UPS drops ALL Fox advertising

[JoeJGibbs]

Thoughts?


And now, not only UPS but a total of 33 companies have joined the boycott, including Clorox, CVS, and Sprint.


(I couldn't actually find a link that wasn't blogged or slanted in one direction)

[Paydirt404]

Damn they are taking a beating....I cant say Im not enjoying it.

[sideoutshu]

Damn they are taking a beating....I cant say Im not enjoying it.

How are they taking a beating? Lost revenue? Doubtful. It isn't like the network with the most watched cable news shows is hurting to sell ad space. So what if a bunch of companies who don't advertise on Fox anyway said they won't advertise on Fox?

[bk1998]

Thoughts?



(I couldn't actually find a link that wasn't blogged or slanted in one direction)

Link?

Fox or FoxNews? UPS won't be advertising during NFL games? Please.

[sideoutshu]

After further review, the original post isn't even accurate. Firstly, the 36companies that made the "pledge" to the "color of change" (a group founded by an offical who ranks reasonably high in the Obama administration....hmmmm) said they won't advertise on Becks show, not Fox in general.

It is silly that Clorox was cited specifically as they released a statement saying that they are not adverticing on ANY political talk shows. It has nothing to do with Beck specifically, other then this controversy possibly being the catalyst.

In any event.....who cares? Do you think Fox News does? Every piece of press this story gets drives Beck's ratings higher....thereby raising the price they can sell ads for to the other 2 gazillions potential advertisers in America.

[RicoVacilon]

How are they taking a beating? Lost revenue? Doubtful. It isn't like the network with the most watched cable news shows is hurting to sell ad space. So what if a bunch of companies who don't advertise on Fox anyway said they won't advertise on Fox?

Yea, I'm sure their sales department isn't worried one bit. . . :confused:

[RicoVacilon]

Firstly

Here's a hint--you don't have a "firstly" without a "secondly."

[SUPDOG]

Here's a hint--you don't have a "firstly" without a "secondly."

Uh oh, I think reality has made lil rico a bit testy.

Don't let your hate own your mind their son.

[dsteve]

so guess what? I wont buy products from companies that boycott beck because of his right to free speech, because guess what? OBAMA IS A RACIST! The whole clip, even if you disagree, is well thought out by beck and if you can't atleast understand( dont have to agree with it) his opinion based on what he said then youre a douche.

[maddenman1]

so guess what? I wont buy products from companies that boycott beck because of his right to free speech, because guess what? OBAMA IS A RACIST! The whole clip, even if you disagree, is well thought out by beck and if you can't atleast understand( dont have to agree with it) his opinion based on what he said then youre a douche.

he said that Obama has a hatred towards white people


beck was then asked if he though Obama hates white people...he said no.


very well thought out :rolleyes:

[sideoutshu]

Yea, I'm sure their sales department isn't worried one bit. . . :confused:

Just tell me why they would be worried? Their ratings are through the roof, and they are just moving the people who don't want to be on Beck to other programs.

[sanantonio]

This is what the more then confused GB said. Obama has a deep seeded hatred for white people and almost in the same breath he say's that he wasn't saying Obama doesn't like white people. Huh? :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI_0Kt_e3Go

If I was an advertiser I would leave for his inability to focus alone.

[SUPDOG]

This is what the more then confused GB said. Obama has a deep seeded hatred for white people and almost in the same breath he say's that he wasn't saying Obama doesn't like white people. Huh? :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI_0Kt_e3Go

If I was an advertiser I would leave for his inability to focus alone.

I do think Obama is a racist.

He was a J. Wright disciple, was he not?

Is J Wright a racist?

The VP is definitely a racist.

[sanantonio]

I do think Obama is a racist.

He was a J. Wright disciple, was he not?

Is J Wright a racist?

The VP is definitely a racist.

No to all of the above you humorless mushroom.

[JoeJGibbs]

No to all of the above you humorless mushroom.

:pZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING! GOOFYGOOFYGOOFGOOFGOOFBALLGOOFGOOBERDOOBERGOOOGYBO OGYGOOF!

[SUPDOG]

No to all of the above you humorless mushroom.

Don't let your emotions dictate your responses.

You are like a well programmed Obama-bot. You have been trained to flip-flop with the best of them.

3 weeks ago you agreed that Biden was a racist.

Now that you are getting it handed to you??????

lol....:p

[SUPDOG]

:pZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING! GOOFYGOOFYGOOFGOOFGOOFBALLGOOFGOOBERDOOBERGOOOGYBO OGYGOOF!

All caps? With enlarged font to boot? Wow. Someone must be pushin' your buttons, eh?

P.S. The clip in your sig demonstrates what a classless snake you are. Repent ye snake!

[Paydirt404]

The responses in this thread are hilarious.....

