Obama Gets The Marijuana Question...

[Nevada_Ballin]

... and says "no" as far as legalizing marijuana for economic reasons. But the public is backlashing a little, saying "why not, it can solve alleviate a ton of problems"


This should be a story for a day or so.... lol


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[theanalogkid]

I don't see how the government can continue to keep weed illegal, when the past 3 Presidents have all admitted to smoking it.

[sanantonio]

The reason it was made illegal was bull crap to begin with. If anything should be illegal it's the more addictive and dangerous alcohol.

[TheSphinx 2.0]

I wish they would legalize it as well (and I have never used it). I am just tired of the debate. Holland has a "look the other way" attitude (it is still technically illegal there I believe) and that country hasn't descending into anarchy so why not try it here. The revenue opportunity via the tax that could be levied would probably be huge.

Plus I read something recently saying that something like 70% of the drugs moved in the country is weed and that legalizing it would severly cut off the funding of "drug kingpins" and cut down on the violence. I am not sure if that is true but I am willing to bet that if it is legalized it would have a positive impact on cutting down drug related violence.

-TS

Plus the sale of chips would skyrocket. The day it is legalize buy Pepsi's (PEP) stock (they own Frito Lay) . :D

[sanantonio]

I wish they would legalize it as well (and I have never used it). I am just tired of the debate. Holland has a "look the other way" attitude (it is still technically illegal there I believe) and that country hasn't descending into anarchy so why not try it here. The revenue opportunity via the tax that could be levied would probably be huge.

Plus I read something recently saying that something like 70% of the drugs moved in the country is weed and that legalizing it would severly cut off the funding of "drug kingpins" and cut down on the violence. I am not sure if that is true but I am willing to bet that if it is legalized it would have a positive impact on cutting down drug related violence.

-TS

Plus the sale of chips would skyrocket. The day it is legalize buy Pepsi's (PEP) stock (they own Frito Lay) . :D

I would open a chain of drive through snack food stands :D.

[Nevada_Ballin]

I wish they would legalize it as well (and I have never used it). I am just tired of the debate. Holland has a "look the other way" attitude (it is still technically illegal there I believe) and that country hasn't descending into anarchy so why not try it here. The revenue opportunity via the tax that could be levied would probably be huge.

Plus I read something recently saying that something like 70% of the drugs moved in the country is weed and that legalizing it would severly cut off the funding of "drug kingpins" and cut down on the violence. I am not sure if that is true but I am willing to bet that if it is legalized it would have a positive impact on cutting down drug related violence.

-TS

Plus the sale of chips would skyrocket. The day it is legalize buy Pepsi's (PEP) stock (they own Frito Lay) . :D

Many social problems have been attributed to the Prohibition era. Mafia groups limited their activities to gambling and thievery until 1920, when organized bootlegging manifested in response to the effect of Prohibition.[12] A profitable, often violent, black market for alcohol flourished. Powerful gangs corrupted law enforcement agencies, leading to Racketeering. Stronger liquor surged in popularity because its potency made it more profitable to smuggle.

The cost of enforcing Prohibition was high, and the lack of tax revenues on alcohol (some $500 million annually nationwide) affected government coffers.

When repeal of Prohibition occurred in 1933, organized crime lost nearly all of its black market alcohol profits in most states (states still had the right to enforce their own laws concerning alcohol consumption) because of competition with low-priced alcohol sales at legal liquor stores.

[XxsourdieselxX]

i dont think it should be legal, it would be sweet like in cali pay a hundred for a card, but they sell for the same price as everyone else ("dealers"). i read in high times that there are at least 50million active potheads in the us, so whats the point of legalizing it, people dont have a hard time finding it now. there spending billions housing pot dealers, and most are non violent, and no weapon connected. theres like 200 mexicans growing in the sierras, all illegal, and the money goes to mexico, shouldnt that money be staying in the states. i saw they cut like 100,000 plants, thats at least 75,000 pounds, x 1000 buck, thats 75 million goin to mexico. say that that money stayed here. thats just one crop, and not even high end stuff, that can sell for 6k a pound, they want income? its a no brainer, weed it the biggest cash crop in the us already, so even tho people get arrested, its basically legal. but coke herion and with meth use at a all time high i guess weed falls to the back burner. those drugs destroy lives, point blank, i ve seen it happen a million times. u can smoke a joint in high school and might not like it and never smoke again, if u try one of these ur 75% hooked, whether u like it or not. and pill addiction, those are legal, but people abuse them too. and u cant get physically dependent on weed, like pills crack herion meth,

