Forced Free Agency

[TheUnaDonkey]

Ok, I was talking to vincent, and we need something to mix things up at this point, since EA has given us nothing in the realm of realistic free agency.

We've come up with a few ideas...so on to the polling.

1. FA draft- The 12 playoff teams will be required to cut an 80 ovr player, and the worst 12 teams pick them in order of record. The downside is that the 80ovr players dropped will be unplayable, making this option ineffective.

2. Redraft teams- DSF has made a thread about this, its fairly simple but ruins progression as someone else will most likely have your team.

3. Forced Trade Commission- Every team 1-32 based on final playoff standings will have a trading partner. 1 will trade with 32, 2 with 31 and so on....each team will supply a list of 5 players to part with, either above 80 ovr or 70ovr, based on which half of league they finished in, as well as 3-4 positions they desire. 3 respected owners will be part of a trade commission, and from the lists provided, will come up with a trade that sends a playable 80 ovr player for a playable 70s ovr at one of the positions requested if possible. This is the most complex idea, but also has the most potential for meaningful player movement.

Vote away

[R-ILLA]

Why is there not an option for "neither".

Teams are pretty thin (no depth) as is why force a trade or any of the above. Who says the league needs "mixing up"? May as well just go to NFL.com and force all teams to release the real free agents.

[vincent240]

Why is there not an option for "neither".

Teams are pretty thin (no depth) as is why force a trade or any of the above. Who says the league needs "mixing up"? May as well just go to NFL.com and force all teams to release the real free agents.

These are ideas, we have yet to decide on a course (either these choices or other). Nonetheless, we will simulate NFL's salary cap, expired contracts, free agency in some forms or another.

R-illa, you are one of the most active owners so your statement hold true for yourself, but certainly not the whole league. There are owners who will sit on their teams - we must implement something to simulate a fraction of real-life NFL. Hopefully, EA adds in salary cap and what nots next version so we don't have to do these things, but until then we will do something.

[TheUnaDonkey]

Why is there not an option for "neither".

Teams are pretty thin (no depth) as is why force a trade or any of the above. Who says the league needs "mixing up"? May as well just go to NFL.com and force all teams to release the real free agents.

There isn't an option for neither because it would win in a landslide with you guys :D

[huntin1]

Why don't we do this. Since most teams need to drop 4-7 players before the draft we could make it to where they had to drop certain OVR players. Like the teams in the playoffs drop atleast 1 80 OVR player and the teams not in the playoffs have to drop atleast 1 70 OVR player. Then we could have a FA draft for these players based on records or a random order.

[vincent240]

Why don't we do this. Since most teams need to drop 4-7 players before the draft we could make it to where they had to drop certain OVR players. Like the teams in the playoffs drop atleast 1 80 OVR player and the teams not in the playoffs have to drop atleast 1 70 OVR player. Then we could have a FA draft for these players based on records or a random order.

Hmm..not a bad idea.

[X Bones X]

redraft


We did that in a league on PS2, I thought I would hate it. I voted against it but we ended up doing it and I LOVED IT.

Madden is getting old so we need a new beginning.

[alaw78]

why do we have to drop anybody in 1st place? The NFL doesnt make you drop players just because??? If ppl do not want to trade dont force them. Personally some ppl hold high value on scrub players and that is what messes everything up in the 1st place. For instance off top of my head a player like Brett Favre OVR 90 something ppl will hold onto like he is gold or a player like Darren Mcfadden OVR 79 should not be treated like a 90 rated player. I always hear this guy fits my scheme or this guy beast for me so he is gonna cost lol. In one lg I am in a guy wanted a 2nd rd pick and matt schaub for vince young R u serious???????? and I was told that vince young plays better than the ovr 69 that he is rated c'mon gimme a break. forcing ppl to drop good players just for owners with bad records can pick them up is crazy some ppl gave away a lot to get their teams and believe me I dont care who the player is or the owner if some1 offers you the right price for your prized player u will part with that man so if ppl wanna trade offer more or forget about it. I personally gave up on trading because of crazy offers I see rejected and offers received. This is just my 2 cents on the subject lol. I do not mean harm on any1 I am purely speaking in general from all lg's that I am in.

