L.A. is nothing w/o Gasol

[BK Arsonist]

they'd be down by 30 if Gasol wasn't carrying the team with Odom and Artest helping out big time.

[ThaSpecialist]

seriously. remember LAL between 2005-07?

4 playoff wins says it all.

[BK Arsonist]

seriously. remember LAL between 2005-07?

4 playoff wins says it all.

lol... you know i was lookin' for ya

2005-07, Kobe was all alone ;)

how many titles would Jordan have bagged w/o Pippen? Everyone needs a sidekick

[ThaSpecialist]

lol... you know i was lookin' for ya

2005-07, Kobe was all alone ;)

how many titles would Jordan have bagged w/o Pippen? Everyone needs a sidekick

2006-07 Odom was in the hizzy, especially in the playoffs vs the Suns (19-11-4 on 50%)

do I need to post up a list of ballers who've led their teams out of the 1st Rd without a legit BIG?

[HustleManDave]

2006-07 Odom was in the hizzy, especially in the playoffs vs the Suns (19-11-4 on 50%)

do I need to post up a list of ballers who've led their teams out of the 1st Rd without a legit BIG?

Remember the goal is to win titles, not just get out of the 1st round.

[MelloDrama]

They'd be nothing without Kobe either. They both make who the Lakers are, take either one of them away and their not making the finals.

[ThaSpecialist]

Remember the goal is to win titles, not just get out of the 1st round.

which makes it all the more embarrassing that you couldn't even get your squad out the 1st Rd, let alone sniff a title.

[ThaSpecialist]

btw, good thing klank took over tonight.

7 of 9 in the 1st Q
6 of 15 throughout the final three.

let me give dude credit for doing something other than bricking shots when his team needed him the most, though.

9 rebs and 11 dimes.

[resnor]

btw, good thing klank took over tonight.

7 of 9 in the 1st Q
6 of 15 throughout the final three.

let me give dude credit for doing something other than bricking shots when his team needed him the most, though.

9 rebs and 11 dimes.

Are you being sarcastic here? The dude shoots over 50%, dumps in 30, has 11 assists and 9 boards and he didn't do enough for you? The alakers lost bcause they played horrible defense last night...and Amare going off for 40 didn't help at all...

[jerseyjay14]

Are you being sarcastic here? The dude shoots over 50%, dumps in 30, has 11 assists and 9 boards and he didn't do enough for you? The alakers lost bcause they played horrible defense last night...and Amare going off for 40 didn't help at all...

if a certain other NBA star dropped 30/11/9 and his team lost im sure we'd here about how his FG% the last 3 quarters wasnt as good :rolleyes:

[djKianoosh]

without Gasol and others, Kobe was just a glorified Allen Iverson (and I love me some AI). There were a couple years there a few years back when Kobe was taking a ton of shots and only scoring a point per shot. That's when I was like, damn, Kobe looks a lot like AI did. Cause that's trademark AI. Shoot 30 attempts, and score 30 points. One man can't do it by himself. Granted, it takes a special player to be able to play with a player as good as Gasol and make him better. So Kobe is great, dont get me wrong. But of course it's a team game. And that's the big difference between a guy like AI and a great player like Kobe. AI had some chances with other great players, but Kobe was able to make it work and win. When Kobe is great is when he's taking 15-20 shots and scoring 30-40-50 points. It's the efficiency. Always has been, always will be. And without Gasol and others (especially a guy like Fisher, damn bastard), he cant be as efficient. ok ok, end rant. (guess i'm still salty about 2001...)

[Play Action]

I'm glad he is part of the TEAM.

[Xx Shadow_Baller xX]

They'd be nothing without Kobe either.

Just like the Cavs will be without LBJ.

[rhythmatic]

The Lakers would still be a 50 win squad if you replaced Kobe with an average 2-guard. That being said, they're not gonna win in the playoffs without him. He's put up 28 points a game on 47% shooting, with 4.5 rebounds and 6 assists in this years playoffs.. he's still sick.

[Play Action]

The Lakers would still be a 50 win squad if you replaced Kobe with an average 2-guard. That being said, they're not gonna win in the playoffs without him. He's put up 28 points a game on 47% shooting, with 4.5 rebounds and 6 assists in this years playoffs.. he's still sick.
I disagree. I would say 30 games. He makes that triangle lethal. I have been watching 5 guys collapse on Kobe for years. Do you know what that does for the rest of the team?

Pull up some old Bull tapes with Jordan and look at the bums get their burn because of his presence. It no different with Kobe. The triangle help guys in a lot of ways.

[BK Arsonist]

Remember the goal is to win titles, not just get out of the 1st round.

Thank You Hustleman!!!!!!!!

