. The is another blitz in the 4-3, Ithink it called middle blitz, it gets sames exact pressure for your LB's but it's a man coverage. If you mix it up your opponent will not know if it's zone or mane and the pressure will be to intense for him to look down feild. If you get to the QB a few time early he will think twice of comming out with a 5 wide formation.

I used this againts a Guy who killed me in the first half with the long ball and he was up by 17 at the half. I made the adjustment and decided that I needed to brig some sick heat. In the end I won by 4 and had 10 sacks and 2 INT's in the second half alone. Trust me if you mix it up it will help you out.

Try it and let me know how it works for you.

[TOBIAS1]

Let me see, I was playing last night in a dynasty with some friends and they started to get frustrated and went into the hail mary and started throwing it up.

Needless to say they completed like 85% of their passes!!!!!!!!!!! come on now, I was in the Dime cover 3, prevent, and nickel cover 3, and all kinds of different cover 3 and 4 plays.

But the bottom line is that the programmers at EA gave the wide outs the benefit in the long ball situation!!!!!!!!!!!

I mean I was starting in a dime and audibling to the 3-4 cover 4 and the long pass was still coming down!!!!!!!!!!! COME ON this is ridiculous, I even tried man and nothing was consistent enough to stop the long pass!!!!!!!!!!

They were completing so many passes deep that they never looked short at all!!!!!!! that is totally unrealistic!!!!!!!!!!!

I just want the gameplay to recognize that when I pick any kind of down field coverage that their main focus is NUMBER1: GET TO THE BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too many corners are clueless who are 10 points higher than the reciever they are guarding.

Sorry EA bad job on the defensive side of the ball...........very bad.

[kbell97]

If you have a stud receiver, watch out, now a stud receiver and a scrambling QB, you better really look out. I swear its easier to complete the longball against humans than the computer.

[pinolian]

the biggest difference this year that I have seen is calling bump and run can really hurt you. You will get toasted this year if you do so.

Also I hammer the WR this year. I always nail L2 when defending a pass. Most of the time I do not get credit for the big user hit, but the guy gets hit really hard and I see the animation anyway.

Last night i played against USC with oklahoma. the only offense he had was throwing the ball up. so I blitzed every other play, never called bump n run. I wound up with 4 picks and 6 sacks for the game and easily won.

[Warologist]

I find that when i worry about making contact with the receiver, i give up position and give up the catch. I am very physical when i switch to the DB and I almost always make some contact with the WR. Up till now it has given me a good chance on most bombs and also with the new tip drill, it can turn a potentially disasterous situation into something advantageous. Try it and let me know how it works for u.

[Warologist]

If u have to put smaller faster guys on the outside, I say go for it. At that point , the offense should start running the ball at those smaller players to neutralize their speed. IF u saw Ty Law playing DE, would u try to run around him or have ur 280 lb tackle run over him. Lets use our football knowledge and dare i say common sense to play the game. There is an adjustment for everything

[mad_bomber]

EA Tiburon just can't seem to get this right. I played a guy and all he did was drop 20 and 30 yards back in the pocket running around waiting for his receivers to get down the field. Of course he'd just lob the ball up and more times than not his receiver would catch the ball in double and triple coverage. The killer was with a few seconds left he threw up a long bomb that my defensive backs deflected and started going into that ridiculous tip drill animation and you know of course his receiver eventually caught it for a touchdown. He was playing with FSU I was playing with Boise State.

[Volunteer77]

The guys I play online most right now (real life friends) get most if not all their scores off this. LOL :D I get so annoyed, they think they are so good lobbing that deep pass and getting a completion with 2 or 3 guys hangin' all over their reciever. And when i find a dude open on a slant or something medium over the middle Its BULL *&%#. they think since their guys were around the area and I luckily passed in that "perfect window" My guy was covered. But they aint scream BS when their dude catches that long ball all day. I need help on this bad. I would never lose to these guys if I could defend it.

[mad_bomber]

So far NCAA 2005 reminds me alot of NCAA 2003. In NCAA 2003 the defense reacted a tad to unrealistic to the short and medium range passing game, however they played the deep balls extrememly bad. Safeties for example wouldn't make a play on the ball, but would instead watch the receiver as he made the catch. NCAA 2005 is somewhat similiar in this regard. Another thing the two games have in common is the inconsistent play of the receivers dropping passes.

[scgator78]

I play Uf and have a friend that plays with UM. We found if you pick your times to try and intercept or to bat the ball down you can greatly increse your chances of defending the long ball. Don't do either of those unless you are sure you can get to the ball. We found out if you just lay the guy out they dont usually call PI

[mad_bomber]

I may have to start going for the intentional pass interference. Getting a 15 yard penalty isn't as bad as giving up a 40 yard bomb :).

[themenace47]

different guy on the box

the success of the deep ball when thrown into coverage is now , was before and most likely will always be jacked up on these ea football games

seriously , the first company who makes a game pretty much like the one we have now and cuts out the tossups in coverage completely will have my $

1wr vs 1 db with both in position should =
wr cth @ 25%
db catch @ 10%
no completion the remainder

1 wr with 2 dbs in position =

wr cth 2 in 100
db catch 20%
incomplete remainder

garbage style toss up in deep zone with a user controlled db in position should result in a user pick more than 75%

or else these games will always kinda suck when the football fan meets cpu geek .

