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[MoneyMo]

the HB direct offense. Pain in the but to stop.
http://www.operationsports.com/JJ%20Sticks/blog/

We got to either A ban the playbook or B ban the direct play.

[Nevada_Ballin]

My view... if it's not a glitch and just something that's hard to stop, then it shouldn't be banned. It's up to us as players to learn defenses to clamp down on it.

If it is a glitch and cannot be defended, then it should be banned.


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[MoneyMo]

My view... if it's not a glitch and just something that's hard to stop, then it shouldn't be banned. It's up to us as players to learn defenses to clamp down on it.

If it is a glitch and cannot be defended, then it should be banned.


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You really want to try and stop that? It's not fun from personal experience. Imagine Maclin and Jackson out for the screens with Westbrook at RB and Vick at QB. You would have to guess right all 4 times to stop this or else it's gonna be a first down or a TD. If you want when I get back next Saturday I'll do this all game and see if you can stop it.

[Highlander]

My view... if it's not a glitch and just something that's hard to stop, then it shouldn't be banned. It's up to us as players to learn defenses to clamp down on it.

If it is a glitch and cannot be defended, then it should be banned.


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I guess I havent had it run on me, but have no problem with it, its like seeing the Wildcat in lobby games

[bearsfan217]

well i have a hell of a time stopping the WILDCAT, but folks will use the hell out of that formation im sure..to say no using the HB Direct, whats not to say no wildcat then?

[MoneyMo]

I guess I havent had it run on me, but have no problem with it, its like seeing the Wildcat in lobby games

Wildcat is easy to shutdown. This is on another level. It's easy to run and very effective. Shutting it down takes some skills and luck.

[Markthesnowman]

I agree if you ban the HB direct you should do the same with the wildcat.
If people dont over use these plays we should be fine.

[MoneyMo]

well i have a hell of a time stopping the WILDCAT, but folks will use the hell out of that formation im sure..to say no using the HB Direct, whats not to say no wildcat then?

Wildcat is so easy to shutdown. Cover 2 man out of the dime. Hot route both of your safeties to contain pinch your dline and force them to go outside. Wildcat no more. If they try to pass you still have decent coverage (not that it even matters).

[djKianoosh]

MM, i had a guy run this same HB Direct Snap crap on me with the panthers, but he also mixed in a PA play that sucked in the OLB and ended up having the HB wide open. I started to shut it down partially after about two or three drives, but by then it was a bit too late. Even then, you're right, you basically have to guess right 4 straight times or else it's a big play or TD. and you have to have ridiculously good stick to cover that HB and/or screen with either your DE or OLB.

This is the kind of crap I don't want in our NGML league games. sorry but that stuff just bothers me. sure I can stop it after a few drives, but it's annoying to contend with all game long. Mind you, i'm not a world beater, and I get my butt handed to me from time to time and I don't mind getting beat or even getting beat badly. But when you have to defend or attack the same thing over and over and over again, it gets monotonous and tedious. A good variety of plays earns a lot of respect in my book, even if i'm getting torched.

so while I know a lot of guys here have some problems with the proposed rules from earlier today, please help us figure out how to prevent crap like this. please. for the betterment of the league.

[Nevada_Ballin]

You really want to try and stop that? It's not fun from personal experience. Imagine Maclin and Jackson out for the screens with Westbrook at RB and Vick at QB. You would have to guess right all 4 times to stop this or else it's gonna be a first down or a TD. If you want when I get back next Saturday I'll do this all game and see if you can stop it.

i ain't scared..... i defend the wildcat very well so... i say bring that HB Direct. If i can't stop it today, i promise i'll be able to stop it tomorrow. :D


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[MoneyMo]

i ain't scared..... i defend the wildcat very well so... i say bring that HB Direct. If i can't stop it today, i promise i'll be able to stop it tomorrow. :D


I'm sure you can stop any of those plays, but when you combine the plays as a cheese scheme (PA pass, WR screen, regular pass, and HB direct) it becomes a guessing game since it takes different setups to stop them. If you ban the direct all together and limit screen passes it will prevent this from happening.

[Indecline]

heres the difference between the wildcat and hb direct snap.

Wildcat: lot is restricted, there is a pause from when the HB gets the ball to when he starts running.

