***Official Election Thread***

[resnor]

Dude - McCain was no better. There's no need to go there anymore - we've regurgitated who got money from who for weeks and both candidates got their "corporate" share.

The election is over. Obama won. Politics in DC are going to change. I don't care if you believe that or not. It's not my repsponsibility to convince you.

Nevada, YOU said that Obama WOULDN'T do those things. All I'm saying is, BE REAL, dude. Obama isn't going to change those things. He is just as corrupt as anyone else in Washington.

[sideoutshu]

Obama didn't win because black people voted for him. He won because everyone voted for him. Hispanics were HIS by 2/3rds, young voters were HIS 2to1, over 1/2 the women were his votes.

So you can choose to focus on how high the African American vote was or choose to focus on how high every demographic was and in his favor.

Someone already mentioned the comparisons between the crowds of the candidates last night. McCain had all one type of person. Obama's had everyone.

that has nothing to do with my post. My post was referring to the ignorant people claiming that my representation of black voters as traditionally anti-gay was "racist' rather then scientific fact proven once again in this election.

[Milwaukee]

Maybe now that black people are "the man" things will change.

Lol
Yep, black people run shyt. We are "the man" now :rolleyes:
You can't really believe half the shyt you say

[sanantonio]

So now you are a mind reader, and are able to know the intent of voters?

It's pretty obvious that people voted on race. What were the stats on black voters again?

Note, this is not me saying that McCain would have won if the black vote hadn't been so large. I realize that there were a ton of whites who voted for Obama. However, I'm merely talking about blacks voting for a black because of skin color.

The majority of blacks just want a fair shake not to over throw the man. And no I'm not a mind reader just been around enough in my lifetime to know how they feel. Call it sanans lifetime exit poll on blacks.

[resnor]

Then why did Obama dominate the Jewish vote?

Once again, I'm merely talking about the black vote. Just because a different race voted for Obama doesn't mean that another race couldn't have voted based on race.

[JoeJGibbs]

that has nothing to do with my post. My post was referring to the ignorant people claiming that my representation of black voters as traditionally anti-gay was "racist' rather then scientific fact proven once again in this election.

How would it be racist, when 'gay' is not a race of people.

[Bearfanmike20]

So you think people are grandstanding now? Or talking about it too much?
Is that correct?

I'm not the only one.. JJ... see below..


I agree with some of what you said, but the fact of the matter is that this is a MAJOR step in achieving the "ideal" equality that, we as American will probably won't reach, for numerous and obvious reasons. I would be the 1st to slap Obama supporters that parade around acting like blacks get a free pass just because he have a black President. If anything, we need to start changing our culture (sagging pants, slurred speech) to reflect the stride that we made today. We need to start living up to the expectations that have now been put into action.


Exactly... There is nothing wrong with being proud that a black man got into office...

But..... Some dudes out there are acting like they won the lottery and inevitbably that will only do one thing... drive a wall between races. Be happy... yes. Be proud YES.. EVERYBODY needs to be proud... but... Dont go T.O. in the cellebration. Thats what I'm saying.

Act like you've been there. Be better then the white counterparts of the past and DONT rub it in. Ya.. thats asking alot, but... if you truely believe in racial equality.. You'd do it cause its the right thing to do.


Thats if you TRUELY want equality.

[JoeJGibbs]

Lol
Yep, black people run shyt. We are "the man" now :rolleyes:
You can't really believe half the shyt you say

lol he doesn't.

[sideoutshu]

Are you serious? If anything, blacks are told on an everyday basis that racism doesn't exist, and that "we are harping on the past". Me and you both know that African Americans are probably more tolerant of whites than the other way around. If you don't agree with that, say hello to Peter Pan and the lost boys in Neverland for me, because you're obviously not present here in America.

Are you serious? You need to be honest with yourself man. i don't know where you live, but here in NYC, it is about as tolerant as it gets. One of my best friends is an Asian whose parents own a store in an area with alot of balck people. He says that BY FAR the most vicious racism he has ever endured has come from black people. Everything from physical violence to 8 year old kids going "ching chong ching chong" when he walks by. Of course, this happens in the inner city, so just like racism by whites in the South, alot of it is linked to education.

Black people have been taught that their being openly racist against others is acceptable. Do you think that if you said something anti-white to a black friend anyone would chastise you? Do you think that the same applies to white people?

[resnor]

How would it be racist, when 'gay' is not a race of people.

I believe the racist part came in with people saying that Side was racist for saying that blacks were anti-gay...not that blacks were racist for being anti-gay.

