MW2 (potential) Rules

[JoeJGibbs]

* How long should the matches be? (Mins/Kills?)
* Should all weapons be allowed? (Noob Tube?)

Any others?

[rjmcc01]

* How long should the matches be? (Mins/Kills?)
* Should all weapons be allowed? (Noob Tube?)

Any others?

I'd say time AND points...just like now...If that's possible in private matches.

Weapons should be a vote. I would LOVE to play without noob toobs and care package sprinters.

[LA BEASTIE]

I like how this is adding up. We need at least 3 teams of 6 guys. We need to make sure all the V_G guys are on there. Should be fun.

[dgeneryte]

If we're going to do private matches even teams of 4 players a team would be ok, that way we would have more teams in the "league" and may also prevent time constraints for getting everyone together.

I think we just eliminate the cheese things such as tac knife care package runners. Noob tubes can definitely be over used but they can also be used efficiently if someone is not spamming them and never shoots a bullet I am on the fence with those could go either way.

I also think we should play each other in different game modes such as everyone plays domination one week and the next week everyone plays S&D the next everyone plays team deathmatch, those are my 2 cents.

[djKianoosh]

I think the time factor should be removed to provide a better competitive dynamic. I think it gives the team that's down an opportunity to fight back and get back into a match.

[djKianoosh]

also, I vote to use Hardcore mode!! :) at least for some matches.

[BostonsFinest]

I wish someone would get this going for 360!

[dgeneryte]

I think the time factor should be removed to provide a better competitive dynamic. I think it gives the team that's down an opportunity to fight back and get back into a match.

I agree with this, I think we should play to a certain point total no time involved, first team to hit the number wins, this would also take out the possibility of a draw.

[JoeJGibbs]

I think the time factor should be removed to provide a better competitive dynamic. I think it gives the team that's down an opportunity to fight back and get back into a match.

That's a good point. But the way this game is setup, I haven't really seen any comebacks. If a team is getting mollywopped, than they get mollywopped until 75 kills.

HOWEVER, if we were playing hardcore, where people are more prone to camp, it would definitely provide handy.

However part deux.. it would be useful in the low scoring games where time runs out instead of a decisive winner.

[drunkenstarfish]

Hardcore with no time limit= 3 hour campfest IMO.

[dgeneryte]

Hardcore with no time limit= 3 hour campfest IMO.

True I didn't think of that. Guess time does need to stay especially if we go best of 7 that'll already be a good chunk of time especially if it's best of 7 on domination.

[JoeJGibbs]

Hardcore with no time limit= 3 hour campfest IMO.

That's impossible. Someone will have to die. Regardless if they're camping or not.

Besides, hardcore is a (Successful) camp fest I'd say because the Kill cam is turned off. So you never know where the guy is.
In private matches you can fully customize everything and leave it on.

[resnor]

I'm all for turning tubes off. They're good for getting a sniper...but just have someone on your team get a sniper rifle and hunt down the other sniper. Tubes are just too easy to abuse.

[A Disciple]

* How long should the matches be? (Mins/Kills?)
* Should all weapons be allowed? (Noob Tube?)

Any others?
its my opinion that we should run with normal setup and normal rules. its what we are all used to, and none of the point or time limitations are unrealistic.

what i want to address... what all game modes will we be doing. if this is going to be a TDM thing i'm out. like seriously. i want to play the objective based games. CTF, Sabotage, Demolition, Domination, etc. THESE are the games that are more about teamwork. in TDM you can have one guy go off and win it all for the team.

and speaking of outlawing weapons is not a smart idea IMO. who is to say that the toob should be outlawed and not the 1887s? if anything, i think Nukes should be outlawed.

Hardcore with no time limit= 3 hour campfest IMO.
yep!

That's impossible. Someone will have to die. Regardless if they're camping or not.

Besides, hardcore is a (Successful) camp fest I'd say because the Kill cam is turned off. So you never know where the guy is.
In private matches you can fully customize everything and leave it on.
thats not true gibbs. if both teams camp out at opposite sides of the map, then its just a boring waiting game.

I'm all for turning tubes off. They're good for getting a sniper...but just have someone on your team get a sniper rifle and hunt down the other sniper. Tubes are just too easy to abuse.
they are, but they also have great uses. guarding the flag, getting guys out of camped out areas. popping into a room where you know a guy is around the corner. facing multiple enemies. maybe outlaw One Man Army instead?

[killacs]

I'm all for turning tubes off. They're good for getting a sniper...but just have someone on your team get a sniper rifle and hunt down the other sniper. Tubes are just too easy to abuse.

Tubes are easy to beat too. Just gotta play a passive aggressive. Know when they're reloading and take them out.

[JoeJGibbs]

its my opinion that we should run with normal setup and normal rules. its what we are all used to, and none of the point or time limitations are unrealistic.

what i want to address... what all game modes will we be doing. if this is going to be a TDM thing i'm out. like seriously. i want to play the objective based games. CTF, Sabotage, Demolition, Domination, etc. THESE are the games that are more about teamwork. in TDM you can have one guy go off and win it all for the team.



Applehead,

Did you not read the other league format thread? :p

[resnor]

its my opinion that we should run with normal setup and normal rules. its what we are all used to, and none of the point or time limitations are unrealistic.

what i want to address... what all game modes will we be doing. if this is going to be a TDM thing i'm out. like seriously. i want to play the objective based games. CTF, Sabotage, Demolition, Domination, etc. THESE are the games that are more about teamwork. in TDM you can have one guy go off and win it all for the team.

and speaking of outlawing weapons is not a smart idea IMO. who is to say that the toob should be outlawed and not the 1887s? if anything, i think Nukes should be outlawed.

yep!

thats not true gibbs. if both teams camp out at opposite sides of the map, then its just a boring waiting game.

they are, but they also have great uses. guarding the flag, getting guys out of camped out areas. popping into a room where you know a guy is around the corner. facing multiple enemies. maybe outlaw One Man Army instead?

I use One Man Army all the time. I'm not really in favor of banning any perks. If you're running and gunning with a noob tube, as described above, that's EXACTLY the problem I have with the tube. That's not how they're meant to be used. Throw a flash grenade in the room...it's what they're designed for...cook a grenade, and toss it in. Leave the noob tube at home.

[resnor]

Tubes are easy to beat too. Just gotta play a passive aggressive. Know when they're reloading and take them out.

That doesn't help when they have Danger Close, and they drop a 203 15 feet from you, and kill you.

[Aldogg]

Here are the gamebattles.com rules, which I guess could also be considered MLG type rules too. Maybe this is something to go by, or we could take these and tweak these

1.

The default settings specified in these rules can be changed, but only if an option is available in the challenge. The staff will support no other agreements, (i.e. verbal, AIM, email). So unless specified otherwise in the match details, these default rules will be followed.
* The following settings apply to all GameBattles matches, regardless of the Game Mode.

o Spectating: Disabled (Does not apply for Search and Destroy). Spectating is to be Enabled when a Staff Member is present to spectate the match.
o Friendly Fire: Enabled
o Forced Respawns: Enabled
o Wave Spawn Delay: None
o ReSpawn Delay: None (Does not apply to Sabotage, Capture the Flag, Domination, and Demolition)
o Radar Always On: Challenge Option
o Max Health: Normal
o Health Regeneration: Normal
o Kill Cam: Enabled
o Headshots Only: Disabled
o Third Person View: Challenge Option
o Allow Perks: Challenge Option
o Killstreak Rewards: Challenge Option
o Number of Lives: Unlimited (Does not apply to Search and Destroy.)
o Join in Progress: Not Allowed
o Hardcore Mode: Challenge Option

* The following settings are specific to each Game Mode, so please read them carefully before setting up the server.

o Team Deathmatch
+ Points to Win: 5000
+ Round Timer: 10 Minutes

o Search and Destroy
+ Round Length: 3 Minutes
+ Bomb Timer: 45 Seconds
+ Number of lives: 1 Life
+ Plant Time: 7.5 Seconds
+ Defuse Time: 7.5 Seconds
+ Multi Bomb: Disabled
+ Score Limit: 4 Points
+ Round Switch: Every Round
+ Spectator: Team Only

o Sabotage
+ Time Limit: 10 Minutes
+ Bomb Timer: 45 Seconds
+ Plant Time: 5 Seconds
+ Defuse Time: 5 Seconds
+ Respawn Delay: 7.5
+ Shared Bomb Timer: No
+ Note: In the event of a tie, the game will go into Overtime to determine the winner. If the Overtime results in a Draw, the map must be replayed until a winner is decided.

o Domination
+ Time Limit: 10 Minutes
+ Score Limit: Unlimited
+ Respawn Delay: 5 Seconds

o Capture The Flag
+ Time Limit: 10 Minutes
+ Score Limit: Unlimited
+ Respawn Delay: 5 Seconds
+ Note: In the event of a tie, the game will go into Overtime to determine the winner. If the Overtime results in a Draw, the map must be replayed until a winner is decided.

o Demolition
+ Time Limit: 3 Minutes
+ Round Switch: Every Round
+ Bomb Timer: 30 Seconds
+ Plant Time: 5 Seconds
+ Defuse Time: 5 Seconds
+ Extra Time: 2 Minutes
+ Respawn Delay: 5 Seconds

o Headquarters
+ Time Limit: 10 Minutes
+ Score Limit: Unlimited
+ HQ Lifetime: 1 Minute
+ HQ Activate Delay: 30 Seconds

2. If any of the above settings are incorrect, the hosting team forfeits that map. The team hosting is responsible to ensure all setting are correct prior to beginning any map. If the settings are incorrect, the map needs to end and the next map needs to be played. The team that was not hosting is responsible for obtaining valid proof to show that the hosting team did not have the settings correct. A ticket with valid proof must be submitted immediately after the match has been completed.

