Ravens fans

[MelloDrama]

The Chiefs with Brodie Croyle at the helm put up 24 against these Ravens. S.D put up 26 and Rivers threw for 430. People are always talking about (and people on THIS BOARD) about how the Ravens have Ed Reed,Ray Lewis Ngata and Suggs and that their defense this and their defense that. Rex Ryan leaves and people are almost putting up 30 points a game and he comes here and no one has scored on us yet.


When Rex came here I sat and listened to all your shananigans about how Rex is just a coordinator and he had Lewis and company and him leaving wouldn't be no big thing. I'm sorry folks the proof is in the pudding.

[Calhoun County]

The Ravens defense moved to NY. Even though they looking suspect you still have to respect them because I wouldn't expect this to be a consistant thing. The Jets D look 99 tough right now and Buff looking good. Now that new Broncos 3-4........ WOW we are getting sacks, have surpassed our win expectations by 2 games, anything else is just gravy at this point. Lol

[MelloDrama]

The Ravens defense moved to NY. Even though they looking suspect you still have to respect them because I wouldn't expect this to be a consistant thing. The Jets D look 99 tough right now and Buff looking good. Now that new Broncos 3-4........ WOW we are getting sacks, have surpassed our win expectations by 2 games, anything else is just gravy at this point. Lol

LOL the football God are hard at work.

Oh I respect the Ravens, I actually really like the Ravens. Always have and it's not that the Ravens have come to New York, Rex Ryan came to New York. I just find it odd that their defense AGAINST BRODIE CROYLE let up so many points and now San Diego?

All I'm saying is people don't give Rex Ryan enough credit. That offense is carrying that team right now.

[jerseyjay14]

san diego's offense is for real. no shame in giving up 26 to them. chiefs are another story, but thats also week 1 under a new co ordinator. the ravens will figure it out in short time

[Calhoun County]

LOL the football God are hard at work.

Oh I respect the Ravens, I actually really like the Ravens. Always have and it's not that the Ravens have come to New York, Rex Ryan came to New York. I just find it odd that their defense AGAINST BRODIE CROYLE let up so many points and now San Diego?

All I'm saying is people don't give Rex Ryan enough credit. That offense is carrying that team right now.
I actually like this new Jets movement. Buddy.....I mean Rex Ryan got that Old Spice swagger. The Jets sort of have an identity now and that NE game was a huge statement yesterday.

[Iamonebigmofo]

Too early for all that. They held KC to 188 yards of offense, followed up by holding SD to 45 yards rushing. We all know Rivers can sling it...

[rjmcc01]

Good thread Mello. Rex is showing his worth, that's for sure. And for the record if Sanchez turns out to be what he appears to be turning out to be and Curry is a bust you owe me 20 bucks.

K, with that said...BAL's D only gave up less than 200 pass yards to KC and less than 50 rush yards to SD...

Also, they are scoring much quicker than in the past...their D is on the field a lot and because they are scoring, esp vs SD, Rivers was forced to air it out most of the game.

[Thong Sniffa]

"Ravens Defens is bad"
"How bad is it?"
"Raven's defense is so bad, that the NE defense (the worst defense in football) has given up less points"

I think the Ravens will come back to their normal selves. too many veterans on that team to let the departure of a coach force them down the tubes.

[sideoutshu]

The Chiefs with Brodie Croyle at the helm put up 24 against these Ravens. S.D put up 26 and Rivers threw for 430. People are always talking about (and people on THIS BOARD) about how the Ravens have Ed Reed,Ray Lewis Ngata and Suggs and that their defense this and their defense that. Rex Ryan leaves and people are almost putting up 30 points a game and he comes here and no one has scored on us yet.


When Rex came here I sat and listened to all your shananigans about how Rex is just a coordinator and he had Lewis and company and him leaving wouldn't be no big thing. I'm sorry folks the proof is in the pudding.

Absolutely terrible post. Wow.

All you have to do is look at the last play of the game and you will see why the Ravens Defense is as good as it is. Maybe you should watch the games instead of just checking the scores and running your mouth.

We pretty much dominated the Chiefs in week one. The Chiefs punted on every possession in the first 3 quarters with the exception of a blocked punt for a TD, and an INT returned to the 8 yard line. They gained 61 yards of total offense in the first 3 quarters. I'm not sure what more you want the defense to do?

As far as San Diego.....if you watched it you would know that SD played a damn good game on offense. Rivers throws the ball downfield alot, and you are going to get some big plays from it. But we made him pay for those throws with turnovers and Ray came through when we needed him. Rex Ryan doesn't shoot gaps like that.

