Obama

[levdgg]

Great president or GREATEST president?

[MonoxideChild]

The most normal, milquetoasty president ever? Is that an option?

[Nevada_Ballin]

Won't know until this first term is up. He can't be the worst, that belongs to his predecessor :)

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[MonoxideChild]

I think people forget that there are roughly 400 people in office right now that have some say in how things are managed. The President isn't really what people think he is. It kills me whne I hear people say, "Obama's gonna do this or that", when in reality, there's not a whole lot he can just do because he wants to, except for some foreign relations policies. We SHOULD be talking about what Hillary is doing, or where the hell Tim Geithner has been hiding. For whatever reason, talking about the president brings out the weirdest ebullient like or dislike.

[RicoVacilon]

If he raises taxes on anyone honestly I don't think he qualifies as either. The rich paying 40% tax is kinda dumb. And I'm all for the redistribution of wealth. But that's not what's happening.

[conviction]

Let's just say Bush Jr was the worst

[TheRealist]

Let's just say Bush Jr was the worst

I respectfully disagree with anyone claiming that George W. Bush was the worst President of all time. Even though I personally place him on my list of the Worst 10.

I'll politely bow out and let you all google Ulysses S. Grant's "Carnival of Corruption" OR Harding OR James Buchanan's innate ability to not give a damn about Southern secession.

[MonoxideChild]

I respectfully disagree with anyone claiming that George W. Bush was the worst President of all time. Even though I personally place him on my list of the Worst 10.

I'll politely bow out and let you all google Ulysses S. Grant's "Carnival of Corruption" OR Harding OR James Buchanan's innate ability to not give a damn about Southern secession.

Agree, 100%. Calling him the worst, is a knee-jerk reaction. Was he great? Nope. Was he good? Not even close. But that's by our relative standards of about the last 50-60 years. Tehre have been plenty of presidents that have done worse, and that have helped lead our country to far greater problems. Although, the whole WMD thing does rank up there.

[resnor]

Obama is the greatest...at spending money we don't have.

[kevin21boston]

Obama is fcking garbage. We don't need 4 years to evaluate his bullsh1t. he's already had a term worth of actions to be evaluated upon.



-Destroyed the value of the dollar

-Prolonged the recession

-Oil has gone from $30 to $72 under his watch

-Gas has gone from $2 to $3 under his watch

-He promised that unemployment wouldn't go higher than 8% if the stimulus plan was passed. It's at 9.5% today- at least that's what the government tells us.

-He went into a meeting with the major health insurance companies a couple of months ago and came out claiming victory. His victory was that the insurers would slow down (READ: NOT DECREASE) the increasing rate of premiums.
-Gave billions to GM and Chrysler, only to have them layoff tens of thousands of employees. If you laid of 30,000 who earn an average of $50,000 then that's $1.5B in labor costs per year. Obama gave GM like $45B alone. What...he didn't have the balls to say DONT LAYOFF ANYONE???

-Gave money to AIG. Enough said. While Bush was giving money to Wells Fargo and Goldman Sachs, companies that just months later are earning billions of dollars and paying back TARP, Obama thinks it's the same thing to give money to GM and AIG. Red Foreman would strike down upon thee and yell DUMBAZZ.

-By far the most underreported, if at all reported, bullsh1t that he's been pulling is the reporting of economic numbers. I have never seen anything like this. Let's say on April 1st the market is expecting a decline in employment numbers by 500,000 people (meaning 500,000 got laid off). Well on that April 1st the government releases the data, which is amazingly only -250,000 jobs. The economy is recovering! But...APRIL FOOLS. The "first revision" comes out on May 1st. It's actually -400,000. Market says "that's worse than we thought but still not bad." Then on June 1st the "final revision" is released showing a loss of 550,000 jobs. The market doesn't care at this point because the data is two months old, but for two months the media reported the economy to be recovering and job losses to be slowing. All lies the whole time because we are getting false economic numbers. Absolutely disgusting...but you will never hear about this. It doesn't make sense for the media to do it. It kills the cash cow.





Face it folks, you can dress up this piggie all you want, but Obama is a failure. There is no way you can dance around that fact. He has literally done nothing good. Your life was way better when you were protesting a war under Bush than today under Obama when you don't have a job and you're behind on your mortgage.




I never would have thought in a million years that Sarah Palin would have been a better president but dammit I'm ready to vote her in in 2012. The way I see it either she's a hardcore Republican which will stick to the partie's values (GOOD) or she'll be too unintelligent to rock the boat and the rest of the republicans will right the ship anyway (ALSO GOOD).

[kevin21boston]

Oh yeah, he throws like a pussy.

[ATM]

Oh yeah, he throws like a pussy.

Shoot better than Rondo though :cool:

[dsteve]

comrade obama is the best dictator ever....just ask one of his propaganda czars

[bearsfan217]

ya mean, worst prez ever?

cash for clunkers = horrible idea

giving billions to AIG, GM = horrible idea

new healthcare propasol = another horrible idea

[conviction]

Agree, 100%. Calling him the worst, is a knee-jerk reaction. Was he great? Nope. Was he good? Not even close. But that's by our relative standards of about the last 50-60 years. Tehre have been plenty of presidents that have done worse, and that have helped lead our country to far greater problems. Although, the whole WMD thing does rank up there.

Relative to modern history (yeah like 50-60 years) the worst ever. He's basically just adding onto Bush's spending. His message of change was to change us from bad to worse.