[Nevada_Ballin]

Nevada, YOU said that Obama WOULDN'T do those things. All I'm saying is, BE REAL, dude. Obama isn't going to change those things. He is just as corrupt as anyone else in Washington.

what i said was those things are about to change.

Obama played this election by the rules and beat the GOP at their own game. No need to be sore about that. And that doesn't mean Obama is not going to change how the game is played in DC. I beleive he absolutely will.

If he doesn't then I will be the first one on his asz about it. I don't belong to a party, i vote strictly on things I believe in. Obama told me he was going to get the lobbyists out - and i believe in getting the lobbyists out, therefore I expect to see it start happening come January. If not, then I will speak my displeasure like I have with the current president.

But I'm not going judge the Obama Presidency before he even takes office. We will see what happens in the first 100 days.

[sideoutshu]

The magic is that there's a new hope within the souls of millions of Americans. The cornerstone of that new hope rests in the belief that the same old politics in DC is going to change. The lobbyists can start packing their bags and Congress along with Obama will begin to work with each other, for the people, not for corporate or party interests.

WTF?!?! Are you serious? Obama just spent $600 million dollars. You don't think people are owed a few favors now? gimme a break man. That is true ignorance. Let's see if it happens k?

[CapnKill]

Bottom line is that there are dumb *** white people, there are dumb *** black people, there are dumb *** mexican people and there are dumb *** asian people out there.

Why we choose to treat these groups as majorities is beyond me.

[Bearfanmike20]

The problem is, Mike, that even if Obama gets his policies passed, I still disagree fundamentally with what his beliefs are.

So let me ask you this...

Lets say that his policies work... the economy improves.. the housing market improves and he does well...

Lets say he succeeds... then what.. will you just be mad cause he didn't do it the way you would or would you just accept the results...

Isn't that the bottom line.. results.

People are so process oriented that they fail to realize the importance of just getting it done.

[JoeJGibbs]

I'm not the only one.. JJ... see below..




Exactly... There is nothing wrong with being proud that a black man got into office...

But..... Some dudes out there are acting like they won the lottery and inevitbably that will only do one thing... drive a wall between races. Be happy... yes. Be proud YES.. EVERYBODY needs to be proud... but... Dont go T.O. in the cellebration. Thats what I'm saying.

Act like you've been there. Be better then the white counterparts of the past and DONT rub it in. Ya.. thats asking alot, but... if you truely believe in racial equality.. You'd do it cause its the right thing to do.


Thats if you TRUELY want equality.

I don't know. I can't speak on a statement of 'some dudes out there acting..etc etc..' I came to work today, I didn't see it.

Where did you experience these people? I would imagine that since you're near/in Chicago that emotions are still pretty high.

[sanantonio]

I'm not the only one.. JJ... see below..




Exactly... There is nothing wrong with being proud that a black man got into office...

But..... Some dudes out there are acting like they won the lottery and inevitbably that will only do one thing... drive a wall between races. Be happy... yes. Be proud YES.. EVERYBODY needs to be proud... but... Dont go T.O. in the cellebration. Thats what I'm saying.

Act like you've been there. Be better then the white counterparts of the past and DONT rub it in. Ya.. thats asking alot, but... if you truely believe in racial equality.. You'd do it cause its the right thing to do.


Thats if you TRUELY want equality.

Mike it has long been up to those in power to make this right racially and now all of sudden the burden falls on blacks because Obama is the President? People have waited long and hard for this and if they want to act as if they won the lotto then so be it, many many souls died for this moment and it is a victory well deserved. So forgive them if people crow to much but if you can't then there is always the Harlem AL quote :p.

[sideoutshu]

Lol
Yep, black people run shyt. We are "the man" now :rolleyes:
You can't really believe half the shyt you say

It was a joke man. Way to pick up on it. :rolleyes:

How did that vote on gay marraige turn out in California bud? 70% of black voted against it huh? I guess I was clarly being racist when I said Balcks vote anti-gay huh?

[JoeJGibbs]

I believe the racist part came in with people saying that Side was racist for saying that blacks were anti-gay...not that blacks were racist for being anti-gay.

I'll have to go back and read the thread... anyone know where it is now?
I dont feel like digging atm..

[Gtrght77]

Thank God the correct choice was made.

[sideoutshu]

How would it be racist, when 'gay' is not a race of people.