[Rangview85]

What about those that have built the team to suit their needs and are hoping for progression and/or the draft to keep improving themselves?

Will be pissed if I lose more than one of my 80 OVR players.

Also, don't forget Geeing is headed to this league and will probably trade with each owner at least once if not twice:D

Another thing, have to factor in the retirements. Some might lose players that way as well.

[Gtrght77]

What about those that have built the team to suit their needs and are hoping for progression and/or the draft to keep improving themselves?

Will be pissed if I lose more than one of my 80 OVR players.

Also, don't forget Geeing is headed to this league and will probably trade with each owner at least once if not twice:D

This is my opinion as well, I don't mind having to drop one player but I would drop the league If I had to redraft.

[vincent240]

Huntin set a perfect example - he proposed an idea. If you don't like the ideas then propose your ideas. Whatever the case, we need to promote more activities. Now, Alaw, Gtrgiht, Rilla, and others..you guys are the least of my concerns because u all are active owners, but there are others who will sit on their teams. Plus, in NFL, every year teams loose players to salary cap, contracts, free agency, what not...do you guys have ideas how we can simulate (to some extend) that in our franchise which doesn't have these features?

Let's discuss..

Vincent.

[xX SNAKE Xx]

I say the teams with the less wins should pick f/a based on record just like the draft, or none of the above...

[chefMURK]

piggyback on Range and hunt... because there is no FA system in place by ea i know how you can make it work but i cant type it so im going to ask vince to call me.. its not complicated nor do you jus lose players for no reason

we need some kind of free agcy so you can fil holes by other meand than the draft NOT because you traded away your picks but because the rookies are missing so many intangables that im not a fan of forcing a rook to start

redrafting is nonsense

so vince holla at me ...8434966425

i can tell you that it starts by dropping the Higest rated player outside of the depth chart req's OR drop a 60(2) - 70(2)- and 80 (1) for all teams weak and good

i.e Seattle has DT Henderson DT haynesworth DT Peko DT brace DT Igor
you dress 3 dt's so the 4th or 5th dt the higher rated of the two gets dropped.. in thos case its Igor..

I liked this system because it doesnt leave you naked in any position and it releases some of the talent BAck into the league.. clearly as u can see losing 80 OVR Olshanski wont kill me but for some teams thats a welcome addition

the Alternate option is dropping a 60 70 and 80
in seattles case it would be
Todd Collins, Larry Izzo, Ron Brace, G Robinson, and (peko, Igor, or brett Farve)

as you see.. its in the cards for Peko, Igor or Farve to leave and that is a better option then forcing teams like SF and HOU who dont have any options to make horrid trades just to acquire moderate talent.......


As for aquiring the free agents you can do a board draft (easiest) or bids with each owner having 15 bids to use and thats where callin vince comes in

its all really easy and not complicated but a great way to release some of the stockpiled talent and make the teams more competitive...

This will hurt owners like MOney Mo who hordes all the speed and dosent even play the dudes but on the flip side houston has no speed at all .. thats because of the imbalance hording creates.... if there was a salary cap he couldnt do that because hed have to pay the players

[chefMURK]

ive explained it to Hunt and he understands the bidding system and how fun/effecive it can be.. anyone w q's feel free to call me ill explain 8434966425

[Gtrght77]

Guess I should of waited to release my unneeded players. :p

[mightypharaoh]

as I mentioned to Vin, there's always the Madden bum. There are several 80 OVR players that are terrible for madden.

Case in point looking at 2 MLBs

Brackett 83 OVR
Bailey 68 OVR

Now you figure no brainer go for brackett, but his SPD is 76 and Boss has 87 SPD.