MLG Variant Settings

1.

All of the Settings changes that were made to the default Game Modes (Search and Destroy, Capture the Flag, and Demolition) are listed below. Settings that are not listed below should not be changed from their default state.

* Maps and Modes
o Favela - Capture the Flag
o Highrise - Search and Destroy
o Highrise - Capture the Flag
o Highrise - Demolition
o Invasion - Search and Destroy
o Invasion - Capture the Flag
o Invasion - Demolition
o Karachi - Search and Destroy
o Karachi - Capture the Flag
o Karachi - Demolition
o Scrapyard - Search and Destroy
o Scrapyard - Capture the Flag
o Scrapyard - Demolition
o Skidrow - Capture the Flag
o Terminal - Search and Destroy
o Terminal - Capture the Flag
o Terminal - Demolition

* Game Settings
o Join in Progress: Not Allowed
o Spectator: Team Only
o Friendly Fire: Enabled
o Forced Respawn: Enabled
o Wave Spawn Delay: None
o Radar Always On: Disabled
o Max Health: Normal
o Health Regeneration: Normal
o KillCam: Enabled
o Headshots Only: Disabled
o Allow Perks: Enabled
o Killstreak Rewards: Disabled
o Number of Lives: Unlimited (Does not apply to Search and Destroy)
o 3rd Person: Disabled
o Hardcore Mode: Disabled


The following settings are specific to each Game Mode, so please read them carefully before setting up the server.

* Search and Destroy
o Round Length: 2.5 Minutes
o Bomb Timer: 45 Seconds
o Number of lives: 1 Life
o Plant Time: 7.5 Seconds
o Defuse Time: 7.5 Seconds
o Multi Bomb: Disabled
o Score Limit: 4 Points
o Round Switch: Every Round

* Capture the Flag
o Time Limit: 10 Minutes
o Score Limit: Unlimited
o Respawn Delay: 7.5 Seconds
o Note: In the event of a tie, the Overtime tie-breaker will not be used, the map must be replayed until a winner is found.

* Demolition
o Time Limit: 3 Minutes
o Round Switch: Every Round
o Bomb Timer: 45 Seconds
o Plant Time: 5 Seconds
o Defuse Time: 5 Seconds
o Extra Time: 2 Minutes
o Respawn Delay: 5 Seconds

* Banned Weapons
o Grenade Launcher
o Claymore
o C4
o Secondary Launchers
o Blast Shield
o Tactical Insertion
o Riot Shield
o Shotguns

* Banned Perks
o Bling
o One Man Army

* Note: Copycat must be used as the Death Streak

[resnor]

I hate Gamebattles. LOL. I don't think we should ban any perks. I don't think we should ban any shotties. We need to have launchers to take out choppers, etc. I just think that grenade launchers should be strongly discouraged. I don't feel like playing against someone using a grenade launcher the whole time. That being said, I don't think that there's anyone in the league who's gonna do that. I guess we could not ban them, but if it becomes a problem, then do something about it.

[Gtrght77]

Hardcore with no time limit= 3 hour campfest IMO.

What is the point of this league if you guys are just going to play like you do online? :p

Just because the game mode is on Hard Core doesn't mean you need to camp. You could always just do what Kip does, just start killing your own teammates. lol

[rjmcc01]

I hate Gamebattles. LOL. I don't think we should ban any perks. I don't think we should ban any shotties. We need to have launchers to take out choppers, etc. I just think that grenade launchers should be strongly discouraged. I don't feel like playing against someone using a grenade launcher the whole time. That being said, I don't think that there's anyone in the league who's gonna do that. I guess we could not ban them, but if it becomes a problem, then do something about it.

Agree...the only rule I'd suggest is if you have a GL then you can't have Scavenger maybe?

I don't know...I'm anti big government so I can't really say we need to instill a bunch of rules...lol...but I hate GL's more than a pussy ball boil.

[rjmcc01]

Maybe we should just poll it? Let the league decide the fairst way?

[resnor]

I say we just leave all weapons in play. If someone starts abusing launchers, then we could consider doing something about it.

[Xx Shadow_Baller xX]

I say we just leave all weapons in play. If someone starts abusing launchers, then we could consider doing something about it.

I guess Sour cant be in it then, we'd be considering the day after the 1st game.

[rjmcc01]

I guess Sour cant be in it then, we'd be considering the day after the 1st game.

Tell us what's with you leg !! It's only fair.

[levdgg]

My only suggestion is that nukes are banned, lest Kippy's team win every game.


Also, I'm in.

[Xx Shadow_Baller xX]

My only suggestion is that nukes are banned, lest Kippy's team win every game.


Also, I'm in.

nick will be mad at your suggestion.

[A Disciple]

Applehead,

Did you not read the other league format thread? :p
lol, get all your info in one basket bum. :p

I use One Man Army all the time. I'm not really in favor of banning any perks. If you're running and gunning with a noob tube, as described above, that's EXACTLY the problem I have with the tube. That's not how they're meant to be used. Throw a flash grenade in the room...it's what they're designed for...cook a grenade, and toss it in. Leave the noob tube at home.
i use it too. i'm not for banning the toob cause i use it. and i know that i can either use it normal or i can abuse. and i tell you right now, if it is within the rules, i am going to abuse it with OMA, DC and toob my butt off. but if that is not what is going to be the most fun for everyone, then i suggest putting a ban on OMA over putting a ban on the toob. OMA is what allows you to abuse the tube.

My only suggestion is that nukes are banned, lest Kippy's team win every game.


Also, I'm in.
i highly agree that we should not allow nukes.

[levdgg]

I've been in enough Madden leagues to know that if you leave the noob tube rules as a gray area half you mofos are gonna get a case of sandy vagina when you lose and start flaming the hell out of each other. Easiest solution would be no One Man Army and no Danger Close when using a tube.

[Xx Shadow_Baller xX]

I've been in enough Madden leagues to know that if you leave the noob tube rules as a gray area half you mofos are gonna get a case of sandy vagina when you lose and start flaming the hell out of each other. Easiest solution would be no One Man Army and no Danger Close when using a tube.

how the hell are you gonna control this rule? anyone could break the one man army restriction without anyone knowing.

[levdgg]

how the hell are you gonna control this rule? anyone could break the one man army restriction without anyone knowing.

You may not be familiar with the intricacies of this game, but it's called a killcam, chumperton, which shows the perks used by the person who is killing you. There's also a huge duffle bag on your back when you're running the class.

[Xx Shadow_Baller xX]

You may not be familiar with the intricacies of this game, but it's called a killcam, chumperton, which shows the perks used by the person who is killing you. There's also a huge duffle bag on your back when you're running the class.

ok, why are you posting here? You're on 360 lol???

[levdgg]

ok, why are you posting here? You're on 360 lol???

I'm on PS3, too. And, as with all matters, I clearly know infinitely more about this topic than yourself.

[drunkenstarfish]

I'm on PS3, too. And, as with all matters, I clearly know infinitely more about this topic than yourself.

Was I the only one that saw this coming from 20 miles away LOL.
But I must say I am very impressed with the wording. You have a gift Lev, a true gift.

[XxsourdieselxX]

theres no rules in war

[ravenmaniac]

No noobtubes and no hardcore

[resnor]

If you're gonna ban OMA with the tube, then you'd have to ban Scavenger with it also.

AD...are you serious, by the way? Do you really play like that? Tubing all the time? That's pretty weak, if true. I put together an explosive class the other night, to combat some douche who was tubing and rocket launching with Danger Close, and I went 15-13. Gheyest way of playing. Ever.

