View Full Version : Theory: Long Ball and AB?
07-19-2004, 10:34 PM
I have been seating here thinking about all these threads about the long ball and Analog Blitz. Really, the long ball problem has been here in the game since the beginning of the series. Really it has always been way to many catches in double and triple coverages.
Why dont EA correct this? Or could they correct this? Who knows, but one thing I know for sure that the QB's need time to throw the long ball. Atleast 3-4 seconds to get the ball off. Presure causes poor throws and there timing is off.
For this reason here comes my theory. The analog blitz is in the game this year for some reason, and EA knew about it and didnt nothing to correct it, just tone it down abit it seems to me.
Which leads me to say, it EA couldnt correct the deep ball glitch, maybe they left us the AB to use to equal out the problem?
The AB is beatable am I right, but it puts more pressure on the QB with less time thus slowing down the deep passing plays and forcing players to empahize the short and intermidate passing game.
THIS IS JUST MY, THEORY, I'm not trying to endorse the AB or the Long Ball glitch, but has anybody looked at it this way?
07-19-2004, 11:04 PM
can someone please explain to me what is the audible blitz..ive heard of this many times and see on forums but im not sure what exactly is it...im sure ive had it done to me many times but i wouldnt know lol
07-19-2004, 11:05 PM
sorry im not sure if it is audible blitz...what ever it means :)
07-19-2004, 11:51 PM
Yeah I would also like to know what the AB is, I've heard it mentioned many times but have no clue what it is.
07-19-2004, 11:58 PM
I am not sur but i think it has to do with blitzing a man manually
07-20-2004, 04:53 AM
I don't think the AB is in there because of the long ball, nor do I think the long ball is in there due to the AB.
They are both side effects of lazy/bad programming.
The reason that the long ball works like it does is because the WR's CTH rating makes NO DISTINCTION between a 5 yard curl, and a 55 yard streak. As far as the game is concerned, the SAME factors apply. How hard was the ball thrown, and how open is the WR. NOTHING else matters in terms of catching the ball. That's why the long ball works so well, because EA's lazy programming fails to calculate that it is actually MUCH more difficult to catch a 60 yard streak that you have to adjust to, than an 8 yard hitch.
The AB is in the game because EA probably didn't learn about the AB until it was too late. The AB really didn't become popular online (and thus exposed as a glitch in the game) until late Febuary to Early March. By this time in the development stage, EA had probably ALREADY mapped out how controls were going to work, and decided that the improved OL pass blocking logic would serve as a bandaid until next year.
In order for EA to take out the AB, they will have to change it so that either A) Circle has a purpose for Coverage, line and lb audibles (ie it does something, such as tells them to play run/pass, or something of that nature), B) make it so that when you hit circle while coverage, lb, or dl audible is up, it nullifies the audible call or C) make the Analog MUCH more sensitive in terms of shifting players on defense (that's the reason it works - the game doesn't actually register that you are pressing down because you aren't pressing down far enough to cross the threshold). That's the only way to make it so that when you hit can't have circle held AT THE SNAP of the ball, with your guy moving down.
I'm just guessing here, because I know nothing about video game programming, but I'd bet that to do ANY of those things would probably take a SIGNFICANT portion of time in the developement stage, which EA probably didn't have by the time they figured out just how drastically the AB was affecting gameplay. Considering that the VAST majority of people who buy this game play MOST of their games offline, and don't even know about the AB (it's been in the series for over 3 years now, but hardly anybody knew about it until last year, when the game went online), they probably didn't think it was a top priority, compared to working out glitches in the physics engine, developing the AI, and fine tuning the graphics.
They didn't leave it in there as part of some grand scheme, they left it in there because they either didn't care enough about it to change their control scheme, or didn't have time.
07-20-2004, 09:19 AM
Rhombic I see ur point, I was just taking a different view of it. I dont think either was suppose to be in the game, but I dont think EA made a effort to get rid of it either knowing other problems the game had.
The analog blitz is now part of the filmroom, also many people dont want to spread the analog blitz anymore than what it has, so if you want, u can PM me and we can discuss it for anyone that wants to know about it.
07-20-2004, 10:21 AM
technically, it's not an AB. you can do it with the control pad aslo. i did it last night on several occasions
07-20-2004, 11:05 AM
DJ, u analog blitzed with the D pad also. This is worse than I thought. LOL.
07-20-2004, 12:06 PM
yeah, use the same set up as you would using the analog stick
me personally, i don't like the analog stick, call me old fashioned but i like the control pad...........always have. i don't care what the top ballers use, i know what works best for me and i have to go with that.
07-20-2004, 01:38 PM
I'm not even gonna ask how you managed to do it with the d-pad.
Y'all bring up good points. But as rhombic said, a good majority of the people play offline anyway. And in America, the majority wins. If the majority isn't voicing concerns about the AB, why waste the time to fix it instead of improving the blocking schemes and whatnots? Maybe it's because of the AB among other things that are driving people who once play online to stop playing online, but my point still stands.