Sigh.... Several of the usual suspect were calling ME racist because they obviously are only "fair weather" followers of election politics and didn't know that blacks traditionally vote overwhelmingly anti-gay. They assumed since I said that blacks are traditionally anti gay, I was "racist" against blacks, when in fact I was simply correct.

[Paydirt404]

Thank God the correct choice was made.

Gtright77, you signed up to help move Bush shyt out the white house? I did....

[sanantonio]

I believe the racist part came in with people saying that Side was racist for saying that blacks were anti-gay...not that blacks were racist for being anti-gay.

Sides not racist he's cluelist :p

[resnor]

So let me ask you this...

Lets say that his policies work... the economy improves.. the housing market improves and he does well...

Lets say he succeeds... then what.. will you just be mad cause he didn't do it the way you would or would you just accept the results...

Isn't that the bottom line.. results.

People are so process oriented that they fail to realize the importance of just getting it done.

No, the bottom line is not all that matters. The economy IS going to improve. The housing market IS going to improve. If you think that Obama is going to be the catalyst behind all that, you're ignorant of basic economics. They would have improved with McCain, they would have improved if Bush somehow had a third term. They would have improved if I was elected President instead of Obama.

[Gtrght77]

Gtright77, you signed up to help move Bush shyt out the white house? I did....


LOL,


The entire GOP has to pack, we own the entire Government right now. :D

[Bearfanmike20]

Mike it has long been up to those in power to make this right racially and now all of sudden the burden falls on blacks because Obama is the President? People have waited long and hard for this and if they want to act as if they won the lotto then so be it, many many souls died for this moment and it is a victory well deserved. So forgive them if people crow to much but if you can't then there is always the Harlem AL quote :p.

The burden falls on us all reguardless of who is president.

[Gtrght77]

No, the bottom line is not all that matters. The economy IS going to improve. The housing market IS going to improve. If you think that Obama is going to be the catalyst behind all that, you're ignorant of basic economics. They would have improved with McCain, they would have improved if Bush somehow had a third term. They would have improved if I was elected President instead of Obama.


Sorry....


WRONG!!! Bush never made anything better by being there.

[resnor]

Sorry....


WRONG!!! Bush never made anything better by being there.

You're an idiot.

[Bearfanmike20]

No, the bottom line is not all that matters. The economy IS going to improve. The housing market IS going to improve. If you think that Obama is going to be the catalyst behind all that, you're ignorant of basic economics. They would have improved with McCain, they would have improved if Bush somehow had a third term. They would have improved if I was elected President instead of Obama.


Ignorance is the byproduct of a closed mind. You may be right... but the fact that you are sooo bent on believing that Obama will not be the catalyst and cant even admit that he may have somthing to do with any improvement that may happen make me wonder who is truely ignorant....

[Paydirt404]

No, the bottom line is not all that matters. The economy IS going to improve. The housing market IS going to improve. If you think that Obama is going to be the catalyst behind all that, you're ignorant of basic economics. They would have improved with McCain, they would have improved if Bush somehow had a third term. They would have improved if I was elected President instead of Obama.

...................

[resnor]

Ignorance is the byproduct of a closed mind. You may be right... but the fact that you are sooo bent on believing that Obama will not be the catalyst and cant even admit that he may have somthing to do with any improvement that may happen make me wonder who is truely ignorant....

Dude...with Obama's plans for taxes on businesses, you think that HE will be a "catalyst" for the economy? The economy, and the housing market, will improve IN SPITE of Obama's plans. The economy and housing market would have improved regardless of who was elected. There is nothing close-minded about that. By the way, isn't the stock market still down right now? I know it wasn't moving up earlier this morning...which is contrary to popular belief. Most believed that the market would rebound this morning, once the election results were settled.

[Gtrght77]

You're an idiot.

You are for voting for that idiot. Bush only made everything worse, He hasn't made ANYTHING better for anyone making less then 1.5 million per year.

[Milwaukee]

Sigh.... Several of the usual suspect were calling ME racist because they obviously are only "fair weather" followers of election politics and didn't know that blacks traditionally vote overwhelmingly anti-gay. They assumed since I said that blacks are traditionally anti gay, I was "racist" against blacks, when in fact I was simply correct.

What was the stat I posted about 04? I don't even remember b/c the topic is so pointless but I'm sure you remember. I just remember that it was clear cut evidence that said the exact opposite of everything you just stated.

And have you verified that I don't work with 5 gay guys? You know, since you live in NY and clearly know everything due to your experiences in NY....and based off of your experience in NY (since you live in NY) its not possible for 5 gay guys to work in the same establishment. Or have you humbled yourself yet?