[drunkenstarfish]

theres no rules in war

Theres no respawning either. You die your dead.

[rjmcc01]

If you're gonna ban OMA with the tube, then you'd have to ban Scavenger with it also.

AD...are you serious, by the way? Do you really play like that? Tubing all the time? That's pretty weak, if true. I put together an explosive class the other night, to combat some douche who was tubing and rocket launching with Danger Close, and I went 15-13. Gheyest way of playing. Ever.

I'm with Resnor. If you play with Noob toob with either Savenger OR DC ro anything that enhance it you bummin it IMO. No skill is required...It's lame...It's a legal glitch.

We just need to vote, I'm sure the guys here will say no noob toob at all.

If you want to noob toob then we play a mode with NO respawning...cause your one demensional play will never take you to the end. Learn to play the game the right way and put down the toob.

[A Disciple]

I've been in enough Madden leagues to know that if you leave the noob tube rules as a gray area half you mofos are gonna get a case of sandy vagina when you lose and start flaming the hell out of each other. Easiest solution would be no One Man Army and no Danger Close when using a tube.
i dont see the prob with danger close, but OMA i see for sure.

theres no rules in war
lol, good one.

If you're gonna ban OMA with the tube, then you'd have to ban Scavenger with it also.

AD...are you serious, by the way? Do you really play like that? Tubing all the time? That's pretty weak, if true. I put together an explosive class the other night, to combat some douche who was tubing and rocket launching with Danger Close, and I went 15-13. Gheyest way of playing. Ever.
i do have a class set up for that. gay, maybe. but the game allows it. its not like its a glitch. it is normal game play. i know it is SOOOOOO unrealistic that it dont even make sense. there is no collateral damage you can toob a guy 3 feet away and not hurt yourself. you can toob into a sea of your own guys and kll an enemy with no damage to your guys. the toob is outta hand, i agree. but its in the game, so yes... i use it. and yes, depending on my mood, i abuse it.

lmbo... i appologze for the upcoming lame cliche quote, but man does it fir... dont hate the player, hate the game. lol. im just playing what infinity ward gave us. i think the 1887s are far gayer though.

Theres no respawning either. You die your dead.
lol, even better one.

I'm with Resnor. If you play with Noob toob with either Savenger OR DC ro anything that enhance it you bummin it IMO. No skill is required...It's lame...It's a legal glitch.

We just need to vote, I'm sure the guys here will say no noob toob at all.

If you want to noob toob then we play a mode with NO respawning...cause your one demensional play will never take you to the end. Learn to play the game the right way and put down the toob.
the toob does have its uses. i explained them earlier. i dont think it should be outlawed all together, but i do think OMA shouldnt be allowed. OMA is more unrealistic than the toob, lol.

what military man you know that can go into battle trained as infantry, then in the middle of the battle changes to a scout sniper??? lol

[JoeJGibbs]

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what military man you know that can go into battle trained as infantry, then in the middle of the battle changes to a scout sniper??? lol

lol this made me chuckle.

[resnor]

AD...it's cheese. Like running goalline offense all day on Madden, or fb dives in 09. Sure, it's in the game, but....

I use OMA on all classes. I like to switch between my Coldblooded classes and Hardline classes. If OMA gets banned, then tubes should def get banned, and Scavenger. Like I said, I don't think any perks should be banned.

[dgeneryte]

Honestly though I don't think it would be much of an issue, for the most part everyone here has played together in a party at some point. The VGers I play with are straight I normally don't see any of us running around with Tubes or Tac Knife the whole game. I say based on that I think we can all trust each other won't exploit things like Tubes with danger close and OMA.

[Xx Shadow_Baller xX]

Theres no respawning either. You die your dead.

To S&D we go!!!!!!

[A Disciple]

AD...it's cheese. Like running goalline offense all day on Madden, or fb dives in 09. Sure, it's in the game, but....

I use OMA on all classes. I like to switch between my Coldblooded classes and Hardline classes. If OMA gets banned, then tubes should def get banned, and Scavenger. Like I said, I don't think any perks should be banned.
1887's are cheese.
Tac knife and commando is cheese.
going to the top of the building in Highrise with a sniper and tac insertion is cheese.
heck, tac insertion in its on right could be considered cheese.
OMA is most definitely cheesy.

but all this stuff is part of the game. where do we draw the line at what cheese stays and what cheese goes? the grenade launcher is a real thing. i can go into the army and get a grenade launcher on my assault rifle. i can really do that. i can really pick up ammo off of a dead soldier. that can really happen.

can i really carry around a book bag with 5 other primary guns and 5 other sets of skills in it? that takes me 3 seconds to completely switch from one gun and set of skills to another??? i mean lets look at it objectively. OMA is cheese bro. call a spade a spade.

but it IS in the game.

Honestly though I don't think it would be much of an issue, for the most part everyone here has played together in a party at some point. The VGers I play with are straight I normally don't see any of us running around with Tubes or Tac Knife the whole game. I say based on that I think we can all trust each other won't exploit things like Tubes with danger close and OMA.
you have too much faith in folk. we will do what is within the rules and some of us will test those boundaries. just 5 years of VG madden league experience talking here.

if toobing with OMA is legal, people are going to be calling for me to be kicked out in less than a week. just being honest.

and dont blame me for being real. im just saying what other people won't. i wouldnt be the only one to abuse it. others would move to it as well.

[resnor]

1887's are cheese.
Tac knife and commando is cheese.
going to the top of the building in Highrise with a sniper and tac insertion is cheese.Yeah, cause snipers NEVER get to high ground.
heck, tac insertion in its on right could be considered cheese.
OMA is most definitely cheesy.

but all this stuff is part of the game. where do we draw the line at what cheese stays and what cheese goes? the grenade launcher is a real thing. i can go into the army and get a grenade launcher on my assault rifle. i can really do that. i can really pick up ammo off of a dead soldier. that can really happen.

can i really carry around a book bag with 5 other primary guns and 5 other sets of skills in it? that takes me 3 seconds to completely switch from one gun and set of skills to another??? i mean lets look at it objectively. OMA is cheese bro. call a spade a spade.

but it IS in the game.

you have too much faith in folk. we will do what is within the rules and some of us will test those boundaries. just 5 years of VG madden league experience talking here.

if toobing with OMA is legal, people are going to be calling for me to be kicked out in less than a week. just being honest.

and dont blame me for being real. im just saying what other people won't. i wouldnt be the only one to abuse it. others would move to it as well.

Being able to switch out your weapons may not be REALISTIC, but it is NOT cheese. Using your GL to launch grenades all over the map IS cheese. It's no different than running FB dives in Madden. Using OMA is akin to using the Dolphins, and running with Pitts offensive playbook, and the Jets defensive playbook...not realistic, but not cheese.

I mean, seriously dude...why do you want to sit back with OMA, and tube the whole time? Seriously. You talk about not being very good...but then you let out that you like to tube...no wonder you're not very good.

Let's put this isht to a vote. Like I said, I don't think that we should ban any perks. I liked Lev's idea...no OMA or DC when running with a GL equipped. Fairly easy to regulate. Straight up, if we don't ban GL's, when I get back to the right levels (I prestiged, LOL), I will make an explosive class...and if I'm in a match where some dude on the other side is running with DC/OMA/Scavenger and a GL/launcher, I will pull out my class, and do the same.

[A Disciple]

Being able to switch out your weapons may not be REALISTIC, but it is NOT cheese. Using your GL to launch grenades all over the map IS cheese. It's no different than running FB dives in Madden. Using OMA is akin to using the Dolphins, and running with Pitts offensive playbook, and the Jets defensive playbook...not realistic, but not cheese.

I mean, seriously dude...why do you want to sit back with OMA, and tube the whole time? Seriously. You talk about not being very good...but then you let out that you like to tube...no wonder you're not very good.