[resnor]

Sour, you made no sense there. You say you don't want it legal, and then you go on to give reasons why it should be. You also say that "even though people get arrested it's basically legal." WHAT? It's NOT "basically legal." It's undeniably ILLEGAL, and that's the problem. The problem IS people being arrested for possession and use of marijuana.

And I agree with SanAn on this too, alcohol is far more dangerous, both physically and socially, and addictive, than marijuana.

[Gtrght77]

I would rather it be decriminalized then legal, It would save us a lot of money in prison costs alone and help out Mexico a little in their problem they are currently having.

[XxsourdieselxX]

[QUOTE=resnor;1175815]Sour, you made no sense there. You say you don't want it legal, and then you go on to give reasons why it should be. You also say that "even though people get arrested it's basically legal." WHAT? It's NOT "basically legal." It's undeniably ILLEGAL, and that's the problem. The problem IS people being arrested for possession and use of marijuana.

And I agree with SanAn on this too, alcohol is far more dangerous, both physically and socially, and addictive, than marijuana.[/QUOT

heres how u legalize it, everyone can grow 4 plants, then tax on the nutrients, seeds lights ect,

if everyone can have thier own lil crop, there would be no more weed dealers.

it is undeniably against the law, but its our biggest cash crop, and there are millions of pound bieng grown,

and its the only drug beside fungus, no extracting, processing, just dry and use

[SUPDOG]

Sour, you made no sense there. You say you don't want it legal, and then you go on to give reasons why it should be. You also say that "even though people get arrested it's basically legal." WHAT? It's NOT "basically legal." It's undeniably ILLEGAL, and that's the problem. The problem IS people being arrested for possession and use of marijuana.

And I agree with SanAn on this too, alcohol is far more dangerous, both physically and socially, and addictive, than marijuana.

The difference between alcohol and marijuana is the element of moderation.

I can go out and shoot pool and drink 3 beers in a span of 4 hours and be fine to drive.

A few puffs on a bong and I am impaired.

Marijuana makes you lazy and useless if used on a regular basis, even after you "come down". I lived it. Satan decieves.

[Nevada_Ballin]

The difference between alcohol and marijuana is the element of moderation.

I can go out and shoot pool and drink 3 beers in a span of 4 hours and be fine to drive.

A few puffs on a bong and I am impaired.

Marijuana makes you lazy and useless if used on a regular basis, even after you "come down". I lived it. Satan decieves.


That sentence right there proves you have no clue on the effects of marijuana. A few puffs from a bong and you're high for an hour. After that, it's worn off. Perfectly capable of driving (unlike alcohol which takes hours to wear off). If you are getting impaired from a couple puffs you may want to check that weed for angel dust or something.

Also note that "moderation" is up to the individual. See DUI statistics for how many people that do not have only 3 beers (in some states 3 beers is enough to put you over the legal limit).


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[sanantonio]

The difference between alcohol and marijuana is the element of moderation.

I can go out and shoot pool and drink 3 beers in a span of 4 hours and be fine to drive.

A few puffs on a bong and I am impaired.

Marijuana makes you lazy and useless if used on a regular basis, even after you "come down". I lived it. Satan decieves.

Maybe you can drink 3 beers in 4 hours and be fine but everyone's metabolism is different. So what may not impair you may have someone else rip roaring drunk.

Also alcohol is addictive and destructive to health and lives on the highway. There is no emperical evidence or study that shows marihuana to be any of the above. Marihuana makes you no more lazy and useless then you would have been without it. I also lived it and with 50 million users in this country it some how hasn't fallen apart from all the lazy useless dead weight.

However alcohol related traffic fatalities on the highways continues: 17,525 for 2005, 17,941 for 2006, 12,996 for 2007, 16,885 for 2008. I don't have the data for 2009 but if it's just one that's one too many. I couldn't find anything concrete concerning marihuana related deaths.