So what's to say the FA pool isn't filled with old slow Madden bums?

[TheUnaDonkey]

I like chefmurk's idea the best i think. I don't care if its bids or just a FA draft though.

[vincent240]

I like chefmurk's idea the best i think. I don't care if its bids or just a FA draft though.

I like the idea too, however, does EA allows us to release players since they have a limit of players required on roster at any time?

[TheUnaDonkey]

we could just pickup scrubs or do it on forums first then work it out.

[mightypharaoh]

we could just pickup scrubs or do it on forums first then work it out.

a lot of folks already released 7 scrubs to get ready for the draft. Now while the FA could be useful to some, how long will it take? Have we nailed down a clear cut draft date? The league has 6 games that need to be played (div, conf, SB) before we get anywhere.

[TheUnaDonkey]

Yeah, just whatever...probably more effort than its worth, everyone will cut slow old guys.

[djKianoosh]

any option that relies on the forums or anything outside of the game itself is doomed to failure. please do not repeat mistakes that we've made already in other leagues.


every team has to drop 7 players to make room for rookies anyway.

[mightypharaoh]

any option that relies on the forums or anything outside of the game itself is doomed to failure. please do not repeat mistakes that we've made already in other leagues.


every team has to drop 7 players to make room for rookies anyway.

you mean like the 37 day NGML draft? :D ( sorry had to throw the jab :D)

[TheUnaDonkey]

you mean like the 37 day NGML draft? :D ( sorry had to throw the jab :D)

That had already come to mind when i suggested the forums option. I've lost all interest in this now, lol.

Lets get to the draft.

[mightypharaoh]

That had already come to mind when i suggested the forums option. I've lost all interest in this now, lol.

Lets get to the draft.

dude you need to lay off the drugs. lol Those meds are affecting your reasoning lol

[TheUnaDonkey]

Yeah, alright. I was just bored and wanted to spice things up, but now I see its doomed to fail due to the deplorably greedy nature of humans so....

I must be on drugs.


You should be happy I'm willing to change my mind, even if it makes me die a little inside hehe

[huntin1]

I like Chefmurks idea. It will add a bit of fun to the FA period. One guys bum may be one guys treasure. I have a couple decent players I'd be willing to drop to add depth to the FA market.

[xX SNAKE Xx]

a lot of folks already released 7 scrubs to get ready for the draft. Now while the FA could be useful to some, how long will it take? Have we nailed down a clear cut draft date? The league has 6 games that need to be played (div, conf, SB) before we get anywhere.

6 games to go, that gives us 3 weeks...:D

[mightypharaoh]

I like Chefmurks idea. It will add a bit of fun to the FA period. One guys bum may be one guys treasure. I have a couple decent players I'd be willing to drop to add depth to the FA market.

good you can start by dropping C. Wood off at the Panthers practice facility for a hot cup of nothing and a big bowl of steam lol

[huntin1]

good you can start by dropping C. Wood off at the Panthers practice facility for a hot cup of nothing and a big bowl of steam lol

He can be yours. For the right price that is.:D

[MoneyMo]

This will hurt owners like MOney Mo who hordes all the speed and dosent even play the dudes but on the flip side houston has no speed at all .. thats because of the imbalance hording creates.... if there was a salary cap he couldnt do that because hed have to pay the players

If I get to chose who to cut why would a cut a fast guy when I could cut someone else. If it came down to some crap where I was force to cut, I would trade guys before I had to cut for draft picks tbh, lol.

[MoneyMo]

Why isn't there a none of the above option? I would rather see a salary cap based on overall's tbh. For example if the cap is at 4000 and your players overalls added up too 4023 you would have to cut or trade 23 points of ovr ratings to get under. Much simpler and easier to manage.

