Make vick's speed, agility, and accel ratings realistic!!!!

[Arnie71488]

Dude if this game where real life: speed-99 accel-99 agility-96

[wolverinejay]

Vick has sick abilities already, giving a QB more speed would make it way to easy to score.

[StreetPack]

Dude if this game where real life: speed-99 accel-99 agility-96

ok I have tried not to reply to this but it is destroying me, that is the dumbest post I have ever seen, vick is fast but that is overrated and I am a vick fan

[Arnie71488]

ok I have tried not to reply to this but it is destroying me, that is the dumbest post I have ever seen, vick is fast but that is overrated and I am a vick fan

I was reading an issue of Sports Illstrated and there was a players poll, actually they have a players poll in every issue, so anways this players poll was asking around 200-250 NFL players who was the fastest player in the NFL, Randy Moss was a runaway with like 60% of all votes, Vick was second however with about 15% of the votes. So whatcha gotta say about that, i think the NFL players would know if any people would, who is the fastest.

[Cowboys_Fever]

Dude if this game where real life: speed-99 accel-99 agility-96

Why in the hell would you want to make Vick faster? like WTF? K 1st of all, he ain't a 99/99/96, WHOA. And on another note, I think Vick ruins the football game, How Bill Parcells would say " Qb's are for throwing, Running backs are for running, and Wr's are catching" thats how Football should be, I like Vick in real life and all, he is fun to watch, but really, I know I'm not the only one here, like you see Vick just run around your D with the speed. Vick attracts the goons, I swear at least 50%+ of the users who pick Atl, are not affiliated with Atl at all, they just want an Advantage going into a game, and thats what I mean when I say Vick ruins Madden. And then I try to run with a normal speed Qb, that does allright in runing in real life, and when I run with that Qb in madden, its like watching my Grandma Jog. If anything the Qb's other then like Vick, Mcnabb, speed is underrated, like the lineman are faster then most of the Qb's.... So why, WHY would you want to make Vick Faster? That’s just stupid of you to say that....

[Arnie71488]

b/c he deserves it b/c he's really that fast, these stats should be the most realistic possible dude, not what's fair! I also think that Warrick DUnn is not fast enough, i watched him against STL in the playoffs and he had like a 80 yard td run, and i remember watching him, and even at 5'9 he covered each 5 yard increment in like 2 strides!!!!

[B Mash Owns]

Good call Cowboy!
Vick is fast enough, but most of the other quarterbacks are waaaaaaaa a a a a a a a a a a a ay too slow! Fix that BS because a DL rarely beats a Qb to the corner or hawks them that fast.

[realhawker]

I was reading an issue of Sports Illstrated and there was a players poll, actually they have a players poll in every issue, so anways this players poll was asking around 200-250 NFL players who was the fastest player in the NFL, Randy Moss was a runaway with like 60% of all votes, Vick was second however with about 15% of the votes. So whatcha gotta say about that, i think the NFL players would know if any people would, who is the fastest.

I'm sorry but the players are athletic, but they arent that savvy. Freddy mitchell doesnt even know whos hes going up against in the super bowl, what an idiot. Moss was fast, now he just rests on his laurels.

[The Greek]

Dude if this game where real life: speed-99 accel-99 agility-96

If they do that they should make his accuracy a 2. He is way overratted in Madden as it is. If real life the guy has serius trouble reading defenses and at times can't throw the ball into the ocean from the beach. He is fast but if you want to be true to life he will have to take a huge hit in the accuracy department.

[Cowboys_Fever]

I'm sorry but the players are athletic, but they arent that savvy. Freddy mitchell doesnt even know whos hes going up against in the super bowl, what an idiot. Moss was fast, now he just rests on his laurels.

Freddy mitchell, said that as a joke, meaning thier not that good, so he doesn't know them. Like c'mon, who in the NFL wouldn't know Harrison?

