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bk1998
03-05-2009, 02:39 PM
President Obama is getting pushback from members of his own party who are questioning his vow to end wasteful spending.

Per the main story on CNN.com right now.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/05/obama.pork/index.html


(CNN) -- As a spending bill loaded with pork makes its way through Congress, President Obama is getting pushback from members of his own party who are questioning his vow to end wasteful spending.

The president on Wednesday pledged turn tide on an "era of fiscal irresponsibility," reiterating his campaign promise that the days of "pork ... as a strategy" are over.

And in a prime-time address before a joint session of Congress, Obama last week praised the $787 billion stimulus package signed into law, telling the nation, "I'm proud that we passed a recovery plan free of earmarks, and I want to pass a budget next year that ensures that each dollar we spend reflects only our most important national priorities."

But some in the audience found that hard to swallow.

"There was just a roar of laughter -- because there were earmarks," said Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Missouri.

Earmarks, sometimes called "pork," are unrelated pet projects that members of Congress insert in spending bills.

The scoffing continues as the president hammers away at reducing wasteful spending and saving taxpayers money while lawmakers on Capitol Hill load up a spending bill with more than 8,000 earmarks totaling nearly $8 billion.

The legislation in question is a $410 billion omnibus bill that would keep the federal government running through the rest of the fiscal year, which ends in September 2009.

According to Taxpayers for Common Sense, a group that monitors government spending, the bill includes:


Nearly $1.8 million for pig odor research in Iowa


$950,000 for a convention center in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina


$143,000 for a natural history museum in Las Vegas


$238,000 for the Polynesian Voyaging Society in Hawaii

About 60 percent of the earmarks are from Democrats, and about 40 percent are from Republicans, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense.

Ryan Alexander, the president of the Taxpayers for Common Sense, pointed out that not all earmarks are bad.

"They're not always good or bad. What's bad is the process. We don't know why certain projects get earmark funds and why other projects don't. Some of them may be good. But that could be just as well by accident as it is by design, because we have no idea why these projects are funded and why other projects aren't," he said.

Earlier this week, 14 Democratic senators met to talk about their concerns with the spending. On Wednesday, Democratic Sens. Evan Bayh and Russ Feingold called on Obama to veto the bill.

"But the bloated omnibus requires sacrifice from no one, least of all the government. It only exacerbates the problem and hastens the day of reckoning," Bayh wrote in a Wall Street Journal editorial published Wednesday.

Democrats blocked amendments by Sens. John McCain, R-Arizona, and Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma, that would have narrowed the spending on earmarks.

"So much for the promise of change. This may be -- in all the years I have been coming to this floor to complain about the earmark pork barrel corruption that this system has bred, this may be probably the worst, probably the worst," McCain said Tuesday.

The spending bill made it through the House last week. A vote in the Senate could come as early as Thursday, but it's unclear if there are the 60 votes necessary to sent it to the floor since some Democrats aren't supporting it.

Obama is expected to sign the bill when it reaches his desk.

But Democrats speaking out against the pork could just be flexing their muscles, said CNN contributor Roland Martin.

"I would love to see these same Democrats have the courage to actually stand up, look their fellow senators in the eye, Democrats and Republicans, and say, OK, let's get rid of your particular project," he said.

"What often happens in Congress is, they complain in terms of the general ... What I am saying is, call them out. Put it on the table," he said.

Those defending the earmarks say they make up just a small portion -- less than 1 percent -- of the overall bill.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, on Thursday defended congressional earmarks, despite calls from the White House earlier this week to reform the process.

"The legislatively initiated proposals in the appropriations bill, I think, are an appropriate function of Congress of the United States," Pelosi said.

But Pelosi said she does believe Congress should cut back on the number of earmarks.

Pelosi said after Congress finishes the $410 billion spending bill for this year, she planned to work with the Obama administration to find ways to reduce the number of earmarks in future spending bills.

The White House says this bill is just last year's unfinished business -- and next time, it will be different.


"We'll change the rules going forward," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Wednesday when asked about the legislation.

Obama presented his budget summary to Congress last week, but the full details of his 2010 budget won't be available until April.

TheSphinx 2.0
03-05-2009, 11:32 PM
I was on a plane back from Tokyo last night when I read Sen. Bayh's op-ed piece in the Journal. I thought it was pretty solid. I am glad to see this coming from the Democrats. If they can get ownership of this issue and work to fix it then we could be looking at a pretty positive public response. I hope the party as a whole get on this. This is definately something that most Americans will get behind.

-TS

Nevada_Ballin
03-09-2009, 02:00 PM
I was watching CNN this morning and some GOPers were talking about Obama's campaign promise to line-item earmarks and it apparently not being the case with this present spending bill (which is leftover business from last year). Then it was brought to their attention that there are 100's of millions of dollars in earmarks in it requested by GOP representatives.

The question was asked, "Since the GOP is taking such a stand on earmarks lately, shouldn't they refrain from requesting such earmarks in the first place?" Of course, the question was avoided in the reply in typical political fashion.

TheSphinx 2.0
03-09-2009, 02:31 PM
I was watching CNN this morning and some GOPers were talking about Obama's campaign promise to line-item earmarks and it apparently not being the case with this present spending bill (which is leftover business from last year). Then it was brought to their attention that there are 100's of millions of dollars in earmarks in it requested by GOP representatives.