[resnor]

You are for voting for that idiot. Bush only made everything worse, He hasn't made ANYTHING better for anyone making less then 1.5 million per year.

Keep the blinders on, man, keep the blinders on.

[Bearfanmike20]

Dude...with Obama's plans for taxes on businesses, you think that HE will be a "catalyst" for the economy? The economy, and the housing market, will improve IN SPITE of Obama's plans. The economy and housing market would have improved regardless of who was elected. There is nothing close-minded about that. By the way, isn't the stock market still down right now? I know it wasn't moving up earlier this morning...which is contrary to popular belief. Most believed that the market would rebound this morning, once the election results were settled.

ok.. you may be right... I dont know. I do know that as long as there is progress and he doesn't screw it up... that is on some level success.. the the amount of progress dictates the ammount of success.

[JoeJGibbs]

No, the bottom line is not all that matters. The economy IS going to improve. The housing market IS going to improve. If you think that Obama is going to be the catalyst behind all that, you're ignorant of basic economics. They would have improved with McCain, they would have improved if Bush somehow had a third term. They would have improved if I was elected President instead of Obama.

I think looking at the reverse view of your statement may be important as well because I think that's the fairest way.

I guess what I'm saying is:

Let's argue that the President has no bearing on the economy.
Clinton was in the right place at the right time.
Bush was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Economies go in cycles, but when was the last time it fell into the pit of dispair that we're in now -- 30's?

Why in the decades of down economies have we not fallen this far until now?

I'm not asking facetiously. I'm really curious about the answer to this from people who are more savy than I am about this subject.

[Harlem AL]

*Shakes head at such ignorance and Leaves thread*

[SUC4Life1116]

Are you serious? You need to be honest with yourself man. i don't know where you live, but here in NYC, it is about as tolerant as it gets. One of my best friends is an Asian whose parents own a store in an area with alot of balck people. He says that BY FAR the most vicious racism he has ever endured has come from black people. Everything from physical violence to 8 year old kids going "ching chong ching chong" when he walks by. Of course, this happens in the inner city, so just like racism by whites in the South, alot of it is linked to education.

Black people have been taught that their being openly racist against others is acceptable. Do you think that if you said something anti-white to a black friend anyone would chastise you? Do you think that the same applies to white people?

I live in Texas. I believe that its safe to say that our geographical locations supports both of our arguements.

[resnor]

I think looking at the reverse view of your statement may be important as well because I think that's the fairest way.

I guess what I'm saying is:

Let's argue that the President has no bearing on the economy.
Clinton was in the right place at the right time.
Bush was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Economies go in cycles, but when was the last time it fell into the pit of dispair that we're in now -- 30's?

Why in the decades of down economies have we not fallen this far until now?

I'm not asking facetiously. I'm really curious about the answer to this from people who are more savy than I am about this subject.

I'm probably not more savvy than you...however, you had the economy going down a bit...then, compounded by the housing market (which COULD have been prevented). By the way, in the early 90's, the housing market went way down. My dad was a builder. I remember that for a long time, we didn't know where we were going to get our next meal. We lived on pasta, not with sauce, just pasta, for quite awhile. So, to act like we haven't been in dire times like these, I would disagree. At least in my life, I've been through worse times than what I'm in right now.

[Paydirt404]

I live in Texas. I believe that its safe to say that our geographical locations supports both of our arguements.

SUC, what ever happened to 50/50 Twin?

[ahr19]

Bottom line is that there are dumb *** white people, there are dumb *** black people, there are dumb *** mexican people and there are dumb *** asian people out there.

Why we choose to treat these groups as majorities is beyond me.

You forgot about the dumb *** Romanians! :p

[sling]

Well, if we don't give Obama credit when the economy does go up, then we better not blame him if the economy goes down too.

BTW, the president has very little to do with the economy.

[miracle]

Well, if we don't give Obama credit when the economy does go up, then we better not blame him if the economy goes down too.

BTW, the president has very little to do with the economy.

people didnt think this when bush was president...

[sling]

people didnt think this when bush was president...

The economy wasn't that bad during Bush's presidency. It was the deficit that he put our country into by going to a war with Iraq, that most people didn't agree with.

[SUC4Life1116]

SUC, what ever happened to 50/50 Twin?

Either he got locked up, or fell off. I think its the 1st though

[Nevada_Ballin]

i'm very amused at how butthurt the conservatives in here are. They think the Anti-Christ is now the president and we're all gonna die in the next 4 years.