[Nevada_Ballin]

Maybe you can drink 3 beers in 4 hours and be fine but everyone's metabolism is different. So what may not impair you may have someone else rip roaring drunk.

Also alcohol is addictive and destructive to health and lives on the highway. There is no emperical evidence or study that shows marihuana to be any of the above. Marihuana makes you no more lazy and useless then you would have been without it. I also lived it and with 50 million users in this country it some how hasn't fallen apart from all the lazy useless dead weight.

However alcohol related traffic fatalities on the highways continues: 17,525 for 2005, 17,941 for 2006, 12,996 for 2007, 16,885 for 2008. I don't have the data for 2009 but if it's just one that's one too many. I couldn't find anything concrete concerning marihuana related deaths.

Here's a task for you SanAn... .how many people were simply arrested for a DUI in each of the last 3 years?


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[sanantonio]

Here's a task for you SanAn... .how many people were simply arrested for a DUI in each of the last 3 years?


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Unless you go state by state that info is hard to find as a whole for the US. But I did find this-

Economic / Societal Cost
According to a recent Allstate Insurance Company study, alcohol impaired drivers are estimated to cost American taxpayers $21 - $24 billion dollars per year.
National Geographic recently stated that alcohol abuse costs American society $136 billion and 65,000 lives annually.

I'm thinking you've got to be phuggin kidding :eek:.

[XxsourdieselxX]

Maybe you can drink 3 beers in 4 hours and be fine but everyone's metabolism is different. So what may not impair you may have someone else rip roaring drunk.

Also alcohol is addictive and destructive to health and lives on the highway. There is no emperical evidence or study that shows marihuana to be any of the above. Marihuana makes you no more lazy and useless then you would have been without it. I also lived it and with 50 million users in this country it some how hasn't fallen apart from all the lazy useless dead weight.

However alcohol related traffic fatalities on the highways continues: 17,525 for 2005, 17,941 for 2006, 12,996 for 2007, 16,885 for 2008. I don't have the data for 2009 but if it's just one that's one too many. I couldn't find anything concrete concerning marihuana related deaths.

the number was more like 100 million but i cut it in half just to be safe,

[XxsourdieselxX]

Unless you go state by state that info is hard to find as a whole for the US. But I did find this-

Economic / Societal Cost
According to a recent Allstate Insurance Company study, alcohol impaired drivers are estimated to cost American taxpayers $21 - $24 billion dollars per year.
National Geographic recently stated that alcohol abuse costs American society $136 billion and 65,000 lives annually.

I'm thinking you've got to be phuggin kidding :eek:.

sounds right, and y is it legal? nothing good ever comes from drinking, theres no thinking out side the box, or munchies, maybe some putty, but u prolly had ur booze goggles on, and she wasnt that hot. i have 2 duis. 6k in fines and i cant get my ls till i pay them, and then i gotta pay 1400 to get a brethilizer on the ride? everytime i got arrested i was drunk. i never got popped high, i be on my toes, you cant be on ur toes drunk. just dosent work

[sanantonio]

sounds right, and y is it legal? nothing good ever comes from drinking, theres no thinking out side the box, or munchies, maybe some putty, but u prolly had ur booze goggles on, and she wasnt that hot. i have 2 duis. 6k in fines and i cant get my ls till i pay them, and then i gotta pay 1400 to get a brethilizer on the ride? everytime i got arrested i was drunk. i never got popped high, i be on my toes, you cant be on ur toes drunk. just dosent work

Please tell me you've learned your lesson and all is well with you now. I will agree that getting popped while high on mary jane is pretty remote. It doesn't kill your reaction time or motor functions the way you think it would or the way alcohol does.

[Nevada_Ballin]

Of course, the most intriguing question is:

Why on earth is smoking/chewing tobacco legal?

After everything we've learned about the dangers healthwise, it is still legal and left to personal choice. The cost to US citizens via healthcare is insane. Everyone with 1/4 of a brain will say there's no way THAT should still be legal.

But we know why it's legal - money. Old school money at that. Most of the Founding Fathers made their money growing it. That money tree has deep roots in the DC beltway.