Let's put this isht to a vote. Like I said, I don't think that we should ban any perks. I liked Lev's idea...no OMA or DC when running with a GL equipped. Fairly easy to regulate. Straight up, if we don't ban GL's, when I get back to the right levels (I prestiged, LOL), I will make an explosive class...and if I'm in a match where some dude on the other side is running with DC/OMA/Scavenger and a GL/launcher, I will pull out my class, and do the same.
you know the difference between me and you in this convo? is that i can admit to my "cheese" and you cant admit to yours.

you say im running FB dives. ok, thats cool. i'll own up to that. but you are quick passing to Clarence Moore and saying its nothing. ;) lol

there are a LOT of things that you can call "cheese". to single out cheddar and not talk about swiss, muenster (sp?) and velveeta doesnt make it right.

answer me one thing though... explain to me how doing something that IS realistic is cheese, but doing something that is NOT realistis is not cheese? your playbook analogy doesnt work. when we play madden, we BECOME the GM's, coaches, staff, everything. so it IS realistic to run with whatever playbooks and coaching philosophies we so choose.

do you think Rex Ryan used the Jets DPB when he took over? or do you think he installed his OWN philosophy?

and that little knock on why im not good was cute. but thats not the reason. i have 1 toobing class. and i use that one class to get my Danger Close challenges complete. i also have a fast class, which i have been using mostly as of late, so that i can complete Lightweight and Marathon. contrary to popular thoughts... i play the game just to have fun. im not trying to be Sandy Ravage and have a great MW2 run.

i paid my 60 to play however i wanna play. you paid your 60 to play however you wanna play. only difference is i know toobing is velveeta extra creamy while you think OMA is perfectly normal. we both have cheesy tactics, both perfectly ok by the game standards... i just can own up to mine. lol

[resnor]

you know the difference between me and you in this convo? is that i can admit to my "cheese" and you cant admit to yours.

you say im running FB dives. ok, thats cool. i'll own up to that. but you are quick passing to Clarence Moore and saying its nothing. ;) lol

there are a LOT of things that you can call "cheese". to single out cheddar and not talk about swiss, muenster (sp?) and velveeta doesnt make it right.

answer me one thing though... explain to me how doing something that IS realistic is cheese, but doing something that is NOT realistis is not cheese? your playbook analogy doesnt work. when we play madden, we BECOME the GM's, coaches, staff, everything. so it IS realistic to run with whatever playbooks and coaching philosophies we so choose.

do you think Rex Ryan used the Jets DPB when he took over? or do you think he installed his OWN philosophy?

and that little knock on why im not good was cute. but thats not the reason. i have 1 toobing class. and i use that one class to get my Danger Close challenges complete. i also have a fast class, which i have been using mostly as of late, so that i can complete Lightweight and Marathon. contrary to popular thoughts... i play the game just to have fun. im not trying to be Sandy Ravage and have a great MW2 run.

i paid my 60 to play however i wanna play. you paid your 60 to play however you wanna play. only difference is i know toobing is velveeta extra creamy while you think OMA is perfectly normal. we both have cheesy tactics, both perfectly ok by the game standards... i just can own up to mine. lol

Quite frankly, I think all the perks are "cheese." However, if you don't use the perks, you're gonna get raped. That being said, using OMA, THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED, isn't exploiting the game. For instance, I had a class with Hardline Pro. I would use that, until the other team got a chopper in the air. THen I would switch, using OMA, to a one of my classes with Coldblooded in it. That way, I didn't get raped by the chopper. I wasn't sitting in a corner of the map lobbing GL's, and then using OMA to refresh my ammo, so I could lob more GL's. Don't try to justify your cheese by acting like using OMA is even remotely the same as lobbing GL's with OMA and DC.

[drunkenstarfish]

Seeing as how everyone wants to compare this to real life war....

Which do you think you would see in real war?


AD launching grenades all over the place trying to avoid being killed?
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/redoubtable1/Smilies/2a66ph3.gif

or

Resnor stealthly working his way around a warzone with a huge backpack on filled with weapons?

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m237/emybear3/Florence/ccf9.jpg

[resnor]

HEY!!! Why am I the chick???

For what it's worth, I'm not comparing it to real life. I'm simply stating what the majority of people who play these games think. Going all the way back to playing Socom 2, GL's have been considered cheese by people playing these games. There's a reason that everyone knows them by the name "noob tube."

[drunkenstarfish]

Sorry I couldn't find a picture of a huge backpack on a guy at short notice.

Don't mind me the friendly neighborhood
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e65/Frewil/ZRX/stir.gif

Maybe it's a feminine looking dude with a big backpack?
Are you feminine?
Want me to slap some facial hair on it with paint?

[A Disciple]

Quite frankly, I think all the perks are "cheese." However, if you don't use the perks, you're gonna get raped. That being said, using OMA, THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED, isn't exploiting the game. oh, thats my bad. i had no idea that you were on the design team at Infinity Ward. didnt realize you knew what it was designed for.For instance, I had a class with Hardline Pro. I would use that, until the other team got a chopper in the air. THen I would switch, using OMA, to a one of my classes with Coldblooded in it. That way, I didn't get raped by the chopper. you can switch classes once you get killed.I wasn't sitting in a corner of the map lobbing GL's, and then using OMA to refresh my ammo, so I could lob more GL's. who said i was sitting in a corner?Don't try to justify your cheese by acting like using OMA is even remotely the same as lobbing GL's with OMA and DC.
im not trying to act like they are the same. but it is still very cheesy. it just doesnt make sense to me that you try to call out the one you dont like but wont call out the ones you do like.

i think that commando and tac knife is ULLLLLLLLLLLLLLTRA cheesy. but the game allows it. i dont like it, and i will call it cheesy. but to sit back and not own up to my own brand of cheese is lame. the toob is very cheesy. not because i can reload my ammo, but because there is no downfall to using it. like i said earlier, no collateral damage. (not saying i would want friendly fire turned on. that would SUUUUCK.) you are saying using OMA to replinish toobs is wack, but what about replenishing claymores, semtex, grenades, etc.

no matter how you look at it... OMA is very very cheesy. just say that you like your brand of cheese over mine. i like mine with a glass of wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine. ;) lol

Seeing as how everyone wants to compare this to real life war....

Which do you think you would see in real war?


AD launching grenades all over the place trying to avoid being killed?
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/redoubtable1/Smilies/2a66ph3.gif

or

Resnor stealthly working his way around a warzone with a huge backpack on filled with weapons?

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m237/emybear3/Florence/ccf9.jpg
lmboooooooooooooo... that pic is too hilarious. and dont forget there is more than just weapons in that back pack. he's got a whole new set of skills as well, lol.

[A Disciple]

HEY!!! Why am I the chick???

For what it's worth, I'm not comparing it to real life. I'm simply stating what the majority of people who play these games think. Going all the way back to playing Socom 2, GL's have been considered cheese by people playing these games. There's a reason that everyone knows them by the name "noob tube."
the "majority" of people also think "camping" is stupid. but i disagree 100%. the point of war is NOT TO DIE. so do whatever it takes to increase your chances of survival.

there are different ways to play the game. sometimes i camp. sometimes i snipe. sometimes i toob. sometimes a i run n gun. you play the way that you enjoy and i'll play the way i enjoy.

you can call it "gay", tell me i wont ever be good at the game and all that other crap all you want. but thats still just your opinion. and imo... there is more than just simply one slice of cheese in this game.

hell.. the knife in itself is the CHEESIEST thing possible. i can be getting bullets dumped into me and one slice... and its all good. sometimes the knife kills you and the guy aint even facing you.

how about Last Stand? lets not even get started on how cheesy that is. your dead, but lets give you another chance to kill people.

this game is LOADED with cheesy crap. just like madden was. dont call someone out for FB dives when you are quick passing and setting up nanos.

[resnor]

Get off it, dude. Using OMA to switch classes to deal with a new situation is using it for what it's designed for. Using it to stock up on GL's is not. By the way, you can only plant 3 claymores, I think, so I don't think many people are running around with OMA in order to claymore up a map. LOL. Is the knife cheesy? Most def. Marathon with lightweight with Commando and knifing is uber cheesy. I don't do that, either.

I'm not complaining about perks. I'm not complaining about weapons. I'm complaining about YOUR attitude that was this: "If tubes are allowed, I'm gonna use them with OMA and just tube the ***** out of everybody." Even though you KNOW that EVERYONE hates GL's, and EVERYONE thinks they're cheesy, you're gonna do it anyway.

Camping is pretty weak. I mean, serious, hard core camping. Like, sitting in a corner with a sniper rifle. If everyone did it, then no one would die, cause you would never see anyone.

If I'm on a kill streak, WTH would I keep my class that leaves me vulnerable to a chopper? By the way...where did I say that YOU were sitting in a corner lobbing GL's? I didn't.

Doesn't matter how you slice it...there really is no comparing OMA to whoring it up with a GL. Whatever, leave GL's in, and just wait and see how many people start using them, and then watch the interest in the league die. Take out GL's, but leave in OMA, and no one cares. Take out OMA, and leave in GL's, and people will still abuse GL's, and people will lose interest in the league. Common theme? GL's.

/thread.