[TrojanNole]

Rhombic, heres a message to you about this thread of stopping the long ball. I made some comments I probaly need to retract and say I officially am in the same group u r n the sense of needing help trying to stop the long ball.
I have played two games currently againest opponents whose whole offense was only the long ball.
I even AB'd them, but made little or no difference in the outcome of the game. So, if I came across like I knew how to stop the long ball and that the AB was going to officially end the long ball, WELL it doesnt and my philoshily didnt work either.
So, the search continues.

[Farmer]

I may have to start going for the intentional pass interference. Getting a 15 yard penalty isn't as bad as giving up a 40 yard bomb :).


I had this happen to me, when I do try and make a L2 hit, I get called for PI. When I try to knock the pass down, I get called for PI and the guy still caught the ball. So I'm confused on this tactic. :confused:

I just got my hat handed to me a little while ago by some guy that played a 5-2 zone against my 3 and 4 reciever sets. On one play his guy was beat so bad that he manually switched to him and dove infront of my intended receiver and knocked him down. But the stupid cpu didn't call PI against him. :mad: Needless to say, that really pissed me off and almost had me to the point of throwing this damn disc right out the window.

This year, I think EA really dropped the ball on this one. I'm like Bomber in the fact that 04 only needed a few minor tweaks, the new defenses, some the ability of switching the side of the run with out flipping the play. But that gay *** HFA is totally unrealistic IMO. I mean having played sports myself I know for a fact that if we can't verbally audible, we go to hand and or body signals. But this year, with HFA you can't audible at all; and to me that's just not realistic. I know some of you will chime in with this is a video game, blah blah blah, it's not real life, yada yada yada; well EA's moniker is " If it's in the game, it's in the game. ". Well switching to another way of audibling is also a part of the game. What I found as for the deep ball, mix it up, give em a different look and manually bring the heat to try and confuse your opponent.


So far I'm just not happy with 05. :(



-Farmer

[kbell97]

I agree with you totally Farmer, and I agree with Bomber also, I really enjoyed last year games a lot better. The only thing need was a little tweeking a.k.a, the points you just brought up. The HFA was kind of cool at first but is starting to become annoying ( maybe the only thing they should have done with the audibles was wait until you reach the LOS to call them, would have bee ok with me). The ball floating around in the air is a freakin joke, didn't these guys ever see a football game played, maybe they thought it was cool. Don't even get me started on the supercornerbacks that have the ablitiy to cover one side of field like they were from Krypton, they have an S on their chest, them made this game ( passing wise ) to much like Madden. I think the only thing the guys at EA worried about was making Dynasty mode better, and the new running game, with option galore. I will still play it of course, but these guys need some people that play football to give them advice, I THINK EA SHOULD HIRE MAD BOMBER. Also , the computer running AI is a joke if you don't adjust the sliders. Playing online sucks, guys just throw lob passes all game, what is so fun about that. HEY LETS HIRE PROGRAMMING BRAINS TO MAKE A FOOTBALL GAME. They just need to get better input from real coaches and players. Maybe I am just getting picky, in 94 NCAA(sega), all you had to do is run the option and pitch it to the tailback and it was an automatic TD, becuase no one had responsiblity for the pitchman.

[nikP]

I may have to start going for the intentional pass interference. Getting a 15 yard penalty isn't as bad as giving up a 40 yard bomb :).


ummm....i dont follow college ball at all, just the pros.......ive never played NCAA just Madden (however i did win NCAA05 from VG here on a trivia qq and you guys have me SO not looking forward to trying it when i get it,lol)........BUTTTTTT,,,, since when is pass interference a 15 yd penalty? is this a college rule? wouldnt you still be giving up the 40 yard bomb as the ball would be spotted at the spot of the infraction?

[Farmer]

since when is pass interference a 15 yd penalty? is this a college rule? wouldnt you still be giving up the 40 yard bomb as the ball would be spotted at the spot of the infraction?



In college Pass Interference is a 15 yarder and an automatic first.
In the pros it's an automatic first and a spot foul.




-Farmer

[nikP]

ahhhh.....did not know that

[FOOOOOOL]

jus press L1

[mad_bomber]

The swat ball is effective if the db actually goes into the swat animation. For some reason (XBOX) when I switch to the db and use the swat ball, my player will just stand there and watch the guy catch it. I've been having to rely on the jump button and the Big Hit button.

[FlaPride]

I always seem to take the DB and when i go to swat the ball he moves out of the way and its off to the races. I try to just hit the receiver.

[seanmac]

I really haven't been having a problem against the deep ball by just playing nickel and dime cover 2 man. I give up maybe 2-3 deep balls a game, but I keep it low percentage enough that it doesn't end up hurting me. I don't take over the defender at all- I just let the CPU make the play. At most I'll reposition my safety a bit outside before the snap. It's possible that I just haven't run into anyone good enough to lob the ball all day and make user catches, but to this point it hasn't been a debilitating problem.