[sanantonio]

Don't let your emotions dictate your responses.

You are like a well programmed Obama-bot. You have been trained to flip-flop with the best of them.

3 weeks ago you agreed that Biden was a racist.

Now that you are getting it handed to you??????

lol....:p

Per usual you are wrong again I never agreed that Biden was a racist but like I said you are very good at spin. Are you sure you and Bill O'rielly aren't related? Here is what I actually said:


Originally Posted by sanantonio
See Sup you could have done this a long time ago and got your answer but I see stubborness is one of your traits as well.

Bidens comments were racist imo and at the very least insensitive which would point to him being more of a dumazz. I think in his case a little bit of both (insensitive and dumazz) may apply.

But see here is my issue with you and side whenever a case is made against a conservative or a Republican you both feel the need to reply with "but look at ..............." which usually turns out to be someone on the left or liberal. You can debate a thread without trying to point out what the other side is doing at least in my mind you can.

From now on I will call you the humorless mushroom master of spin. It's what you're good at :p.

[JoeJGibbs]

Per usual you are wrong again I never agreed that Biden was a racist but like I said you are very good at spin. Are you sure you and Bill O'rielly aren't related? Here is what I actually said:



From now on I will call you the humorless mushroom master of spin. It's what you're good at :p.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzing! :p

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[dsteve]

he said that Obama has a hatred towards white people


beck was then asked if he though Obama hates white people...he said no.


very well thought out :rolleyes:



watch the whole ten minute clip. obama is racist. hes pro affirmative action which = racist. he blames a white cop when his idiot black friend is a douche bag before he even knows what happened? racist.

[Nevada_Ballin]

No to all of the above you humorless mushroom.

Humorless mushroom? Dayum, every mushroom i ever had made me laugh my freakin asz off........

oops........ TMI


:)


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[dsteve]

I do think Obama is a racist.

He was a J. Wright disciple, was he not?

Is J Wright a racist?

The VP is definitely a racist.




biden is stupid racist. hes just stupid. obama is black nationalist/marxism for social justice racist. The kind of person that always thinks the "man" is keeping the black man down.



id also argue obama is racist towards black people, the targets of most of the social welfare programs along with other over representations of poor in this country. when you hand people things, they dont know how to get them for themselves. They become dependent, which is the ultimate goal of a socialist creeping towards toltarianism/1984 state.


Thoams Sowell. look him up and see what he says about government destroying the black family.

[Nevada_Ballin]

biden is stupid racist. hes just stupid. obama is black nationalist/marxism for social justice racist. The kind of person that always thinks the "man" is keeping the black man down.



id also argue obama is racist towards black people, the targets of most of the social welfare programs along with other over representations of poor in this country. when you hand people things, they dont know how to get them for themselves. They become dependent, which is the ultimate goal of a socialist creeping towards toltarianism/1984 state.


Thoams Sowell. look him up and see what he says about government destroying the black family.

Let me get this right, you're saying that a half white/half black man is racist against whites and blacks? How does that work? lol


.

[dsteve]

Let me get this right, you're saying that a half white/half black man is racist against whites and blacks? How does that work? lol


.



hes black. black people look at him and say hes black. white people look at him and say hes black. the half and half game doesnt work and its a stupid argument. wouldnt expect anything different from you though...lol


Social justice is a code word for racism. deny it all you want, but thats what it is. this social justice, which equates to hand outs is also detrmental to those it intends to help which so happens to be mostly blacks, hispanics and other minorities that fall below the poverty line. sure white people get welfare, but not nearly at the rate as other races. it makes them dependent on the government which in turn buys the party votes. at the same time it makes them lazy/unmotivated to find jobs and in most cases, if they find jobs they lose their welfare checks.


go ahead, tell me this guy is wrong 2. DR. Thomas sowell



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GklCBvS-eI

[Nevada_Ballin]

hes black. black people look at him and say hes black. white people look at him and say hes black. the half and half game doesnt work and its a stupid argument. wouldnt expect anything different from you though...lol


Social justice is a code word for racism. deny it all you want, but thats what it is. this social justice, which equates to hand outs is also detrmental to those it intends to help which so happens to be mostly blacks, hispanics and other minorities that fall below the poverty line. sure white people get welfare, but not nearly at the rate as other races. it makes them dependent on the government which in turn buys the party votes. at the same time it makes them lazy/unmotivated to find jobs and in most cases, if they find jobs they lose their welfare checks.


go ahead, tell me this guy is wrong 2. DR. Thomas sowell



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GklCBvS-eI

A stupid "argument"? lmao..... His mom is white and his dad was black, there's no "argument" there.


.