So away with the hypocrisy here, if we are going to leave tobacco legal (and already have alcohol legal based on State's Rights), left up to personal choice despite its health dangers, then legalize marijuana as well. Just think of all the JOBS it will create - not only in growing and sales but also on the education and 12 step programs :D

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[bk1998]

I don't disagree with a lot of what is in this thread.

There's one key difference (one that supdog touched on) that really can't be overlooked when comparing alcohol and weed:

One may drink for reasons other than to get drunk (for instance, for the flavor). I don't know of anyone that doesn't smoke to get high. Every friend I've ever had or person that I've known that smokes does so for one purpose: to get high.

Is the abuse of alcohol a bad thing? Of course! No one will say that it isn't. If they do, they're a fool.

But to try to use statistics for alcohol abuse as advocacy for weed doesn't make a lot of sense.

To anyone that says "alcohol does a lot of damage, look at the numbers" I say yes. Alcohol abuse is bad.

I'm a beer advocate. Responsibility is key.

Recap: The inherent difference between alcohol and weed is that weed is used recreationally for one reason: impairment. Alcohol can be used for many reasons, including impairment.

[XxsourdieselxX]

Please tell me you've learned your lesson and all is well with you now. I will agree that getting popped while high on mary jane is pretty remote. It doesn't kill your reaction time or motor functions the way you think it would or the way alcohol does.

dude if i drink twice a year its something and bk, i personally like the flavor of weed, and there are so many kinds, all with diffrent highs and flavors,

[XxsourdieselxX]

Of course, the most intriguing question is:

Why on earth is smoking/chewing tobacco legal?

After everything we've learned about the dangers healthwise, it is still legal and left to personal choice. The cost to US citizens via healthcare is insane. Everyone with 1/4 of a brain will say there's no way THAT should still be legal.

But we know why it's legal - money. Old school money at that. Most of the Founding Fathers made their money growing it. That money tree has deep roots in the DC beltway.

So away with the hypocrisy here, if we are going to leave tobacco legal (and already have alcohol legal based on State's Rights), left up to personal choice despite its health dangers, then legalize marijuana as well. Just think of all the JOBS it will create - not only in growing and sales but also on the education and 12 step programs :D

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as a cigarette addict i agree 100% why is this legal? im straight hooked, only on newports tho, i cant smoke anyother kind

[Nevada_Ballin]

dude if i drink twice a year its something and bk, i personally like the flavor of weed, and there are so many kinds, all with diffrent highs and flavors,

Absolutely agree with this. A cigar/tobbaco pipe smoker will tell you the same thing.

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[Nevada_Ballin]

Recap: The inherent difference between alcohol and weed is that weed is used recreationally for one reason: impairment. Alcohol can be used for many reasons, including impairment.

Compeltely untrue....... completely.


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[sanantonio]

I don't disagree with a lot of what is in this thread.

There's one key difference (one that supdog touched on) that really can't be overlooked when comparing alcohol and weed:

One may drink for reasons other than to get drunk (for instance, for the flavor). I don't know of anyone that doesn't smoke to get high. Every friend I've ever had or person that I've known that smokes does so for one purpose: to get high.

Is the abuse of alcohol a bad thing? Of course! No one will say that it isn't. If they do, they're a fool.

But to try to use statistics for alcohol abuse as advocacy for weed doesn't make a lot of sense.

To anyone that says "alcohol does a lot of damage, look at the numbers" I say yes. Alcohol abuse is bad.

I'm a beer advocate. Responsibility is key.

Recap: The inherent difference between alcohol and weed is that weed is used recreationally for one reason: impairment. Alcohol can be used for many reasons, including impairment.

I totally disagree the vast majority of drinkers drink for one reason and that ain't the taste. Sales for non-alcoholic beverages have never broken any sales records nor are they about to replace alcoholic beverages. So to say people drink for any other reason outside of the mind altering effect is way off base in my opinion.

The only reason we use alcohol as a bench mark to advocate marihuana is because alcohol is legal in spite of all the dangers we know are linked to it. None of those very same dangers have been attributed to marihuana. Yes both are consumed for thier mind altering ability but it's the legal one that is the most dangerous.

[XxsourdieselxX]

i finally got nb to agree!

[Nevada_Ballin]

i finally got nb to agree!

lol...........