Don't get all gassed up because you beat a patriots team that should have been beat by the Bills last week too. Brady looked terrible and Welker was out.

[TheSphinx 2.0]

Absolutely terrible post. Wow.

All you have to do is look at the last play of the game and you will see why the Ravens Defense is as good as it is. Maybe you should watch the games instead of just checking the scores and running your mouth.

We pretty much dominated the Chiefs in week one. The Chiefs punted on every possession in the first 3 quarters with the exception of a blocked punt for a TD, and an INT returned to the 8 yard line. They gained 61 yards of total offense in the first 3 quarters. I'm not sure what more you want the defense to do?

As far as San Diego.....if you watched it you would know that SD played a damn good game on offense. Rivers throws the ball downfield alot, and you are going to get some big plays from it. But we made him pay for those throws with turnovers and Ray came through when we needed him. Rex Ryan doesn't shoot gaps like that.

Don't get all gassed up because you beat a patriots team that should have been beat by the Bills last week too. Brady looked terrible and Welker was out.

I agree with this. The Ravens look fine to me. I think Jets fans are getting a little too excited about beating a team that should be 0-2 right now, has a QB who is coming off of knee surgery, and was missing some starters on both sides of the ball. So far the Pats of 2009 have looked nothing like the Pats of 2007 (not even close). I am not trying to take anything away from the Jets but lets not let it get out of hand in the first 2 weeks. There is a lot of football left to play.

-TS

[Thong Sniffa]

I am not trying to take anything away from the Jets but lets not let it get out of hand in the first 2 weeks. There is a lot of football left to play.

-TS

Too Late. Half of New York showed up late to work today. late night celebrating. :D

[dmac2brown46]

its been 2 weeks people, 14 games left...dont get your panties wet over 2 games...

[Michura]

To be fair, 7 of the points from the Chiefs game came from a blocked punt recovery in the endzone. Can't really put that on the defense. And the Charger should have an explosive offense. Way too soon to really say anything about their defense.

[MelloDrama]

san diego's offense is for real. no shame in giving up 26 to them. chiefs are another story, but thats also week 1 under a new co ordinator. the ravens will figure it out in short time

I think Rivers threw for 450. Bro thats no excuse. Rex not being there is hurting their defense. Clearly!

[MelloDrama]

Absolutely terrible post. Wow.

All you have to do is look at the last play of the game and you will see why the Ravens Defense is as good as it is. Maybe you should watch the games instead of just checking the scores and running your mouth.

We pretty much dominated the Chiefs in week one. The Chiefs punted on every possession in the first 3 quarters with the exception of a blocked punt for a TD, and an INT returned to the 8 yard line. They gained 61 yards of total offense in the first 3 quarters. I'm not sure what more you want the defense to do?

As far as San Diego.....if you watched it you would know that SD played a damn good game on offense. Rivers throws the ball downfield alot, and you are going to get some big plays from it. But we made him pay for those throws with turnovers and Ray came through when we needed him. Rex Ryan doesn't shoot gaps like that.

Don't get all gassed up because you beat a patriots team that should have been beat by the Bills last week too. Brady looked terrible and Welker was out.


Bro your seriously like a little girl having her rag for the first time. I never insulted your team and nor was I coming off like a know it all so cool off your vagina a little bit.

Make all the excuses you want about stats. Stats are nothing, TD's are everything. I don't care if K.C or S.D had minimal rushing yards, Rivers threw up 450 and in the last 2 games the Ravens defense has let in damn near 60 points.

My only point I was making is when we first got Rex people were quick to say it was no big deal, that it really wasn't about Rex his schemes or his passion. It was about the monsters the Ravens have on D and I partially agree with that and I realize it's still early but there is NO QUESTION that Rex's absence hasn't been felt early.

Just sayin

That team will be awesome and a major threat when they iron out the wrinkles. Like superbowl could be in the works.

[sideoutshu]

Bro your seriously like a little girl having her rag for the first time. I never insulted your team and nor was I coming off like a know it all so cool off your virgina a little bit.

Make all the excuses you want about stats. Stats are nothing, TD's are everything. I don't care if K.C or S.D had minimal rushing yards, Rivers threw up 450 and in the last 2 games the Ravens defense has let in damn near 60 points.


Not when the TD is given up byt he special teams unit. WTF are Ray Lewis and Ed Reed supposed to do about a punt block TD? They are sitting on the sideline! What were they supposed to do when Flacco got picked and it was returned 60 yards? Sub into the game on Offense in anticipation?