[ThaSpecialist]

The Lakers would still be a 40 win squad if you replaced Pau with an average forward. That being said, they're not gonna win in the playoffs without him.

slightly edit'd ......

this is exactly what happened between 2005-07.

lol, your original statement is pure speculation.

but historically a great big man has taken a team further, made a bigger impact, and way more often, than a guard with no real stand-out attributes other than jacking up a boatload of shots. check the rap sheets on once-studs like T-Mac, Air Canada, Agent Zero, or old Ray Allen for more proof.

[GiantNFC7]

without Gasol and others, Kobe was just a glorified Allen Iverson (and I love me some AI). There were a couple years there a few years back when Kobe was taking a ton of shots and only scoring a point per shot. That's when I was like, damn, Kobe looks a lot like AI did. Cause that's trademark AI. Shoot 30 attempts, and score 30 points. One man can't do it by himself. Granted, it takes a special player to be able to play with a player as good as Gasol and make him better. So Kobe is great, dont get me wrong. But of course it's a team game. And that's the big difference between a guy like AI and a great player like Kobe. AI had some chances with other great players, but Kobe was able to make it work and win. When Kobe is great is when he's taking 15-20 shots and scoring 30-40-50 points. It's the efficiency. Always has been, always will be. And without Gasol and others (especially a guy like Fisher, damn bastard), he cant be as efficient. ok ok, end rant. (guess i'm still salty about 2001...)

Great analysis dj, however Iverson has won BULLCRAP while Kobe is polishing all his hardware. You cannot compare the two. Man, you are centric to your loyalties!

[djKianoosh]

Great analysis dj, however Iverson has won BULLCRAP while Kobe is polishing all his hardware. You cannot compare the two. Man, you are centric to your loyalties!

hahaha.. i admit AI pales in comparison to Kobe because he hasn't won jack. But for a time when Kobe didn't have much help he looked very similar to how AI looked pretty much all of his career. And for all his faults, AI _almost_ did it his way that one year. And it was SHAQ at his most dominant ever peak of his glory that stopped that sixer team from winning it. Fisher and Horry and Kobe were nice in their supporting roles. But check those stats that Shaq put up in that series. Mutombo and the rest of the bigs tried with all they could, but Shaq was THE unstoppable force of all time that year. I think that Sixer team is one of the best runner-ups ever, even if they only beat LA once that series (that was LA's only loss throughout all the playoffs). but anyway, i digress..

Kobe >>> AI yes. But Kobe looked pretty much like AI when he was without Gasol and Fisher for a couple years...

[BK Arsonist]

A.I. is one of my 5 favorite players ever, but mentioning him in the same sentence as Kobe is kind of crazy IMO.

[ThaSpecialist]

A.I. is one of my 5 favorite players ever, but mentioning him in the same sentence as Kobe is kind of crazy IMO.

they have a lot in common:

- both have scoring titles
- both have MVPs
- both black with tattoos
- both assaulted women
- both thrown up a ridiculous amount of shots
- both amongst Top 25 scorers of All Time
- both TOP 5 WORST SHOOTERS (on Top 25 scorers listing) of All Time
- both couldn't do jack without elite scoring BIGs

.... but wait, AI did guide a **** team to the nba finals, which is better than never winning a playoff series with one! LOL

[X Bones X]

they have a lot in common:

- both have scoring titles
- both have MVPs
- both black with tattoos
- both assaulted women
- both thrown up a ridiculous amount of shots
- both amongst Top 25 scorers of All Time
- both TOP 5 WORST SHOOTERS (on Top 25 scorers listing) of All Time
- both couldn't do jack without elite scoring BIGs

.... but wait, AI did guide a **** team to the nba finals, which is better than never winning a playoff series with one! LOL

Dude, please update your sig. I loved reading the Klank stuff...but it is old now. Im being 100% serious.

[resnor]

I like how the argument has switched from Kobe being a terrible shooter, to him havimg one of the worst shooting percentages of the top 25 Scorers of All Time. So, now, to continue calling him trash, you call him the worst of the top 25. LOL. Awesome.

[Gtrght77]

I like how the argument has switched from Kobe being a terrible shooter, to him havimg one of the worst shooting percentages of the top 25 Scorers of All Time. So, now, to continue calling him trash, you call him the worst of the top 25. LOL. Awesome.

No matter what you call him, he is still top 10 (maybe 5) best ever when all is said and done.

[ThaSpecialist]

I like how the argument has switched from Kobe being a terrible shooter, to him havimg one of the worst shooting percentages of the top 25 Scorers of All Time. So, now, to continue calling him trash, you call him the worst of the top 25. LOL. Awesome.