[StreetPack]

so people take things too literally and that guy is obviosly a ATL fan boy, Vick is fast enough... why not bump up the other grandma's that are a lot faster in real life? Vick is overrated in the game in terms of his accuracy but a 2? cmon its not so much his accuracy as it is his problem reading dfences

[VgQue19st]

so people take things too literally and that guy is obviosly a ATL fan boy, Vick is fast enough... why not bump up the other grandma's that are a lot faster in real life? Vick is overrated in the game in terms of his accuracy but a 2? cmon its not so much his accuracy as it is his problem reading dfences


Yeah I agree. I think he might be a little under McNabbs accuracy rating. But speed, yeah they should bump him back up some, or bump the linemen that is supposed to be slow down. They should not be hawking a QB before they get to the sideline.

[GoSkins80]

i just want to say that although cowboy has made good points... I HATE YOU!! COWBOYS FAN!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: GROSS!

[Cowboys_Fever]

i just want to say that although cowboy has made good points... I HATE YOU!! COWBOYS FAN!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: GROSS!

lol, a skins fan, well you can eat S***, lol, j/k, but ya, Cowboys for life. J.Jones is gonna make the nfl in the years to come.

[Cowboys_Fever]

b/c he deserves it b/c he's really that fast, these stats should be the most realistic possible dude, not what's fair! I also think that Warrick DUnn is not fast enough, i watched him against STL in the playoffs and he had like a 80 yard td run, and i remember watching him, and even at 5'9 he covered each 5 yard increment in like 2 strides!!!!

So I guess the Qb's that get beat to the side lines by lineman is fair? I'm just saying, compair Vick's speed as you would in real life, vick is the fastest Qb in the nfl, but he doesn't run 50times faster then the rest of the Qb's, even the Qb's that do all right in real life at running, Like manning can do all right in real life, like on the goal line and stuff, but you watch him in madden, I swear its like slow motion compaired to Vick, so Wut.

[allend]

You know I try to read these post with an open mind, but som of you guys are just rediculous. Whats with all of the Vick hating? Vik cant pass. Vick cant pass! Thats all you guys say. The real question is Who does he have to pass to? Can you name a quarterback who does more with less? All Vick has is a tight end. His wide receivers dont get open and they dont make plays. The guy took his team to the NFC championship with no weaons. Can you name a quarterback that could have done more with the Falcon's. Where's the criticism of Manning? Where's the criticism of Favre? These guys have weapons and they flopped in the playoffs. Open your minds and recognize the mans talents. I want to see what will happen when this guy gets some real receivers.

[bigtruck1]

vick ran what, a 4.4 40?

[Cowboys_Fever]

You know I try to read these post with an open mind, but som of you guys are just rediculous. Whats with all of the Vick hating? Vik cant pass. Vick cant pass! Thats all you guys say. The real question is Who does he have to pass to? Can you name a quarterback who does more with less? All Vick has is a tight end. His wide receivers dont get open and they dont make plays. The guy took his team to the NFC championship with no weaons. Can you name a quarterback that could have done more with the Falcon's. Where's the criticism of Manning? Where's the criticism of Favre? These guys have weapons and they flopped in the playoffs. Open your minds and recognize the mans talents. I want to see what will happen when this guy gets some real receivers.

lol, no weapons, Atl has one of fastest Defence's iin the game, and are you saying (Peerless Price, Dez White, Brian Finneran, Warrick Dunn) ain't weapons? lol, Atl has one of the best D-lines in the nfl. Vick does have bad accuracy, what was his pass % at the starting of the year, like 52% that blows, for a QB that need a Spy every play, which means less coverage defenders covering WR's and TE's, and only had a 52%, c'mon, if Vick didn't have speed he wouldn’t be in the nfl, he wouldn't even be in an Arena league. His O-line is great, under rated in madden tho. Don’t try and tell me, vick brought them to the Play-offs. Atl was only ranked 17 in total Offence. Vick is not god. Lets look at each years pass %

2001 = 44.2%
2002 = 54.9%
2003 = 50%
2004 = 56.4%

Average of = 51.3

And that with less coverage then most QB's have, do you think Teams care about Qb containing Manning or Farve or Brady???, no they rather cover there WR's and TE's, and they still will get in the high 60's. You take vick's speed away, and hes nothing. Cause if he has no speed, then more coverage, more coverage = more pic's and tips, Imagine what his rating and pass % wil be then!!!!. And you prolly just thinking I'm stating my theory that vick can't pass by his stats, no, I watch there games on satilite, he always makes bad throws.