[Nevada_Ballin]

hes black. black people look at him and say hes black. white people look at him and say hes black. the half and half game doesnt work and its a stupid argument. wouldnt expect anything different from you though...lol


Social justice is a code word for racism. deny it all you want, but thats what it is. this social justice, which equates to hand outs is also detrmental to those it intends to help which so happens to be mostly blacks, hispanics and other minorities that fall below the poverty line. sure white people get welfare, but not nearly at the rate as other races. it makes them dependent on the government which in turn buys the party votes. at the same time it makes them lazy/unmotivated to find jobs and in most cases, if they find jobs they lose their welfare checks.


go ahead, tell me this guy is wrong 2. DR. Thomas sowell



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GklCBvS-eI

As for your "social justice" rant .... grow up and stop being a bitter old man.


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[dsteve]

A stupid "argument"? lmao..... His mom is white and his dad was black, there's no "argument" there.


.


do you have a mental block on truth? its a stupid argument when applied to the idea that he cant be racist.


wasnt hitler part jewish?...or so the rumor goes.

[Nevada_Ballin]

do you have a mental block on truth? its a stupid argument when applied to the idea that he cant be racist.


wasnt hitler part jewish?...or so the rumor goes.

Rumor... now you're going to argue with rumor?

bitter
old
man



lol


.

[conviction]

watch the whole ten minute clip. obama is racist. hes pro affirmative action which = racist. he blames a white cop when his idiot black friend is a douche bag before he even knows what happened? racist.

Oh yes, affirmative action. Non racist people support this legislation but it just shows their ignorance to a truly free society. I do agree however that Obama was unjust with his comments about the cop thing. Honestly he should have never touched that topic.

Who cares about his personal life anyway, its just the legislation he supports and passes that matters. Lets just say that this man will put us into stagflation depression, I think that is what matters than bull****ting around whether or not hes racist.

[resnor]

I fail to see how being part white would preclude someone from being racist towards whites. Someone could be part white, and resent the white part, and even hate whites, if they believed that being black was better.

Also, being racist does not automatically equal hating someone. Quite simply, racism is merely thinking that one group of people is better than another group of people based on inherent physical traits. Thus, one could definitely be a racist, thinking that blacks are better than whites (or vice versa), but not hate white people. There is a difference between hatred and racism, but in today's world, many people mistakenly consider the two to be mutual.

[sanantonio]

How many of our past Presidents were accused of racism?

[theanalogkid]

How many of our past Presidents were accused of racism?

Everyone is racist at a certain level.

[SUPDOG]

Per usual you are wrong again I never agreed that Biden was a racist but like I said you are very good at spin. Are you sure you and Bill O'rielly aren't related? Here is what I actually said:



From now on I will call you the humorless mushroom master of spin. It's what you're good at :p.

Bidens comments were racist imo


LOL!

[sideoutshu]

A stupid "argument"? lmao..... His mom is white and his dad was black, there's no "argument" there.


.

No, what is "stupid" is you suggesting that there is anyone in the universe that would consider Obama white.

I don't get why you make these types of statements, because you absolutely HAVE to know better.

[sideoutshu]

How many of our past Presidents were accused of racism?

Pretty much all of them. Just go looking through the Farrakhan/Sharpton/Rev. Wright/Kanye West databank.

[resnor]

Everyone is racist at a certain level.

Not sure that I agree with this statement.

[dsteve]

Rumor... now you're going to argue with rumor?

bitter
old
man



lol


.


again, you miss the point or refuse to argue logically because like with most liberals, sound logic is your enemy.

[dsteve]

I fail to see how being part white would preclude someone from being racist towards whites. Someone could be part white, and resent the white part, and even hate whites, if they believed that being black was better.

Also, being racist does not automatically equal hating someone. Quite simply, racism is merely thinking that one group of people is better than another group of people based on inherent physical traits. Thus, one could definitely be a racist, thinking that blacks are better than whites (or vice versa), but not hate white people. There is a difference between hatred and racism, but in today's world, many people mistakenly consider the two to be mutual.



I disagree. Racism isn't thinking someone is better based on race, it's giving special treatment to those people based on race. Sometimes hate is the cause for the racism but the actual definition is preferential treatment based on race. Social justice implies the logic that to correct the injustice of the past, we must now "lend a hand" to those affected. Didn't your mamma ever tell you that two wrongs don't make a right? If race discrimination was wrong then, it's still wrong now. See the New haven CT fire fighters as an example and thankfully our **** supreme court actually got it right.


The true nature of the government hand out programs can only be seen as a means of getting people hooked. "Vote for me, I'll give you money" is the pathway for the destruction of a republic as seen by history. When people realize they can vote for the person who will raid the treasury for them, a republic is doomed. The government of progressive movements is all about control because "big brother knows best". There's no need for federal help in anything that the free market can handle. I think it's logically retarded to put people in charge of free market institutions like health care, banks, auto industry etc when they have no experience. The only reason for this "take over" is control of money and power. If you think this admin or the last one (hell since regan really) is truley for the better of this country, you need to wake up.




