Offensive Philosiphy?

[kbell97]

What is you Offensive Philosiphy? Do you have a spread offense, west coast, power running, balanced???

[Oech9]

Ball control- No turnovers is my key
and to eat up time
its ugly but usually effective since i mostly play with
Washington St

[TrojanNole]

Spread offense, Florida Sts Fast Break system, which is hard this year because of no true flares or swing passes. But working on some other ideas.

1. Throw to the RB's sideline to sideline, spreading the LBs.
2. Throw slants or run draws to the middle of the field, once the LB's are spread out to stop the RB's
3. Throw vertically, once the SS and FS come up to stop the draw or slants in the middle.

Basically most spreads run this way, just some go about it differently.

[Oech9]

do trojan do you script your first couple of plays

[TrojanNole]

YES, I do. I try to run my first series testing the Defense.

[TrojanNole]

I run the first 3 plays from 3 different formations to see how the defense reacts.

[Oech9]

so do you find most players to play
the same defense against certain formations

[d_neum80]

My original offensive philosiphy was running the fast break offense like TrojanNole, because I am also a huge fan of FSU. But I am looking for new concepts within the Spread Offense, because it is so hard to complete passes to the flats or on out routes, so it is very hard to spread the defense horizontally.

[TrojanNole]

Two plays I like for the fast break are:

Ace Trips: Look for the play with the HB in the swing.
ACe Bunch: Look for the same play.

Both are good plays that have swing passed in them, pass the ball to the back as sooon as the ball is snapped.

[TrojanNole]

Yes and No, seems lately, most ppl are playing Dime and Nickel, even againest my Wishbone Tight formation. I had one guys run the 4-4 on me the entire game no matter what offense I chose and he was effective againest me. He was down aubling from a dime or nickel personnel.

Most ppl, are going to watch and look to see what formation ur chosing and then chosing theyre defense. This has happened to me all the time.

Defensively, I'm going to run the 30 stack out of the gate, and make adjustments once I find out what formations the person likes.

[djwill13]

my philosophy is a little similar to trojan noles, but a lil different at the same time. i utilize my speedy recievers, but i also run the ball alot. i tend to run a lot of play action, so running the ball is a necessity. one formation i am absolutely falling in love with is the ace shotty trips. i can run or throw outta this formation, and the passing game is stellar. makes for a lot of quick reads

i'm tellin you guys, if you haven't tried the run n gun playbook it's awesome. that formation is in there. play around with it a lil and you'll be amazed at how well your passing attack gets

[d_neum80]

Trojan,

what playbook are you using???

[TrojanNole]

If u want a all spread PB, go with Hawaii's right now I'm expertimenting with South Carolinas because of the Wishbone tight with the SG formaitons

[maddenbowl62]

i run a balanced spread offense with buffalo playbook.

[K Freeman]

West Coast (ball control)
I Use 3 WR if 3rd WR is better than the TE
Other wise 2WR, 2RB, 1TE
(backs will have the most touches b/c of catches and carries)
I also Utilize plenty of screens and draws

I am also working on a spread offense as a chang up :cool:

[Bronco]

Gillman, Coryell, Martz, Turner, Zampese...of course, this isn't possible in NCAA, but that's what I do in Madden (play editor). I used to be a WCO guy (still am to an extent), but these days, I'm all about stretching the field vertically...

Personnel wise, I prefer 2RB/TE/2WR, RB/2TE/2WR, RB/TE/3WR...

[dmy365]

I'm very much a WCO guy as my ideal. One of the things I like about this year's version of the game is that you can't always run the offense you want based on the personell that you have. In the past, I could always pass for 275 yards + per game regardless of talent. Now if you have young receivers that get rattled in a heartbeat, you're probably better off running the ball more and throwing deep off of play action.

For formations, I like any of the ace 3 WR sets, and especially like any 2 back set with twins receivers. IMO, 2 back twins is the easiest way to both run and pass in the game. You can easily identify the defense for the running game and the passing game reads are also simple (ie high-low on the CB).

[mad_bomber]

I've gone exclusively with the shotgun spread offense similiar to what teams like Bowling Green, Utah, and Northwestern run. Even online I do this. I'm having lots of success running the ball from the shotgun. Just today I found a nice way to get the "gun triple" to work.

