Rule Vote : Running Up the Score

[djKianoosh]

Should we ban running up the score?

This poll is to decide if we want to keep this rule. However, we haven't specified what constitutes running up the score. Typically it's some score like 50ish-20ish or 60+ vs less than 30. stuff like that.

[djKianoosh]

note the ramifications of this in franchise mode.

1 factor is the progression factor, as players/teams that perform well supposedly progress better/faster. Another smaller point is that since it's a league format, points can eventually be a tiebreaker for making the playoffs.

Also, some leagues haven't outright banned running up the score but they have discouraged it, sort of as an unwritten rule type of thing.

[Nevada_Ballin]

We had an instance once when 2 teams tied for a final playoff spot, the tiebreaker in Madden that determined who kept playing and who went home - points scored.



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[jerseyjay14]

with progression you need to ban it. who are the 7 guys who want people to be able to run up the score? i gaurantee at least 5 or 6 of those 7 people never played in a franchise league....

nothing sucks more then watching a team run up the score every game calling timeouts while up 40 and throwing the ball with 30 seconds left in a game they are way ahead only to be rewarded by having their entire offense get insane progression... meanwhile your guys get nothing because you were classy about winning.

guys need to realize this is a franchise league, and that needs to be taken into account with these rules

[Skinsman 68]

with progression you need to ban it. no one likes scores being run up.

I agree 100% with JJ. Me, I don't care. Beat me by 100 for all I care. But, if you want to keep people in a league, then you have to show some sportsmanship. I mean if you know you have the game won, why are you passing the ball the entire 4th quarter? Conversely, if you know you are beat, don't do stupid crap that just delays the inevitable.

[Nevada_Ballin]

with progression you need to ban it. who are the 7 guys who want people to be able to run up the score? i gaurantee at least 5 or 6 of those 7 people never played in a franchise league....

nothing sucks more then watching a team run up the score every game calling timeouts while up 40 and throwing the ball with 30 seconds left in a game they are way ahead only to be rewarded by having their entire offense get insane progression... meanwhile your guys get nothing because you were classy about winning.

guys need to realize this is a franchise league, and that needs to be taken into account with these rules


Progression is not what it used to be, as players get older they progress much less....

Besides i hate putting chains on people.... if you can't stop someone then get your damn defense up :)


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[Skinsman 68]

Progression is not what it used to be, as players get older they progress much less....

Besides i hate putting chains on people.... if you can't stop someone then get your damn defense up :)


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I don't think that's the issue NB. But, from all of our experience in the leagues over the years, when people are getting blown out by 70 points and the other guy is still bombing it deep the entire 4th quarter, you know that pisses people off. We all have games where things just go very wrong all game wrong (me more than others LOL) and you just want it to end. We have all been playing with each other long enough that we should respect the other guy if that happens and not drag a bad situation out longer than is necessary.

I agree that running up the score should be discouraged and sportsmanship should be encouraged. But, if someone wants to pad their stats and beat you by 100, it probably should not form the basis for someone getting the boot from the league.

[djKianoosh]

i know something much worse than getting my brains beat by 30 points. sitting there on defense every play until the play clock winds down to less than 10 seconds cause the guy wants to make 3 audibles, 5 hot routes, 3 motions and bake a pie.

[drunkenstarfish]

if you can't stop someone then get your damn defense up :)
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One of the weakest and most used excuses on the forum.

I have had people throw the ball against me when they are ahead big. Run no huddle and just about every other schitty tactic you can think of. I for one absolutely hate douche bags who do this sort of thing.
I do not do anything to warrant this either. I will punt on 4th and long. I will still try to move the ball, but I am not going to call timeouts and do onside kicks when down big. If I am giving you the courtesy of a win without the BS give me the same respect in my loss is all I ask.

[TheUnaDonkey]

One of the weakest and most used excuses on the forum.

I have had people throw the ball against me when they are ahead big. Run no huddle and just about every other schitty tactic you can think of. I for one absolutely hate douche bags who do this sort of thing.
I do not do anything to warrant this either. I will punt on 4th and long. I will still try to move the ball, but I am not going to call timeouts and do onside kicks when down big. If I am giving you the courtesy of a win without the BS give me the same respect in my loss is all I ask.

Yeah, if someone is up big on me and calling timeouts/running hurry up, I always just change channels on TV and watch some cable.

