Where was the dude on the right pointing his finger and shouting "you lie" . . . .

[RicoVacilon]

. . . when Bush said Iraq was responsible for 9/11?

And how many lives did Bush's lie cost us?

[resnor]

. . . when Bush said Iraq was responsible for 9/11?

And how many lives did Bush's lie cost us?

I don't think he'd been elected yet.

[RicoVacilon]

I didn't say "Joe Wilson." I said "the dude."

[resnor]

Can you give me a link to Bush actually saying that Iraq was responsible for 9/11? I don't remember him actually saying that Iraq was responsible for 9/11, but that they aided and abetted the terrorists.

Oh, and let's not ask where was the guy on the left...I mean, the Dems pretty much all voted for the war in Iraq, too.

[RicoVacilon]

Oh that's right, my bad. He had Colin Powell say it on his behalf.

[sideoutshu]

. . . when Bush said Iraq was responsible for 9/11?

And how many lives did Bush's lie cost us?

Uhm......the better question is where was Bush? Cause he never said that genius.:rolleyes:

THREAD FAIL!

[TheSphinx 2.0]

Why does everything that happens today somehow go back to Bush? I tell you man when it comes to politics grown men turn into school girls.

-TS

[Gtrght77]

Why does everything that happens today somehow go back to Bush? I tell you man when it comes to politics grown men turn into school girls.

-TS

Those who forget the past are destined to repeat it.

[TheSphinx 2.0]

those who forget the past are destined to repeat it.

huh???

-TS

[Gtrght77]

huh???

-ts

Huh? HUh?


Why do we have to forget about all the wrong that was done when Bush was president?

[resnor]

Huh? HUh?


Why do we have to forget about all the wrong that was done when Bush was president?

Who said to forget? Bringing Bush up All the time is simply a crutch. When Obama is wrong it doesn't matter CAUSE BUSH LIED!!! What Bush did or didn't do has no bearing now on what Obama does or doesn't do.

[Gtrght77]

Who said to forget? Bringing Bush up All the time is simply a crutch. When Obama is wrong it doesn't matter CAUSE BUSH LIED!!! What Bush did or didn't do has no bearing now on what Obama does or doesn't do.

Yeah and you guys weren't blaming Clinton for everything when Bush was president? :p

It's not about what Bush did or what Obama is doing, it's the reaction that seems to have changed. When Bush was president the conservatives were outraged anytime someone called him out. They labled the opposition anti-american. If someone yelled lier at Bush when he was talking about his axis of evil, conservatives would of shat themselves right there.

Do you think someone could of carried a gun to a Bush Rally? They would of been arrested so fast. If you had screaming liberals at Pro Iraq rallies they would of been arrested to.

[resnor]

Yeah and you guys weren't blaming Clinton for everything when Bush was president? :p

It's not about what Bush did or what Obama is doing, it's the reaction that seems to have changed. When Bush was president the conservatives were outraged anytime someone called him out. They labled the opposition anti-american. If someone yelled lier at Bush when he was talking about his axis of evil, conservatives would of shat themselves right there.

Do you think someone could of carried a gun to a Bush Rally? They would of been arrested so fast. If you had screaming liberals at Pro Iraq rallies they would of been arrested to.

No, libs, instead of defending Obama, bring up Bush.

Proof of what you say up there, or it's just more meaningless partisan crap by you.

[Gtrght77]

No, libs, instead of defending Obama, bring up Bush.

Proof of what you say up there, or it's just more meaningless partisan crap by you.


Was that supposed to be a question?

[Militant X 1]

Who said to forget? Bringing Bush up All the time is simply a crutch. When Obama is wrong it doesn't matter CAUSE BUSH LIED!!! What Bush did or didn't do has no bearing now on what Obama does or doesn't do.

ummm....

Bush = 8 yrs as President

Obama = 9 months

do the math is all i am saying here! :cool:

[sideoutshu]

No, libs, instead of defending Obama, bring up Bush.

Proof of what you say up there, or it's just more meaningless partisan crap by you.

DING DING DING.