The formation and play I use is Shotgun 2B Slot 3WR Double Option. Motion the back who's assigned to receive the pitch on the option to the two receiver side. This turns the Shotgun 2B Slot formation into a Shotgun Trips formation. When you snap the ball you can give it to the back on the zone play with a guard pulling out in front or you can keep it with the quarterback and run in the opposite direction.

The cool part about the play is the guy you motioned out of the backfield will step off the line of scrimmage and get into pitch relationship with the quarterback once the quarterback keeps the ball and works down the line of scrimmage. If any of you have every paid attention to Clemson, Northwestern, Utah, and West Virginia then you have an idea of the type of play I'm referring to.

I've started to run the ball from the spread basically because guys were dropping 9 and 10 guys into coverage to slow down my passing game.

[d_neum80]

Bomber, what are your favorite formations to run using this offense???

[mad_bomber]

I use the Memphis, Bowling Green, and Texas Tech playbooks. The formations I use are Shotgun Ace, Ace Twins, 2B Slot, Trips, Y Trips, Spread, 5 WR, Bunch, and Normal. Off line I created a custom playbook that's all shotgun. I also have other nice running plays that I like to use. One in particular I'm considering putting in this week's film room.

[cant-stop-ricky]

I like to run n gun n the first half and 2nd half i like to run a whole lot more with plays like speed option ,power option,hb dive....with the occasional 2nd down play action deep ball it really keeps ur opp off balance.

[d_neum80]

I use the Memphis, Bowling Green, and Texas Tech playbooks. The formations I use are Shotgun Ace, Ace Twins, 2B Slot, Trips, Y Trips, Spread, 5 WR, Bunch, and Normal. Off line I created a custom playbook that's all shotgun. I also have other nice running plays that I like to use. One in particular I'm considering putting in this week's film room.

Bomber, when practicing with all the shotgun formations I'm only having success with routes that go over the middle (slants, digs, drags, etc.). Are there any other routes that you have found that attack the defense horizontally???

[mad_bomber]

The corner routes are difficult due to the superhuman abilities of the cornerbacks. The deep vertical routes that are working for me are the wheel routes. Especially if you can catch the defense in man coverage. With my passing game I primarily like to stick with the medium ranged passes to keep the chains moving. This really causes guys online to scramble to find a way of stopping my o. Using that philiosophy I can move the ball up and down the field. As we speak I'm working on plays to use against Dime and Nickel Max Cover.

[d_neum80]

Have you had any success with outs, comebacks, etc.??? Basically any type of out cut or flat route. I also like to keep moving the chains, it is very boring for me to throw it deep all day long.

[mad_bomber]

If I get one on one coverage on the outside I'm able to hit the deeper out routes and such. If I have a pass play called that has a deep out cut, I'll key the FS at the snap. If he rotates to the middle chances are I'll be able to hit the deep out cut because the defense is in cover 1 or 3. There's a play action pass in the Strong Normal formation that calls for the X receiver to run a 15 yard comeback. The tight end runs a dig and the Z receiver runs a deep post. At the snap of the ball if the FS rotates to the deep middle and if I have man coverage I immediatley without even looking at the receivers throw to the receiver running the comeback. If the safeties split, the play action will momentarily hold the linebackers and I'll go to either the post by the Z or the dig by the tight end. Against Cover 3 the deep comeback isn't there so I know instantly to go to the tight end.

Now online I rarely see much man to man coverage on the outsides. Usually once they see that I'm always in the gun they for the most part play zone and they use the zone blitz by manually rushing with one of the players who's assigned to blitz. I've been seeing a lot of Dime and Nickel Max Cover lately so thos defensive coverages makes it's tough to hit certain routes. I basically take what they give me and on occasion take what I want.

[kbell97]

Hey Mad Bomber , what are your thoughts on the Shotgun 5 wide Deep Comeback, pretty good vs. cover 0 OR 1, if you have time to throw.

[d_neum80]

Bomber,

I was just in practice mode running against Nickel and Dime Max Cover. I found a couple things that were pretty successful. Out of Shotgun Trips, the Clearout play and HB streak play. On Clearout you want to hit the outside WR running the angle route across the middle right when hit gets over the spot where the inside slot WR lined up. On the HB Streak play the same WR runs a hitch route then breaks across the middle, by the time that he breaks across the middle the defense has dropped back and he is wide open every time. Using these 2 plays I was able to pick up 5-10 every play as long as the WR didn't drop the ball.