(If you guys can lump "liberals" all into one box then I can do the same with conservatives just for fun, I'll pick the McSame conservative box - all of you think Obama is the Anti-Christ :D )

Again, it's pretty funny how butthurt some of the right wingers are. To paraphrase your candidate from last night, "the American people have spoken and spoken clearly"

At least McCain is man enough to say he'll be of whatever help Obama needs to begin turning things around for America.That's a lot more than any of the conservatives in here are willing to do. :)

lol@ sideout's thread about "are you better off now?" and then saying he's going to ask that question in 3 years from now. The ulitmate butthurt thread right there. Save us the discontent and actually wait 3 years before you ask.

[JoeJGibbs]

i'm very amused at how butthurt the conservatives in here are. They think the Anti-Christ is now the president and we're all gonna die in the next 4 years.
.
Well on tv and movies, the only time a black dude becomes President of the U.S. is if the world is about to end.

Tidal wave, large meteor etc.. :p

[sideoutshu]

At least McCain is man enough to say he'll be of whatever help Obama needs to begin turning things around for America.That's a lot more than any of the conservatives in here are willing to do. :)

lol@ sideout's thread about "are you better off now?" and then saying he's going to ask that question in 3 years from now. The ulitmate butthurt thread right there. Save us the discontent and actually wait 3 years before you ask.

Could you be any more of a hypocrite? You have been Bush bashing in the SB for the last 3 years and now that your candidate won you preach about "uniting behind the president"? Go crawl back under your rock.

[R-ILLA]

Hey sideout at least you should feel like anythings possible since you both are lawyers. One day you can become the head puppet in charge.

I've read through this thread and Im trying to feel the hope but I cant be duped by these parties no matter the color. Both sides are crazy especially the anti-christ isth.

This is what I get from this election. Nearly 1/2 the vote went to old a$$ mini Bush. The rest to the B.O. I guess alot of people dont want "change". A few more are reaching for a false hope. Looking for a leader to help inspire their children. Its messed up that it even has to be like that. Until I'm proven wrong, this cat will not succeed with those promises. Just another talking head.

[Milwaukee]

Hey sideout at least you should feel like anythings possible since you both are lawyers. One day you can become the head puppet in charge.

I've read through this thread and Im trying to feel the hope but I cant be duped by these parties no matter the color. Both sides are crazy especially the anti-christ isth.

This is what I get from this election. Nearly 1/2 the vote went to old a$$ mini Bush. The rest to the B.O. I guess alot of people dont want "change". A few more are reaching for a false hope. Looking for a leader to help inspire their children. Its messed up that it even has to be like that. Until I'm proven wrong, this cat will not succeed with those promises. Just another talking head.

I think this is the most realistic view.....I used to "believe", now its just more of the same. In the end, the same wealthy people will be wealthy, while the rest of us cattle will be on forums arguing over why the other set of cattle picked the wrong wealthy guy

[bk1998]

BK,

With all due respect I think you may be missing the broader view of this issue. I understand your frustrations with the voting system that we have in place. IMO, there are many, many flaws with it. However, that's the small picture. The big picture is that we even have a voting system at all.

So while it is flawed, yes. We all need to be thankful for the fact that we at least have it. Many people gave their lives for us to be able to have it. Possibly even someone along your family tree.

There are many other inhabitants of other countries out there that would LOVE to have one insignificant vote that is worth less than their peers in Sandusky, OH.

"You better eat that, there's starving children in Africa..."

While we are allowed to voice our displeasure with the system, we need to be thankful for the fact that we're allowed to have a voice in the first place.

Bullcrap. Why should anyone ever settle? Settle for something because it's better than nothing? That's a real go nowhere stance.

The system sucks. Big picture. Sucks.

I understand the sacrifices and history and all that. Moreso than most. But that's not going to make me settle for something that's unacceptable.

[bk1998]

Strange because it looks like a blowout by both the popular vote and electoral vote to me.

I wouldn't go around telling people that if I were you. :rolleyes:

[bk1998]

Evad vs BK is a pretty funny battle.....you guys always bring a chuckle out with your back and forth

:) I know I get a kick out of it too. I hope he does as well.

[bk1998]

want some whine with that cheese?

Want some media mindwash with your media-controlled candidates?

[metal]

Bullcrap. Why should anyone ever settle? Settle for something because it's better than nothing? That's a real go nowhere stance.

The system sucks. Big picture. Sucks.