Res, how slow are you?

he continues to be called a "great player" and yet he ranks amongst the worst shooters of those who've jacked up enough shots to be in the Top 25 All Time Scorers.

ever heard of Elvin Hayes or John Havlicek? Allen Iverson?

this is the company that he's in:

- scored a lot of points at a very poor rate
- dudes who couldn't win **** because they didn't play with enough talent
- dudes who did win because they played with an insane amount (Havlicek)

either way, you don't hear any of the above labeled as "great" or make it into the same sentence as MJ, Bird, Magic, Kareem. :rolleyes:

klank is one of the worst volume shooters, compared to the game's greats, of all time.

and when you take into consideration that he's shot this ****ty in the midst of the "no hand check era" it's absolutely LAUGHABLE.

[resnor]

No. I get it. He's the worst of the greatest of all time. To hear you talk, he worst of all time. He's absolute trash. But, in reality, to make your argument plausible, you've switched it to "he's the worst of the top 25 all time players."

You don't get yourself.

[ThaSpecialist]

No. I get it. He's the worst of the greatest of all time. To hear you talk, he worst of all time. He's absolute trash. But, in reality, to make your argument plausible, you've switched it to "he's the worst of the top 25 all time players."

You don't get yourself.

Top 25 players? now I get it! because dude scores, he's automatically a Top 25 player!

it's Top 25 all time scorers, dip****. not top 25 players all time.

which is the point. scoring really doesn't mean **** when you do it at an abysmal rate. ask Allen Iverson.

[ThaSpecialist]

Dude, please update your sig. I loved reading the Klank stuff...but it is old now. Im being 100% serious.

how's the sig now? :D

I'll probably have to re-arrange it to make it smaller (fit 'em all side by side) but it should keep a few klank homers up at night crying for a while like the previous sig.

[GiantNFC7]

Your Kobe hatred has reached a comical level. You sure like hearing yourself speak don't you?

[btbindaclutch]

how's the sig now? :D

I'll probably have to re-arrange it to make it smaller (fit 'em all side by side) but it should keep a few klank homers up at night crying for a while like the previous sig.

according to 82games the lakers went 4-5 without kobe...so unless theyre wrong it should look like this:
2009-10 w/kobe: 53-20 (72.6%)
2009-10 w/o kobe: 4-5 (44.4%)
28.2% difference

2009-10 w/gasol: 42-18 (70%)
2009-10 w/o gasol: 15-7 (68.2%)
1.8% difference

i realize the first year they got gasol is the complete opposite of the 09-10 gasol stat but oh well

edit: also you forgot the 4 in iversons fg% ;)

[ThaSpecialist]

according to 82games the lakers went 4-5 without kobe...so unless theyre wrong it should look like this:
2009-10 w/kobe: 53-20 (72.6%)
2009-10 w/o kobe: 4-5 (44.4%)
28.2% difference

2009-10 w/gasol: 42-18 (70%)
2009-10 w/o gasol: 15-7 (68.2%)
1.8% difference

i realize the first year they got gasol is the complete opposite of the 09-10 gasol stat but oh well

edit: also you forgot the 4 in iversons fg% ;)

according to nba.com's klank profile (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kobe_bryant/season_splits.html) he started 51 games that they won and he started 22 games that they lost. Which means they went 6-3 (57-25 overall on the year) without him.

and yes, I forgot the 4. not bad for a hasty 10 min job tho. I'll add more when I feel like it, since there's still plenty of more dirt. lol

it seems this dude throws up an ungodly amount of bricks regardless of the circumstances.

finals, all time, in the clutch, on the olympic team, throughout the playoffs. you name it, klank shoots like **** compared to his peers.

[ThaSpecialist]

Your Kobe hatred has reached a comical level. You sure like hearing yourself speak don't you?

you mad because your hero's over-rated? ;)

[GiantNFC7]

you mad because your hero's over-rated? ;)

The last basketball hero I had was P. Ewing. I'm just calling out how irrational your arguments are. At least your getting the Laker fans riled up, but your act isn't really fooling anyone.

PS-F the Lakers

[ThaSpecialist]

The last basketball hero I had was P. Ewing. I'm just calling out how irrational your arguments are. At least your getting the Laker fans riled up, but your act isn't really fooling anyone.

PS-F the Lakers

act?

check my sig.

the clown is over-rated. that's my point.

[GiantNFC7]

act?

check my sig.

the clown is over-rated. that's my point.

I can't believe you used stats from the 2008 Olympics to convey the point that somehow Kobe Bryant sucks. Your an e-clown.

[jerseyjay14]

kobe sucking for the second straight night

[ThaSpecialist]

I can't believe you used stats from the 2008 Olympics to convey the point that somehow Kobe Bryant sucks. Your an e-clown.

lol, that was a special treat.

can't remember who, but someone said something about Wade/LBJ getting a gold medal because of klank.

where as in fact, klank was probably the worst player on the team vs international competition.