I have been saying this for months. After ****ting all over Bush for the past eight years, the liberals are saying that it doesn't matter that Obama is a total failure, cause he is better then Bush. :rolleyes:

If only Obama's campaign had been more honest. Instead of "hope and change" his slogan could have been "marginally better then the guy you have now".

[resnor]

ummm....

Bush = 8 yrs as President

Obama = 9 months

do the math is all i am saying here! :cool:

What? How does Buwh for 8 years have anything to do with Obama's incredibly poor healthcare plan...or Obama's mishandling of the Cambridge police situation...or his piss poor selection of people to be his "czars"...or his hprrible economic policies...I could go on and on.

Not to mention, libs never gave Bush a chance. They were opposed to Bush before he was even sworn in the first time. Why should Obama be any different for the Republicans?

[sanantonio]

What? How does Buwh for 8 years have anything to do with Obama's incredibly poor healthcare plan...or Obama's mishandling of the Cambridge police situation...or his piss poor selection of people to be his "czars"...or his hprrible economic policies...I could go on and on.

Not to mention, libs never gave Bush a chance. They were opposed to Bush before he was even sworn in the first time. Why should Obama be any different for the Republicans?

What? Did Bush even make any mistakes? That would be news to me!!

[resnor]

What? Did Bush even make any mistakes? That would be news to me!!

Where have I, or others on here, said that Bush didn't make mistakes? However, IT DOESN'T MATTER. BUSH is not the POTUS now. Obama is. When he does stupid things, the answer should not be, "But BUSH..." Obama was supposed to be so different...yet he has pretty much kept all of Bush's policies that people hated. Wiretaps: yep. Extradition: yep. Still in Iraq and Afghanistan: yep. Gitmo still open: yep. Do you want more?

[sanantonio]

Where have I, or others on here, said that Bush didn't make mistakes? However, IT DOESN'T MATTER. BUSH is not the POTUS now. Obama is. When he does stupid things, the answer should not be, "But BUSH..." Obama was supposed to be so different...yet he has pretty much kept all of Bush's policies that people hated. Wiretaps: yep. Extradition: yep. Still in Iraq and Afghanistan: yep. Gitmo still open: yep. Do you want more?

And your voice of desent was the loudest of all while all of this was going on under GWB right? :rolleyes:

[resnor]

And your voice of desent was the loudest of all while all of this was going on under GWB right? :rolleyes:

My voice of dissent is the same, unlike others on here, like you, Gtrght, and Nevada. I wasn't complaining about the war, Gitmo, supposed torture, etc under Bush...and I'm not complaining about it now.

[Gtrght77]

My voice of dissent is the same, unlike others on here, like you, Gtrght, and Nevada. I wasn't complaining about the war, Gitmo, supposed torture, etc under Bush...and I'm not complaining about it now.

You are full of crap though, I haven't changed my stance on anything since Obama was elected. If I was against it then I still am now.

[resnor]

Really? I don't see threads about "torture," wiretapping, spending, etc. You have come out against Afghanistan, but you certainly are not as vocal about Obama as you were about Bush.

[Gtrght77]

Really? I don't see threads about "torture," wiretapping, spending, etc. You have come out against Afghanistan, but you certainly are not as vocal about Obama as you were about Bush.


I don't care about spending.


The others stuff I am still against but after years and years of it occuring you sort of become jaded to it.

[resnor]

I don't care about spending.


The others stuff I am still against but after years and years of it occuring you sort of become jaded to it.

You don't care about spending?!! *shakes head and walks away*

And I don't think that you're jaded to it. I think it's that it's your guy now, so you are ignoring it.

[Gtrght77]

You don't care about spending?!! *shakes head and walks away*

And I don't think that you're jaded to it. I think it's that it's your guy now, so you are ignoring it.

Whatever,

I was sick of most of it during the last 2 years of Bush. Who has Obama been torturing?

[conviction]

Whatever,

I was sick of most of it during the last 2 years of Bush. Who has Obama been torturing?

Obama never ended torture. There are still 200 detainees in Guantanamo and a report in February this years by Center for Constitutional Rights says that, Guantanamo guards routinely subject detainees to vicious beatings, solitary confinement, sleep deprivation, suffocation, repeated use of tear gas, and the force-feeding of tubes through the nasal passages of hunger strikers.