Ya, Rivers threw for alot of yards......they lost. He gambled on alot of passes and we made him pay for it by picking off two of them.

What difference would Rex Ryan have made on the 90 yard Sproles TD? That was an execution error, not play calling.

I loved Rex when he was with us, and I am super happy for the Jets, but we were great before him and will be great after as long as we have #52 in the middle eating RB's for breakfast.

No other player in the NFL makes that play on Sproles.

[Michura]

I think Rivers threw for 450. Bro thats no excuse. Rex not being there is hurting their defense. Clearly!

Rex not being there, Landry just coming off of a lengthy injury (thus alot of missed playing time), the defense being at least somewhat new, Scott not being there, etc. Week 2's not even over yet. Settle down, big boy.

[MelloDrama]

Not when the TD is given up byt he special teams unit. WTF are Ray Lewis and Ed Reed supposed to do about a punt block TD? They are sitting on the sideline! What were they supposed to do when Flacco got picked and it was returned 60 yards? Sub into the game on Offense in anticipation?

Ya, Rivers threw for alot of yards......they lost. He gambled on alot of passes and we made him pay for it by picking off two of them.

What difference would Rex Ryan have made on the 90 yard Sproles TD? That was an execution error, not play calling.

I loved Rex when he was with us, and I am super happy for the Jets, but we were great before him and will be great after as long as we have #52 in the middle eating RB's for breakfast.

No other player in the NFL makes that play on Sproles.


Side I hear you bro.. I really do.

All I'm saying is this. Lets take away the pick6 and the Sproles run for 6. You let 24 in Vs KC and 26 in Vs S.D. Thats 50 points. Lets take away 14, thats 36 points, too me, for the ravens?.. thats unheard of IMO.

Again at the end of the day I think people don't give Rex enough credit because he is turning around my miserable franchise!

[ravenmaniac]

I think Rivers threw for 450. Bro thats no excuse. Rex not being there is hurting their defense. Clearly!

We just had a bad day....and that KC game 7 points were from that punt block and another 7 were pretty much from a INT braught back to the 2. Besides our small corners cant handle Jackson.

[MelloDrama]

Rex not being there, Landry just coming off of a lengthy injury (thus alot of missed playing time), the defense being at least somewhat new, Scott not being there, etc. Week 2's not even over yet. Settle down, big boy.


Listen you San Fransisco Ravens fan! :eek::D

People were insinuating that Rex would follow the likes of Marvin Lewis and company. Rex comes from the same cloth his Dad does. I think he was under appreciated in Baltimore thats all I'm saying. I think his worth was over shadowed by the beasts that the Ravens have, Ozzie Newsome is one of the best out there.

I'm not saying anything about the Jets vs the Ravens here or trying to boast at all. I'm just saying that Raven fans for the most part where kinda of pissy towards Rex when he left. I think he deserved alittle more then that.

[CapnKill]

The Chiefs with Brodie Croyle at the helm put up 24 against these Ravens. S.D put up 26 and Rivers threw for 430. People are always talking about (and people on THIS BOARD) about how the Ravens have Ed Reed,Ray Lewis Ngata and Suggs and that their defense this and their defense that. Rex Ryan leaves and people are almost putting up 30 points a game and he comes here and no one has scored on us yet.


When Rex came here I sat and listened to all your shananigans about how Rex is just a coordinator and he had Lewis and company and him leaving wouldn't be no big thing. I'm sorry folks the proof is in the pudding.

Lets see how we do against the Saints first.

And no matter what there's always a transition period. Rex came to the us and took over a pretty talented group of guys, the Ravens lost Rex, B. Scott and little Jimmy who I think started most if not all of last season for them. Now Ed and Landry have to get chemistry back, and while Ray is making plays he's also another year older... I mean, there's lots of factors to consider, Rex leaving being one of them.

[sideoutshu]

Side I hear you bro.. I really do.

All I'm saying is this. Lets take away the pick6 and the Sproles run for 6. You let 24 in Vs KC and 26 in Vs S.D. Thats 50 points. Lets take away 14, thats 36 points, too me, for the ravens?.. thats unheard of IMO.

Again at the end of the day I think people don't give Rex enough credit because he is turning around my miserable franchise!

36 points in two games really isn't that much. What you aren't taking into consideration is that last season we were running the ball 35 times a game and dominating time of possession. Now we have the Flacco chucking bombs all day and instead of kicking a FG after a 9 minute drive we have Clayton and Washington catching passes from 30 yards out and scoring in 3 minutes.

