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Codeman
03-20-2009, 12:26 PM
in Alabama US troops show up after the mass murders, what is going on? why would we have troops show up after something like this? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509708,00.html and this come from the Glenn Beck show? but there are other reports around the US that troops are running drills to enforce martial law around the US? i would like to here what you think.

SUPDOG
03-20-2009, 12:31 PM
in Alabama US troops show up after the mass murders, what is going on? why would we have troops show up after something like this? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509708,00.html and this come from the Glenn Beck show? but there are other reports around the US that troops are running drills to enforce martial law around the US? i would like to here what you think.

How else are they going to collect all those guns?

Codeman
03-20-2009, 12:37 PM
How else are they going to collect all those guns?ok the troops are our brothers and sisters, sons and daughters how would they get away with it. this is some sneaky ****.

Milwaukee
03-20-2009, 12:47 PM
I wouldn't doubt it. Ive seen reports about the martial law training exercises too. One thing that makes me give it more credibility is how much martial law was used in The Dark Knight (the most popular movie in a long time). As soon as the shyt hit the fan in the movie, everything was locked down, ppl were hurded onto boats like cattle, etc....now all the people who saw it have this idea that when disaster strikes, it's okay for the gov't/military to do that stuff. They'll think thats how its supposed to be. It just boils down to trust.....and I have none for our 'leaders'.

Nevada_Ballin
03-20-2009, 12:58 PM
the military has always trained for martial law - but not for martial law in the US, it's for martial law in places where they may be deployed (think Afghanistan and Pakistan right now)


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R-ILLA
03-20-2009, 02:51 PM
the military has always trained for martial law - but not for martial law in the US, it's for martial law in places where they may be deployed (think Afghanistan and Pakistan right now)


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Sure thats it. So is the Patriot Act 1 2 3 4 5 and 6

Nevada_Ballin
03-20-2009, 04:14 PM
Sure thats it. So is the Patriot Act 1 2 3 4 5 and 6

eh, Patriot Act... i don't agree with some of it but in the same token if you don't have anything to hide then it shouldn't bother you or how you live your life anyway. It hasn't changed my life at all, has it changed yours?

theanalogkid
03-20-2009, 10:48 PM
eh, Patriot Act... i don't agree with some of it but in the same token if you don't have anything to hide then it shouldn't bother you or how you live your life anyway. It hasn't changed my life at all, has it changed yours?

1) It's a matter of principle to be against draconian legislation like this.

2) It was rushed through Congress without anyone having a chance to read it before being voted on.

3) It's been abused countless times.

McMadden
03-21-2009, 01:59 AM
in Alabama US troops show up after the mass murders, what is going on? why would we have troops show up after something like this? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509708,00.html and this come from the Glenn Beck show? but there are other reports around the US that troops are running drills to enforce martial law around the US? i would like to here what you think.

From the link posted=> The town's tiny police force and county officers were stretched to the limit after a gunman killed 10 people and himself.

Here is what Glen didn't tell you. I remembered seeing this on CNN the very night of the shootings!

He killed himself after he was cornered by police, ending the deadliest shooting in the state's history.

Corporal Steve Jarrett from the Alabama State Police says the gunman was heavily armed.
"McLendon was armed with two assault rifles - an SKS and a Bushmaster using high capacity magazines taped together - a shotgun and a .38-caliber handgun," he said.

"At this time, we believe that he fired in excess of 200 rounds during the assaults."

Coffee County district attorney Gary McAliley said police found the hit list at McLendon's home.

"We believe he was trying to kill some folks there at Reliable Metal Products (where McLendon reportedly once worked and where he killed himself), but he got shot in the shoulder," Mr McAliley said.

"It's our opinion he saw that it was over and put the pistol in his mouth and pulled the trigger," Mr McAliley said.

J Christopher Murphy, director of the Alabama Department of Public Safety, said McLendon's rampage bore the signs of a planned attack but lacked a clear motive.
"He was not fired (from his job). There was no girlfriend breakup. He had no criminal record and no history of mental illness, all the things we normally look for," Mr Murphy said.

McLendon killed his mother, grandmother, an uncle and two cousins as well as the wife of a local deputy sheriff and her 18-month-old daughter who were visiting family members.
The woman's four-month-old baby was wounded along with five others.

Three others, including a motorist at a petrol station, were killed as McLendon drove through nearby Samson, apparently firing randomly.

Harri Anne Smith, an Alabama state legislator who was in the town after the attack, said the gunman wore ear plugs.

The shooting spree ended after a car chase and gun battle, authorities said.

Describing the chase, Wynnton Melton, the mayor of nearby Geneva, said: "Officer Ricky Morgan rammed his car to distract him and was rewarded with a hail of bullets .... One bullet grazed the shoulder of police chief Frankie Lindsey."

A police officer in Geneva said the gunman "shot at several vehicles on the highway and then he shot at Wal-Mart and Piggly Wiggly (grocery store)".
McLendon also shot his family's dogs, Mr Preachers said. "He killed her (his mother) and her dogs. He shot the dogs in the head. Then he piled them up and (poured gasoline on them and lit it). He laid the dogs next to her."


This guy went on a rampage, and note, the Army did not send the Infantry, they sent Military Police or as we called them in the Air Force, "Law Enforcement" Officers. Martial Law? Hardly.