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[resnor]

I'd like to quote two of our greatest Founding Fathers, on the matter of marijuana:

"Make the most of the hemp seed and sow it everywhere." - George Washington

"Some of my finest hours were spent on my back veranda, smoking hemp, and observing as far as my eyes could see." - Thomas Jefferson

I don't understand the argument, that if someone smokes to impair, why that should be a basis for making something illegal. People don't drink for taste, as SanAn said, they drink to get a buzz.

By the way, having ONE BEER will impair you. Maybe it doesn't impair you enough for you to really realize it, but it certainly does have an effect, no matter how small that effect is.

Also, smoking pot doesn't make one lazy. I know people who smoke frequently, and they're not lazy. That is one of the many lies that was sponsored by the government way back when, and still exists today.

[XxsourdieselxX]

* All schoolbooks were made from hemp or flax paper until the 1880s; Hemp Paper Reconsidered, Jack Frazier, 1974.

* It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in America from 1631 until the early 1800s; LA Times, Aug. 12, 1981.

* REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M. Herdon.

"I grew Hemp", George Washington

* George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America.

* Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Napoleon wanted to cut off Moscow's export to England; Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer.

* For thousands of years, 90% of all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp. The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis; Webster's New World Dictionary.

* 80% of all textiles, fabrics, clothes, linen, drapes, bed sheets, etc. were made from hemp until the 1820s with the introduction of the cotton gin.

* The first Bibles, maps, charts, Betsy Ross's flag, the first drafts of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were made from hemp; U.S. Government Archives.

* The first crop grown in many states was hemp. 1850 was a peak year for Kentucky producing 40,000 tons. Hemp was the largest cash crop until the 20th Century; State Archives.

* Oldest known records of hemp farming go back 5000 years in China, although hemp industrialization probably goes back to ancient Egypt.

* Rembrants, Gainsboroughs, Van Goghs as well as most early canvas paintings were principally painted on hemp linen.

* In 1916, the U.S. Government predicted that by the 1940s all paper would come from hemp and that no more trees need to be cut down. Government studies report that 1 acre of hemp equals 4.1 acres of trees. Plans were in the works to implement such programs; Department of Agriculture

* Quality paints and varnishes were made from hemp seed oil until 1937. 58,000 tons of hemp seeds were used in America for paint products in 1935; Sherman Williams Paint Co. testimony before Congress against the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act.

* Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONSTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941.

* Hemp called 'Billion Dollar Crop.' It was the first time a cash crop had a business potential to exceed a billion dollars; Popular Mechanics, Feb., 1938.

* Mechanical Engineering Magazine (Feb. 1938) published an article entitled 'The Most Profitable and Desirable Crop that Can be Grown.' It stated that if hemp was cultivated using 20th Century technology, it would be the single largest agricultural crop in the U.S. and the rest of the world.

The following information comes directly from the United States Department of Agriculture's 1942 14-minute film encouraging and instructing 'patriotic American farmers' to grow 350,000 acres of hemp each year for the war effort:

'...(When) Grecian temples were new, hemp was already old in the service of mankind. For thousands of years, even then, this plant had been grown for cordage and cloth in China and elsewhere in the East. For centuries prior to about 1850, all the ships that sailed the western seas were rigged with hempen rope and sails. For the sailor, no less than the hangman, hemp was indispensable...

...Now with Philippine and East Indian sources of hemp in the hands of the Japanese...American hemp must meet the needs of our Army and Navy as well as of our industries...

...the Navy's rapidly dwindling reserves. When that is gone, American hemp will go on duty again; hemp for mooring ships; hemp for tow lines; hemp for tackle and gear; hemp for countless naval uses both on ship and shore. Just as in the days when Old Ironsides sailed the seas victorious with her hempen shrouds and hempen sails. Hemp for victory!'

Certified proof from the Library of Congress; found by the research of Jack Herer, refuting claims of other government agencies that the 1942 USDA film 'Hemp for Victory' did not exist.