HB direct snap: HB gets the ball and is almost immediately at the line and its almost a guarenteed 4 yard gain every time. Mixed with screens and other pass plays its next to unstoppable.

anybody whos encountered this, like me and Mo knows that this may be the most deadly offense this year.

[Nevada_Ballin]

heres the difference between the wildcat and hb direct snap.

Wildcat: lot is restricted, there is a pause from when the HB gets the ball to when he starts running.

HB direct snap: HB gets the ball and is almost immediately at the line and its almost a guarenteed 4 yard gain every time. Mixed with screens and other pass plays its next to unstoppable.

anybody whos encountered this, like me and Mo knows that this may be the most deadly offense this year.

Dude, please reduce that sig pic.... thanks :)


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[Indecline]

Dude, please reduce that sig pic.... thanks :)


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Only if I get a free pair of phat grips.

[drunkenstarfish]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice comeback!

Nevada's jackal defense against MoneyMo's offense or MoneyMo's borrowed cheese scheme?








I am taking MoneyMo with any offense truthfully.

[huntin1]

the HB direct offense. Pain in the but to stop.
http://www.operationsports.com/JJ%20Sticks/blog/

We got to either A ban the playbook or B ban the direct play.

I faced this scheme in a play now game over the weekend. The guy used the Vikings and it was almost impossible to stop. I think even the guys with the best stick skills would have a tremendous time stopping this scheme.

[djKianoosh]

for real though, if MoneyMo and huntin find something to be a pain, I don't want nooooo part of it.

[jerseyjay14]

for real though, if MoneyMo and huntin find something to be a pain, I don't want nooooo part of it.

nothing wrong with a good scheme as far as im concerned. if it s aplay thats one thing. but a good scheme is what its all about, no?

[djKianoosh]

a good scheme is one thing, but in reality everything can be potentially stopped. but in this specific case, we're talking about a deadly combination of plays that is not only very difficult to slow down, but makes it really no fun to play against, because it's basically a combo of 4 or 5 plays, that's it. that's not really a 'scheme' per se. it's more of a gimmick. and sure, there's skill to it, there's some level of genius to it, ok. i'll buy that. but how enjoyable is it for the rest of the league if like 2 or 3 people can successfully pull this off and dominate everyone else? it's subjective...

[TheUnaDonkey]

yeah, this isn't the NFL here.

Schemes are fine as long as you have a few, not just 3-4 plays run all game.

Everyone wants to win, but having fun should come first.

[jerseyjay14]

a good scheme is one thing, but in reality everything can be potentially stopped. but in this specific case, we're talking about a deadly combination of plays that is not only very difficult to slow down, but makes it really no fun to play against, because it's basically a combo of 4 or 5 plays, that's it. that's not really a 'scheme' per se. it's more of a gimmick. and sure, there's skill to it, there's some level of genius to it, ok. i'll buy that. but how enjoyable is it for the rest of the league if like 2 or 3 people can successfully pull this off and dominate everyone else? it's subjective...

i dont think a combo of 4 or 5 plays is a gimmick, thats the definition of a scheme to me. 4 or 5 plays thta attack in different ways that keeps the defense guessing...

now if that scheme contains hb direct, and you remove that play, and the scheme is no longer any good, well then its a scheme based of a glitch play.

as long as we are banning any glitch plays no offensive scheme should be an issue

[MoneyMo]

i dont think a combo of 4 or 5 plays is a gimmick, thats the definition of a scheme to me. 4 or 5 plays thta attack in different ways that keeps the defense guessing...

now if that scheme contains hb direct, and you remove that play, and the scheme is no longer any good, well then its a scheme based of a glitch play.

as long as we are banning any glitch plays no offensive scheme should be an issue

Yeah, if you ban the direct and limit screens to 7 a game we should be fine. As far as running a 4-5 play scheme that's not really sim style more tourney style but I can live with that. I know a lot of people in this league don't enjoy playing that way though.

[huntin1]

nothing wrong with a good scheme as far as im concerned. if it s aplay thats one thing. but a good scheme is what its all about, no?

Two screen passes, a HB direct snap and a playaction pass is not what I would call a good scheme for this league. In play now games that would be fine, very difficult to stop but fine with me.