Codeman the link from Faux Noise you posted stated that tiny Samson and County police were stretched to the limits. Who knows how many lives were saved by the added show of force.


1) It's a matter of principle to be against draconian legislation like this.

2) It was rushed through Congress without anyone having a chance to read it before being voted on.

3) It's been abused countless times.Nuff said!

Nevada_Ballin
03-21-2009, 03:05 AM
1) It's a matter of principle to be against draconian legislation like this.

2) It was rushed through Congress without anyone having a chance to read it before being voted on.

3) It's been abused countless times.


1. My principals don't get me to an area where i have to worry about the government using the Patriot Act against me. No one else's principals should put them in that predicament either.

2. They read it cuz they wrote it.... it was a GOP Congress at the time it first was introduced.

3. I did say i don't agree with all of it.


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Codeman
03-21-2009, 01:54 PM
From the link posted=>

Here is what Glen didn't tell you. I remembered seeing this on CNN the very night of the shootings!



This guy went on a rampage, and note, the Army did not send the Infantry, they sent Military Police or as we called them in the Air Force, "Law Enforcement" Officers. Martial Law? Hardly.

Codeman the link from Faux Noise you posted stated that tiny Samson and County police were stretched to the limits. Who knows how many lives were saved by the added show of force.


Nuff said!thats why we have state police, sheriff department, FBI and such. it dosent matter what MP's or reg solider that is the military not civilian. and they still dont know where the order come from. with the economy the way it was heading i think they were expecting more people going nuts and had this planned for a while.

Nevada_Ballin
03-21-2009, 03:22 PM
thats why we have state police, sheriff department, FBI and such. it dosent matter what MP's or reg solider that is the military not civilian. and they still dont know where the order come from. with the economy the way it was heading i think they were expecting more people going nuts and had this planned for a while.

There's been a military contingency plan for that kind of scenario since the Civil War. This shouldn't surprise or shock you. Keep in mind that things now aren't even CLOSE to as bad as they were during the Great Deprssion (20-25% unemployment and a stock market that blew up worse than a tick on Dracula), the populace back then were very raucus.

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Shacks, put up by the Bonus Army (WWI veterans) on the Anacostia flats, Washington, DC, burning after the battle with the 1,000 soldiers accompanied by tanks and machine guns, 1932

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theanalogkid
03-21-2009, 06:27 PM
1. My principals don't get me to an area where i have to worry about the government using the Patriot Act against me. No one else's principals should put them in that predicament either.

2. They read it cuz they wrote it.... it was a GOP Congress at the time it first was introduced.

3. I did say i don't agree with all of it.


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1.) It's not a matter of you getting into trouble with the government, it's a matter of people who are innocent being abused by the governemnt under the Patriot Act. It has happened.

2.) I don't know who you are referring to be "they." If by "they" you mean Viet Dinh, being the principle writer of the Patriot Act, then you would be correct. As such, he was part of the justice department and not a member of Congress. So the fact still stands, that members of Congress did not have time to read the Patriot Act before voting on it.

Nevada_Ballin
03-21-2009, 07:30 PM
1.) It's not a matter of you getting into trouble with the government, it's a matter of people who are innocent being abused by the governemnt under the Patriot Act. It has happened.

2.) I don't know who you are referring to be "they." If by "they" you mean Viet Dinh, being the principle writer of the Patriot Act, then you would be correct. As such, he was part of the justice department and not a member of Congress. So the fact still stands, that members of Congress did not have time to read the Patriot Act before voting on it.


1. We have to consider the world we live in these days. It is not the same as it was 25, 50 or 225 years ago. The technological advancements alone have been astronomical. There is no doubt that there are couple hundred terrorists living fronted, docile lives in the USA right this minute. One would be extremely naive to think that is not happening since our borders are wide open. I'm not crazy about the Patriot Act either but there are many parts of it which have a "better safe than sorry" agenda behind it. Yes, it comes with a cost to one's privacy but it makes sense considering the world we exist in today. Again, if you aren't doing anything wrong then odds are you'll never even know we even have a Patriot Act.

2. 98% of the bills Congress passes aren't completely read. Even many who were against the Patriot Act in 2001 didn't read it. The reauthorizations that have been made since, although not all of them really suit me personally, have been read and debated more than the original bill was.

It's a jacked up world we live in man. Granted the Act isn't perfect but it's better than nothing.

MonoxideChild
04-03-2009, 10:20 AM
The military has always trained for martial law. Just like the police and other first responders have always been taught how to comply with it. Why is this an issue now all of a sudden? Because Glen Beck talked about it? For those of you who don't know a whole lot about Beck, he's not really the most "together" person. He's kind of an interesting personality to study, but he's much more entertainment than I think a lot of people realize.

Codeman
04-04-2009, 10:51 AM
sorry point balnk, the armed forces have no business in cival matters. no if and or buts. if you believe they do you dont understand the constitution.

Steez
04-09-2009, 11:44 AM
Yes it most certainly is coming. Quote me on this,once the summer hits pay close attention to the price of food,medicine,gas,health care and water. Pay very close attention to them. Then in the year 2010 pay close attention to how much our government tells you how much more important it is to get new ID's. Pay close attention to whats happening in Europe and in Asia. Pay very close attention. Pay close attention to the vacant lots that all of a suddent become "Government Land". Pay close attention to all the homeland security that roams around your local downtown disctricts. Pay very close attention. These people are not stupid they have a plan and its a masterful one.