Tell this ****ing government, "DON'T TREAD ON ME!"

[sanantonio]

Bidens comments were racist imo


LOL!

You said "3 weeks ago you agreed that Biden was a racist". I did no such thing. I said his comments let me repeat for the slower ones reading this that Joe Bidens COMMENTS were racist. I never said nor implied that he was a racist spinmiester.

[sanantonio]

Pretty much all of them. Just go looking through the Farrakhan/Sharpton/Rev. Wright/Kanye West databank.

I don't recall much if any press about past Presidents being racist. Kanye West? Are you serious?

[SUPDOG]

You said "3 weeks ago you agreed that Biden was a racist". I did no such thing. I said his comments let me repeat for the slower ones reading this that Joe Bidens COMMENTS were racist. I never said nor implied that he was a racist spinmiester.

So non-racist peole say racist things!

LOL! Classic clueless San An!

What a joke!

LOL!

[resnor]

Dsteve, you are wrong with your definition of racism. From Merriam-Webster, the first, and thereby the best, definition is this:

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

Racism is simply believing that you're superior based on your race. It has nothing to do, inherently, with special treatment. Special treatment
may, however, be a byproduct.

So, yes, someone can be racist and not hate. Glenn Beck could be right.

[sanantonio]

So non-racist peole say racist things!

LOL! Classic clueless San An!

What a joke!

LOL!

By your definition no but I have friends that make statements or jokes of a racist nature which in no way form or fashion make them racist. Everything is not an absolute with the exception of you being a clueless ostrich with head firmly entrenched.

[SUPDOG]

Dsteve, you are wrong with your definition of racism. From Merriam-Webster, the first, and thereby the best, definition is this:

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

Racism is simply believing that you're superior based on your race. It has nothing to do, inherently, with special treatment. Special treatment
may, however, be a byproduct.

So, yes, someone can be racist and not hate. Glenn Beck could be right.

So Res, by your definiton here, would you say someone who says that another race has never been clean or intelligent would make that person a racist? (presuming that the said person believes that their race is clean and intelligent).

[SUPDOG]

By your definition no but I have friends that make statements or jokes of a racist nature which in no way form or fashion make them racist. Everything is not an absolute with the exception of you being a clueless ostrich with head firmly entrenched.

LOLOLOLOLOL! Wow, this is sig worthy!:)

[Nevada_Ballin]

No, what is "stupid" is you suggesting that there is anyone in the universe that would consider Obama white.

.


^^^ is a stupid comment......



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[Nevada_Ballin]

again, you miss the point or refuse to argue logically because like with most liberals, sound logic is your enemy.

Give it a break, you're gonna sit there and spit out garbage like Hitler was half jewish (which is not true) and then try to talk about arguing logically? You don't even know what you're talking about half the time...




.

[sanantonio]

LOLOLOLOLOL! Wow, this is sig worthy!:)

What color is grass in your world?

[dsteve]

Dsteve, you are wrong with your definition of racism. From Merriam-Webster, the first, and thereby the best, definition is this:

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

Racism is simply believing that you're superior based on your race. It has nothing to do, inherently, with special treatment. Special treatment
may, however, be a byproduct.

So, yes, someone can be racist and not hate. Glenn Beck could be right.


the special treatment would also be racist would it not? The fact that they need "help" doesnt show any kind of superiority which is needed for your definition.

[levdgg]

EL OH EL at:

Gibbs and Dsteve trolling and eliciting responses.

SUPDOG being offended by Gibbs' sig and trying to prove he has a sense of humor by adding an "lol" or smiley face with every post.

Rico and Sideout's private romance.

They need to merge this section back to the sports bar.

[dsteve]

EL OH EL at:

Gibbs and Dsteve trolling and eliciting responses.

SUPDOG being offended by Gibbs' sig and trying to prove he has a sense of humor by adding an "lol" or smiley face with every post.

Rico and Sideout's private romance.

They need to merge this section back to the sports bar.



how is expressing my opinion and explaining it trolling? Just because I don't agree with you doesnt mean im trolling but yet again another example of not being able to argue with logic and resorting to name calling. lame.

[levdgg]

how is expressing my opinion and explaining it trolling? Just because I don't agree with you doesnt mean im trolling but yet again another example of not being able to argue with logic and resorting to name calling. lame.

Who said we didn't agree? Explain YOUR logic.

Also, capitalize.

[SUPDOG]

el oh el at:

Gibbs and dsteve trolling and eliciting responses.

Supdog being offended by gibbs' sig and trying to prove he has a sense of humor by adding an "lol" or smiley face with every post.