[A Disciple]

Get off it, dude. get off what? being honest? Using OMA to switch classes to deal with a new situation is using it for what it's designed for. Using it to stock up on GL's is not. By the way, you can only plant 3 claymores, I think, so I don't think many people are running around with OMA in order to claymore up a map. LOL. I'll take missing the point for 500 Alex. you get 1 Claymore. once its used up, thats supposed to be it. if a sniper is camped out in a hard to get place, they plant a Claymore to protect themselves. Once someone blows that Claymore, thats all you get. just like your 2 toobs. but with OMA, you can replant Claymores infinitely. just the same as Nades, Semtex, C4, etc. na... nothing cheesy about OMA. infinite ammo makes PERFECT sense. Is the knife cheesy? Most def. Marathon with lightweight with Commando and knifing is uber cheesy. I don't do that, either. so why not complain and ask for that to be banned as well?

I'm not complaining about perks. I'm not complaining about weapons. I'm complaining about YOUR attitude that was this: "If tubes are allowed, I'm gonna use them with OMA and just tube the ***** out of everybody." Even though you KNOW that EVERYONE hates GL's, and EVERYONE thinks they're cheesy, you're gonna do it anyway. so you are complaining about me being honest and telling everyone from the jump that i will play within the parameters of the rules set forth? ok, got ya. yeah, i definitely should have just stayed quiet and not said anything about toobing and OMA and waited until the league started and just did it without warning. that makes perfect sense.

Camping is pretty weak. I mean, serious, hard core camping. Like, sitting in a corner with a sniper rifle. If everyone did it, then no one would die, cause you would never see anyone. ok, lets ban camping also.

If I'm on a kill streak, WTH would I keep my class that leaves me vulnerable to a chopper? that is a choice that you made when you chose Hardline over Cold Blooded. you say that every perk is cheesy... yet you wont admit that switching to whichever one you want, WHENEVER you want... is cheesy. By the way...where did I say that YOU were sitting in a corner lobbing GL's? I didn't. you implied.

Doesn't matter how you slice it...there really is no comparing OMA to whoring it up with a GL. Whatever, leave GL's in, and just wait and see how many people start using them, and then watch the interest in the league die. Take out GL's, but leave in OMA, and no one cares. Take out OMA, and leave in GL's, and people will still abuse GL's, and people will lose interest in the league. Common theme? GL's.

/thread.
sorry... thread doesnt end because you say so. and saying comparing cheese to other cheese doesnt make sense doesnt work either. just because you prefer cheddar over swiss doesnt mean Walmart shouldnt sell both.

Unlimited Ammo/Explosives/Perks/Guns etc >>>>>>>>> 2 toobs. cant believe you are even trying to argue its not.

OMA is cheap. just own up to it.

[killacs]

Why are people calling OMA cheese?

OMA is only cheese if you use it for glitches that can be done with it.

OMA takes away your secondary, OMA takes 6 (3 on pro) seconds to switch the class.

If you can't figure out when the guy is OMAing from you probably deserved to die. 2 people can take the guy easy.

Most of the better players use perks that aren't OMA too. There are better options.

[Xx Shadow_Baller xX]

Seeing as how everyone wants to compare this to real life war....

Which do you think you would see in real war?


AD launching grenades all over the place trying to avoid being killed?
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/redoubtable1/Smilies/2a66ph3.gif

or

Resnor stealthly working his way around a warzone with a huge backpack on filled with weapons?

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m237/emybear3/Florence/ccf9.jpg

OMFG I f'n hate DSF with passion but I was dying from laughter when I read that post.

[Xx Shadow_Baller xX]

What the hell is an OMA???

[resnor]

One Man Army.

[resnor]

I wasn't the one who started the talk about banning the tube. I think the league would be better w/o it, however. I also said several times to leave it in...I'll make a cheesy, gay class to use if someone on the other team decides to pull out the noob tube.

Bottom line, it takes no skill to equip a tube with Danger Close and kill people. It still requires skill to kill people when using One Man Army.

[drunkenstarfish]

OMFG I f'n hate DSF with passion but I was dying from laughter when I read that post.

That cuts me deep Kippy. You just hurt my last feeling.

[resnor]

That cuts me deep Kippy. You just hurt my last feeling.

Don't worry...Kip is just mad that one of his siblings got "glue" on his "trophy.". Heard it on the mic the other night. LOL

[drunkenstarfish]

LMAO A trophy for what?
Most annoying person in the world?

[Xx Shadow_Baller xX]

LMAO A trophy for what?
Most annoying person in the world?

Swimming, actually. Do you own one for most immature person in the world? @$$hole.

[drunkenstarfish]

Your a swimmer? What kind of race do you do? I wish they would have had swimming when I was in school.

[Xx Shadow_Baller xX]

Your a swimmer? What kind of race do you do? I wish they would have had swimming when I was in school.

Used to swim.

[A Disciple]

I wasn't the one who started the talk about banning the tube. I think the league would be better w/o it, however. I also said several times to leave it in...I'll make a cheesy, gay class to use if someone on the other team decides to pull out the noob tube.

Bottom line, it takes no skill to equip a tube with Danger Close and kill people. It still requires skill to kill people when using One Man Army.
if you say so.

i dont see what unlimited ammo/grenades/semtex/claymores/C4, choice of guns and your choice of perks has to do with skill.

you say OMA isnt cheese, but i ask this... if you start off with hardline to get your kill streak... and then switch to danger close before you unleash your kill streak in order to get extra damage... how is that NOT exploiting the perk in a similar way to toobers?

you talk about "what it was designed for" like you work for Infinity Ward or something. so tell me, was it "designed" to exploit mulitiple perks for your advantage? and if so, then why is exploited unlimited ammo any worse?

[resnor]

if you say so.

i dont see what unlimited ammo/grenades/semtex/claymores/C4, choice of guns and your choice of perks has to do with skill.

you say OMA isnt cheese, but i ask this... if you start off with hardline to get your kill streak... and then switch to danger close before you unleash your kill streak in order to get extra damage... how is that NOT exploiting the perk in a similar way to toobers?

you talk about "what it was designed for" like you work for Infinity Ward or something. so tell me, was it "designed" to exploit mulitiple perks for your advantage? and if so, then why is exploited unlimited ammo any worse?

You talk like everyone I've ever heard tey to defend GL use since playing Socom 2. The dev argument...the trying to make something else cheesier...etc, etc. I'm done discussing it with you. With OMA, yes I can refresh my ammo...BUT I STILL HAVE TO SHOOT YOU. A GL WITH DC IS FAR MORE EXPLOITIVE. Does it have it's uses? Sure. Is it a gay way to get kills? Sure is. How, by the way, is using OMA to refresh ammo, an exploit? IT's what the perk does! It's not an exploit. Like someone else said, you also lose your secondary weapon.

Like I said: LEAVE IT IN. I'll make an explosive class to counter people who do it. All in all, I think you'd have a hard time convincing most people that using OMA is as cheap as DC + GL.

[levdgg]

You talk like everyone I've ever heard tey to defend GL use since playing Socom 2. The dev argument...the trying to make something else cheesier...etc, etc. I'm done discussing it with you. With OMA, yes I can refresh my ammo...BUT I STILL HAVE TO SHOOT YOU. A GL WITH DC IS FAR MORE EXPLOITIVE. Does it have it's uses? Sure. Is it a gay way to get kills? Sure is. How, by the way, is using OMA to refresh ammo, an exploit? IT's what the perk does! It's not an exploit. Like someone else said, you also lose your secondary weapon.

Like I said: LEAVE IT IN. I'll make an explosive class to counter people who do it. All in all, I think you'd have a hard time convincing most people that using OMA is as cheap as DC + GL.

I can't believe you guys are arguing this much over it. This is exactly why I said two days ago that whatever you guys decide on, just make sure there is no gray area, lest this league turn into a flame fest like every madden league.


Personally, the OMA setup does seem ridiculous in that you can switch back to the same class infinitely when there is already a scavenger perk. But it is what it is. Also, if you're gonna play hardcore at all, One Man Army just owns, since danger close isn't necessary for tubes and claymores to be a guaranteed kill. To Resnor's point, there's been like 4-5 patches by IW thus far and if they thought the perk was so broken and exploitative, I'd assume they would have changed it by now.

[JoeJGibbs]

We probably wont ban anything since we're playing with guys we know. We'll see how it goes.
I really hope the noob tube or grenade launchers won't be abused though. If so, we'll have to make some rules.

Same crap diff toilet. Just like quick passing. No rule. Just dont do it.

[A Disciple]

You talk like everyone I've ever heard tey to defend GL use since playing Socom 2. The dev argument...the trying to make something else cheesier...etc, etc. I'm done discussing it with you. With OMA, yes I can refresh my ammo...BUT I STILL HAVE TO SHOOT YOU. A GL WITH DC IS FAR MORE EXPLOITIVE. Does it have it's uses? Sure. Is it a gay way to get kills? Sure is. How, by the way, is using OMA to refresh ammo, an exploit? IT's what the perk does! It's not an exploit. Like someone else said, you also lose your secondary weapon.