Hemp cultivation and production do not harm the environment. The USDA Bulletin #404 concluded that Hemphemp produces 4 times as much pulp with at least 4 to 7 times less pollution. From Popular Mechanics, Feb. 1938:

'It has a short growing season...It can be grown in any state...The long roots penetrate and break the soil to leave it in perfect condition for the next year's crop. The dense shock of leaves, 8 to 12 feet above the ground, chokes out weeds.
...hemp, this new crop can add immeasurably to American agriculture and industry.'

In the 1930s, innovations in farm machinery would have caused an industrial revolution when applied to hemp. This single resource could have created millions of new jobs generating thousands of quality products. Hemp, if not made illegal, would have brought America out of the Great Depression.

William Randolph Hearst (Citizen Kane) and the Hearst Paper Manufacturing Division of Kimberly Clark owned vast acreage of timberlands. The Hearst Company supplied most paper products. Patty Hearst's grandfather, a destroyer of nature for his own personal profit, stood to lose billions because of hemp.

In 1937, Dupont patented the processes to make plastics from oil and coal. Dupont's Annual Report urged stockholders to invest in its new petrochemical division. Synthetics such as plastics, cellophane, celluloid, methanol, nylon, rayon, Dacron, etc., could now be made from oil. Natural hemp industrialization would have ruined over 80% of Dupont's business.

Stop the Propaganda and fear. No one has ever sold their moms wedding ring because they needed a marijuana fix

[resnor]

Sour, that's a great post, with some great info. It's interesting how the criminalization of marijuana ties into the oil industry. There have been many advancements for the car industry that consumers have never seen, because an oil/car company bought off a patent, and then buried the plans for the project deep inside their company because the product gave way too much of a benefit to the consumer. And now we have another tie in to big oil, and thus, one of the reasons for the criminalization of marijuana.

[XxsourdieselxX]

* In 1916, the U.S. Government predicted that by the 1940s all paper would come from hemp and that no more trees need to be cut down. Government studies report that 1 acre of hemp equals 4.1 acres of trees. Plans were in the works to implement such programs; Department of Agriculture

this was the craziest part

[bk1998]

Obviously there once were many practical uses for hemp. My original statement, which I stand by is this:

I, personally, do not know one recreational smoker that uses for any other reason than to get high.

Someone in 1865 may have made rope for their farm, no doubt. I don't know anyone buying weed for rope or paper today.

And Sanan, when you disagreed with me, what did you disagree with? I never said anything about minority or majority uses of alcohol.

And yes, one serving of alcohol does impair you to an extent. Nothing groundbreaking there.

I really think that if weed had more practical uses (practical being things that would actually utilized by the masses) it would be legal today. It's close to being legalized... There just needs to be something else to help sell the legalization to the powers that be.

[theanalogkid]

Obviously there once were many practical uses for hemp. My original statement, which I stand by is this:

I, personally, do not know one recreational smoker that uses for any other reason than to get high.

Someone in 1865 may have made rope for their farm, no doubt. I don't know anyone buying weed for rope or paper today.

And Sanan, when you disagreed with me, what did you disagree with? I never said anything about minority or majority uses of alcohol.

And yes, one serving of alcohol does impair you to an extent. Nothing groundbreaking there.

I really think that if weed had more practical uses (practical being things that would actually utilized by the masses) it would be legal today. It's close to being legalized... There just needs to be something else to help sell the legalization to the powers that be.

Hemp doesn't get you high, there isn't enough THC in it to intoxicate you. You confusing weed, for hemp. They are in the same genus, but are two different plants.

[bk1998]

Hemp doesn't get you high, there isn't enough THC in it to intoxicate you. You confusing weed, for hemp. They are in the same genus, but are two different plants.

I'm not confusing anything... I know no one that uses weed for anything other than getting high. That's the point. Was I the first to bring hemp into this conversation?

[Wild Bunch]

I'm not confusing anything... I know no one that uses weed for anything other than getting high. That's the point. Was I the first to bring hemp into this conversation?

Bk please take me off ignore. I sent you a meaningful scientific question in a PM (one that doesn't do with religion). Can someone else please post this to him?

[bk1998]

Bk please take me off ignore. I sent you a meaningful scientific question in a PM (one that doesn't do with religion). Can someone else please post this to him?

I don't have you on ignore... just read your PM... I'll get back to you later for sure.

[Wild Bunch]

I don't have you on ignore... just read your PM... I'll get back to you later for sure.

