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BuckeyesTHEGAME
01-24-2005, 10:58 PM
FIX

THE

PLAYBOOKS

Now I'm not talking about the formations. Oh no, the formations (on both sides of the ball) are fantastic.

(I would still like to see a formation editor, but I guess mascot games, "College Classics," and create-a-sign are more important than decent plays. However, seeing as how EA caters to a group of fans who giggle like children because they get to play as a team of "Horned Frogs" with fans who hold up signs that says "OMG!! UR GAY!! LOL!!!" I guess I shouldn't be surprised.)

(Note: I created signs too. Mine say: "Why does every team run the same offense?" "Why doesn't EA fix the playbooks?" and "Why are the people at EA so adament about pissing off the hardcore football fans?")

Anyway, as I mentioned, the formations are fine, but the plays themselves look like something I drew in the dirt when I was seven. Ok, maybe they're not that bad, but will someone please tell EA that all teams do not run the exact same offenses? No matter who you're playing, they have several option plays in their playbook.

USC? Option.

Hawaii? Option.

Air Force? Ok, they actually run the option. Point EA.

Anyway, basically every single formation has two or three option plays in it, but why? Was it always this way? In one word or less... Nope.

In NCAA 2004, there were two variations of certain formations (most notably the "I"). You had one style of "I" that featured mostly option plays, but you had another "I" featuring more of a power running attack with a bit of WCO mixed in. This year, the "I" is the "I," regardless of which team you use. Not only that, but every formation is pretty much the same when it comes to running plays. VANILLA.

Here are your choices in the "I": dive, dive to the other side (which is pretty damned stupid considering we can flip the play at the line), counter (which doesn't work because the line doesn't block correctly), zone (which doesn't work because the line doesn't block correctly - is there an echo in here - and because the back lines up too close to the LOS), toss (which sporadically works, but only when the receivers block the corner - which is rare), sweep (same as toss), full back blast, and oh... the option.

Ok, ok, ok... what happened to the off tackle plays? Seriously, where are they? I desire, nay, DEMAND an explaination. Where the hell did they go? Who is the braniac that actually said the words: "I think we should take the off tackle plays out of the playbooks"?

Whoever he is, someone needs to find him, tie him up, and bring him to my house so I can hit him in the head with my Woody Hayes bobble-head doll, err...action figure. I mean, really, the off tackle play is a staple of college football. It's Jim Tressel's "money play." It is the bread and butter of many college running games yet it's nowhere to be found in NCAA 2005.

Aside from the lack of the off tackle, each playbook has the same plays that I previously mentioned. Basically you're running the same plays from a different position. What is this, junior high football? There is no creativity whatsoever and that means regardless of what team you use, you're using the same playbook over and over again. This does two things:

1. It ensures that every game feels similar.
2. It decreases the chance that I will still be playing this game in April (which I was doing with '03 and '04).

But enough about offense, let's move to the defensive side of the ball.

First off, I love the additions of the 3-3-5 and 4-2-5. However, the rest of the formations are e-x-a-c-t-l-y the same as they've been for years. Where are the defensive line stunts? Where are the combo coverages? Where is the freaking creaivity!?

In my opinion, the playbooks are the worst they've ever been, especially considering how different Madden's are. Not only that, but you can even create plays! Holy cow, it IS possible!!!

I guess I'll just have to live with creating signs and running dive play after dive play until someone at EA gets with the program.

Air Raid
01-25-2005, 11:40 AM
FIX

THE

PLAYBOOKS

Now I'm not talking about the formations. Oh no, the formations (on both sides of the ball) are fantastic.

(I would still like to see a formation editor, but I guess mascot games, "College Classics," and create-a-sign are more important than decent plays. However, seeing as how EA caters to a group of fans who giggle like children because they get to play as a team of "Horned Frogs" with fans who hold up signs that says "OMG!! UR GAY!! LOL!!!" I guess I shouldn't be surprised.)



..You got it Buck!.....This is the biggest problem in my opinion....if EA spent less time on Mascot games, Create a Sign and the like and spent more time on the actual gameplay, my guess is we wouldn't even have a "Wishlist" thread going right now....give me a formation editor, give me a play editor, give me realistic blocking schemes and defensive schemes, cut out the long ball cheese, let me complete a flair pass every once in a while and give me defensive backs who are not phsycic, but can recognize the long ball and D up against it and I will be happy.....and maybe add a little depth to Dynasty..some other games (like ESPN College Hoops 2K5) have really taken it to the next level with thier dynasty/legacy modes and I think NCAA Football needs to catch up.....

Bronco
01-25-2005, 12:07 PM
..You got it Buck!.....This is the biggest problem in my opinion....if EA spent less time on Mascot games, Create a Sign and the like and spent more time on the actual gameplay, my guess is we wouldn't even have a "Wishlist" thread going right now....give me a formation editor, give me a play editor, give me realistic blocking schemes and defensive schemes, cut out the long ball cheese, let me complete a flair pass every once in a while and give me defensive backs who are not phsycic, but can recognize the long ball and D up against it and I will be happy.....and maybe add a little depth to Dynasty..some other games (like ESPN College Hoops 2K5) have really taken it to the next level with thier dynasty/legacy modes and I think NCAA Football needs to catch up.....
Amen to everything you said...

sparkyosu
01-25-2005, 12:27 PM
if you could do all the wonderful defensive audibles like in nfl2k5 u would be seeing lees of the money plays work and lob passes cause u couild specifically assign double coverage or ailly stupid blitz packages. defense needs some help with tatics, dont just give them super human legs and pschycic powers.

