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Gtrght77
03-13-2009, 01:58 AM
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-border13-2009mar13,0,4796912.story


Washington -- With drug-related violence growing along the Mexico border, the U.S. is willing to consider deploying troops to the Southwest -- but only as a last resort -- a Department of Homeland Security official told members of Congress on Thursday.

Help might come from the National Guard or even the Army if the deadly threat from Mexico's powerful cartels gets so bad that Homeland Security officials cannot secure border towns, Roger Rufe, the department's director of operations, told a House subcommittee.

But echoing comments a day earlier from President Obama, Rufe said there currently was no need to militarize the border.

"We would take all resources short of [Defense Department] and National Guard troops before we reach that tipping point," Rufe said, without specifying what circumstances would call for troops.

"The trend of increasing drug cartel violence in Mexico is alarming," Rufe said, explaining that the U.S. response plan "ramps up as the threat ramps up, and there are triggers within that to alert leadership when . . . the threat of violence has reached a level where forces in place can't address it."

Violence has become a serious foreign policy issue as Mexican President Felipe Calderon's administration has cracked down on the drug cartels and been met with resistance.

Numerous Mexican government officials have been killed, including top federal security officials and local police chiefs. Officials say more than 6,200 people died last year in Mexico as a result of the drug war, and more than 1,000 were killed in the first eight weeks of 2009.

One lawmaker suggested Thursday that tighter gun control and drug enforcement inside the U.S. also were needed to stem the violence.

"The United States and Mexico border violence can only be solved if we look at all parts of the equation," Rep. John F. Tierney (D-Mass.) said. "Let's examine our gun laws, let's cut down on U.S. drug consumption, let's ask there to be more resources to root out drug money laundering."

According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Tierney said, 90% of the weapons seized from Mexican organized crime came from the U.S.

Rufe said the bloodshed along the border in Mexico was appalling, but violent crime had not increased in U.S. border cities as a result. Kidnappings are up, but violent crime is down, he said.

"We're not so concerned, at least at this point, about that violence spilling over into our cities," he said.

We need to scale back the War on Drugs, its becoming a national security issue and is costing us to much to fight.

Nevada_Ballin
03-13-2009, 02:30 AM
the "war on drugs" needs to be changed to the "war on gangs".

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TheRealist
03-13-2009, 03:49 AM
"America needs to take care of its own problems at home first..."

Yeah, heard that before and now this isht just happens?

No.

Avoiding problems like this and taking lax, isolationist approaches to foreign policy (and globalization) are the surest ways to invite these problems to your door step.

This stuff is intolerable. If Mexico cannot control all of this violence, then it is our duty as an ally to help them if we are so called upon to do so.

Answer clearly lies in economics. Provide better opportunities to people and they won't be forced to become killers and drug dealers. Sound familiar to any Freakonomics readers here?

Mexico should do this...

http://mexidata.info/id1371.html

A lot easier said than done though, how do you fix corruption by peaceful means and without extreme shifts in ideology? It seems as if there tradition and corruption seem to be synonymous at times.

Since when did Mexico turn into Gotham City?

Yiless
03-13-2009, 09:37 AM
"America needs to take care of its own problems at home first..."

Yeah, heard that before and now this isht just happens?

No.

Avoiding problems like this and taking lax, isolationist approaches to foreign policy (and globalization) are the surest ways to invite these problems to your door step.

This stuff is intolerable. If Mexico cannot control all of this violence, then it is our duty as an ally to help them if we are so called upon to do so.

Answer clearly lies in economics. Provide better opportunities to people and they won't be forced to become killers and drug dealers. Sound familiar to any Freakonomics readers here?

Mexico should do this...

http://mexidata.info/id1371.html

A lot easier said than done though, how do you fix corruption by peaceful means and without extreme shifts in ideology? It seems as if there tradition and corruption seem to be synonymous at times.

Since when did Mexico turn into Gotham City?

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Yiless
03-13-2009, 09:39 AM
"America needs to take care of its own problems at home first..."

Yeah, heard that before and now this isht just happens?

No.

Avoiding problems like this and taking lax, isolationist approaches to foreign policy (and globalization) are the surest ways to invite these problems to your door step.