Ahmed Ghappour a lawyer for several detainees said this, "Certainly in my experience there have been many, many more reported incidents of abuse since the inauguration"

From Obama's mouth on indefinite detention: Now, finally, there remains the question of detainees at Guantanamo who cannot be prosecuted yet who pose a clear danger to the American people. And I have to be honest here -- this is the toughest single issue that we will face. We're going to exhaust every avenue that we have to prosecute those at Guantanamo who pose a danger to our country. But even when this process is complete, there may be a number of people who cannot be prosecuted for past crimes, in some cases because evidence may be tainted, but who nonetheless pose a threat to the security of the United States. Examples of that threat include people who've received extensive explosives training at al Qaeda training camps, or commanded Taliban troops in battle, or expressed their allegiance to Osama bin Laden, or otherwise made it clear that they want to kill Americans. These are people who, in effect, remain at war with the United States. Let me repeat: I am not going to release individuals who endanger the American people."

Obama hasn't even sought war crimes against Bush and guess what it won't happen. Under international law Obama is required to investigate these war crimes...

United Nations Convention Against Torture, all state parties are required to investigate and prosecute torturers. Article 12 states: "Each state party shall ensure that its competent authorities proceed to a prompt and impartial investigation wherever there is reasonable ground to believe that an act of torture has been committed in any territory under its jurisdiction."

We all know Obama has blocked hundreds of photos from torture victims stating "Publication of these photos would not add any additional benefit to our understanding of what was carried out in the past by a small number of individuals." He further said he wouldn't want to inflame anti-american sentiment. That is classic cover-up and censorship because they don't want to expose their brutality.

"One of them took my pen!s in his hand and began to make cuts," Mohamed said, recounting his treatment. "He did it once, and then stood still for maybe a minute, watching my reaction. I was in agony. They must have done this 20 to 30 times, in maybe two hours. There was blood all over. 'I told you I was going to teach you who's the man,"

Mohamed and other detainees tried to sue Jeppesen Dataplan for arranging flights to and from various detention centers. But Obama, like Bush, blocked the suit by saying the the suit would be a threat to our national security.

CIA director Leon Panetta said ""Using renditions, we may very well direct individuals to third countries". Rendition is the act of kidnapping and sending those to another country for detention. So it is clear that these acts will continue.

ZIIIIIIIING

[Gtrght77]

Obama never ended torture. There are still 200 detainees in Guantanamo and a report in February this years by Center for Constitutional Rights says that, Guantanamo guards routinely subject detainees to vicious beatings, solitary confinement, sleep deprivation, suffocation, repeated use of tear gas, and the force-feeding of tubes through the nasal passages of hunger strikers.

Ahmed Ghappour a lawyer for several detainees said this, "Certainly in my experience there have been many, many more reported incidents of abuse since the inauguration"

From Obama's mouth on indefinite detention: Now, finally, there remains the question of detainees at Guantanamo who cannot be prosecuted yet who pose a clear danger to the American people. And I have to be honest here -- this is the toughest single issue that we will face. We're going to exhaust every avenue that we have to prosecute those at Guantanamo who pose a danger to our country. But even when this process is complete, there may be a number of people who cannot be prosecuted for past crimes, in some cases because evidence may be tainted, but who nonetheless pose a threat to the security of the United States. Examples of that threat include people who've received extensive explosives training at al Qaeda training camps, or commanded Taliban troops in battle, or expressed their allegiance to Osama bin Laden, or otherwise made it clear that they want to kill Americans. These are people who, in effect, remain at war with the United States. Let me repeat: I am not going to release individuals who endanger the American people."

Obama hasn't even sought war crimes against Bush and guess what it won't happen. Under international law Obama is required to investigate these war crimes...

United Nations Convention Against Torture, all state parties are required to investigate and prosecute torturers. Article 12 states: "Each state party shall ensure that its competent authorities proceed to a prompt and impartial investigation wherever there is reasonable ground to believe that an act of torture has been committed in any territory under its jurisdiction."