Farmer
01-25-2005, 10:18 PM
and maybe add a little depth to Dynasty..some other games (like ESPN College Hoops 2K5) have really taken it to the next level with thier dynasty/legacy modes and I think NCAA Football needs to catch up.....


At the rate EA is snapping up the rights to this and that, they figure we'll just be happy being able to play with [ insert your favorite team here ] and use their official gear and the likes, we'll just settle for what ever little tweaks they throw our way.

If EA would make use of Sony's HDD, then alot of our concerns would be addressed, as they would have the neccessary space to add all of these things and more. More animations, more plays, formation editors, and patches for stupid glitches and the like.


Just my .02


-Farmer

Air Raid
01-26-2005, 11:22 AM
At the rate EA is snapping up the rights to this and that, they figure we'll just be happy being able to play with [ insert your favorite team here ] and use their official gear and the likes, we'll just settle for what ever little tweaks they throw our way.

If EA would make use of Sony's HDD, then alot of our concerns would be addressed, as they would have the neccessary space to add all of these things and more. More animations, more plays, formation editors, and patches for stupid glitches and the like.


Just my .02


-Farmer

yeah..I agree. I listed the things I wish would happen, but if I had to bet, I would guess that we will get NCAA 05' with some new bells and whistles and maybe a tweak here or there in the gameplay for NCAA 06'...but I don't see anything that will make it Earth shattering....at the very least they could get rid of the garbage no one uses like Mascot Games and gives us a play editor...but even that won't happen :mad: ...

kbell97
01-26-2005, 04:53 PM
The DE on Madden is uncomparable to NCAA. There is just so much you can do with Madden. Whey can't NCAA have individual PM, I love the man/zone combos on Madden, something you don't see with NCAA.

djwill13
01-26-2005, 05:15 PM
i don't think we can stress this enough, GET RID OF MASCOT GAMES!!!!! what's the purpose? i mean who uses them??? i've played one game with them since they started putting them in (i was curious ok), but that space could be used for something else. online custom playbooks (not plays), a true play creator, more plays to choose from, something

i think the hdd was more of a gimmick that didn't work (notice how the new ps2's wont even let you hook one up to it). so i doubt ncaa or madden will use any of its features. glad i got mine free!!!

i wish they include the new dline stunts that madden has this year. i know ncaa tried to differenciate itself from madden, but i really like this feature on madden.

whatever they do, please tone down the bomb passes. i hate playing someone that bombs all game long (especially with a fast qb), they are almost unstopable. again, if they used the same engine from 04, this wouldn't be so bad.

oh and one final note,tone down HFA. it's a great idea and really fun, but it's unrealistic. my backs not being able to hear me?? me not being able to flip a run play out of a symmetrical formation??? please, i've seen peyton manning go to each linemen and back to tell them the play.

Farmer
01-26-2005, 09:40 PM
oh and one final note,tone down HFA. it's a great idea and really fun, but it's unrealistic. my backs not being able to hear me?? me not being able to flip a run play out of a symmetrical formation??? please, i've seen peyton manning go to each linemen and back to tell them the play.


Exactly!!!!!

When the noise becomes too loud, the QB will go to hand signals for the wide outs, and will go to the linemen and shout the play, as well as turning around to tell the backs what's going on. The better QB's who are more composed should have little problem in doing this, but for those guys who like to put in that speedy back up who dosen't have a good composure rating should have a hard time doing this, and maybe even unintentionally cross up his guys because he's so nervous.

Like it's been said before, HFA is a cool feature; but I think it's down right stupid that the offense can't audible but the defense on the other side of the ball in the same stadium can audible with ease. I mean shouldn't the defense have a hard time hearing as well??

Honestly, if Tiburon ( the people who make the game ) took maddens player models and animations; they would be leaps and bounds ahead of this years game in my opinion.

But here's what I would like to see:

1. Fix O-Line blocking AI
2. Add D-Line stunts
3. Fix or do away with HFA
4. Better offensive and defensive plays
5. Ability to use custom ( not created ) playbooks online
6. Better/More animations
7. Eliminate Mascot games
8. Make use of the HDD
9. Fix O-Line blocking AI


And all that stuff Buck Eyes said in his posts. :D



-Farmer

djwill13
01-27-2005, 12:57 PM
again, EA PLEASE GET RID OF MASCOT GAMES!!!!!!!

BuckeyesTHEGAME
01-27-2005, 06:39 PM
They'll never get rid of those stupid things...

lioninexile
02-03-2005, 01:16 PM
2. Add D-Line stunts


I was just thinking about this last night when trying to stop the run. Why no stunts?

djp4516
02-03-2005, 04:06 PM
lol on create a signs, I have a few comical ones.

"I ****ed your mother Herbstreit"

"Corsos sister likes it rough"

kbell97
02-03-2005, 04:18 PM
I think they keep the mascot games on out of spite, we have been saying to get rid of them for how long, and I am sure this forum isn't the only one complaining about them