Like I said: LEAVE IT IN. I'll make an explosive class to counter people who do it. All in all, I think you'd have a hard time convincing most people that using OMA is as cheap as DC + GL.
i never said that anything was "cheesier" than anything else. i know the toob is cheesy. i have been saying it for months. but i ALSO know that oma is cheesy. i just find it funny that you call the toob "gay" and "cheesy" but you wont admit that oma is.

and i cant help but LMFBO at "its not an exploit because thats what its supposed to do." ok, so blowing people up with a tube is not an exploit... thats what the weapon does. adding explosive power to the tube with Danger Close is not an exploit... because thats what the perk does. using OMA to replenish your tube is not an exploit... because thats what the perk does.

you just killed your whole entire own argument with that "thats what it does" statement.

We probably wont ban anything since we're playing with guys we know. We'll see how it goes.
I really hope the noob tube or grenade launchers won't be abused though. If so, we'll have to make some rules.

Same crap diff toilet. Just like quick passing. No rule. Just dont do it.
i am telling you now Gibbs... i am going to play within the rules set forth. if there are no rules against toobing, i WILL have a toobing class set up when we play.

either set it to a vote now, or unleash the hounds. it is my opinion that the toob is VERY cheap. but what makes it easy to exploit is One Man Army. in my opinion, Scavenger is not as bad because it makes sense to me to take ammo and such off of a dead enemy in war. plus, with scavenger you have to actually go out and run around the map to replenish. with OMA, i can camp up in a room to my hearts delight and just toob away.

so in my opinion, i think OMA is what needs to be looked at. but like i said, i will play with whatever rules are set by the league.

[levdgg]

i never said that anything was "cheesier" than anything else. i know the toob is cheesy. i have been saying it for months. but i ALSO know that oma is cheesy. i just find it funny that you call the toob "gay" and "cheesy" but you wont admit that oma is.

and i cant help but LMFBO at "its not an exploit because thats what its supposed to do." ok, so blowing people up with a tube is not an exploit... thats what the weapon does. adding explosive power to the tube with Danger Close is not an exploit... because thats what the perk does. using OMA to replenish your tube is not an exploit... because thats what the perk does.

you just killed your whole entire own argument with that "thats what it does" statement.

i am telling you now Gibbs... i am going to play within the rules set forth. if there are no rules against toobing, i WILL have a toobing class set up when we play.

either set it to a vote now, or unleash the hounds. it is my opinion that the toob is VERY cheap. but what makes it easy to exploit is One Man Army. in my opinion, Scavenger is not as bad because it makes sense to me to take ammo and such off of a dead enemy in war. plus, with scavenger you have to actually go out and run around the map to replenish. with OMA, i can camp up in a room to my hearts delight and just toob away.

so in my opinion, i think OMA is what needs to be looked at. but like i said, i will play with whatever rules are set by the league.

Yeah scavenger is a completely different animal IMO and a great perk. Outside of the few spots where you can go claymore camping, it does force you to move around the map to replenish and it is definitely practical.

[Xx Shadow_Baller xX]

We probably wont ban anything since we're playing with guys we know. We'll see how it goes.
I really hope the noob tube or grenade launchers won't be abused though. If so, we'll have to make some rules.

Same crap diff toilet. Just like quick passing. No rule. Just dont do it.

LOL. Gibbs just put resnor's and AD's agrument to wasted time.

[A Disciple]

Yeah scavenger is a completely different animal IMO and a great perk. Outside of the few spots where you can go claymore camping, it does force you to move around the map to replenish and it is definitely practical.
exactly. plus with Scav, you dont have unlimited Guns/Perks/Equipment/Etc. while just sitting in one spot.

to be able to use Hard Line to get your Kill Streaks early, and then switching to Danger Close to power up your early Kill Streaks is getting a 2 for 1 special. i just dont see how he can call the toob kraft but not see that oma is velveeta. lol

[resnor]

LOL. Gibbs just put resnor's and AD's agrument to wasted time.

No...he made my point. Read AD's response to it. LOL.


exactly. plus with Scav, you dont have unlimited Guns/Perks/Equipment/Etc. while just sitting in one spot.

to be able to use Hard Line to get your Kill Streaks early, and then switching to Danger Close to power up your early Kill Streaks is getting a 2 for 1 special. i just dont see how he can call the toob kraft but not see that oma is velveeta. lol

Yes, you can use the OMA in a cheesy way. What you just laid out with the Hardline ----> Danger Close class is ingenious. I'd never thought of doing that. Is that cheesy? Perhaps...but not as cheesy as this: have a class with OMA and Hardline Pro...running with a tube...then switch to your DC class for your killstreak. With OMA, you USUALLY, with the exception of claymores/c4/semtex/grenades, have to SHOOT people. Tell me...what is easier: shooting a dude who is running across the map somewhere in front of you with the gun of your choice, or lobbing a grenade down there with a GL to kill him? The GL gives you a much larger margin for error. Unlike with the guns that fire BULLETS, the GL allows you to not even hit the player to kill him. That is my problem with it. I don't care if you want to use GL's...just understand, my opinion of them is that they take very little skill to use...and that is the opinion of most people who play shooters. Like I said, I've been playing these sort of games since Socom 2, and GL's have ALWAYS been universally hated by the people playing the game. If you had ever played the Socom series, you would have seen people getting voted out of servers all the time for using the GL. You would have heard people b!tch out the GL users in the lobby constantly. People would create rooms with no GL's, cause most everyone hated them so much.

I guess what I'm saying is, I have a built up hatred for the noob tube. It goes back years and years. You may think that OMA is cheesy, or has cheesy uses, but it's not even remotely the same, IMO, as using launchers...and there's nothing you can say that would change my mind.

Whatever. I don't want to see this league turn into a Gamebattles style league, where anything that kills someone gets banned, so leave the stupid GL's in. Just understand, there's plenty of people who once they get tubed, are gonna go to their tube class, and start launching.

[A Disciple]

No...he made my point. Read AD's response to it. LOL.



Yes, you can use the OMA in a cheesy way. What you just laid out with the Hardline ----> Danger Close class is ingenious. I'd never thought of doing that. Is that cheesy? Perhaps...but not as cheesy as this: have a class with OMA and Hardline Pro...running with a tube...then switch to your DC class for your killstreak. With OMA, you USUALLY, with the exception of claymores/c4/semtex/grenades, have to SHOOT people. Tell me...what is easier: shooting a dude who is running across the map somewhere in front of you with the gun of your choice, or lobbing a grenade down there with a GL to kill him? The GL gives you a much larger margin for error. Unlike with the guns that fire BULLETS, the GL allows you to not even hit the player to kill him. That is my problem with it. I don't care if you want to use GL's...just understand, my opinion of them is that they take very little skill to use...and that is the opinion of most people who play shooters. Like I said, I've been playing these sort of games since Socom 2, and GL's have ALWAYS been universally hated by the people playing the game. If you had ever played the Socom series, you would have seen people getting voted out of servers all the time for using the GL. You would have heard people b!tch out the GL users in the lobby constantly. People would create rooms with no GL's, cause most everyone hated them so much.

I guess what I'm saying is, I have a built up hatred for the noob tube. It goes back years and years. You may think that OMA is cheesy, or has cheesy uses, but it's not even remotely the same, IMO, as using launchers...and there's nothing you can say that would change my mind.

Whatever. I don't want to see this league turn into a Gamebattles style league, where anything that kills someone gets banned, so leave the stupid GL's in. Just understand, there's plenty of people who once they get tubed, are gonna go to their tube class, and start launching.
i am not saying it is the exact same. i am not saying that i want to change your mind on the toob.

the only point i am trying to make is that there are A LOT of "cheap" (or "cheesy" or "gay" or "FB dive" whatever term you wanna use) tactics in this game. i just think its wrong to not be real with it and call it what it is.

is noob toob wayyyyyyyyyy too effective? heck yeah! i have been saying it FOREVERRRRRRRRR. but what makes it darn near unstoppable is OMA.

you are saying the toob can be abused. i agree.
i am saying that OMA can be abused. you dont agree.

here in lies the disagreement. OMA can be abused. i just need you to understand me on that. i have given SEVERAL good examples of how it can be abused, but you refuse to listen to reason.

[resnor]

i am not saying it is the exact same. i am not saying that i want to change your mind on the toob.

the only point i am trying to make is that there are A LOT of "cheap" (or "cheesy" or "gay" or "FB dive" whatever term you wanna use) tactics in this game. i just think its wrong to not be real with it and call it what it is.

is noob toob wayyyyyyyyyy too effective? heck yeah! i have been saying it FOREVERRRRRRRRR. but what makes it darn near unstoppable is OMA.

you are saying the toob can be abused. i agree.
i am saying that OMA can be abused. you dont agree.

here in lies the disagreement. OMA can be abused. i just need you to understand me on that. i have given SEVERAL good examples of how it can be abused, but you refuse to listen to reason.