I understand the sacrifices and history and all that. Moreso than most. But that's not going to make me settle for something that's unacceptable.

bk,

Then I can't help but ask you what your doing in effort to change things and not settle, because after all:


Change starts with you.

You want change? Enact it.

The real "go nowhere stance" is settling with not actively going out and changing things.

[bk1998]

bk,

Then I can't help but ask you what your doing in effort to change things and not settle, because after all:

If I had a dollar for every time I've written a letter to my elected representatives...

Pretty sure voicing displeasure about a broken system is doing more than accepting it because "it's better than not being able to vote at all." Right?

[metal]

If I had a dollar for every time I've written a letter to my elected representatives...

Pretty sure voicing displeasure about a broken system is doing more than accepting it because "it's better than not being able to vote at all." Right?

Apparently it isn't doing enough for you however, your still very upset with the system.

It sounds like you need to take further action than just a letter to your reps. Or "settle" once again.

[bk1998]

Apparently it isn't doing enough for you however, your still very upset with the system.

It sounds like you need to take further action than just a letter to your reps. Or "settle" once again.

You're damn right... Of course it's not enough. One should never "settle." Are you suggesting that settling for something is the best course of action?

The day I settle for anything that affects me will be the day I die.

[metal]

You're damn right... Of course it's not enough. One should never "settle." Are you suggesting that settling for something is the best course of action?

The day I settle for anything that affects me will be the day I die.

I'm suggesting that appreciating and using our right to vote is the best course of action, even if you don't 100% agree with the system.

One could definitely argue that your settling for the status quo by not making your voice (vote) heard. However that "One" is not me - I don't care nearly that much to go to those efforts. :p

[bk1998]

I'm suggesting that appreciating and using our right to vote is the best course of action, even if you don't 100% agree with the system.

One could definitely argue that your settling for the status quo by not making your voice (vote) heard. However that "One" is not me - I don't care nearly that much to go to those efforts. :p

I think it's funny when people try to suggest that voting for the President is the only way to have "your voice heard."

As if no one has ever heard my pleas, arguments, or rants. lol

[metal]

I think it's funny when people try to suggest that voting for the President is the only way to have "your voice heard."

As if no one has ever heard my pleas, arguments, or rants. lol

I would not dare suggest that :) There are many ways to "have your voice heard". A letter to your representative was ONE of those many ways.

However your vote in a democracy when regarding an election is the equivalent of your voice.

[bk1998]

I would not dare suggest that :) There are many ways to "have your voice heard". A letter to your representative was ONE of those many ways.

However your vote in a democracy when regarding an election is the equivalent of your voice.

Not when your vote doesn't mean anything in an electoral system.

Do you consider the votes of all Obama supporters in Georgia suppressed? What exactly does their vote represent? Zero electoral votes for Obama.

[metal]

Not when your vote doesn't mean anything in an electoral system.

Do you consider the votes of all Obama supporters in Georgia suppressed? What exactly does their vote represent? Zero electoral votes for Obama.

I live in the state of Illinois. Illinois will be democrat no matter what. So I understand those Georgia voters as much as anyone.

I still vote anyway for various reasons we've already went over. Sometimes my vote is Republican, sometimes it's Democratic sometimes other.

I patiently await your movement to change the electoral college , I'll even follow ya! ;)

[sling]

How is voting for a person, based solely on skin color NOT racist? Oh yeah, it's only racist if you vote for a WHITE man based on his skin color.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yup this is what bothers me so much. People want to be so politically correct that they are afraid to call out minorities being racist when its is completely obvious. I'm not butt hurt at all over the election, in fact even though I wanted neither Obama or McCain, I would have preferred Obama. However if you're going to call a white person a racist when he doesn't vote for Obama because hes black, then the people who voted for Obama because he is black are racist as well. BTW I'm not white, I just don't like it when their is inconsitency in calling out things.

According to dictionary.com

Racism-
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

Here is an interesting fact according to CNN.com exit polls:

In 2004, 88% of the black population voted for the major democratic candidate (Kerry), and 58% of the white population voted for the major republican candidate (Bush). In 2008, 95% of the black population voted for the major democratic candidate (Obama), and 57% of the white population voted for the major republican candidate (McCain). So according to the statistics, one can conclude that there was a higher degree of voting based of race amongst black people, while there was a decrese in voting based on race amongst whie people. However one can also include that Obama's campaign got more voters out who woudn't have voted in previous years. One thing is for sure though, there was definitely not an increase in white people voting repubican because Obama is black. There was actually a 1 % decrease.