I think if you look at number of stops/turnovers created per opponent possession, this year will look similar to years past. Teams are just going to get more oppurtunities to move the ball when our offense is scoring 8 times a game instead of 3.

[sideoutshu]

We just had a bad day....and that KC game 7 points were from that punt block and another 7 were pretty much from a INT braught back to the 2. Besides our small corners cant handle Jackson.

I actually was happy with the CB play. The long TD to Jackson was a safetey error more then anything. Foxworth made a great play against Chambes on teh one deep ball, and Frank Walker surprised the hell out of me when he broke up that touchdown, cause he is usually a doormat.

We leave the CB's on an island more often then most teams, and once a deep ball goes in the air, the receiver has an advantage in 1v1 coverage. Rivers probably chucked up 7-8, and we broke up or picked 3-4. That isn't bad.

[ravenmaniac]

I actually was happy with the CB play. The long TD to Jackson was a safetey error more then anything. Foxworth made a great play against Chambes on teh one deep ball, and Frank Walker surprised the hell out of me when he broke up that touchdown, cause he is usually a doormat.

We leave the CB's on an island more often then most teams, and once a deep ball goes in the air, the receiver has an advantage in 1v1 coverage. Rivers probably chucked up 7-8, and we broke up or picked 3-4. That isn't bad.

I wanted Bmore to cut Walker so badly.....he just gets burned way to much

[MelloDrama]

36 points in two games really isn't that much. What you aren't taking into consideration is that last season we were running the ball 35 times a game and dominating time of possession. Now we have the Flacco chucking bombs all day and instead of kicking a FG after a 9 minute drive we have Clayton and Washington catching passes from 30 yards out and scoring in 3 minutes.

I think if you look at number of stops/turnovers created per opponent possession, this year will look similar to years past. Teams are just going to get more oppurtunities to move the ball when our offense is scoring 8 times a game instead of 3.
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I can agree with this line of thought. Flacco is scoring at a high rate right now so that does lead to the defense being on the field a lot more then usual I can agree with this.

However, do you think that Rex was under appreciated in Bal? because clearly this guy is the truth. He has guys on my team ready to run through walls for the guy. I know the players on the Ravens really miss him I just think from a fan perspective he got a bad a deal.

[sideoutshu]

However, do you think that Rex was under appreciated in Bal? because clearly this guy is the truth. He has guys on my team ready to run through walls for the guy. I know the players on the Ravens really miss him I just think from a fan perspective he got a bad a deal.

I don't think he was underappreciated, everyone loved him. The fact that he didn't get the head coaching job in BAL is understandable. Biscotti has alot more rope with Ravens fans then anyone in the Jets orgainzation. The Jets were in a spot where they needed to do something drastic. The Ravens were better off going conservative.

[jerseyjay14]

Bro your seriously like a little girl having her rag for the first time. I never insulted your team and nor was I coming off like a know it all so cool off your vagina a little bit.



i would have to disagree with that... i think in 99% of your posts you come off like a know it all. no offense, just what it seems like

[Clintastic]

The Chiefs with Brodie Croyle at the helm put up 24 against these Ravens. S.D put up 26 and Rivers threw for 430. People are always talking about (and people on THIS BOARD) about how the Ravens have Ed Reed,Ray Lewis Ngata and Suggs and that their defense this and their defense that. Rex Ryan leaves and people are almost putting up 30 points a game and he comes here and no one has scored on us yet.


When Rex came here I sat and listened to all your shananigans about how Rex is just a coordinator and he had Lewis and company and him leaving wouldn't be no big thing. I'm sorry folks the proof is in the pudding.

14 of the 24 was not the defense fault.


san diego's offense is for real. no shame in giving up 26 to them. chiefs are another story, but thats also week 1 under a new co ordinator. the ravens will figure it out in short time

I agree. Phillip is for real.


I think Rivers threw for 450. Bro thats no excuse. Rex not being there is hurting their defense. Clearly!

Not Rex. Lack of communication with Landry for the most part. For example him almost KOing Ed Reed. Our puny corners can't handle 6'5" Gates, Jackson and Nene. They where abused.


Rex not being there, Landry just coming off of a lengthy injury (thus alot of missed playing time), the defense being at least somewhat new, Scott not being there, etc. Week 2's not even over yet. Settle down, big boy.

Exactly! Gooden and McClain looked lost in space out there. As I mentioned above some lack of communication with Landry.