Then, the next time we play I will make it torture for them.

Just letting you know, take your pointless TDs. It really doesn't affect me much, other than to lower what little respect I had for Madden players in general.

[jerseyjay14]

i know something much worse than getting my brains beat by 30 points. sitting there on defense every play until the play clock winds down to less than 10 seconds cause the guy wants to make 3 audibles, 5 hot routes, 3 motions and bake a pie.

ive never seen the playclock drop past 10 unless somone took a qb kneel. not sure what your NG league was like last year but the new owners certainly dont waste time snapping the ball

[drunkenstarfish]

Can one of the 8 guys who voted to allow it please explain to me the reasons you have for this?

[djKianoosh]

there are people that do the following, maybe not all game, but enough to be hella annoying:

from 40 to about 30 seconds they choose a play
from 30 to 25 seconds the offense walks to the line of scrimmage
from 25 to below 10 seconds they send people in motion, call audibles, flip the play, hot routes, etc,
then they snap.

:mad:

don't do this.

dont abuse the accelerated clock being off. that's my personal request.



fyi, sometimes it does take a long time to decide on a play, i know, it happens to me too. critical situation, etc etc.. but the above cannot be routine. please.

[jerseyjay14]

there are people that do the following, maybe not all game, but enough to be hella annoying:

from 40 to about 30 seconds they choose a play
from 30 to 25 seconds the offense walks to the line of scrimmage
from 25 to below 10 seconds they send people in motion, call audibles, flip the play, hot routes, etc,
then they snap.

:mad:


don't do this.

dont abuse the accelerated clock being off. that's my personal request.

what is abusing about that? 5 to 10 seconds to choose a play is reasonable, especially with the way they are layed out this year.

the 5 seconds to walk to the line you cant help, thats just the way the game was programmed

10-12seconds of adjustments is fine, considering it takes 8 seconds to send a man in motion alone.

thats 25 to 27 seconds total.

[Nevada_Ballin]

I don't think that's the issue NB. But, from all of our experience in the leagues over the years, when people are getting blown out by 70 points and the other guy is still bombing it deep the entire 4th quarter, you know that pisses people off. We all have games where things just go very wrong all game wrong (me more than others LOL) and you just want it to end. We have all been playing with each other long enough that we should respect the other guy if that happens and not drag a bad situation out longer than is necessary.

I agree that running up the score should be discouraged and sportsmanship should be encouraged. But, if someone wants to pad their stats and beat you by 100, it probably should not form the basis for someone getting the boot from the league.

if we have people who are going to do that kind of thing (tossing bombs when up by 70 pts) then they should be removed from the league. If we have people who are constantly losing games by 40-50 points then maybe this isn't the league for them.

But there have been many times when a guy is losing bad in the 4th qtr and they just don't give a crap, dial it in and are so disappointed in the game they played that they don't care if they get scored on again, even move their players out of the way to let the other guy score again. I'm sorry but if you're going to move out of my way and let me score then guess what, I'm scoring :)


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[Nevada_Ballin]

Can one of the 8 guys who voted to allow it please explain to me the reasons you have for this?

Yea, we're not babies......


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[drunkenstarfish]

Yea, we're not babies......


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I am going to refrain from commenting the way I want to for the better of the league........:)

[djKianoosh]

what is abusing about that? 5 to 10 seconds to choose a play is reasonable, especially with the way they are layed out this year.

the 5 seconds to walk to the line you cant help, thats just the way the game was programmed

10-12seconds of adjustments is fine, considering it takes 8 seconds to send a man in motion alone.

thats 25 to 27 seconds total.

that's borderline annoying for my tastes. maybe others are different. I understand what you're saying. this whole thing gets into a big issue i have with the way madden implements its play clock. it is not proportionally correct to have a 40 second play clock on a 5, 6 or 8 minute quarter. a 40 second play clock is proportional to a 15 minute quarter. the play clock should be reduced if the quarter length is reduced. by the same percentage.

real talk.

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[Nevada_Ballin]

I am going to refrain from commenting the way I want to for the better of the league........:)

you know i wudda got you a tissue if you did :)


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[drunkenstarfish]

Watch out there he goes!!!!!!!!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/drunkenstarfish/moving15.gif

[djKianoosh]

I am going to refrain from commenting the way I want to for the better of the league........:)

that's refreshing :) :cool:

but you know what, maybe some people dont want the rule, but want to have it as an unwritten rule type of thing. ya know?