[Comeback QB]

this is how you do it

waiver/protection

each team is allowed to protect 30 players

3-QB/K/P
3-RB/FB
4-WR/TE
5-OL

7-DL/LB
7-DB's

1-Extra player

All other players are free to be drafted away.
1-2 rounds of waiver draft, worst team to superbowl runnerup/winner

If those players are not drafted you keep them. If they are you have to release them.

This is not the end all idea to freshen up the teams; it is a great idea to get balance, and strip away guys who are being held but not being used.

[MoneyMo]

R-illa, you are one of the most active owners so your statement hold true for yourself, but certainly not the whole league. There are owners who will sit on their teams - we must implement something to simulate a fraction of real-life NFL. Hopefully, EA adds in salary cap and what nots next version so we don't have to do these things, but until then we will do something.

How is sim to trade like 20 times a season tbh? Show me a team in real life that trades like 20 players in season like indecline for example. Why should anyone be forced to trade or cut players because some owners like to do these things? I have nothing against people who trade like a madman, if anything a trade or two a season is more sim than say 5 trades a season. A lot easier to just implement a salary cap based on overalls imo.

[MoneyMo]

this is how you do it

waiver/protection

each team is allowed to protect 30 players

3-QB/K/P
3-RB/FB
4-WR/TE
5-OL

7-DL/LB
7-DB's

1-Extra player

All other players are free to be drafted away.
1-2 rounds of waiver draft, worst team to superbowl runnerup/winner

If those players are not drafted you keep them. If they are you have to release them.

This is not the end all idea to freshen up the teams; it is a great idea to get balance, and strip away guys who are being held but not being used.

I can live with this but all of this stuff is gonna create a cluster f...... imo. Reminds of the NGML rookie draft for season 1 that took two weeks.

[djKianoosh]

my point exactly. the ngml rookie draft was a pain in the arse. definitely wouldn't want to subject all of us to something like that again.

[Comeback QB]

I can live with this but all of this stuff is gonna create a cluster f...... imo. Reminds of the NGML rookie draft for season 1 that took two weeks.

1st
submit a list for 32 teams.
rules are if no list the players protected are ordered by defalt highest ratings.

Second
the draft (timed) if missed you automaticly protected a player on your own team by defalt. Who every is the best players (commish decision)

[smittymet]

I like Comebacks idea, except I'd adjust it this way.

Each team protects 15 players.
Once a player is drafted from a team, no other players from that team can be selected.

Pretty straight forward.

I know the DJ likes 10 players though...

[djKianoosh]

smitty, I think you mean unProtect 15 players... meaning, designate 15 players as available to the pool.

[chefMURK]

Murk idea = best a.k.a no red tape

[Ultimatum-A]

Hey guys, I know I'm not in PML currently, but I have an idea that you guys might like.

The idea is to mix up the teams a little correct? well then try this:

every team has to add 5 players to the trade block, based on their OVR.

2 80OVR players
2 70OVR players
1 60OVR players

Each team will then have the option to trade a 90OVR player and keep an extra player, thus only having to trade 4 players.

It will then be up to each person to decide who to trade with, but those 5(or 4) players must be traded.

Conversely, you may opt to just simply release those players, rather than take part in the trading. I wouldn't suggest this, but that's your choice if you do not want to take part in trading.

I'm sure that this option can and will be ammended, but I think this is a good start. Hope you guys like it.

[Ultimatum-A]

Haha, I already have an ammendment to add.

For every 90 OVR player you trade, you have to trade one less player. Therefore, if you may choose to trade 3 90 OVR players instead of the 5 suggested.

[vincent240]

Yeah, alright. I was just bored and wanted to spice things up, but now I see its doomed to fail due to the deplorably greedy nature of humans so....

I must be on drugs.


You should be happy I'm willing to change my mind, even if it makes me die a little inside hehe

Eh..ideas that might not work are better than no ideas so don't be discouraged. Believe it or not, your post provokes other ideas so there are a lot of goods in what you have brought up. Thanks.