We just had a bad day....and that KC game 7 points were from that punt block and another 7 were pretty much from a INT braught back to the 2. Besides our small corners cant handle Jackson.

Jackson abused them. He out jumped them. That what we get for having tiny, but blazing fast corners.


I actually was happy with the CB play. The long TD to Jackson was a safetey error more then anything. Foxworth made a great play against Chambes on teh one deep ball, and Frank Walker surprised the hell out of me when he broke up that touchdown, cause he is usually a doormat.

We leave the CB's on an island more often then most teams, and once a deep ball goes in the air, the receiver has an advantage in 1v1 coverage. Rivers probably chucked up 7-8, and we broke up or picked 3-4. That isn't bad.

I was not happy with the corner play. They got abused. Gates ran free in some zones. Frank Walker made one good play. He is still terrible. Team with a better slot man will roast Walker all day everyday.


I wanted Bmore to cut Walker so badly.....he just gets burned way to much

AGREED!!!

[MelloDrama]

i would have to disagree with that... i think in 99% of your posts you come off like a know it all. no offense, just what it seems like

No surprise this comes from you. Whine-alot-records!

[ThaSpecialist]

Too early for all that. They held KC to 188 yards of offense, followed up by holding SD to 45 yards rushing. We all know Rivers can sling it...

bingo.

KC also blocked a punt for a TD, had a short field most of the day. their 24 was some kinda joke.

we got a KC fan at work who tried to use the "we scored 24 on baltimore" theory when he heard I was starting the Oakland D/ST (vs KC) in FF against him.

I didn't fall for the scare tactic and got 15 pts. lol

[levdgg]

Too early for all that. They held KC to 188 yards of offense, followed up by holding SD to 45 yards rushing. We all know Rivers can sling it...

Listen to the man.

Ravens are still shutting the **** out of the run game, which to me is usually a better indicator of how good a defense is. Very few teams can consistently shut down a passing offense, especially a good one that is trailing. Remember when Testaverde went ape **** on the SB team back in 2000 when the Jets failed to make the playoffs in the final game?

[JoeJGibbs]

Too Late. Half of New York showed up late to work today. late night celebrating. :D

hahah I know how that is. Everyone on the train is talking to everyone, happy happy joy joy, yesterday silence.


i would have to disagree with that... i think in 99% of your posts you come off like a know it all. no offense, just what it seems like

lol this is going to be interesting.

[MelloDrama]

I would just like to revisit this after 8 games. Something is clearly going on. As I was saying I think Rex deserves alittle more credit over there in Baltimore, players and fans alike.

Clearly they are missing his play calling and defensive mind. I know the Secondary is weak minus Reed but what gives?..

It's all good though, I like the Ravens. I just couldn't understand the neglect for Rex after he left there. As if that defense would carry on like business as usual.

There is no coincidence that all of the sudden the Jets have a #2 ranked defense and the Ravens are reeling.

Can Rex get a little more credit now?

[sideoutshu]

I would just like to revisit this after 8 games. Something is clearly going on. As I was saying I think Rex deserves alittle more credit over there in Baltimore, players and fans alike.

Clearly they are missing his play calling and defensive mind. I know the Secondary is weak minus Reed but what gives?..

It's all good though, I like the Ravens. I just couldn't understand the neglect for Rex after he left there. As if that defense would carry on like business as usual.

There is no coincidence that all of the sudden the Jets have a #2 ranked defense and the Ravens are reeling.

Can Rex get a little more credit now?

The Ravens aren't losing because of defensive playcalling. They are losing because (1) their CB's can't cover AT ALL; (2) Their Place kicker can't make a kick; and (3) the Bengals are ALOT better then anyone thought they would be.

[killacs]

The Ravens aren't losing because of defensive playcalling. They are losing because (1) their CB's can't cover AT ALL; (2) Their Place kicker can't make a kick; and (3) the Bengals are ALOT better then anyone thought they would be.

If they still had Stover they'd have 2 more wins.

[543 Double Play]

I would just like to revisit this after 8 games. Something is clearly going on. As I was saying I think Rex deserves alittle more credit over there in Baltimore, players and fans alike.

Clearly they are missing his play calling and defensive mind. I know the Secondary is weak minus Reed but what gives?..

It's all good though, I like the Ravens. I just couldn't understand the neglect for Rex after he left there. As if that defense would carry on like business as usual.

There is no coincidence that all of the sudden the Jets have a #2 ranked defense and the Ravens are reeling.