Rico and sideout's private romance.

They need to merge this section back to the sports bar.

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Paydirt404]

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bullsheeeeit, keep this over here.

[conviction]

So Res, by your definiton here, would you say someone who says that another race has never been clean or intelligent would make that person a racist? (presuming that the said person believes that their race is clean and intelligent).

your such a goofball :p

[SUPDOG]

your such a goofball :p

Yes, I know............

People who say racist things are not racists in the world of San An.

However, people who don't say racist things (like me) are racist because they are not liberal democrats!

LOLOLOLLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111:eek:

Only in la la.

[sanantonio]

Yes, I know............

People who say racist things are not racists in the world of San An.

However, people who don't say racist things (like me) are racist because they are not liberal democrats!

LOLOLOLLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111:eek:

Only in la la.

What Conviction said :rolleyes:

[JoeJGibbs]

your such a goofball :p

hahahhhhahaa ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZING!



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[theanalogkid]

Not sure that I agree with this statement.

There's plenty of hypothetical scenarios that would expose racism at a primitive level in everyone.

For instance, your on a plane in Iran, and a military officer comes on the plane asking for any Americans on the plane to get off. He escorts to a building. What do you feel in that situation?

[sideoutshu]

I don't recall much if any press about past Presidents being racist. Kanye West? Are you serious?

Are you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUzLpO1kxI

[resnor]

Dsteve, there does not have to be preferential treatment for there to be racism. Were slave owners racist? Did their slaves get "preferential" treatment? The only thing necessary, in order to be racist, is to have the belief that your race is better than another race, simply because of physical traits that your race has. Like I said, preferential treatment might come out of this...things like affirmative action, etc. (even though AA is there to try to make up for past wrongs, it still gives the impression that blacks can't do it on their own, they need help, which, IMO is a result of being racist...). You can't confuse racism with the results of racism.

[sanantonio]

Are you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUzLpO1kxI

Lol I thought at best there was a modicum of truth to what Kanye said but to equate Kanye to Glenn Beck's firestorm? That is a serious stretch plus GWB's feelings about the black community in the black community was a given anyway.

[resnor]

So you are saying that George W. Bush hates black people?

You are so not independent, Sanan.

[JoeJGibbs]

So you are saying that George W. Bush hates black people?

You are so not independent, Sanan.

lol he doesn't hate black people.
He just doesn't care about them. :p

[sanantonio]

So you are saying that George W. Bush hates black people?

You are so not independent, Sanan.

No I have no idea how he actually feels about black people just giving my perception of how he feels.

[dsteve]

Dsteve, there does not have to be preferential treatment for there to be racism. Were slave owners racist? Did their slaves get "preferential" treatment? The only thing necessary, in order to be racist, is to have the belief that your race is better than another race, simply because of physical traits that your race has. Like I said, preferential treatment might come out of this...things like affirmative action, etc. (even though AA is there to try to make up for past wrongs, it still gives the impression that blacks can't do it on their own, they need help, which, IMO is a result of being racist...). You can't confuse racism with the results of racism.



so if welfare and AA programs are racist....who hates them? The people putting out the programs? Slave owners hating blacks is a tricky subject. They were bought and sold like animals by their own people in africa. I'd think the hate and superior attitude happened when they tried to free themselves.


maybe there are different kinds of racism because as it seems the pref. treatment and hate can both be absent and racism exisits.

[resnor]

so if welfare and AA programs are racist....who hates them? The people putting out the programs? Slave owners hating blacks is a tricky subject. They were bought and sold like animals by their own people in africa. I'd think the hate and superior attitude happened when they tried to free themselves.


maybe there are different kinds of racism because as it seems the pref. treatment and hate can both be absent and racism exisits.

WHAT?

Dude, you really aren't following. I never said that hate or preferential treatment needed to be present for there to be racist. YOU were the one talking about preferential treatment. I said that racism did NOT require hate, as racism is simply the belief that your race is superior to another race simply based on inherent traits.

Slave owners were racist. This is evidenced by their belief that thw Africans were inferior to whites simply because they were a different race. They believed that the Africans were like children. Thus, they had no problem owning them because they believed them to be simple minded and inferior. Then, when slaves revolted, hate came out from the whites as a result of their racism.

Sanan, by saying that Kanye was justified for what he said, then you are saying that he was right, and therefore, that you believe that George W. Bush hates black people.

[Nevada_Ballin]

I'm gonna give Dubbya some credit where it is due, he did send tons of financial aid and other resources to Africa to help fight AIDS and other diseases..... the downside for him was not helping combat the genocide that was happening in places like Darfur. Iraq was more important (oil, strategic location on the planet that suits American interests more than those places in Africa at this point in time).


.

[sanantonio]

WHAT?