I'm sure whoever said it will read it eventually.

[Thong Sniffa]

Kobe had a +/- of -4 tonight. Gasol +10. thought i'd throw that out there for specialist to run with it....

[Gtrght77]

Kobe top 5 all time, will end his career with the most points ever in the playoffs and regular season.

Specialist can make a 1000 sigs trying to downplay him but it changes nothing other then allowing him to sleep better at night.

Without Kobe the US doesn't win the gold and they proved that with the outcome of the previous games.

Kobe still the best in the league and he is showing why in these playoffs.

[ThaSpecialist]

Kobe top 5 all time, will end his career with the most points ever in the playoffs and regular season.

Specialist can make a 1000 sigs trying to downplay him but it changes nothing other then allowing him to sleep better at night.

Without Kobe the US doesn't win the gold and they proved that with the outcome of the previous games.

Kobe still the best in the league and he is showing why in these playoffs.

alright, alright, off the podium, and take your heart/#24 purple thong with ya.

back to reality folks. ;)

over-rated and media-made.

[Gtrght77]

alright, alright, off the podium, and take your heart/#24 purple thong with ya.

back to reality folks. ;)

over-rated and media-made.

We are not talking about Bron.

LOL at all those worthless stats.

[btbindaclutch]

according to nba.com's klank profile (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kobe_bryant/season_splits.html) he started 51 games that they won and he started 22 games that they lost. Which means they went 6-3 (57-25 overall on the year) without him.

and yes, I forgot the 4. not bad for a hasty 10 min job tho. I'll add more when I feel like it, since there's still plenty of more dirt. lol

it seems this dude throws up an ungodly amount of bricks regardless of the circumstances.

finals, all time, in the clutch, on the olympic team, throughout the playoffs. you name it, klank shoots like **** compared to his peers.

bah they lied to me :(...oh well still a cool site

anyways in 09-10
w/o kobe = lakers win % drops 3.2%
w/o gasol = lakers win % drops 1.8%

yet kobe is holding them down and gasol is holding them up

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[Play Action]

Your Kobe hatred has reached a comical level. You sure like hearing yourself speak don't you?

His arguments/ viewpoints are interesting, but crazy.

One thing for sure, he is original as they come. LOL.

Go Lakers.

[X Bones X]

according to nba.com's klank profile (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kobe_bryant/season_splits.html) he started 51 games that they won and he started 22 games that they lost. Which means they went 6-3 (57-25 overall on the year) without him.

and yes, I forgot the 4. not bad for a hasty 10 min job tho. I'll add more when I feel like it, since there's still plenty of more dirt. lol

it seems this dude throws up an ungodly amount of bricks regardless of the circumstances.

finals, all time, in the clutch, on the olympic team, throughout the playoffs. you name it, klank shoots like **** compared to his peers.


Nice sig. thanks for the change-up

[ReDsOxFaN911]

Kobe top 5 all time, will end his career with the most points ever in the playoffs and regular season.

Specialist can make a 1000 sigs trying to downplay him but it changes nothing other then allowing him to sleep better at night.

Without Kobe the US doesn't win the gold and they proved that with the outcome of the previous games.

Kobe still the best in the league and he is showing why in these playoffs.

Why don't you actually display an argument instead of solely making conclusions based on Kobe's media reputation?

All you do is come out and say, "it's well known Kobe's the best", "Kobe's the best in the NBA period", "Kobe has four rings". Kobe has a good night? "He's showing why he's the best." He goes 3-17 and I make a thread about it? Nobody responds.

The contradictory part about all of this is when Kobe gets called out on a bad game, we're foolish and cherry picking. But when he has a good shooting night, you fools brag like there's no tomorrow. Make up your mind. :rolleyes:

[jerseyjay14]

Why don't you actually display an argument instead of solely making conclusions based on Kobe's media reputation?

All you do is come out and say, "it's well known Kobe's the best", "Kobe's the best in the NBA period", "Kobe has four rings". Kobe has a good night? "He's showing why he's the best." He goes 3-17 and I make a thread about it? Nobody responds.

The contradictory part about all of this is when Kobe gets called out on a bad game, we're foolish and cherry picking. But when he has a good shooting night, you fools brag like there's no tomorrow. Make up your mind. :rolleyes:

who is bragging, only thing going on is people shaking there head that kobe could have back to back 30 point 10 assits 10 rebound nights, and STILL get bashed and not be given an ounce of credit.