[BEASTMODE!]

keep the teams the way they r, dont fault other people.. i think u guys r trying to do way too much .. and if we have to re draft ima have to agree with gtright and prolly drop the league.. idk its w/e though i just dont care lol

[Nevada_Ballin]

Huntin set a perfect example - he proposed an idea. If you don't like the ideas then propose your ideas. Whatever the case, we need to promote more activities. Now, Alaw, Gtrgiht, Rilla, and others..you guys are the least of my concerns because u all are active owners, but there are others who will sit on their teams. Plus, in NFL, every year teams loose players to salary cap, contracts, free agency, what not...do you guys have ideas how we can simulate (to some extend) that in our franchise which doesn't have these features?

Let's discuss..

Vincent.

Every 5th year player should be dropped. That's usually when most rookies who were worth anything out of college would be out of thir first contract. Doesn't matter what team or what rating they are. Off to FA land before our college draft. After the draft, sign the FAs... kinda like the real NFL. They usually sign FAs after the draft.

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[djKianoosh]

I like Comebacks idea, except I'd adjust it this way.

Each team protects 15 players.
Once a player is drafted from a team, no other players from that team can be selected.

Pretty straight forward.


I think this is the best idea so far. It accomplishes the main goal of this whole exercise which is to simulate the transfer of QUALITY players. all of you look at your roster. it will be tough to choose your top 15. But at the same time, you only stand to lose 1 player max. That protects all the owners that have done a good job building their team up to now.

I think this is the best option cause it prevents the top teams from being raided. and it also opens up the free agent pool with truly good talent. not end of the bench scrubs.

[drunkenstarfish]

He can be yours. For the right price that is.:D

The secret Huntin decoder ring I dug out of a box of Cheetos says.....

This means a 1st rounder, 2 starters, and one Stud offensive weapon. :D

[huntin1]

The secret Huntin decoder ring I dug out of a box of Cheetos says.....

This means a 1st rounder, 2 starters, and one Stud offensive weapon. :D

I'll take it. You can post it in the trade thread. :D

[xX SNAKE Xx]

why are people already sighning f/a's, I sent Russell to f/a by mistake and dj took him already, comon mayne...

[Nevada_Ballin]

Please don't make this more complicated than it needs to be. My proposal is nice and easy & makes sense in lieu of no contracts, salary caps etc. We can even allow a team to protect one 5th year player (chise tag).


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[TheUnaDonkey]

I think this is the best idea so far. It accomplishes the main goal of this whole exercise which is to simulate the transfer of QUALITY players. all of you look at your roster. it will be tough to choose your top 15. But at the same time, you only stand to lose 1 player max. That protects all the owners that have done a good job building their team up to now.

I think this is the best option cause it prevents the top teams from being raided. and it also opens up the free agent pool with truly good talent. not end of the bench scrubs.

agreed.....its probably the simplest and most effective tool to balance the league somewhat.

[Gtrght77]

I still don't like the idea of having to give away one of my starters because other people want to trade more.

[R-ILLA]

I still don't like the idea of having to give away one of my starters because other people want to trade more.

I agree, I dont like being forced to do anything. I shouldnt have to trade if I dont want to. However, if that's what it comes to so be it.

[Neg_Maron]

Every 5th year player should be dropped. That's usually when most rookies who were worth anything out of college would be out of thir first contract. Doesn't matter what team or what rating they are. Off to FA land before our college draft. After the draft, sign the FAs... kinda like the real NFL. They usually sign FAs after the draft.I like this idea. Also, owners who are satisfied with their team don't have to sacrifice their draft choices as much as some of the other options. I would hate to give away some of my key players because some owners had a bad draft and did some shady trade.

[R-ILLA]

I dont know what my 5th year players are (if I have any) but that's kind of messed up to make up a rule on the fly. I picked mostly young cats, so I hope that's not most of my better players. That'd be F'd up.

If I had to pick, I guess the protect 15 players would be cool though.