The question was asked, "Since the GOP is taking such a stand on earmarks lately, shouldn't they refrain from requesting such earmarks in the first place?" Of course, the question was avoided in the reply in typical political fashion.

The answer would of course be "Yes" but that it is easier to talk it than walk it...

I actually think for the first time in a long time the public actually is tuned into earmarks and this would be a good time to ride the issue. I remember when the Iraq war bills were stuffed with no-bid contracts and other "goodies" Dems were trying to make a fuss about them the public didn't seem to care. Now "pork" and "earmarks" are becoming pubic discussion points. The fact that the Repubs won't stand firm on this will lessen the issue they can make of it and will probably mean the issue will die down with little to no change...again.

-TS

bk1998
03-09-2009, 03:50 PM
I was watching CNN this morning and some GOPers were talking about Obama's campaign promise to line-item earmarks and it apparently not being the case with this present spending bill (which is leftover business from last year). Then it was brought to their attention that there are 100's of millions of dollars in earmarks in it requested by GOP representatives.

The question was asked, "Since the GOP is taking such a stand on earmarks lately, shouldn't they refrain from requesting such earmarks in the first place?" Of course, the question was avoided in the reply in typical political fashion.

What does the GOP have to do with the point of the article?

Why do you insist on making everything a DEMS vs. REPS BATTLE ROYALE?

NB, it's hilarious that you call yourself independent of a political party. You may not be a card carrying member, but you're far from independent. Partisan politics have a firm grip on you.

You're as bad as SUPDOG.

Gtrght77
03-09-2009, 04:26 PM
$143,000 for a natural history museum in Las Vegas


Its funny they call this Pork when its going to add jobs to the struggling Las Vegas Economy.


Obama has a tough decision to make, wait on the bill to be cleaned or pass it. The Dems are playing it both ways though. They are insisting on these items being in the bills then complaining about them for political reasons. Its all Politics and not an issue I am that passionate about.

Gtrght77
03-09-2009, 04:38 PM
What does the GOP have to do with the point of the article?

Why do you insist on making everything a DEMS vs. REPS BATTLE ROYALE?

NB, it's hilarious that you call yourself independent of a political party. You may not be a card carrying member, but you're far from independent. Partisan politics have a firm grip on you.

You're as bad as SUPDOG.


Because it is??? :rolleyes:

Nevada_Ballin
03-09-2009, 08:19 PM
What does the GOP have to do with the point of the article?

Why do you insist on making everything a DEMS vs. REPS BATTLE ROYALE?

NB, it's hilarious that you call yourself independent of a political party. You may not be a card carrying member, but you're far from independent. Partisan politics have a firm grip on you.

You're as bad as SUPDOG.



Love it when i say something about someone's party and then they get upset & try to label me as one-sided. Let's get this straight - i am an independent and i will be critical of any party. Granted, the GOP of the last 20 years has become an easier target for me to shoot at than the Democrats simply because i lean left with a lot things i believe. But that doesn't make me a Democrat by any means. But hey, if labeling me as one makes you feel better, then go right ahead. It has zero effect on me :)

Now more to the point, my post that you quoted was simply a true story, it is what really happened - you can probably youtube it by searching for last Sunday's State of the Union program with John King. I really offered no opinion about it except for the fact that the question was avoided in political fashion (i didn't say GOP, i said political because it is typical of ALL politicans to sidestep a question that puts them in a corner).

Add: i started off the post by saying that apparently Obama isn't going to follow up on the campaign promise of line-item veto when it comes to this bill. That would be pointing out a fail on Obama's part, even if it's spending bill from last year. And maybe you missed other posts i had in other threads where I am not happy about the "lobbyist exception" rule when it comes to Cabinet posts jobs - the biggest reason i voted for Obama was because he told us he was going to kick the lobbyists to the curb. I'm very disappointed in the way that's working out.

bk1998
03-09-2009, 10:37 PM
Love it when i say something about someone's party

Someone's party? lol

You don't have a clue when it comes to my political affiliations.

You're hilarious. Your blind hate for the republican party is at such a level that you can't stop yourself from bringing them into every conversation. Someone's talking about dems? Better sling some mud the GOP's way!

It's people like you that buy into the political bullcrap that's made cooperation between parties nearly impossible.

Oh but yeah, you're independent... Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, but calls itself independent.

Whatever floats your boat.

I'm superman.

Add: Who cares if you're dissapointed in Obama... Who cares if you pointed out that you're dissapointed that he's not going to veto this and that. The question that I posed to you was, and remains, why do you insist on making everything a D vs. R issue? Has the partisan BS warped your logic so much that you can't evaluate anything on it's own merits?

bk1998
03-09-2009, 10:38 PM
Because it is??? :rolleyes:

Only for those that aren't interested in getting anything done.

Gtrght77
03-09-2009, 11:14 PM
Only for those that aren't interested in getting anything done.

Who else is doing anything?

TheSphinx 2.0
03-10-2009, 12:05 AM
Its funny they call this Pork when its going to add jobs to the struggling Las Vegas Economy.

So then why not finance it at the local level since it will be so helpful? Vegas has a local budget that it can manipulate to get this done.

Oh yeah that's right becuase it actually has no value if you borrow money in one hand and move it to the other hand. It only works if you can get the people in Nebraska to fund it for you.

See how that works...

That is why it is called pork.

-TS