[ThaSpecialist]

bah they lied to me :(...oh well still a cool site

anyways in 09-10
w/o kobe = lakers win % drops 3.2%
w/o gasol = lakers win % drops 1.8%

yet kobe is holding them down and gasol is holding them up

Gasol has made all the difference, as much as the rest of the Lakers. You know, those guys that never get credit like Bynum and Odom?

seriously, why do you think the Lakers continue to win without Gasol? Likely because Andrew Bynum and Odom can step up. Let's take a look. In Games they played with Gasol, here's what their numbers looked like:

Bynum: 27 mpg, 13.6 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 1.3 bpg
Odom: 30.1 mpg, 10.8 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 2.6 apg

now check this out: Gasol out of the line-up .......

Bynum: 39.1 mpg, 19.8 ppg, 11.8 rpg, 1.8 bpg
Odom: 37.1 mpg, 10.8 ppg, 11.1 rpg, 5.6 apg

Bynum transforms into the 20-11 BIG (we kind of all know he is, and would be anyway) getting almost 2 blocks per game, and Odom a double-double player averaging almost 6 dimes per. The APG for Odom is a big deal. it means he's back to touching the ball regularly, which means good things will happen for LAL. As for Bynum, he seems to fill in for Gasol just fine. not because Gasol is replacable, but because Bynum is actually a very good BIG in this L.

But it all actually gets better. What do you think happened with the Lakers when klank was out with injuries? With klank in the line-up, these players numbers looked like this:

Gasol: 17.8 ppg, 11.1 rpg
Odom: 10.5 ppg, 9.4 rpg

but conveniently enough when klank took a seat for 9 games .........

Gasol: 21.4 ppg, 12.8 rpg
Odom: 13 ppg, 13.1 rpg

with this it should be noted, Bynum missed half the game's klank did (April games) and Odom actually averaged 15-15 through the 4-1 stretch in January. Pau flat out dominated, going off for 25 n 10+ at least 6 times.

So the theory is that when Gasol/Bynum were out or whatever, klank carried the team (according to your %) right? Let's take a look. With Bynum and Gasol on the floor this year, klank's numbers looked like this:

w/help: 28.1 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 5.7 apg, shooting .461

now with Bynum/Gasol out, and the Lakers still winning, klank probably took over right? not even close. it was more like:

w/o help: 24.9 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 3.8 apg, shooting .447

So while Gasol misses time, klank's performance slips, as Odom/Bynum step up. And when klank misses time, others clearly step up.


Why don't you actually display an argument instead of solely making conclusions based on Kobe's media reputation?

All you do is come out and say, "it's well known Kobe's the best", "Kobe's the best in the NBA period", "Kobe has four rings". Kobe has a good night? "He's showing why he's the best." He goes 3-17 and I make a thread about it? Nobody responds.

The contradictory part about all of this is when Kobe gets called out on a bad game, we're foolish and cherry picking. But when he has a good shooting night, you fools brag like there's no tomorrow. Make up your mind. :rolleyes:

lol, in another thread a bunch of klank-fans are ragging on me for making the time/effort to create my sig.

I wonder what they think about bloggers and others who talk about sports regularly? :rolleyes:

It likely depends on if they're upset at the blogger, or not, for educating their stupid @sses.

[ThaSpecialist]

who is bragging, only thing going on is people shaking there head that kobe could have back to back 30 point 10 assits 10 rebound nights, and STILL get bashed and not be given an ounce of credit.

lol, re-read the thread. I've said he's played well in this series a few times.

why is it that you refuse to acknowledge anything positive that I actually say about the guy?

I'm sorry but I don't have 2 adam's apples over this dude like a few other fanboys. :rolleyes:

[resnor]

When Kobe is out, OF COURSE oher guys numbers will go up. Kobe is a large part of the offense. So, without him, other guys are going to get more shots, and thus, more points and touches. It's not like Gasol was taking the Grizzlies to the playoffs. A big needs a guard, and a guard needs a big. Did Kobe NEED Gasol? No...but he needed a big that was better than Turiaf, and whoever the other garbage guy was they had between Shaq and Gasol.

[Gtrght77]

Why don't you actually display an argument instead of solely making conclusions based on Kobe's media reputation?

All you do is come out and say, "it's well known Kobe's the best", "Kobe's the best in the NBA period", "Kobe has four rings". Kobe has a good night? "He's showing why he's the best." He goes 3-17 and I make a thread about it? Nobody responds.

The contradictory part about all of this is when Kobe gets called out on a bad game, we're foolish and cherry picking. But when he has a good shooting night, you fools brag like there's no tomorrow. Make up your mind. :rolleyes:

What argument would you like to me to use? He has 4 rings and will probably end his career with the most playoff points and regular season points ever. Is that not enough to make an argument for him? He could retire today and be considered one of the top ten to play the game, and he probably still has another four good years in him and a few years as a good complimentary player.

Those three things alone wipe out any argument that uses FG % as a way to define what kind of player he is. Bad or good nights do not define a career. So when he does have a bad shooting night that doesn't make him any less great.