Dude, you really aren't following. I never said that hate or preferential treatment needed to be present for there to be racist. YOU were the one talking about preferential treatment. I said that racism did NOT require hate, as racism is simply the belief that your race is superior to another race simply based on inherent traits.

Slave owners were racist. This is evidenced by their belief that thw Africans were inferior to whites simply because they were a different race. They believed that the Africans were like children. Thus, they had no problem owning them because they believed them to be simple minded and inferior. Then, when slaves revolted, hate came out from the whites as a result of their racism.

Sanan, by saying that Kanye was justified for what he said, then you are saying that he was right, and therefore, that you believe that George W. Bush hates black people.

By saying there was a moderate or small amount of truth to what Kanye said doesn't mean I was referring to GWB doesn't care about black people. Plus like I said I have no idea how the man feels but historically in the black community Republicans have not been house hold names among blacks. That's just the way it is and probably will continue to be.

[resnor]

It is true that Republicans have not been household names in black households...buts that's only becuase Dems always tell the minorities and poor that they are going to give them things. The poor and minorities vote for them, but still get the shaft because the government programs do nothing more than keep them wards of the government. It's disgusting that their tactic still works.

[sanantonio]

It is true that Republicans have not been household names in black households...buts that's only becuase Dems always tell the minorities and poor that they are going to give them things. The poor and minorities vote for them, but still get the shaft because the government programs do nothing more than keep them wards of the government. It's disgusting that their tactic still works.

One way or another black, white, or hispanic we are all sheep and wards of the state only difference is some of us know it.

[dsteve]

WHAT?

Dude, you really aren't following. I never said that hate or preferential treatment needed to be present for there to be racist. YOU were the one talking about preferential treatment. I said that racism did NOT require hate, as racism is simply the belief that your race is superior to another race simply based on inherent traits.

Slave owners were racist. This is evidenced by their belief that thw Africans were inferior to whites simply because they were a different race. They believed that the Africans were like children. Thus, they had no problem owning them because they believed them to be simple minded and inferior. Then, when slaves revolted, hate came out from the whites as a result of their racism.

Sanan, by saying that Kanye was justified for what he said, then you are saying that he was right, and therefore, that you believe that George W. Bush hates black people.



okay lets try again.


AA and welfare are typically for minorities. The people handing these things out do not think that their race is superior, in fact some of them are of the same race and by giving them things are in a way saying that the are inferior. wouldnt that fall under a different form of racism than thinking your race is just better than another?

[Gtrght77]

It is true that Republicans have not been household names in black households...buts that's only becuase Dems always tell the minorities and poor that they are going to give them things. The poor and minorities vote for them, but still get the shaft because the government programs do nothing more than keep them wards of the government. It's disgusting that their tactic still works.


Are you saying that the only reason black people vote Dem is because they get handouts?

You dont think it has anything to do with the civil rights fight or the fact that Nixon reached out and added the southern white racist to the voting ranks?

[sideoutshu]

Are you saying that the only reason black people vote Dem is because they get handouts?

You dont think it has anything to do with the civil rights fight or the fact that Nixon reached out and added the southern white racist to the voting ranks?

Uhm.......remember that guy who read the emancipation proclamation? What party was he from again?

[Gtrght77]

Uhm.......remember that guy who read the emancipation proclamation? What party was he from again?

By name only, not by beliefs. That was a Liberal act, there was nothing conservative about it.

[theanalogkid]

Uhm.......remember that guy who read the emancipation proclamation? What party was he from again?

Are you trying to claim that Lincoln was conservative? Lol, he was actually the last true left wing President in this country, he eroded state's rights like no other President has. Are you going to try and argue that the Southern Democrats in the 1860s were all a bunch of pot smoking hippies?

Republicans then are not of the same ideology as the Republicans today.

[resnor]

okay lets try again.


AA and welfare are typically for minorities. The people handing these things out do not think that their race is superior, in fact some of them are of the same race and by giving them things are in a way saying that the are inferior. wouldnt that fall under a different form of racism than thinking your race is just better than another?

Sigh.

Let me try again. Racism is the belief that one race is better than another race based on inherent traits of those races. Giving people stuff is not racism. It is something that COULD BE a reult of being racist. Person A is white, and believes that whites are superior to blacks. Therefore, to help out the supposed inferior race, Person A gives money to Person B, who is black. The act of giving money isn't racist, but the idea behind it, that whites are superior, IS racism.

Yes, Gtrght, I am saying that many minorities vote based on what Dems promise to give them. That is why in every election cycle, the Dems run ads in minority strong neighborhoods talking about what the dirty Republicans will take away if they get voted in.

[SUPDOG]

Are you saying that the only reason black people vote Dem is because they get handouts?