07-20-2004, 01:42 PM
phrozzy, i already said how to do it, same way you AB blitz, just use the dpad
i agree though, i don't play online for those reasons. no matter what people complain about the way you play online. offline i can play friends that play the way i play and i don't have to hear how cheesey things are
07-20-2004, 02:32 PM
I dont think people stop playing online because of the AB. I just dont see that many threads of people complaining about it. Glitchers, thats a REAL PROBLEM and an whole new thread.
As for being cheesy, everyone has a different story on what is cheesy and what is not cheesy. I play in tournaments every year with the same people, and last year, in 3 of my 5 games I AB'd.
Well, you say Trojan, your being cheesy, one guy ask me to tell him how to do it before the game and I said no, cuz like am I asking what ur money plays are, no, so dont ask me cheeser. He ran Miami, and threw deep 80% percent of the time then he would pause the game, put a WR at QB and roll out every play. Oh ya, he aubliled downsub from hail mary to his 5 WR set.
I dont mind pulling the AB out and using it on someone like that. Also, what do u think about Bombers 4-3 enhanced blitz's? Someone told me that was cheating also. WTF? He said I was taking advantage of the glitches in the AI's blocking scheme and that was cheating. WTF?
07-20-2004, 02:46 PM
Well, like I said, its not just the AB. It's other things too that contribute to people quiting online play. Glitchers, so called cheesers, AB, *******s, egos, etc. Personally, I've never played online NCAA, but I don't intend to either. I did play online Rogue Spear and Team Fortress and I quit those either from lack of enjoyment or just *******s who think they're bad.
Anyway, onto cheesyness. Ummmmmm.....it's all subjective. If someone keeps running the same play over and over again and you can't stop it, not really his/her fault you can't play defense. (Let the Flaming begin..........be gentle please.) Now I think some people are just too proud to fight fire with fire. Fine more power to you. Some people are big winning at all costs, yet, at the same time, want to retain some sort of self-respect by not being "cheesy." NEWS FLASH: You're still losing!!!
....................I lost my train of thought.
To be Continued......maybe.
07-20-2004, 03:16 PM
If someone is beating me with a particular play over and over and I can't stop it even though I have the right strategy and plays called, then I may consider them to be cheesy. I usually won't say a word, I just choose not to play them again if it was really bad. To me, even if I can run the same play on someone all game long, I'm not, because it's not real football, and it's not fun for me. I have much more fun mixing up my play calling and I get satisfaction knowing I beat the guy with my knowledge and understanding of the game.
The only play that seems to need extra attention in this year's game is the deep ball. If the guy mixes it up enough for me to forget about the streaks, and continues to burn me when I'm not ready for it, I'd respect his game. I think it can be cheesy to run certain defenses all game too, and I know a play that will burn it, that is one time I will run it over and over to punish a guy for not mixing it up more. Then it's fun ;-)
07-20-2004, 04:48 PM
I have decided to play anyway I like....cause if I'm beating somone....THEY ARE GOING TO SAY I'M CHEESY NO MATTER WHAT....If I want a str8 game I'll join a league or something.
Or play a straight play vs someone I know in here.
07-20-2004, 04:49 PM
i don't do any of this audibling down, put a WR at qb, put a WR at TE, none of it it's all crap. granted, i understand being creative is being creative, but be realistic. oh yeah, and i play with UGA, you pick miami, i'm pickin UGA no changin. i'm runnin with who and what i know. you beat me fair and square with miami, then i just got my butt handed to me. i know a lot of people don't think that way, but that's me
07-20-2004, 05:48 PM
Could someone clear something up for me?
I don't understand why everyone picks the same teams (LSU, USC, OSU, Okla, Mia) over and over again. Now you may actually be a fan of these schools since your time in the womb but for the sake of argument......
Does the fact that you have a better chance of winning outweight the fact that maybe you, but definitely your opponent, is bored out your minds at seeing the same stadiums, the same team, the same mascots, the same colors over and over again? Does winning outweight having fun which is what games are all about? OK, you can have some fun if your winning. But how long does that victorious emotion last? How many of you out there that play online can seriously say, using your favorite teams, you've enjoyed a particular game you've played with a random person even if you've lost. Not too many I bet.
I understand you want to be #1 and win. So, lets say your #1 in the rankings........so what? Does it actually give you any social prestige (in real life I mean)? What exactly do you get? Satisfaction? Satisfaction from what? beating someone you don't know and probably will never see by using the best team in the game. I will stab the first person who mentions the tournament winners and prize money. Screw them, I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the average gamer, not the antisocial who spends 6-7 hours a day on this game so they can win $10,000 (I'm raving here, so no offense to those who really do that. Your good and all but you need go outside some. And I don't mean to the store across the street).
.....This is getting off-topic but it was fun. :D
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