[drunkenstarfish]

I just do not see the purpose of pouring salt on an open wound. What purpose does it serve to score as many points as you can against a lesser opponent? Does it not kill all fun factor for the player being killed?

[Nevada_Ballin]

I just do not see the purpose of pouring salt on an open wound. What purpose does it serve to score as many points as you can against a lesser opponent? Does it not kill all fun factor for the player being killed?

No one is saying "score as much as you can". Everyone is expected to be good sports and be cool about things. But if there's a situation where someone is moving players out of the way to let me score then I'm going in. Good sportsmanship works both ways.


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[drunkenstarfish]

No one is saying "score as much as you can". Everyone is expected to be good sports and be cool about things. But if there's a situation where someone is moving players out of the way to let me score then I'm going in. Good sportsmanship works both ways.


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How often do people move out of your way? No very often I am wagering.
If that is the case it is ok, but stat padding for progression is gay.

[djKianoosh]

How often do people move out of your way? No very often I am wagering.
agreed, but that's why I say if there's video proof, save the highlight. just saying.


If that is the case it is ok, but stat padding for progression is gay.


I know what you're saying here, but if an owner here is building a young team and needs to get reps in there for, say, his young backup WR or whatever, he's going to try to get him the ball. even late.

Isn't it reasonable if the winning team is using his backups and running his regular offense with some young guys? Now, that's one thing. If the winning team is calling timeouts, running out of bounds (on purpose, not pushed out) etc, then that has no place in this league. If people don't know that they will find out real quick. That's why I wrote in the rules page to give the benefit of the doubt as much as you humanly can. I won't say there's zero tolerance for much of anything, because I think if people see a precedent early they'll get with the program, so to speak. right? am I being too optimistic?

[jerseyjay14]

agreed, but that's why I say if there's video proof, save the highlight. just saying.





I know what you're saying here, but if an owner here is building a young team and needs to get reps in there for, say, his young backup WR or whatever, he's going to try to get him the ball. even late.

Isn't it reasonable if the winning team is using his backups and running his regular offense with some young guys? Now, that's one thing. If the winning team is calling timeouts, running out of bounds (on purpose, not pushed out) etc, then that has no place in this league. If people don't know that they will find out real quick. That's why I wrote in the rules page to give the benefit of the doubt as much as you humanly can. I won't say there's zero tolerance for much of anything, because I think if people see a precedent early they'll get with the program, so to speak. right? am I being too optimistic?

the way i see it, in all the years we have had leagues the rule most often broken is running up the score to get more progression. so maybe you are being a bit optomistic

[drunkenstarfish]

agreed, but that's why I say if there's video proof, save the highlight. just saying.





I know what you're saying here, but if an owner here is building a young team and needs to get reps in there for, say, his young backup WR or whatever, he's going to try to get him the ball. even late.

Isn't it reasonable if the winning team is using his backups and running his regular offense with some young guys? Now, that's one thing. If the winning team is calling timeouts, running out of bounds (on purpose, not pushed out) etc, then that has no place in this league. If people don't know that they will find out real quick. That's why I wrote in the rules page to give the benefit of the doubt as much as you humanly can. I won't say there's zero tolerance for much of anything, because I think if people see a precedent early they'll get with the program, so to speak. right? am I being too optimistic?

Getting reps in and running the score up is the same IMO. If you want that player to progress play him all game. Don't put in a young guy and try to pad his stats against a lesser opponent in order to get more progression for him.

[Nevada_Ballin]

the way i see it, in all the years we have had leagues the rule most often broken is running up the score to get more progression. so maybe you are being a bit optomistic

gotta remember progression is toned down a bit too, we need to see how it plays out after season 1 i think.

But all of us know what good sportsmanship is and we should all play in that state of mind. I think that's the main point we want to get across with the whole score run-up thing.


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[huntin1]

There is a big difference in beating someone by 50 and running up the score. If I'm up by 28 am I supposed 2 just stop trying 2 move the ball? Or not return INT's or punts or kickoffs for TD's? Now just airing it out and calling timeouts when up big is just BS.

[TheUnaDonkey]

I guess "Don't be a dick" should be an unwritten rule here.