[mad_bomber]

D,

Those are some good plays to use. I've also been able to use Shotgun Spread Corner Strike. Motion the slot receiver on the right side of the formation to the left and call a hot route for him to run the in route. The halfback will run through the line and hook in the middle. The slot guy that you motioned will run across the middle. The receiver on the single side runs a corner route and the middle receiver on the trips side also runs a corner route. The primary receiver is the outisde receiver on the trips side running the post route. The two under neath routes are good for holding the middle linebacker and the two corner routes force the safeties to widen. Thisi leaves a nice open void to hit the post route down the middle.

K,

Against man to man coverage on the outside and if I have time to throw those are the routes I look to hit.

[Equalizer]

Bomber,

I was just in practice mode running against Nickel and Dime Max Cover. I found a couple things that were pretty successful. Out of Shotgun Trips, the Clearout play and HB streak play. On Clearout you want to hit the outside WR running the angle route across the middle right when hit gets over the spot where the inside slot WR lined up. On the HB Streak play the same WR runs a hitch route then breaks across the middle, by the time that he breaks across the middle the defense has dropped back and he is wide open every time. Using these 2 plays I was able to pick up 5-10 every play as long as the WR didn't drop the ball.


D,

Those are some good plays to use. I've also been able to use Shotgun Spread Corner Strike. Motion the slot receiver on the right side of the formation to the left and call a hot route for him to run the in route. The halfback will run through the line and hook in the middle. The slot guy that you motioned will run across the middle. The receiver on the single side runs a corner route and the middle receiver on the trips side also runs a corner route. The primary receiver is the outisde receiver on the trips side running the post route. The two under neath routes are good for holding the middle linebacker and the two corner routes force the safeties to widen. Thisi leaves a nice open void to hit the post route down the middle.

K,

Against man to man coverage on the outside and if I have time to throw those are the routes I look to hit.

Flats and Quick outs to my TE and RB's work well for me vs this Max zone :D

[d_neum80]

Bomber,

How is it that you complete the deep outs and comeback routes?? Whenever I throw it the DB jumps all over it and swats it down.

[mad_bomber]

I throw the ball before the receiver comes out of his break. You have to be careful with some of the deep square outs. The cornerbacks stay in their back pedal for a good 15 yards down field before they even turn their back and run with the receiver. This coverage technique allows them the ability to see the routes as they happen.

For example with the play Ace Slot Deep Out, I'll send the flanker in short motion and snap the ball. Basically as soon as the quarterback raises his foot to signal for the receiver to go in motion and he puts his foot down I snap the ball. This short motion inside gives the receiver more room to work with on the outside. When I look to make the pass with the quarterback I'll take a five step drop and as soon as my quarterback's back foot hit's that fifth step, I fire the out pattern while slightly leading the receiver. If timed perfectly you'll be able to hit it with room to spare towards the sideline. The timing has to be perfect otherwise the cornerback will undercut the throw.

It takes quite a bit of practice to get the quarterback's drop synched with the depth of the receiver's route. I've been working on hitting corner routes to the outside receivers (not slot receivers) against man coverage using this approach.

[CrazyOldGuy]

Great question...

I have 5:

1. Run and Shoot... 4 wides,one back from shotgun,ace and flexbone, a pass first philosphy that will use draws and option plays to keep the defense at a disadvantage.

2. Noback- 5 wides...passing every down except when the qb draw is wide open

3. A basic 2 back attack that relies on a quick passing game, basic runs Iso, Sweeps etc

4. A 3 back power running game..lots of Maryland I and T, lots of off-tackle, dives and sweeps, I try not to use any option plays when using this attack and rarely throw.

5. A no huddle triple option team- I like to mix it up and run triple from a lot of different formations.

[kindbud]

VA Tech, West Coast Playbook.

Try to RUN the ball to the outside, then use WR Middle routes. PA Pass are key.

Try to RUN the ball inside. Then use plays with the Streaks and Posts to catch opponent off-guard.

You have to mix it up.