[Cowboys_Fever]

vick ran what, a 4.4 40?


dude we have at least 4 Midget players ( 17-18-19 ) in Ontario that can run the 40 in 4.3-4.4. Its nothing special.

[bigtruck1]

i was just saying why his speed is as high as it is

[allend]

O.K. Help me to understand. If Vick is so terrible why did his team have a pitifull season last year without him and go to the NFC Championshp with him? His style is different. His stats will always be ugly. The thing that counts is you see a guy go in there and give it 100% every game. Are you going to tell me that if you put Manning in Atlanta they would have made it to the NFC Championship? He couldn't get to the Championship with his own team. Accept the man's talent. Losers without him, winners with him. You can argue stats all you want but the facts are what they are. The way I see it Manning must be more overrated than Vick because Vick took an inferior team alot further than Manning did. Unless you want to say that Price, Jenkins, and White are comparable to Harrison, Stokley, and Wayne. Oh yea and Dunn is the next James too, huh? I dont like to talk bad about one to build another up, but I would just like to hear a little bit more credit than criticism for Vick. He does the most with the least. NFC Championship with him, First round draft picks without him.

[MadDog5145]

Vick and company beat the Rams to get the NFC championship. Manning and company lost to the Patriots. If you can't see the difference, then you are incapable of rational thinking.

I will assure that Manning and the Falcons would have a better chance in beating the Rams than Vick and the Colts beating the Patriots....

[maddenbowl62]

O.K. Help me to understand. If Vick is so terrible why did his team have a pitifull season last year without him and go to the NFC Championshp with him? His style is different. His stats will always be ugly. The thing that counts is you see a guy go in there and give it 100% every game. Are you going to tell me that if you put Manning in Atlanta they would have made it to the NFC Championship? He couldn't get to the Championship with his own team. Accept the man's talent. Losers without him, winners with him. You can argue stats all you want but the facts are what they are. The way I see it Manning must be more overrated than Vick because Vick took an inferior team alot further than Manning did. Unless you want to say that Price, Jenkins, and White are comparable to Harrison, Stokley, and Wayne. Oh yea and Dunn is the next James too, huh? I dont like to talk bad about one to build another up, but I would just like to hear a little bit more credit than criticism for Vick. He does the most with the least. NFC Championship with him, First round draft picks without him.

the reason his team is better this year is because his defense improved a lot. last year his defense was 32nd in the nfl. manning would have won the nfc championship if he was with the falcons. he would have had a field day with the eagles defense. the last time he played the eagles on the road he had a perfect qb rating with guys like qadry ismael and james mungro. the nfc was horrible this year.

[barry sanders]

O.K. Help me to understand. If Vick is so terrible why did his team have a pitifull season last year without him and go to the NFC Championshp with him? His style is different. His stats will always be ugly. The thing that counts is you see a guy go in there and give it 100% every game. Are you going to tell me that if you put Manning in Atlanta they would have made it to the NFC Championship? He couldn't get to the Championship with his own team. Accept the man's talent. Losers without him, winners with him. You can argue stats all you want but the facts are what they are. The way I see it Manning must be more overrated than Vick because Vick took an inferior team alot further than Manning did. Unless you want to say that Price, Jenkins, and White are comparable to Harrison, Stokley, and Wayne. Oh yea and Dunn is the next James too, huh? I dont like to talk bad about one to build another up, but I would just like to hear a little bit more credit than criticism for Vick. He does the most with the least. NFC Championship with him, First round draft picks without him.