Anyone you wrong will remember it.

[jerseyjay14]

There is a big difference in beating someone by 50 and running up the score. If I'm up by 28 am I supposed 2 just stop trying 2 move the ball? Or not return INT's or punts or kickoffs for TD's? Now just airing it out and calling timeouts when up big is just BS.

if you are up by 28th in the 4th quarter there is really no excuse to throw the ball other then maybe on a 3rd down. even then... im just pounding the rock and punting.

up 28 in the first half, different story. im running my offense. i probably change my defense to be less agressive and maximize how long it take my opponent to score

[MoneyMo]

I voted no but sometimes scores still get ran up. Last year the only time I pulled a Urban Myer was on Kalirax and that's because I though he was lagging. I had a lot of high scores but in all those games except for the one mentioned above I just ran the ball in the 4th and in some the whole the second half. If my running back breaks a run I'm not going to fall since I feel that's even more disrespectful, samething if I get a turnover and return it back for 6. I will definitely try to get backups in this year though in a blowout scenerio (I already lost Ronnie Brown for 6 weeks in another franchise I'm in). Last year I didn't feel like pausing the game and spending 5 min rearranging my depth chart.

I will like to remind people that guys get injured fairly easy in this game, so be careful when your guys get red.

[Skinsman 68]

if you are up by 28th in the 4th quarter there is really no excuse to throw the ball other then maybe on a 3rd down. even then... im just pounding the rock and punting.

up 28 in the first half, different story. im running my offense. i probably change my defense to be less agressive and maximize how long it take my opponent to score

I agree. I think in the 1st half, you have got to have the hammer down and whatever happens happens. But, the 2nd half is when you can ease off a bit and just start pounding the ball for a while.

Of course, I am never in the "ease off" position so I am not sure what that would actually feel like LOL

[jerseyjay14]

I agree. I think in the 1st half, you have got to have the hammer down and whatever happens happens. But, the 2nd half is when you can ease off a bit and just start pounding the ball for a while.

Of course, I am never in the "ease off" position so I am not sure what that would actually feel like LOL

the other thing is, if you look around the league and see other guys dropping 50 and 60 points, you feel pressure to do the same to keep up. one blowout encourages others to do it

[huntin1]

if you are up by 28th in the 4th quarter there is really no excuse to throw the ball other then maybe on a 3rd down. even then... im just pounding the rock and punting.

up 28 in the first half, different story. im running my offense. i probably change my defense to be less agressive and maximize how long it take my opponent to score

So what you are saying is that you can beat someone 50-0 as long as you score the 50 in the first 3 quarters? I'm all against running up the score but if I'm up big with more than 3 minutes left why should I run out of bounds if my RB breaks one for a TD?

If I'm up big in the fourth I always run the ball to take off some of the clock but I shouldn't be limited to running HB dives every play just because my opponent can't stop anything else.

[jerseyjay14]

So what you are saying is that you can beat someone 50-0 as long as you score the 50 in the first 3 quarters?

actually no the 3rd quarter isnt in the first half... unless something changed and i missed it

If I'm up big in the fourth I always run the ball to take off some of the clock but I shouldn't be limited to running HB dives every play just because my opponent can't stop anything else.

who said run hb dive every play? i dont recall saying that. ill double check, but im pretty sure i didnt say that

[Dane Thorpe]

I think running up the score would be that your team is winning by large, and start doing risky things at the 4th quarter with only a minute or maybe two on the clock. Such as going for it on 4th down with a minute left, going for a 2 point conversion rather than the PAT, doing an onside kick rather than the usual kick off, doing "Hail Mary" type plays or any lob passing plays, doing hurry ups, and any play that forces the clock to stop running.

While for the back ups to do mop up duty, I don't know. :)

As for the defense, its different. Running up the score shouldn't apply to the defense at all. Its not unusual for a defensive back to pick it off from the quarterback, and get a touchdown in the after math. This is a good thing for the quarterback, because he gets the ball back, and tries to get better at his precision passing.

"there's nothing that I hate more for a team to run up the score." - Lee Corso

[btbindaclutch]

I voted ban it...I hope we don't have any belichicks here lol...I'm just wishin for some realistic scores and stats

[djKianoosh]

looks like we're probably going to ban running up the score, but the specifics of this rule need to be worked out. can someone come up with the wording please? :D