[btbindaclutch]

the story of kobes 09-10 season has been his injuries, mainly the broken right index finger he suffer december 11th and has been playing with ever since..lets look at the numbers

kobe before breaking finger:
28.8 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 4.1 apg, 49.3% fg

kobe after breaking finger:
26.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 5.3 apg, 44.2% fg

kobe was shooting at a great 49.3% before he was forced to shoot with a broken right index finger...personally i think 44.2% with a broken index finger on his shooting hand is pretty darn good

anyways back to the lakers w/o gasol/kobe thing...gasol missed two blocks of games, one before kobes finger break and one after

kobe w/o gasol before finger break:
31 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 3 apg, 8-3 record

kobe w/o gasol after finger break:
20.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 3.8 apg, 3-3 record

kobe had no problem increasing his scoring to make up for gasols loss, but after he broke his finger he couldnt carry the load

[HustleManDave]

When Kobe is out, OF COURSE oher guys numbers will go up. Kobe is a large part of the offense. So, without him, other guys are going to get more shots, and thus, more points and touches. It's not like Gasol was taking the Grizzlies to the playoffs. A big needs a guard, and a guard needs a big. Did Kobe NEED Gasol? No...but he needed a big that was better than Turiaf, and whoever the other garbage guy was they had between Shaq and Gasol.

It was this guy....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxCcC8oHjWc

[ThaSpecialist]

When Kobe is out, OF COURSE oher guys numbers will go up. Kobe is a large part of the offense. So, without him, other guys are going to get more shots, and thus, more points and touches.

lol, this doesn't explain why the dude fell apart when Bynum and Gasol couldn't suit up.


What argument would you like to me to use? He has 4 rings and will probably end his career with the most playoff points and regular season points ever. Is that not enough to make an argument for him? He could retire today and be considered one of the top ten to play the game, and he probably still has another four good years in him and a few years as a good complimentary player.

Those three things alone wipe out any argument that uses FG % as a way to define what kind of player he is. Bad or good nights do not define a career. So when he does have a bad shooting night that doesn't make him any less great.

1) rings are a team accomplishment, for the 1,000th time

2) your man is 13,000 points away from Kareem, and will take the all time lead in BRICKS long before he touches Jordan at #3 or #4. this past season he didn't even touch 2,000 points.

3) and he's had more bad nights than probably any nba player in the history of the game, with several more years to come. which is the point. dude has been in the Top 5 in shots thrown up for the past decade, and has 2 scoring titles. this is his story--just keep shooting!


the story of kobes 09-10 season has been his injuries, mainly the broken right index finger he suffer december 11th and has been playing with ever since..lets look at the numbers

kobe before breaking finger:
28.8 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 4.1 apg, 49.3% fg

kobe after breaking finger:
26.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 5.3 apg, 44.2% fg

kobe was shooting at a great 49.3% before he was forced to shoot with a broken right index finger...personally i think 44.2% with a broken index finger on his shooting hand is pretty darn good

anyways back to the lakers w/o gasol/kobe thing...gasol missed two blocks of games, one before kobes finger break and one after

kobe w/o gasol before finger break:
31 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 3 apg, 8-3 record

kobe w/o gasol after finger break:
20.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 3.8 apg, 3-3 record

kobe had no problem increasing his scoring to make up for gasols loss, but after he broke his finger he couldnt carry the load

my dude, I actually don't care to hear the finger excuse, because the guy has had some phenomenal nights--which means it obviously isn't effecting him much. the guy dumped in 48% of his shots in March and averaged 26-5-6.

the bigger controversy is how in the hell does his play fall off when his BIG men aren't in the game?

between Feb 8th and April 14th klank played in 11 games without Bynum. he had some nights that looked like this:

10/17 with 24 pts
10/18 with 31 pts
12/21 with 28 pts

and then this:

8/23 for 20 pts
8/24 for 22 pts
5/23 for 25 pts

which is all pretty much the norm, broken finger or not.

[resnor]

It was this guy....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxCcC8oHjWc

AhahahhahahahAaa!!! Kwame Brown, indeed. Kobe had HORRIFIC bigs. Are either one of them still in the league?

[resnor]

Dude...Specialist...you can cherry pick games all you want...but Kobe shot .456 for the regular season. That is not bad...not horrible...it's actually pretty damn good. Not to mention, he shot almost 47% on the road, slightly better than he shot at home. You're constantly looking at stats to define Kobe...but you throw stats out when it comes to other players that you support.

[jerseyjay14]

lol, re-read the thread. I've said he's played well in this series a few times.

why is it that you refuse to acknowledge anything positive that I actually say about the guy?