[chefMURK]

... with my method... you wont lose any starters.....

nor will you end up with a need where you didnt have one before....

also my method releases talent back into the pool where everyone can be a part of it


yall call

[Gtrght77]

None of my starting players are going anywhere. :p

[TheUnaDonkey]

lol, i'm taking one just outta spite now ;p

[Nevada_Ballin]

I dont know what my 5th year players are (if I have any) but that's kind of messed up to make up a rule on the fly. I picked mostly young cats, so I hope that's not most of my better players. That'd be F'd up.

If I had to pick, I guess the protect 15 players would be cool though.

Isn't that what this whole thing is doing in the first place, creating a rule on the fly?

Your 5th yr players will be the ones who are in the 4th year now. Being able to chise tag one of them also gives the owner an opportunity not to lose their best player if he is a 5th year guy.

Otherwise, someone can find a list of this year's FAs in real life and make it mandatory that these guys get released. But then we're looking at setting up a bidding war ala our PS2 days..... but we have no cap to bid with so it becomes a draft

I "think" we're trying to simulate real life FA as close as we can. In most cases, a rookie's contract is up after 4 or 5 years (if they are a good prospect to begin with). This also makes for another thing to ponder when making trades if there's going to be another season after the next one.

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[R-ILLA]

Isn't that what this whole thing is doing in the first place, creating a rule on the fly?

Your 5th yr players will be the ones who are in the 4th year now. Being able to chise tag one of them also gives the owner an opportunity not to lose their best player if he is a 5th year guy.

Otherwise, someone can find a list of this year's FAs in real life and make it mandatory that these guys get released. But then we're looking at setting up a bidding war ala our PS2 days..... but we have no cap to bid with so it becomes a draft

I "think" we're trying to simulate real life FA as close as we can. In most cases, a rookie's contract is up after 4 or 5 years (if they are a good prospect to begin with). This also makes for another thing to ponder when making trades if there's going to be another season after the next one.

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That's why it's best to announce a rule like this before hand. That way a person can draft accordingly. If I have 5 5th year players that are good, franchising one wouldnt make a difference........considering the other 4 are open game. I'm not saying I have 5, it's just and example.

Edit: Doesn't matter now anyway.

[Nevada_Ballin]

That's why it's best to announce a rule like this before hand. That way a person can draft accordingly. If I have 5 5th year players that are good, franchising one wouldnt make a difference........considering the other 4 are open game. I'm not saying I have 5, it's just and example.

Edit: Doesn't matter now anyway.

As a veteran of VG leagues for years now, I'm used to rules being changed at a moment's notice.... lol


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[alaw78]

This is gettin outta hand all these FA stuff. I am not going to drop any1 that I dont want to and nobody should. Like some1 else mentioned it seems like we are being punished because ppl wanna trade and like moneyho (lol had to do it MO no offense its funny) said trading 5,6,7 times is not sim. And the 5 yr drop player thing really dont work because some players sign long term and how will we sim that. cant we just rookie draft and get going because FA dropping and forcing seems to be getting nowhere. Honestly this should have been talked about b4 season 1 began but hey we know now for next time. Like some1 else mentioned some ppl drafted young talent in the hopes of becoming great in season 2 or 3 so now we just gonna force them to drop the goods after they stuck it out with the trash??????? no fair IMO

[getting awn]

I understand dropping the 7 but forcing people to drop certain players I cant agree to it. I dont trade because I dont want to. If I wanted to I would. I believe in building a team through the draft and not by trading. As long as people play their games that should be activity enough.

[vincent240]

Gentlemen:

The issue is not forcing anything that you don't want to do. I hear you. But, when we play the madden, we insist or play with some simulation in mind. During the offseason, NFL teams loose players due to various reasons even if those teams don't believe in trading and depend their future on the draft. I also understand we are not the NFL, but we can't sit on our teams as they are because that is totally not realistic.

Please read -> http://www.maddentips.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138418

Vincent.