What did I mean then, when I said this?

Yes, you can use the OMA in a cheesy way.

Frankly, my whole point is that OMA, without the tube, isn't really that big of a deal. You don't get killed by someone who shoots you in the head with an M16, and spaz out because they have OMA equipped. However, most people spaz out when some douche tubes them from across the map. That is my only point. OMA, WHEN COMBINED with the tube, is crazy cheesy. Some dude using OMA to refill his ammo, I could care less about. Also, I just prestiged, so I don't have OMA right now, and I'm not noticing one bit of difference in getting my killstreaks. I brought in two Harrier strikes on Karachi last night, and finally unlocked my Pavelow, which I brought in on Skidrow last night. So, what I'm saying is, OMA doesn't really change my play style, or my kill ability, at all.

[X Bones X]

when is this starting btw

[Xx Shadow_Baller xX]

when is this starting btw

Once we come up with a name for the forum.

[A Disciple]

What did I mean then, when I said this?


Frankly, my whole point is that OMA, without the tube, isn't really that big of a deal. You don't get killed by someone who shoots you in the head with an M16, and spaz out because they have OMA equipped. However, most people spaz out when some douche tubes them from across the map. That is my only point. OMA, WHEN COMBINED with the tube, is crazy cheesy. Some dude using OMA to refill his ammo, I could care less about. Also, I just prestiged, so I don't have OMA right now, and I'm not noticing one bit of difference in getting my killstreaks. I brought in two Harrier strikes on Karachi last night, and finally unlocked my Pavelow, which I brought in on Skidrow last night. So, what I'm saying is, OMA doesn't really change my play style, or my kill ability, at all.
lol, i dont "spaz out" when i get killed regardless of kill method. in the example i made the thread about... remove the toobing and its still pretty frickin cheesy.

and why is it "some douche" toobing? if you "spaz out" over a game... maybe you need to switch to decaf.

[btbindaclutch]

i think a rule should be that resnor and AD get put on different teams

then they can go at it :D

[levdgg]

i think a rule should be that resnor and AD get put on different teams

then they can go at it :D
Could be trouble.

You know how frustrated Resnor would get when he couldn't make his way into AD's room, with all those claymores, noob tubes, thermal snipers, akimbo P90's etc at his disposal?

You know how pissed AD would be when he misses a game because he was on here crafting a 1,000-word argument on behalf of danger close?

[resnor]

lol, i dont "spaz out" when i get killed regardless of kill method. in the example i made the thread about... remove the toobing and its still pretty frickin cheesy.

and why is it "some douche" toobing? if you "spaz out" over a game... maybe you need to switch to decaf.

You know exactly what I'm getting at, AD. Whether I say "spaz out" or just said people get pissy, I meant the same thing.

Oh, and it's "some douche" cause douches are the ones running with GL's and DC.

[drunkenstarfish]

Although it may work out for the other teams if they ARE paired up. The would be arguing the whole time on the mics and not pay attention to what was going on.

AD: Quit using that cheesy schit res!
Res: This is complete logical to switch my class they just called in a harrier.
AD: Cheater
Res: Shut up I just got killed!
AD: Me too...............cheater

[resnor]

Although it may work out for the other teams if they ARE paired up. The would be arguing the whole time on the mics and not pay attention to what was going on.

AD: Quit using that cheesy schit res!
Res: This is complete logical to switch my class they just called in a harrier.
AD: Cheater
Res: Shut up I just got killed!
AD: Me too...............cheater

I'd probably just mute him. I'd rather be on a different team...that way if he pulls out the tube, I can pull out mine on him (no homo).

[drunkenstarfish]

I'd probably just mute him. I'd rather be on a different team...that way if he pulls out the tube, I can pull out mine on him (no homo).

Yea I think I would edit this post and reword it before to many people read it. ;)

[resnor]

Yea I think I would edit this post and reword it before to many people read it. ;)

It says "no homo."

LOL

[drunkenstarfish]

It says "no homo."

LOL

Dude that is sig material right there. LOL

[A Disciple]

i think a rule should be that resnor and AD get put on different teams

then they can go at it :D
cool wit me. hell, make us captains. i get first pick though. im taking sour dies and we gonna OMA/DC/Ninja allllllllllllllllllllllllll day!!! lol.

Could be trouble.

You know how frustrated Resnor would get when he couldn't make his way into AD's room, with all those claymores, noob tubes, thermal snipers, akimbo P90's etc at his disposal?

You know how pissed AD would be when he misses a game because he was on here crafting a 1,000-word argument on behalf of danger close?
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hilarious post lev.

You know exactly what I'm getting at, AD. Whether I say "spaz out" or just said people get pissy, I meant the same thing.

Oh, and it's "some douche" cause douches are the ones running with GL's and DC.
get back to me when you can actually hold a grown p discussion without the personal attacks. ;)

Although it may work out for the other teams if they ARE paired up. The would be arguing the whole time on the mics and not pay attention to what was going on.

AD: Quit using that cheesy schit res!
Res: This is complete logical to switch my class they just called in a harrier.
AD: Cheater
Res: Shut up I just got killed!
AD: Me too...............cheater
lol, i wouldnt argue with him. he would be happy when i toob somebody and save his arse. and i would be happy when he shoots someone while im trying to reload my toob and he saves mine. ;)

I'd probably just mute him. I'd rather be on a different team...that way if he pulls out the tube, I can pull out mine on him (no homo).
this right here shows exactly why you wont get far. i could be teamed up with sideout, supdog and bill o'rielly and i still wouldnt mute them. the team and winning come before silly side squabbles.

Dude that is sig material right there. LOL
lol, too late. :)

[resnor]

cool wit me. hell, make us captains. i get first pick though. im taking sour dies and we gonna OMA/DC/Ninja allllllllllllllllllllllllll day!!! lol.

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phuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugin
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hilarious post lev.

get back to me when you can actually hold a grown p discussion without the personal attacks. ;)

lol, i wouldnt argue with him. he would be happy when i toob somebody and save his arse. and i would be happy when he shoots someone while im trying to reload my toob and he saves mine. ;)

this right here shows exactly why you wont get far. i could be teamed up with sideout, supdog and bill o'rielly and i still wouldnt mute them. the team and winning come before silly side squabbles.

lol, too late. :)

Dude...is this the first online shooter you've played? If so, I'll let this isht go. I've been playing online shooters for like ten years, and people have ALWAYS hated people who play the way you've described yourself playing in the two ongoing threads. It's not like I'm just going off on you. Therr are people o line who play like you, and most everyone hates them.

[JoeJGibbs]

i am telling you now Gibbs... i am going to play within the rules set forth. if there are no rules against toobing, i WILL have a toobing class set up when we play.

either set it to a vote now, or unleash the hounds. it is my opinion that the toob is VERY cheap. but what makes it easy to exploit is One Man Army. .

haha, well you already know how I feel about voting for things in leagues. Are you saying that if there is no rule against "the tuube" that we may see grenadaaas flying all over the screen from you?

[A Disciple]

Dude...is this the first online shooter you've played? If so, I'll let this isht go. I've been playing online shooters for like ten years, and people have ALWAYS hated people who play the way you've described yourself playing in the two ongoing threads. It's not like I'm just going off on you. Therr are people o line who play like you, and most everyone hates them.
no its not. and its cool you hate me. i'm used to being hated. ;)

haha, well you already know how I feel about voting for things in leagues. Are you saying that if there is no rule against "the tuube" that we may see grenadaaas flying all over the screen from you?
no... i'm not saying that you may... i am saying that you will. there was no ban on the red sea from D. Thomas right? ;)

i apologize that it may seem as though i'm being difficult, but i feel like its best that i be up front from the beginning and let you cats know, that i will be playing within the rules allowed. if OMA and the toob are in, i'm going to use it. think of this as my Clarence Moore.

seriously, ban OMA and toobing won't be a huge problem.

[JoeJGibbs]

no... i'm not saying that you may... i am saying that you will. there was no ban on the red sea from D. Thomas right? ;)

i apologize that it may seem as though i'm being difficult, but i feel like its best that i be up front from the beginning and let you cats know, that i will be playing within the rules allowed. if OMA and the toob are in, i'm going to use it. think of this as my Clarence Moore.

seriously, ban OMA and toobing won't be a huge problem.

hahahah everyone always refers back to Donterrorist. haha At least your honest.
We'll have a decision before we start and roll from there.