I'm sorry but I don't have 2 adam's apples over this dude like a few other fanboys. :rolleyes:

saying he sucks for 4 straight paragraphs followed by 1 backhanded compliment doesnt change things. you refuse to give kobe his due...

[Gtrght77]

Without Kobe nobody is even talking about Gasol these days.

[BK Arsonist]

dude, what is the purpose of that sig? lol

[ThaSpecialist]

Dude...Specialist...you can cherry pick games all you want...but Kobe shot .456 for the regular season. That is not bad...not horrible...it's actually pretty damn good. Not to mention, he shot almost 47% on the road, slightly better than he shot at home. You're constantly looking at stats to define Kobe...but you throw stats out when it comes to other players that you support.

son, on what planet is 45% "pretty damn good" when you've got guys leading the L in scoring and doing it at 50-55%?

45% is AVERAGE in a league where nobody plays Defense. Do you understand this?

a 45% effort in today's game would be a 40% effort prior to 2000. do you understand this?


saying he sucks for 4 straight paragraphs followed by 1 backhanded compliment doesnt change things. you refuse to give kobe his due...

are you familiar with the term "aberration" ?

were you blowing loads when Michael Vick threw 4 TDs vs the Cowboys in 2006?

[ThaSpecialist]

dude, what is the purpose of that sig? lol

please show me another "great Top 10 all time player" who has thrown the ball in the hoop so poorly, so often.

thanks!

[BK Arsonist]

son, on what planet is 45% "pretty damn good" when you've got guys leading the L in scoring and doing it at 50-55%?

45% is AVERAGE in a league where nobody plays Defense. Do you understand this?

a 45% effort in today's game would be a 40% effort prior to 2000. do you understand this?


are you familiar with the term "aberration" ?

were you blowing loads when Michael Vick threw 4 TDs vs the Cowboys in 2006?

Kobe led the league in FG attempts and still managed to finish 8th in the league amongst SG's

[BK Arsonist]

please show me another "great Top 10 all time player" who has thrown the ball in the hoop so poorly, so often.

thanks!

you do realize that everyone in the top 10 on that scoring list plays a froncourt position?

[ThaSpecialist]

Kobe led the league in FG attempts and still managed to finish 8th in the league amongst SG's

hook me up with a link.

because if it's the yahoo leaderboards, for some odd reason it doesn't include Jason Richardson, Brandon Roy, Dwayne Wade, which is silly.

[ThaSpecialist]

you do realize that everyone in the top 10 on that scoring list plays a froncourt position?

I also realize that there are about 6-7 guards ahead of him and guys like Mullin, Hornacek, Dumars, Price, Stockton, Kevin Johnson, who scored quite a bit and shot effectively.

do you?

[BK Arsonist]

I also realize that there are about 6-7 guards ahead of him and guys like Mullin, Hornacek, Dumars, Price, Stockton, Kevin Johnson, who scored quite a bit and shot effectively.

do you?

Kobe is like 12th on the all-time scoring list. those guys aren't in the top 30...lol

what did Stockton average over his career, like 12 - 13 points? c'mon



Shooting Guards FG% (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/fieldGoalPct/seasontype/2/position/shooting-guards)

[ThaSpecialist]

Kobe is like 12th on the all-time scoring list. those guys aren't in the top 30...lol

what did Stockton average over his career, like 12 - 13 points? c'mon



Shooting Guards FG% (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/fieldGoalPct/seasontype/2/position/shooting-guards)

lol, at 52% on the career do you really think he'd be down to a horrendous 45% with another 6,000 points?

the guy played forever and threw up plenty of shots. it's not like he scored 13 ppg for 5 years.

Edit: furthermore, I actually expect better from one of the greatest of all time. lol he's just 8th? and not even Top 15 in any of the other categories? this is the JOKE I'm talking about.

[resnor]

Dude, you threw out a guy with 46% shooting in the other thread as an example of a guy being better...then you turn around and say Kobe shooting 45% is "horrendous..." What a joke.

[ThaSpecialist]

Dude, you threw out a guy with 46% shooting in the other thread as an example of a guy being better...then you turn around and say Kobe shooting 45% is "horrendous..." What a joke.

lol @ how simple this is to comprehend

Dumars 46% FG, 40% 3 pt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> klank 45% FG, 34% 3 pt

I'm sure you figured this out on your own, but you wanted to make another "blind stab of desperation" as a fanboy.

hilarious. I'm struck.

[BK Arsonist]

lol, at 52% on the career do you really think he'd be down to a horrendous 45% with another 6,000 points?

the guy played forever and threw up plenty of shots. it's not like he scored 13 ppg for 5 years.

Edit: furthermore, I actually expect better from one of the greatest of all time. lol he's just 8th? and not even Top 15 in any of the other categories? this is the JOKE I'm talking about.

your hate for Kobe is craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazeeeeeeeeee....lol

forget that his peers seem to think he's one of the best ever. The Specialist says otherwise ;)

[ThaSpecialist]

Jip, my dude.