Stats don't lie.

[bk1998]

I live in the state of Illinois. Illinois will be democrat no matter what. So I understand those Georgia voters as much as anyone.

I still vote anyway for various reasons we've already went over. Sometimes my vote is Republican, sometimes it's Democratic sometimes other.

I patiently await your movement to change the electoral college , I'll even follow ya! ;)

I'll gladly proofread your letters to your elected officials.



Q: What efforts have been made to change the Electoral College?

A: Several attempts have been made to get rid of the Electoral College, the last significant effort coming in 1969, when the House of Representatives passed 338-70 an amendment abolishing the Electoral College. The amendment died when it only received 54 votes in the Senate, 13 short of the required two-thirds. While this effort was ultimately unsuccessful, the overwhelming vote in the House shows that getting such an amendment passed is possible. Adding further proof that such an amendment is not only possible, but is favored by the great majority of Americans, a 1966 Gallup poll found that 63% of Americans favored a direct population of the president; a 2000 poll found that 61% did.

[Keyza Soulsay]

Stats don't lie.
No, but they can deceive.

[metal]

I'll gladly proofread your letters to your elected officials.

When my disdain for the current system reaches the level that yours has , to the extents that I no longer exercise one of my civil rights and duties and I feel I need to make a change, I'll take you up on that offer if it still stands. :)

[bk1998]

When my disdain for the current system reaches the level that yours has , to the extents that I no longer exercise one of my civil rights and duties and I feel I need to make a change, I'll take you up on that offer if it still stands. :)


I patiently await your movement to change the electoral college , I'll even follow ya! ;)

So which is it? Are you in or out?

[zerowley]

In 2004, 88% of the black population voted for the major democratic candidate (Kerry), and 58% of the white population voted for the major republican candidate (Bush). In 2008, 95% of the black population voted for the major democratic candidate (Obama), and 57% of the white population voted for the major republican candidate (McCain). So according to the statistics, one can conclude that there was a higher degree of voting based of race amongst black people, while there was a decrese in voting based on race amongst whie people. However one can also include that Obama's campaign got more voters out who woudn't have voted in previous years. One thing is for sure though, there was definitely not an increase in white people voting repubican because Obama is black. There was actually a 1 % decrease.

Stats don't lie.

I completely agree with your premise and hate the overly-PC crap as much as anyone, but those stats have no context.

In 2004 things were much better than they are now. Independent voters were much more likely to vote Republican in 2004 than they were this year and I think that makes up a large part of the increase in democratic votes by blacks.

I have no doubt that there were people whose vote was determined by the skin color of the candidates, and that's sad, but I don't believe it made up the 7% increase.

[metal]

So which is it? Are you in or out?

As both quotes clearly state: I would follow the proposed change in the electoral college, if the masses that disagree with the current system so much would put forth the change.

[A Disciple]

Well on tv and movies, the only time a black dude becomes President of the U.S. is if the world is about to end.

Tidal wave, large meteor etc.. :p
lol, Morgan Freeman in Deep Impact... Zues in 5th Element... and crazy stuff been goin on in 24 for like 6 seasons now!!! lol

[CapnKill]

lol, Morgan Freeman in Deep Impact... Zues in 5th Element... and crazy stuff been goin on in 24 for like 6 seasons now!!! lol

Ahhh hah.. ZEUS!!! Thats funny, cause when he was in the WWF he couldn't talk. All he did was yell and foam at the mouth and smack his little metalic wristbands together ...

[A Disciple]

Ahhh hah.. ZEUS!!! Thats funny, cause when he was in the WWF he couldn't talk. All he did was yell and foam at the mouth and smack his little metalic wristbands together ...
lol, do you remember "No Holds Barred"?

[metal]

lol, do you remember "No Holds Barred"?

I actually liked that movie :p

[Gtrght77]

lol, Morgan Freeman in Deep Impact... Zues in 5th Element... and crazy stuff been goin on in 24 for like 6 seasons now!!! lol


Watching that now.



Not only that, but we will have a black president during the time that the Mayans predicted would be the end of the world. Dec 2012

[kevin21boston]

is this sh1t official yet or what?

on yahoo it still says that missouri and north carolina are still pending


any number on voter turnout?

[klink923]

AP called North Carolina for Obama today. I think McCain got Missouri yesterday.

