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Nevada_Ballin
02-12-2009, 01:45 AM
.... from the stimulus package. This is how your cities and states want to spend the money that may be allocated to them >> http://www.stimuluswatch.org/project/by_state

You can also vote your approval +/- on each project.

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Nevada_Ballin
02-12-2009, 04:43 PM
so what kind of pork is your city/state asking to fund?

Some things Reno is asking for:

Install new and upgrade existing traffic signals to energy efficient technology; upgrade video detection system for traffic signals; replace traffic signal controllers with smart technology to lower vehicle idling time and reduce travel time.
$19,375,000.00 - 551 jobs - Streets/Roads Program
*Loks like it'll employ some people but it doesn't say whose making the parts (china i'm guessing)

Rehabilitation & preventative maintenance of surface streets throughout city
$18,500,000.00 - 528 jobs - Streets/Roads Program
*This is much neded here.

2009 Sanitary Sewer CIPP Lining Project - large diameter sewer pipe rehabilitation
$4,350,000.00 - 124 jobs - Water Program
*Again much needed

South Virginia Retail Development - invest in the businesses along South Virginia, a main a in the form of facade improvements and small business loans
$3,000,000.00 - 86 jobs - CDBG Program
*The small biz loans could open the door to more than 86 jobs

Regional Trail Rehabilitation Project Phase 2: Project provides required rehabilitation to existing asphalt regional trails that will enhance the use of non-vehicular travel throughout the regional park system.
$44,000.00 - 2 jobs - CDBG Program
*This is a waste

Shooting house for live fire: will accomodate all of the department and SWAT team.
$600,000.00 - 8 jobs - Public Safety Program
*Another waste. There's no way this creates 8 jobs, let alone sustain them. There's 100's of miles of barren land here, they can practice there.

TheRealist
02-14-2009, 09:16 PM
I consider myself to have an intelligence level about a little better than average, so maybe someone could explain to me (or direct me to a link) that can explain this.

Take the project Nevada just posted:

Rehabilitation & preventative maintenance of surface streets throughout city
$18,500,000.00 - 528 jobs - Streets/Roads Program

Okay, I'm reading this and thinking that this might be a good idea since it in effect is creating jobs, which is why here are my questions.

This equal out to approx. $35,037.88 for each worker...which is a decent salary for labor.

But, would each worker actually receive that amount?

How much is dedicated to the actual project (materials cost, transportation costs, etc.) if it in effect doesn't produce any revenue? In this case, it would seem like each worker is only paid (Project Budget Amount-Cost of Project/528). Since the cost of the project is variable, how does this amount give a decent salary to the 528 with jobs?

Also, how is employment sustained over the long term if the project only lasts a month?

I don't get it. What is the proposal aiming to do and how is it aiming to do it? My logic tells me that it can create jobs, but that there is an unintended consequence on the State when these projects turn out to be underbudgeted and they are unable to either finish the contract or honor the contract (the wages of the workers) without it costing substantially more than the proposal entitles.

Enlighten me.

**Edit**

Okay, so this must not be 35K for a year but only for a couple of months. But how many? How can we make a value decision based on so little data? Like what is the approx. time this project will take to complete?

I just don't know how any of these projects with regard to restoring monuments and infrastructure do much. I will say that they provide jobs...but extremely short-term ones at that. I don't quite see how this proposes to "solve" anything over a large time series.

Nevada_Ballin
02-15-2009, 01:33 PM
I consider myself to have an intelligence level about a little better than average, so maybe someone could explain to me (or direct me to a link) that can explain this.

Take the project Nevada just posted:

Rehabilitation & preventative maintenance of surface streets throughout city
$18,500,000.00 - 528 jobs - Streets/Roads Program

Okay, I'm reading this and thinking that this might be a good idea since it in effect is creating jobs, which is why here are my questions.

This equal out to approx. $35,037.88 for each worker...which is a decent salary for labor.

But, would each worker actually receive that amount?

How much is dedicated to the actual project (materials cost, transportation costs, etc.) if it in effect doesn't produce any revenue? In this case, it would seem like each worker is only paid (Project Budget Amount-Cost of Project/528). Since the cost of the project is variable, how does this amount give a decent salary to the 528 with jobs?

Also, how is employment sustained over the long term if the project only lasts a month?

I don't get it. What is the proposal aiming to do and how is it aiming to do it? My logic tells me that it can create jobs, but that there is an unintended consequence on the State when these projects turn out to be underbudgeted and they are unable to either finish the contract or honor the contract (the wages of the workers) without it costing substantially more than the proposal entitles.

Enlighten me.

**Edit**

Okay, so this must not be 35K for a year but only for a couple of months. But how many? How can we make a value decision based on so little data? Like what is the approx. time this project will take to complete?

I just don't know how any of these projects with regard to restoring monuments and infrastructure do much. I will say that they provide jobs...but extremely short-term ones at that. I don't quite see how this proposes to "solve" anything over a large time series.

Obviously there are costs for materials. But i did some research on the state's employment website anf they do have job openings now listed. "Highway Construction Aid" - the lowest on the pay scale starts at "$24,000-$35,000" a year (most likely a newbie gets $24K). Of course not everyone on the job is going to be a newbie, there will be a mix of old supervisors, guys with a couple years in and then some newbies.