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Such a good little Obamabot. You are so well programmed! :p

[Gtrght77]

Why would anyone vote republican?

Its not even a party any more, its a few groups of radical crazies. "Proud right wing Terrorists" LOL

Great American?

Stupid people taking guns to political rallys and saying they should march on washington with weapons. All this in just 8 months. I wish these people would just drink the koolaide already.

[levdgg]

I love how dsteve gets so worked up in a tizzy while grabbing for his talking points he doesn't even know

a)when someone shares similar sentiment with him
and/or
b) what he's even arguing

-especially with someone of superior intellect to him like Resnor.

[levdgg]

More like BABEraham Lincoln


AOOOOOOOOOOOHGA!

[dsteve]

Sigh.

Let me try again. Racism is the belief that one race is better than another race based on inherent traits of those races. Giving people stuff is not racism. It is something that COULD BE a reult of being racist. Person A is white, and believes that whites are superior to blacks. Therefore, to help out the supposed inferior race, Person A gives money to Person B, who is black. The act of giving money isn't racist, but the idea behind it, that whites are superior, IS racism.

Yes, Gtrght, I am saying that many minorities vote based on what Dems promise to give them. That is why in every election cycle, the Dems run ads in minority strong neighborhoods talking about what the dirty Republicans will take away if they get voted in.




so black people who are for government run hand out/welfare programs and set up programs for other blacks to get money think they are superior to whom?

[dsteve]

I love how dsteve gets so worked up in a tizzy while grabbing for his talking points he doesn't even know

a)when someone shares similar sentiment with him
and/or
b) what he's even arguing

-especially with someone of superior intellect to him like Resnor.


how am I in a tizzy? and superior intellect? please. what do you ever say that isnt a one or two line post with no substance, only name calling? lol and talking points huh? where am I getting them from? The evil FIzXED news?

[resnor]

Dsteve...WHO setup the welfare programs? NOT minorities...it was whites. Sure, I can agree that the programs are a result of racism, but minorities working for these programs are just people who bought into the lie that they are deserving of something. You're all caught up on the superioritu thing...but that IS what racism is. You can't simply redefine words to mean what you want them to mean.

[SUPDOG]

I love how dsteve gets so worked up in a tizzy while grabbing for his talking points he doesn't even know

a)when someone shares similar sentiment with him
and/or
b) what he's even arguing

-especially with someone of superior intellect to him like Resnor.

Dude, you are SO cool.....

It is like, "we bite our fingernails in awe" cool.

[resnor]

Why would anyone vote republican?

Its not even a party any more, its a few groups of radical crazies. "Proud right wing Terrorists" LOL

Great American?

Stupid people taking guns to political rallys and saying they should march on washington with weapons. All this in just 8 months. I wish these people would just drink the koolaide already.

You are so out of touch with reality its not even funny. If someone isn't a Dem then they are terrorists or radical crazies?

No wonder you stand behind Obama so much.

[dsteve]

Dsteve...WHO setup the welfare programs? NOT minorities...it was whites. Sure, I can agree that the programs are a result of racism, but minorities working for these programs are just people who bought into the lie that they are deserving of something. You're all caught up on the superioritu thing...but that IS what racism is. You can't simply redefine words to mean what you want them to mean.



so wheres the superiority in obama, someone who thinks we need to redistribute wealth in order to obtain social justice? Is that not in a way racist that hands things to minorities but shows the opposite of "thinks their race is superior"?


the main point is that there are different types of racism and not all them fall under the headline of race superiority.

[dsteve]

Why would anyone vote republican?

Its not even a party any more, its a few groups of radical crazies. "Proud right wing Terrorists" LOL

Great American?

Stupid people taking guns to political rallys and saying they should march on washington with weapons. All this in just 8 months. I wish these people would just drink the koolaide already.




lol, seriously? granted I'm not fan of republicans but the dem party is much worse, much more split between moderate and far crazy lefties and are for the faster expansion of government.


the proud right wing terrorist is sarcasm btw. it stems from the reports let out by the white house to be on the look out for people who call themselves conservative, have ron paul bumper stickers, support gun rights, ex military and a bunch of other ridiculous things.

[Gtrght77]

You are so out of touch with reality its not even funny. If someone isn't a Dem then they are terrorists or radical crazies?

No wonder you stand behind Obama so much.


Actually its you who are out of touch with reality. Everything I just said happened or was said but some right wing nut job.

[Gtrght77]

lol, seriously? granted I'm not fan of republicans but the dem party is much worse, much more split between moderate and far crazy lefties and are for the faster expansion of government.


the proud right wing terrorist is sarcasm btw. it stems from the reports let out by the white house to be on the look out for people who call themselves conservative, have ron paul bumper stickers, support gun rights, ex military and a bunch of other ridiculous things.