[Thong Sniffa]

Yup this is what bothers me so much. People want to be so politically correct that they are afraid to call out minorities being racist when its is completely obvious. I'm not butt hurt at all over the election, in fact even though I wanted neither Obama or McCain, I would have preferred Obama. However if you're going to call a white person a racist when he doesn't vote for Obama because hes black, then the people who voted for Obama because he is black are racist as well. BTW I'm not white, I just don't like it when their is inconsitency in calling out things.

According to dictionary.com

Racism-
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

Here is an interesting fact according to CNN.com exit polls:

In 2004, 88% of the black population voted for the major democratic candidate (Kerry), and 58% of the white population voted for the major republican candidate (Bush). In 2008, 95% of the black population voted for the major democratic candidate (Obama), and 57% of the white population voted for the major republican candidate (McCain). So according to the statistics, one can conclude that there was a higher degree of voting based of race amongst black people, while there was a decrese in voting based on race amongst whie people. However one can also include that Obama's campaign got more voters out who woudn't have voted in previous years. One thing is for sure though, there was definitely not an increase in white people voting repubican because Obama is black. There was actually a 1 % decrease.

Stats don't lie.

Every News Organization that I saw break down who voted for what came to the conclusion that race had little to do with it.

Here is what i see that's wrong with your analysis. You use the word "population", maybe you should have said voters? Because if a higher percentage of the population votes and that population votes democrat REGARDLESS of who is running (Black people are by far democrat), then those numbers go up. Secondly, in a bad economy the people most negatively affected are the groups who are lower on the economic totem pole. Those people are more likely going to vote for more government control, i.e Democrat. Now, if you told me that Blacks are showing more excitement that Barack is black, then I would agree with you. But the fact is black people vote for whoever the democratic nominee is. If Obama was a Black Republican and won, then you'd have something.

[Thong Sniffa]

AP called North Carolina for Obama today. I think McCain got Missouri yesterday.


Wouldn't it be funny if Obama came out and said "ahhh, just give John those undeclared states.."

[BluEStorm_47]

We wrong for the second time in 100 years...

It's a sign!!! lol...

[sling]

Every News Organization that I saw break down who voted for what came to the conclusion that race had little to do with it.

Here is what i see that's wrong with your analysis. You use the word "population", maybe you should have said voters? Because if a higher percentage of the population votes and that population votes democrat REGARDLESS of who is running (Black people are by far democrat), then those numbers go up. Secondly, in a bad economy the people most negatively affected are the groups who are lower on the economic totem pole. Those people are more likely going to vote for more government control, i.e Democrat. Now, if you told me that Blacks are showing more excitement that Barack is black, then I would agree with you. But the fact is black people vote for whoever the democratic nominee is. If Obama was a Black Republican and won, then you'd have something.

Oh I agree, there could be a number of reasons why the voter percentage increased. I was just saying that there was actually more of a white vote for the democratic party than in the past two years. So I don't think racism towards black people was that much of a factor in this election.

[Thong Sniffa]

Oh I agree, there could be a number of reasons why the voter percentage increased. I was just saying that there was actually more of a white vote for the democratic party than in the past two years. So I don't think racism towards black people was that much of a factor in this election.

Yup. The Middle Class is really hurting economically and voted against what they thought the reason for the bad economy was.

But man, I'm proud that enough Americans didn't let Race affect their vote.

[Nevada_Ballin]

Hypothetical question, who wins in this election scenario:

Dem - Barack Obama
Rep - Colin Powell


??

[Swift456]

Hypothetical question, who wins in this election scenario:

Dem - Barack Obama
Rep - Colin Powell


??

Barack easy......................


Powell was with Bush

[543 Double Play]

Hypothetical question, who wins in this election scenario:

Dem - Barack Obama
Rep - Colin Powell


??

i like colin

[Keyza Soulsay]

Hypothetical question, who wins in this election scenario:

Dem - Barack Obama
Rep - Colin Powell


??
Logic loop- *head explodes*

[Nevada_Ballin]

Logic loop- *head explodes*

lol.............

[Bearfanmike20]

Hypothetical question, who wins in this election scenario:

Dem - Barack Obama
Rep - Colin Powell


??

Barack the ROOOOCK OOOOOOBAAAAAAMAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!


Actually.. I dont know. Sounds like a title fight to me for 2012

[CapnKill]

lol, do you remember "No Holds Barred"?

Unfortunately I do :( I think he had a couple of lines in that one as well :)

[CapnKill]

is this sh1t official yet or what?

on yahoo it still says that missouri and north carolina are still pending


any number on voter turnout?

Hmm? I don't think it matters... McCain can't win even with those .