We all know Obama has blocked hundreds of photos from torture victims stating "Publication of these photos would not add any additional benefit to our understanding of what was carried out in the past by a small number of individuals." He further said he wouldn't want to inflame anti-american sentiment. That is classic cover-up and censorship because they don't want to expose their brutality.

"One of them took my pen!s in his hand and began to make cuts," Mohamed said, recounting his treatment. "He did it once, and then stood still for maybe a minute, watching my reaction. I was in agony. They must have done this 20 to 30 times, in maybe two hours. There was blood all over. 'I told you I was going to teach you who's the man,"

Mohamed and other detainees tried to sue Jeppesen Dataplan for arranging flights to and from various detention centers. But Obama, like Bush, blocked the suit by saying the the suit would be a threat to our national security.

CIA director Leon Panetta said ""Using renditions, we may very well direct individuals to third countries". Rendition is the act of kidnapping and sending those to another country for detention. So it is clear that these acts will continue.

ZIIIIIIIING

Why no source?

No president is going to pursue war crimes against another president. If Obama is so much like Bush, why is Cheneys panties all in a bunch?

[conviction]

Why no source?

No president is going to pursue war crimes against another president. If Obama is so much like Bush, why is Cheneys panties all in a bunch?

ALL THE INFO IS TRUE
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20090528164115616

Look it up yourself! I checked the information before I posted.

ZIIIIIING

[sanantonio]

My voice of dissent is the same, unlike others on here, like you, Gtrght, and Nevada. I wasn't complaining about the war, Gitmo, supposed torture, etc under Bush...and I'm not complaining about it now.

Your so right you weren't complaining, as I recall you were too busy defending GWB. Since Obama is pretty much following in GWB's foot steps I would think you would do the same for him.

By the way I didn't vote for Obama because I knew he would fall in line with the status quo.

[resnor]

Your so right you weren't complaining, as I recall you were too busy defending GWB. Since Obama is pretty much following in GWB's foot steps I would think you would do the same for him.

By the way I didn't vote for Obama because I knew he would fall in line with the status quo.

Have you seen anything where I have attacked Obama for his stance on the wars? How about for his stance on enhanced interrogation?

I have said that Bush was not a fiscal conservative. I bashed Bush for his stimulus plan just like I bash Obama for his. I bash Obama for his socialist leanings.

You may not have voted for Obama, but you certainly seem to defend him and his cronies on here every chance you get. Also, you are extremely quiet when it comes to all the things that Obama does that you yapped about constantly when Bush did them.

At least I am consistent.

[sanantonio]

Have you seen anything where I have attacked Obama for his stance on the wars? How about for his stance on enhanced interrogation?

I have said that Bush was not a fiscal conservative. I bashed Bush for his stimulus plan just like I bash Obama for his. I bash Obama for his socialist leanings.

You may not have voted for Obama, but you certainly seem to defend him and his cronies on here every chance you get. Also, you are extremely quiet when it comes to all the things that Obama does that you yapped about constantly when Bush did them.

At least I am consistent.

The fact I'm tired of railing about things that are not going to change makes me inconsistent how? We should have never been in Iraq to begin with and at the very least been out shortly after Obama took office. When it doesn't happen you realize it's all one big boy's club cess pool and we are all powerless to stop any of it. Apparently you've missed my posts that were critical of Obama.

The reason I don't come out more against Obama is because I am suffering what is called apathy and I realize it's just a wash rinse repeat kind of thing.

[conviction]

The fact I'm tired of railing about things that are not going to change makes me inconsistent how? We should have never been in Iraq to begin with and at the very least been out shortly after Obama took office. When it doesn't happen you realize it's all one big boy's club cess pool and we are all powerless to stop any of it. Apparently you've missed my posts that were critical of Obama.

The reason I don't come out more against Obama is because I am suffering what is called apathy and I realize it's just a wash rinse repeat kind of thing.

lol you kind of have to approach politics with apathy, especially when you connect all the dots so to speak...

[RicoVacilon]

Uhm......the better question is where was Bush? Cause he never said that genius.:rolleyes:

THREAD FAIL!

9 months out of his Presidency and you're already writing revisionist/apologetic history?