This stuff is intolerable. If Mexico cannot control all of this violence, then it is our duty as an ally to help them if we are so called upon to do so.

Answer clearly lies in economics. Provide better opportunities to people and they won't be forced to become killers and drug dealers. Sound familiar to any Freakonomics readers here?

Mexico should do this...

http://mexidata.info/id1371.html

A lot easier said than done though, how do you fix corruption by peaceful means and without extreme shifts in ideology? It seems as if there tradition and corruption seem to be synonymous at times.

Since when did Mexico turn into Gotham City?

What are we as the U.S. suppossed to do?

We have our own economic crisis to deal with. I can't see how we can be of much help when we can't get our own sitution straight.

I'm not sure how I feel about immagration. I feel for so many of the immagrants in our country. And would be heartbroken to see them deported due to tougher immagration laws.

Nevada_Ballin
03-13-2009, 12:20 PM
"America needs to take care of its own problems at home first..."

Yeah, heard that before and now this isht just happens?

No.

Avoiding problems like this and taking lax, isolationist approaches to foreign policy (and globalization) are the surest ways to invite these problems to your door step.

This stuff is intolerable. If Mexico cannot control all of this violence, then it is our duty as an ally to help them if we are so called upon to do so.



Man, it would be really easy for me to toggle this into the housing help thing.... along with alot of the other foreign aid we dish out ..... US gives away billions to help others ( where the same "that's their problem why do i have to pay for it?" argument can be used) but gets backlash from its own people when it wants to help its own ......

I'm not against helping Mexico out with its problems though, as a border country I think it's in our best interest to do so whenever we can but a lot of things need to change before anything we do becomes really effective.

XxsourdieselxX
03-13-2009, 03:25 PM
it still get thru any way/ and so do the mexicans, and so what people still getting high, the mexican illegal work force is a wayyyyyyyyyyyy bigger issue

Paydirt404
03-13-2009, 03:55 PM
People are broke in Mexico. Carlos Slim has that country by the balls.

Gtrght77
03-13-2009, 04:40 PM
It weakens our borders and in this time is a major national security risk. They could walk a WMD over and drive it into LA/San Diego within hours.

TheRealist
03-13-2009, 06:37 PM
What are we as the U.S. suppossed to do?

We have our own economic crisis to deal with. I can't see how we can be of much help when we can't get our own sitution straight.

I'm not sure how I feel about immagration. I feel for so many of the immagrants in our country. And would be heartbroken to see them deported due to tougher immagration laws.

The United States needs to get to the down and dirty with Mexico and tell them what needs to happen (economically). If they had control on the situation, thousands of deaths could have been prevented.

This isn't a thing where we throw money at a problem and just hope it cures itself...this is a problem that will involve diplomatic involvement and persuasion because it has VERY negative consequences for the U.S. if it allowed to go relatively unpunished.

Letting criminals get away with these crimes because we fear them is a submission to their ways. A way run on murder (add any felony committed by gangs) is just bound to destroy any decently established social order in the long run.

I think everyone is in agreement that this has to stop. The answer is "how".

I see many things that Mexico "could" do (key word...could) to expand upon their overall economic freedom, as I outlined in my link above, that imo could really help spearhead the problem.

Mexico is going to have to save itself and take some initiative (if it has any) to bring down these animals.

I agree gt, that border is definitely a primary concern.

TheRealist
03-14-2009, 05:01 AM
Been looking more into this issue and while economics seems (at least to me) to be a viable solution, apparently it's a little invalid when looking at it more in depth. I'm going to look into the matter and see what exactly is up.

Nevada_Ballin
03-14-2009, 12:09 PM
Been looking more into this issue and while economics seems (at least to me) to be a viable solution, apparently it's a little invalid when looking at it more in depth. I'm going to look into the matter and see what exactly is up.

Here's what's up, "follow the money" - Americans are buying the drugs.


Legalizing marijuana (the most imported), although not a cure-all, would alleviate a lot of the problems. Instead of having it imported illegally through Mexico we'd be growing our own here. Just like the end of prohibition took bootlegging booze away from organized crime.


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