There is no far left, there is moderates and right wing crazies. If there was a real far left things would be getting done right now.

[sideoutshu]

There is no far left, there is moderates and right wing crazies. If there was a real far left things would be getting done right now.

Correction. Things would be getting done if your democrats cared more about theuir principles then getting elected again.

[resnor]

so wheres the superiority in obama, someone who thinks we need to redistribute wealth in order to obtain social justice? Is that not in a way racist that hands things to minorities but shows the opposite of "thinks their race is superior"?


the main point is that there are different types of racism and not all them fall under the headline of race superiority.

I don't know why you're so caught up on the social programs thing. Social programs CAN BE a result of racism, but they can also be, and are, in Obama's case, a result of a socialist mindset. The bottom line is, racism is defined as the belief that one race is superior to another race based on on inherent traits of those races. Social programs don't change that. You seem to think that social programs can ONLY come about through racism, and that's not only completely wrong, but highly ignorant.

Gtrght...just because some freak defined themself as a right wing terrorist in no way means that they portray the vast majority of conservatives. You paint with a really broad brush, and not only are you completely wrong, but ignorant as well.

[dsteve]

Correction. Things would be getting done if your democrats cared more about theuir principles then getting elected again.

correction of the correction.....things "would be getting done right now" if the party wasnt split between moderates and left wing, socialist "nut jobs".

[conviction]

Gtrght, I really thought you had a better idea of what was going on. The difference between the parties is so minute. Do you actually believe Democrats don't tote for foreign intervention and to fight the war on terror?

You obviously don't understand that Obama has actually called for more troops in Afghanistan. Has not pulled out of Iraq (he gave the illusion he did by leaving the cities lol). Both parties are for war my friend, Obama is far from anti-war platform. The only anti-war platform you will find it is in the Libertarian party, Ron Paul, and i think Dennis Kucinich.

Anyone else see that nanothermite (undetonated high tech military explosives) was found at the 9/11 destruction site? Not only is it a smoking gun but we found the loaded gun that tons of this material was simply put into the world trade center for destruction prior to the plane crashes. interesting?

Search Niels Harrit for more information on that.

My point being that conspiracy theory is no longer a theory. It is a fact when you look at the structure of our government that we really have a fake opposition party and that they are actually the same. Obama and Bush are the same... Ben Bernanke was recommissioned to the federal reserve. The man who was in charge while the economy collapsed and Obama put in the same guy. There is no change. It's time to expose the puppet masters

I think Obama is more corporate than what McCain would have been

[RicoVacilon]

I love how everyone is ignorant. lol. I don't agree with everyone on here, but truth be told there are only 2-3 people who are truly ignorant.

[conviction]

I love how everyone is ignorant. lol. I don't agree with everyone on here, but truth be told there are only 2-3 people who are truly ignorant.

me, san an, and you ;)

[Gtrght77]

Gtrght, I really thought you had a better idea of what was going on. The difference between the parties is so minute. Do you actually believe Democrats don't tote for foreign intervention and to fight the war on terror?

You obviously don't understand that Obama has actually called for more troops in Afghanistan. Has not pulled out of Iraq (he gave the illusion he did by leaving the cities lol). Both parties are for war my friend, Obama is far from anti-war platform. The only anti-war platform you will find it is in the Libertarian party, Ron Paul, and i think Dennis Kucinich.

Anyone else see that nanothermite (undetonated high tech military explosives) was found at the 9/11 destruction site? Not only is it a smoking gun but we found the loaded gun that tons of this material was simply put into the world trade center for destruction prior to the plane crashes. interesting?

Search Niels Harrit for more information on that.

My point being that conspiracy theory is no longer a theory. It is a fact when you look at the structure of our government that we really have a fake opposition party and that they are actually the same. Obama and Bush are the same... Ben Bernanke was recommissioned to the federal reserve. The man who was in charge while the economy collapsed and Obama put in the same guy. There is no change. It's time to expose the puppet masters

I think Obama is more corporate than what McCain would have been


The difference between the parties are those who follow them.

You could easily hire a company like Blackwater to do this sort of thing.

[conviction]

The difference between the parties are those who follow them.


And that's only difference. They create the illusion that the parties are teams against each other. It's funny

[resnor]

I love how everyone is ignorant. lol. I don't agree with everyone on here, but truth be told there are only 2-3 people who are truly ignorant.

Were you saying this in reference to what I said? Cause if you were, I wasn't saying that people are totally ignorant, just ignorant to those specific things that I adressed.

[sanantonio]

And that's only difference. They create the illusion that the parties are teams against each other. It's funny

Let's not forget they also get us all to buy into this and to pick one side or the other. God forbid we all see through the illusion and unite, now that would be a great country. As for now we're (the US of A) just a shadow and pretender of what we should be.