Oh, my bad. Thanks.

[XxsourdieselxX]

The variety of appearances for cannabis. Only Sativa (left) is suited for industrial hemp, but it also has medicinal varieties.

hemp is one of the 3 kinds of marijuana, indica and sativa, and some other one

Main articles: Hemp and Cannabis (drug)

A sack made from hemp fiberThe tough fiber of the plant, cultivated as hemp, has numerous textile uses. Its seed, chiefly used as caged-bird feed, is a valuable source of protein. The flowers (and to a lesser extent the leaves, stems, and seeds) contain psychoactive and physiologically active chemical compounds known as cannabinoids that are consumed for recreational, medicinal, and spiritual purposes. When so used, preparations of flowers (marijuana) and leaves and preparations derived from resinous extract (hashish) are consumed by smoking, vaporizing and oral ingestion. Historically, tinctures, teas, and ointments have also been common preparations



so the stems were made to paper, and textiles, the seeds are feed. and the flowers are smoked, im thinking that they didnt know if they seperated the males n females seeds wouldnt come, and then since seeds take away from the plants flower power, this is how the low thc is in hemp plants. and this kept the thc low, genitics

In Europe and China, hemp fibers are increasingly used to strengthen concrete, and in other composite materials for many construction and manufacturing applications[9]. Hempcrete is used as a construction material containing hemp hurds, especially in France. Mercedes-Benz uses a "biocomposite" composed principally of hemp fiber for the manufacture of interior panels in some of its automobiles.

Biofuels such as biodiesel and alcohol fuel can be made from the oils in hemp seeds and stalks, and the fermentation of the plant as a whole, respectively. Filtered hemp oil can be used directly to power diesels. The inventor of the diesel engine, Rudolf Diesel, used hemp oil to power his new engine, and assumed that it would be run in the future on hemp oil.

Strong opposition to trace amounts of THC, a chemical shown by scientific research to be less harmful[citation needed] and less addictive [61] than nicotine or alcohol

[sanantonio]

Obviously there once were many practical uses for hemp. My original statement, which I stand by is this:

I, personally, do not know one recreational smoker that uses for any other reason than to get high.

Someone in 1865 may have made rope for their farm, no doubt. I don't know anyone buying weed for rope or paper today.

And Sanan, when you disagreed with me, what did you disagree with? I never said anything about minority or majority uses of alcohol.

And yes, one serving of alcohol does impair you to an extent. Nothing groundbreaking there.

I really think that if weed had more practical uses (practical being things that would actually utilized by the masses) it would be legal today. It's close to being legalized... There just needs to be something else to help sell the legalization to the powers that be.

I disagreed with this statement you made-
Recap: The inherent difference between alcohol and weed is that weed is used recreationally for one reason: impairment. Alcohol can be used for many reasons, including impairment.

I said alcohol just as marihuana is used to alter one's state of being. Now you can disregard the majority reason that it's used that's your perogative but the billions of dollars it costs in deaths and dui's is due to the majority drinking for the buzz. In other words those that drink just for taste obviously are not an issue.

And the one inherent and obvious difference between the two is that alcohol is more dangerous across the board.

[theanalogkid]

I'm not confusing anything... I know no one that uses weed for anything other than getting high. That's the point. Was I the first to bring hemp into this conversation?

I'm just responding to your statement.



Someone in 1865 may have made rope for their farm, no doubt. I don't know anyone buying weed for rope or paper today.

No one buys weed for rope or paper today which is true, but they never did so in the first place. The plant weed comes from is of poor fiber quality.

[XxsourdieselxX]

omg did yal read that post? thier using it for making concrete stonger and benz is using for, composites in doors,

[sanantonio]

omg did yal read that post? thier using it for making concrete stonger and benz is using for, composites in doors,

Yep read that, without question it's economic value should be considered but mankind has always made stupid decisions and will continue to do so.

[conviction]

I would rather it be decriminalized then legal, It would save us a lot of money in prison costs alone and help out Mexico a little in their problem they are currently having.

It would keep weed cheaper too but i think it would be in the best interest of the government to fully legalize than do that based on the fact they can make a profit from it. I can't see why marijuana can't become a major cash crop here in the US.