[resnor]

I don't see how banning OMA but leaving in Scavenger makes tubes not a problem. Both allow you to refill your ammo, thus allowing youbto be a problem with tubes. It seems to me that the easiest is to just do what Lev suggested: no OMA or Scavenger with a GL.

[levdgg]

I don't see how banning OMA but leaving in Scavenger makes tubes not a problem. Both allow you to refill your ammo, thus allowing youbto be a problem with tubes. It seems to me that the easiest is to just do what Lev suggested: no OMA or Scavenger with a GL.

Yeah Lev is dead on. But I didn't suggest scavenger and tubes with no Danger close be banned. Danger close + unlimited noob tubes (or potentially unlimited) seemed to be the issue of contention. If someone puts a tube on a Scar or an M4 with no danger close, I don't think they should be restricted fomr using scavenger on weapons with such a small clip.

For the record, I'm always in the camp of play however you want to play. Good players are good players and bad players will be bad. BUt it seems a no brainer that whatever's decided upon should be easy since everyone will be on the same playing field.

[killacs]

Yeah Lev is dead on. But I didn't suggest scavenger and tubes with no Danger close be banned. Danger close + unlimited noob tubes (or potentially unlimited) seemed to be the issue of contention. If someone puts a tube on a Scar or an M4 with no danger close, I don't think they should be restricted fomr using scavenger on weapons with such a small clip.

For the record, I'm always in the camp of play however you want to play. Good players are good players and bad players will be bad. BUt it seems a no brainer that whatever's decided upon should be easy since everyone will be on the same playing field.

I'm with you play how you're gonna play. I can get my 2:1 with or without the tube.

[LA BEASTIE]

If you don't ban tubes I will immediately start using them. I would feel at a disadvantage against someone who doesn't actually have to hit me to kill me. I haven't used the tube in weeks but if we are going to allow them then let me know so I can practice before the league kicks off.

[rjmcc01]

If you don't ban tubes I will immediately start using them. I would feel at a disadvantage against someone who doesn't actually have to him me to kill me. I haven't used the tube in weeks but if we are going to allow them then let me know so I can practice before the league kicks off.

Ditto. Noob toob, Danger Close and scavenger. All day...can't beat em...join up.

[JoeJGibbs]

Out of

Danger Close
One Man Army
Scavenger
Noob Tubes

In my eyes Danger Close & One Man Army seem to be the components that has the greatest effect on the game.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but with scavenger, you actually have to walk over someone's dead body that has some of the weapons you're using correct? You can't just walk over to a dead body and it automatically refills your inventory right? Everything in this game is a check and balance of something else. OMA, seems to not have that balance.

Danger close is just dumb to me. Increase the blast power? Why wouldn't you already have the most lethal blast power anyway? Why jack up explosions that are already deadly. If they were going to do that, instead of dying from a tripping a (non danger close)claymore, you should just get punched in the back of the head or a banana cream pie to the face.

[rjmcc01]

Out of

Danger Close
One Man Army
Scavenger
Noob Tubes

In my eyes Danger Close & One Man Army seem to be the components that has the greatest effect on the game.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but with scavenger, you actually have to walk over someone's dead body that has some of the weapons you're using correct? You can't just walk over to a dead body and it automatically refills your inventory right? Everything in this game is a check and balance of something else. OMA, seems to not have that balance.

Danger close is just dumb to me. Increase the blast power? Why wouldn't you already have the most lethal blast power anyway? Why jack up explosions that are already deadly. If they were going to do that, instead of dying from a tripping a (non danger close)claymore, you should just get punched in the back of the head or a banana cream pie to the face.


I don't think that Scavenger/danger close need to be banned...they really only have a big effect if Noob toobs are there.

OMA isn't too bad if NT's are gone too...I think that just banning the NT's is all the league needs.

[resnor]

Out of

Danger Close
One Man Army
Scavenger
Noob Tubes

In my eyes Danger Close & One Man Army seem to be the components that has the greatest effect on the game.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but with scavenger, you actually have to walk over someone's dead body that has some of the weapons you're using correct? You can't just walk over to a dead body and it automatically refills your inventory right? Everything in this game is a check and balance of something else. OMA, seems to not have that balance.

Danger close is just dumb to me. Increase the blast power? Why wouldn't you already have the most lethal blast power anyway? Why jack up explosions that are already deadly. If they were going to do that, instead of dying from a tripping a (non danger close)claymore, you should just get punched in the back of the head or a banana cream pie to the face.

This incorrect. Scavenger refills whatever you have, regardless of what the dead enemy had, or so it seems when I use it. Also, OMA takes away your secondary weapon, so no backup shotties, launchers, or whatever.

I agree with rj.

[dgeneryte]

If you're going to ban something, then ban the problem. The problem everyone has is Noob Tubes. OMA and Scavenger on it's own can be utilized efficiently for bullets etc. Don't ban the perks ban the item that people use with the perks to gain an advantage of unloading nades throughout a map and not having to fire one bullet. (I know resnor or miracle was with me one night playing teams in Afghan, using a noob tube as soon as we started I launched one across the map at the other teams spawn over the cliffs and mountains and poof double kill first blood.) I'm with RJ in that NT should be what's taken away not the perks.

[JoeJGibbs]

This incorrect. Scavenger refills whatever you have, regardless of what the dead enemy had, or so it seems when I use it. Also, OMA takes away your secondary weapon, so no backup shotties, launchers, or whatever.

I agree with rj.

Thanks for the info. Didnt know that.

[A Disciple]

hahahah everyone always refers back to Donterrorist. haha At least your honest.
We'll have a decision before we start and roll from there.
:p

I don't see how banning OMA but leaving in Scavenger makes tubes not a problem. Both allow you to refill your ammo, thus allowing youbto be a problem with tubes. It seems to me that the easiest is to just do what Lev suggested: no OMA or Scavenger with a GL.
the diference, in my opinion, is that with OMA you can completely refill all of your stuff and even switch to new stuff while just sitting back and hiding. with scav, you have to actually go out to where the dead body is and move around. and scav only gives you one toob refill vs OMA giving you the full two. plus, scav will only give you what you had, you cant switch to new stuff.

Out of

Danger Close
One Man Army
Scavenger
Noob Tubes

In my eyes Danger Close & One Man Army seem to be the components that has the greatest effect on the game.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but with scavenger, you actually have to walk over someone's dead body that has some of the weapons you're using correct? You can't just walk over to a dead body and it automatically refills your inventory right? Everything in this game is a check and balance of something else. OMA, seems to not have that balance.

Danger close is just dumb to me. Increase the blast power? Why wouldn't you already have the most lethal blast power anyway? Why jack up explosions that are already deadly. If they were going to do that, instead of dying from a tripping a (non danger close)claymore, you should just get punched in the back of the head or a banana cream pie to the face.
as Res pointed out, it doesnt matter what the dead body has on it, it will refill what you have.

i'll roll with whatever rules are set in place. doesnt matter much to me. i just think that OMA is what really makes the toob crazy, lol.

[levdgg]

:p

the diference, in my opinion, is that with OMA you can completely refill all of your stuff and even switch to new stuff while just sitting back and hiding. with scav, you have to actually go out to where the dead body is and move around. and scav only gives you one toob refill vs OMA giving you the full two. plus, scav will only give you what you had, you cant switch to new stuff.

as Res pointed out, it doesnt matter what the dead body has on it, it will refill what you have.

i'll roll with whatever rules are set in place. doesnt matter much to me. i just think that OMA is what really makes the toob crazy, lol.

Happy birthday noob tube argument. You turned one week old today.

[X Bones X]

:p

the diference, in my opinion, is that with OMA you can completely refill all of your stuff and even switch to new stuff while just sitting back and hiding. with scav, you have to actually go out to where the dead body is and move around. and scav only gives you one toob refill vs OMA giving you the full two. plus, scav will only give you what you had, you cant switch to new stuff.

as Res pointed out, it doesnt matter what the dead body has on it, it will refill what you have.

i'll roll with whatever rules are set in place. doesnt matter much to me. i just think that OMA is what really makes the toob crazy, lol.

I don't think this is true. I occasionally got a 1 toob refill off a dead enemy. Most times i got none.

[A Disciple]

I don't think this is true. I occasionally got a 1 toob refill off a dead enemy. Most times i got none.
replenishing off a dead body with scav gets you one, replenishing using OMA gets you 2.

[Xx Shadow_Baller xX]

replenishing off a dead body with scav gets you one, replenishing using OMA gets you 2.

OMA is lame....... If you wanted to replenish your NTs use scav. faster.

[Xx Shadow_Baller xX]

I don't think this is true. I occasionally got a 1 toob refill off a dead enemy. Most times i got none.

Strafe over the body...