[kevin21boston]

lol i was having a convo with my mom today and jokingly i was saying that ever since women starting making progress the country has gotten progressively worse-


1860- women starting having their own opinions. Civil War breaks out a year later.

1920- 19th amendment passed; women now have the right to vote. Great Depression begins in 1929.


1990s- women start working. Recession in 2000 and a deep recession in 2009.




my mom followed with this classic line: "That is the most unintelligent thing I've ever heard."


I blame Obama.

[RicoVacilon]

-Oil has gone from $30 to $72 under his watch

lolwut


-Gas has gone from $2 to $3 under his watch
O'rly?


I never would have thought in a million years that Sarah Palin would have been a better president but dammit I'm ready to vote her in in 2012. The way I see it either she's a hardcore Republican which will stick to the partie's values (GOOD) or she'll be too unintelligent to rock the boat and the rest of the republicans will right the ship anyway (ALSO GOOD).

And I never would take political advice from a dude that comes to VG Sports Inc for dating advice.

[RicoVacilon]

cash for clunkers = horrible idea

It's a great idea. Does far more to stimulate the economy than the stimulus bill. Talk about "shovel ready." Shoot if only we never passed the stimulus bill but just this one.

[RicoVacilon]

lol i was having a convo with my mom today and jokingly i was saying that ever since women starting making progress the country has gotten progressively worse-

That's a great idea. No wonder you can't get a girl. :P

Not to mention that your momma was right--you're full of crap.

[dsteve]

It's a great idea. Does far more to stimulate the economy than the stimulus bill. Talk about "shovel ready." Shoot if only we never passed the stimulus bill but just this one.

yeah, great idea.....destroy perfectly working cars in the name of a made up crisis and hand people money.....so they can buy a honda or a toyota.

[RicoVacilon]

yeah, great idea.....destroy perfectly working cars in the name of a made up crisis and hand people money.....so they can buy a honda or a toyota.

Yea, because only Nips benefit from the sale of a honda or toyota amirite?

[kevin21boston]

And I never would take political advice from a dude that comes to VG Sports Inc for dating advice.


at least i have all my hair bro

[SUPDOG]

yeah, great idea.....destroy perfectly working cars in the name of a made up crisis and hand people money.....so they can buy a honda or a toyota.

Yes, and a brand new car payment to boot!

[theanalogkid]

Yea, because only Nips benefit from the sale of a honda or toyota amirite?

Just like selling Crysler to Fiat for next to nothing despite the taxpayers giving billions to them. The economy will very stimulated as american plants are closed and jobs are moved overseas.

Nobody wants GMs and Cryslers failed products. No government handout is going to change that.

[RicoVacilon]

at least i have all my hair bro

Still waitin on the short n curlies tho

[levdgg]

guys there were two options. Please stay within the confines as laid out by the thread starter.

Thanks

Also, look to this thread for some guidance:

http://maddentips.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47091

[TheSphinx 2.0]

It's a great idea. Does far more to stimulate the economy than the stimulus bill. Talk about "shovel ready." Shoot if only we never passed the stimulus bill but just this one.

I have to LOL at you on this one. So subsdizing people to buy cars with government money from companies owned by the government will stimulate the economy how???

If it is such a good plan why not just subsidize people for everything...boats...food...2nd homes...clothes...gold teeth...vacations...plastic surgery.

New Flash: Using borrowed money (that has interst attached to it) to buy depreciating assets IS AN ASININE IDEA. Once again PRINTED MONEY IS NOT FREE!!!!!

That is all.

-jp

[JoeJGibbs]

lmao, did I just read Ulysses Grant's name?

[resnor]

I have to LOL at you on this one. So subsdizing people to buy cars with government money from companies owned by the government will stimulate the economy how???

If it is such a good plan why not just subsidize people for everything...boats...food...2nd homes...clothes...gold teeth...vacations...plastic surgery.

New Flash: Using borrowed money (that has interst attached to it) to buy depreciating assets IS AN ASININE IDEA. Once again PRINTED MONEY IS NOT FREE!!!!!

That is all.

-jp

Sphinx...you must not understand the program properly. If you did, you'd realize what a magnificent program it was, and the genius of the Obama administration in coming up with it.

[sideoutshu]

It's a great idea. Does far more to stimulate the economy than the stimulus bill. Talk about "shovel ready." Shoot if only we never passed the stimulus bill but just this one.

You really believe that?

Forgetting the fact that it is completely artificial (ie: people buying cars now, won't be buying them in two years when they would have bought them...leading to the same problem in two years), where do you think the money is coming from? Why should a middle class family making $200,000 a year get $4,500 in free money to buy another volvo?

Lastly, the amount of money we are talking about is such a drop in the pail that it makes no difference either way. The only practical value of this program is so that the democrats can say that they are at least doing SOMETHING right.

[RicoVacilon]

I have to LOL at you on this one. So subsdizing people to buy cars with government money from companies owned by the government will stimulate the economy how???

Everytime a dollar changes hands its power is multiplied. Isn't that part of capitalism?

[RicoVacilon]

You really believe that?

Believe what? That it's a great idea? Or that it's doing more to stimulate the economy than the stimulus deal?

I'll admit that "great idea" may be a bit much. But I will stand by the second part. The stimulus bill was a whitewash. And I said back when it was going down that I wish Obama was saving his political capital for something more worthwhile. Now that there's something more worthwhile he's having trouble gittin er done.