I went through the SG leaders for the past 10 years. klank was Top 5 all of once.

LBJ has been Top 1-6 since 2005. lol

[resnor]

lol @ how simple this is to comprehend

Dumars 46% FG, 40% 3 pt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> klank 45% FG, 34% 3 pt

I'm sure you figured this out on your own, but you wanted to make another "blind stab of desperation" as a fanboy.

hilarious. I'm struck.

Actually...according to the numbers you posted, Dumars shot 38% from three...which is 4% better than Kobe. The numbers are similar all around.

[BK Arsonist]

Jip, my dude.

I went through the SG leaders for the past 10 years. klank was Top 5 all of once.

LBJ has been Top 1-6 since 2005. lol



Again, the guys that ball with and against Kobe disagree with you my dude...

I honestly wish Kobe would go down for about 40 - 50 games, so we all could watch that team struggle. W/O Kobe, they wouldn't make the playoffs...lol

Oh yeah, LBJ is a forward, right? Anyway, with the game on the line, who do you want taking the last shot LBJ or Kobe?

[btbindaclutch]

my dude, I actually don't care to hear the finger excuse, because the guy has had some phenomenal nights--which means it obviously isn't effecting him much. the guy dumped in 48% of his shots in March and averaged 26-5-6.

due to the injury he didnt drive that much because he didnt want to jam the finger on an outstretched defender, and sticked to outside shots...hence why he averaged 2.9 3 pointers before the injury and 4.6 after

that being said im not sure why he thought taking outside shots with a broken finger would help the team lol


the bigger controversy is how in the hell does his play fall off when his BIG men aren't in the game?

because teams can double team/focus even more on him, knowing theres no real threat in the paint

[ThaSpecialist]

Actually...according to the numbers you posted, Dumars shot 38% from three...which is 4% better than Kobe. The numbers are similar all around.

my bad dude. there've been a lot of numbers. lol

eitherway over the course of 10+ year careers 4% is a heap of a difference.


Again, the guys that ball with and against Kobe disagree with you my dude...

I honestly wish Kobe would go down for about 40 - 50 games, so we all could watch that team struggle. W/O Kobe, they wouldn't make the playoffs...lol

Oh yeah, LBJ is a forward, right? Anyway, with the game on the line, who do you want taking the last shot LBJ or Kobe?

and the dudes Michael Vick used to ball with swore he was the greatest ever, y'know? but I'm pretty sure you and several other klank fans felt different, so PEER theories mean about nada.

w/o klank Pau Gasol went on a 25-10 tear this year.
w/o Gasol klank's numbers dove from 28 ppg on 48% to 24 ppg on 44%
w/o Gasol Bynum became a 20-12-2 BIG for 10+ games.

there are probably 3 or 4 guys I'd take over klank with the game on the line, starting with VC, LBJ and Melo.

I realize klank has thrown up 80-something game-winning attempts but I'm not blind to the fact that he's probably missed more shots, and lost more games than VC, LBJ and Melo combined.

and yeah, LBJ is a forward. who was still Top 5 amongst the SG rankings. lol dude probably out-shot most of those guys from 3, but it's no real disrespect to them. LBJ is just sick.


due to the injury he didnt drive that much because he didnt want to jam the finger on an outstretched defender, and sticked to outside shots...hence why he averaged 2.9 3 pointers before the injury and 4.6 after

that being said im not sure why he thought taking outside shots with a broken finger would help the team lol



because teams can double team/focus even more on him, knowing theres no real threat in the paint

he was throwing up shots because the finger injury didn't have that big of an effect on him.

as for his play falling off and him getting doubled, there were only 2 games where both Bynum and Gasol were out. he had one or the other underneath posing as a 20-10 force for about 25 games, so the paint was far from empty.

[MonoxideChild]

You guys ever see that movie "The Fan"?

[btbindaclutch]

there are probably 3 or 4 guys I'd take over klank with the game on the line, starting with VC, LBJ and Melo.

dont disagree with the last two, but damn VC just missed 2 free throws with a playoff game on the line


and yeah, LBJ is a forward. who was still Top 5 amongst the SG rankings. lol dude probably out-shot most of those guys from 3, but it's no real disrespect to them. LBJ is just sick.

agreed


he was throwing up shots because the finger injury didn't have that big of an effect on him.

as for his play falling off and him getting doubled, there were only 2 games where both Bynum and Gasol were out. he had one or the other underneath posing as a 20-10 force for about 25 games, so the paint was far from empty.

it did have an effect...he wont admit it, but the injury really hampered the touch on his shots

ah i thought you meant when both of them were out