[jerseyjay14]

Two screen passes, a HB direct snap and a playaction pass is not what I would call a good scheme for this league. In play now games that would be fine, very difficult to stop but fine with me.

i dont know, to me it seems like this is the most overly supersim league ive ever seen. i dont see what wrong with having a package of 4-5 plays as part of your scheme. how many formations do you guys have where you consistently run 8-10 or more plays out of them? i mix it up as much as anyone and still only have 4 or 5 formations with packages of 6 or 7 plays each.

people get too caught up with "what happens on sundays" but dont realize what happens on sundays is a result of people adjusting. in madden alot of times defenses dont adjust, so the offense doesnt either. im sure if your favorite team got 8 or 12 yards every time they ran one of their plays ina 5 or 6 play package, they would keep going to that well.

personally i usually run between 25 and 35 different plays a game, but the idea that people never run the same play more then a couple times, cant use screens often, etc along with the other rules makes it seem like guys will be unhappy no matter what.

[Highlander]

nothing wrong with a good scheme as far as im concerned. if it s aplay thats one thing. but a good scheme is what its all about, no?

I Concur with you sir

[huntin1]

i dont know, to me it seems like this is the most overly supersim league ive ever seen. i dont see what wrong with having a package of 4-5 plays as part of your scheme. how many formations do you guys have where you consistently run 8-10 or more plays out of them?

personally i usually run between 25 and 35 different plays a game, but the idea that people never run the same play more then a couple times, cant use screens often, etc along with the other rules makes it seem like guys will be unhappy no matter what.

Its nothing wrong with mixing these plays in some but to only run these 4 plays for the entire game is not a scheme. Don't say it should be easy to stop 4 plays either because until you've faced these 4 particular plays as a "scheme" you wouldn't know how effective they are.

[jerseyjay14]

Its nothing wrong with mixing these plays in some but to only run these 4 plays for the entire game is not a scheme. Don't say it should be easy to stop 4 plays either because until you've faced these 4 particular plays as a "scheme" you wouldn't know how effective they are.

it doesnt matter how hard or easy it is to stop. if i cant stop it, i certainly dont expect the offense to stop doing it. in fact id be upset if they did. i want someones best, not someone chaning it up because of some weird restrictions.

on sunday, the offense wouldnt go away from something if they were gashing the defense with it. usually the defense adjusts, so that isnt the case.

you guys are also really beating your chests like you are super duper gods and if you cant stop it then its a glitch. im sure you and money mo are among if not the best in the league, but you guys really dont need to be talking down to the rest of the league. not all of us PS2 guys are rocket catch juke glitches who know nothing about football and are just here to be whipping boys for the ultra intellectual supersim masters the NG guys are.

[huntin1]

it doesnt matter how hard or easy it is to stop. if i cant stop it, i certainly dont expect the offense to stop doing it. in fact id be upset if they did. i want someones best, not someone chaning it up because of some weird restrictions.

on sunday, the offense wouldnt go away from something if they were gashing the defense with it. usually the defense adjusts, so that isnt the case.

you guys are also really beating your chests like you are super duper gods and if you cant stop it then its a glitch. im sure you and money mo are among if not the best in the league, but you guys really dont need to be talking down to the rest of the league. not all of us PS2 guys are rocket catch juke glitches who know nothing about football and are just here to be whipping boys for the ultra intellectual supersim masters the NG guys are.

I'm not beating my chest I just know how overly effective this "scheme" is and very few people would enjoy a game if they faced it.

Let someone use it in the league then. I bet some of these posts will be changed after someone runs the same 4 plays over and over and they score a TD every drive.

If the HB direct snap is banned this "scheme" is much easier to stop.

[jerseyjay14]

I'm not beating my chest I just know how overly effective this "scheme" is and very few people would enjoy a game if they faced it.

Let someone use it in the league then. I bet some of these posts will be changed after someone runs the same 4 plays over and over and they score a TD every drive.

If the HB direct snap is banned this "scheme" is much easier to stop.

it sounds to me like the scheme is basically playing off the glitchy-ness of HB direct snap. if thats the case it shouldnt be an issue since its likely banned

[Highlander]

Just talking off the cuff, now me I'll probably be bringing up the rear in my division as usual but if Joe Smoe is running an unstoppable or should I say a good scheme it sounds like it must be researched and possibly banned