Can Rex get a little more credit now?

Jets have the best defense in the NFL plain and simple. I knew this after 4 weeks. If the Jet's special teams and offense would help a tiny bit then the Jets would be at least 6-2.

[MelloDrama]

The Ravens aren't losing because of defensive playcalling. They are losing because (1) their CB's can't cover AT ALL; (2) Their Place kicker can't make a kick; and (3) the Bengals are ALOT better then anyone thought they would be.


I hear ya, but the defense is letting in some serious points. Whats interesting about the Ravens is they have OFFENSE now and they are still losing, too me, the Ravens should be unbeatable given their defense plus a Q.B now that can put points on the board.

The Ravens defense isn't as aggressive as it was under Rex. The defense cost them that 1st Bengals game (late scroing drive by Carson) ..

The proof is in the pudding though bro. The unit that they relied on for 9 to 10 years is failing. I know they have issues with Ngata and the secondary but it's just no coincidence that everywhere Rex has been he's had a good defense.

That defense misses him, the proof is so obvious.

[MelloDrama]

Jets have the best defense in the NFL plain and simple. I knew this after 4 weeks. If the Jet's special teams and offense would help a tiny bit then the Jets would be at least 6-2.


From a Pats fan this shocking!;)

but there is no question if Mark doesn't throw 5 picks against the Bills or gives the Saints 14 points on a platter or let Ginn run 2 KO's for T.D's we are in much better shape.

[rjmcc01]

You know how you know you spend to much time in the Sports Bar?

You drill into a thread you think is new, read the first post, scroll down a bit and see you've posted in it...yet have zero recolection of your post, the thread or ANYTHING. LMAO.

[Dawknest20]

Jets have the best defense in the NFL plain and simple. I knew this after 4 weeks. If the Jet's special teams and offense would help a tiny bit then the Jets would be at least 6-2.
lol, they have lost in some mind numbing ways.

- Not using any timeouts and possibly giving your offense a shot at the end of the 1st Miami game because as Rex said : "i felt there was no way they would score" :confused:
- 6 picks in total, an insane # of penalty's, and failing to haul in a FG snap in OT vs the Bills :rolleyes:
- Allowing a player to return two kicks for TDs against you, both over 100 yards :eek:

If they miss out on a playoff spot by a game or two, as they probably will if they fail to make it, that's gonna be a tough pill to swallow when you look back at all the miscues.

[sideoutshu]

The Ravens defense isn't as aggressive as it was under Rex. The defense cost them that 1st Bengals game (late scroing drive by Carson)

And what cost that game was two penalties, not defensive playcalling. Without the PI call that moved the Bengals 40+ yards that game is over before Ray Lewis even goes near Ochocinco. Nothing to do with Rex Ryan there, they had played a solid game to that point.



The proof is in the pudding though bro. The unit that they relied on for 9 to 10 years is failing. I know they have issues with Ngata and the secondary but it's just no coincidence that everywhere Rex has been he's had a good defense.

That defense misses him, the proof is so obvious.

It really isn't obvious at all. Their defense for years has been based upon heavy pressure and leaving CB's on an island in man coverage. It worked great when our CB's were Chris McCallister, Samari Rolle and Deion Sanders.

Not so much when they are Failian Washington and Stank Walker.

We are leading the league in PI calls by far. What is Rex going to do about Frank Walker hanging all over the WR anytime the ball is thrown beyond 20 yards?

[sideoutshu]

From a Pats fan this shocking!;)

but there is no question if Mark doesn't throw 5 picks against the Bills or gives the Saints 14 points on a platter or let Ginn run 2 KO's for T.D's we are in much better shape.

And the ravens are 7-1 if (a) hauska doesn't miss a gimme; (b) the refs don't obey Tom Brady; and (c) they don't give up a 40 yard PI call in the final minute of the CIN game.

Pretty much every decent team in the league can say stuff like that.

[Calhoun County]

Well "if" has never done anything. "If" we had a vertical attack in Denver we would be 7-1 but we don't so you are what you are for now. Both NY and Balt have really good defense its just that Balt isn't as consistent as they were last year, neverthless they are still a good unit. Still got 8 more weeks folks things should become interesting..............really really interesting in Denver if we lose to Wash this week.

[Iamonebigmofo]

Through 9 games Ravens/Jets D aren't far off defensively (statistically speaking).

Jets D : 17.6 PPG, 281.6 YPG
Ravens D : 17.1 PPG, 302.8 YPG

Ravens have more sacks and picks, for what it's worth...