i know people arent comparing vick to manning, thats one of the most unrealistic things iv ever heard...manning threads the needle, vick throws it to the defense...manning throws 40 TDs vick throws 40 INT (yeh exageration)...manning throws for 4000 yards...put manning in the NFC, HAHAA HE WOULD SHRED THE NFC'S WEAK DEFENSES....PUT VICK IN THE AFC, AND WE SEE HOW MUCH HE RUNS AROUND...Dude vick is an explosive player, makes big plays but dont ever, EVER, EVER compare him to peyton manning...MANNING "RUNS" THE OFFENSE...vick can only RUN the offense...MANNING PICKS THE PLAYS, THE OC PICKS THE PLAY FOR VICK THEN VICK RUNS AROUND...

i have no idea what your thinking, but seriously, dont compare vick to manning...yeh vick can run around (thats a add on), but a QB doesnt need to run around for 100 yards every game, thats why they have running backs...How many times you seen vick thread the needle into the end zone for a TD?? i seen manning do it consitantly...Vick will run for 100 pass for 50,...manning will give the ball to edge to run for 100 the PA pass for 300...haha..

while your at it, you might as well say that brandon lloyd is the next jerry rice, tim rattay is the next joe montana and the niners are going to win 3 more superbowls...

[Cowboys_Fever]

O.K. Help me to understand. If Vick is so terrible why did his team have a pitifull season last year without him and go to the NFC Championshp with him? His style is different. His stats will always be ugly. The thing that counts is you see a guy go in there and give it 100% every game. Are you going to tell me that if you put Manning in Atlanta they would have made it to the NFC Championship? He couldn't get to the Championship with his own team. Accept the man's talent. Losers without him, winners with him. You can argue stats all you want but the facts are what they are. The way I see it Manning must be more overrated than Vick because Vick took an inferior team alot further than Manning did. Unless you want to say that Price, Jenkins, and White are comparable to Harrison, Stokley, and Wayne. Oh yea and Dunn is the next James too, huh? I dont like to talk bad about one to build another up, but I would just like to hear a little bit more credit than criticism for Vick. He does the most with the least. NFC Championship with him, First round draft picks without him.

Its so funny how one Dimensional you are. Your comparing the Rams to the Patriots to get to the Conference finals?????????? And then your compare Manning to Vick, if you put Manning with Atl’s D, OMG, I think they could win the superbowl. Atl didn’t get to the Play-offs last year is cause there D stunk and Vick added to them not making the play-offs. And yes, as the other guy said, Vick is in the National league right now, besides playing the Panthers, the Buc’s and the Saint’s are in there division, how easy is that D??? Vick is good, but I rather Manning starting for me, any day VS and D. Then you say “Vick took an inferior team alot further than Manning “ How is the Atl A LOT inferior to the Colts, the colts D sucks balls, besides Freeny. It seems like you only think about the Offence and don’t think about the Defense of a team, the Better a Defense is, the better an Offence is. Then you say “ NFC Championship with him, First round draft picks without him” do you mean, without vick, ATL would be last place? Talk about someone not giving credit for something. Atl is a good team, And Vick contributes to that. But the Key word is Team. I think Atl’s D made a bigger difference then Vick ( 1 player on O ) Atl’s O was like 17th in league, Atl’s D was like 13-14th I think. And then you say, Harrison, Stokley, and Wayne, are much better then Price, Jenkins, and White. Well ya, look at whos throwing them the ball, and then look at whos throwing Price, Jenkins, White the ball, I Guarantee if Manning was throwing the ball to Price, Jenkins, White the ball, they would be just as good as the Colts WR’s, Manning makes his WR's as good as they are today. Vick wins games with his feet, Manning wins games with his arm, of corse Mannings’ WR’s are going to look better in the face of fans. Maybe you should watch some real NFL football some day, it seems like you base your S*** on madden, I rest my case.

[GT_ATL]

And then you say, Harrison, Stokley, and Wayne, are much better then Price, Jenkins, and White. Well ya, look at whos throwing them the ball, and then look at whos throwing Price, Jenkins, White the ball, I Guarantee if Manning was throwing the ball to Price, Jenkins, White the ball, they would be just as good as the Colts WR’s, Manning makes his WR's as good as they are today. Vick wins games with his feet, Manning wins games with his arm, of corse Mannings’ WR’s are going to look better in the face of fans. Maybe you should watch some real NFL football some day, it seems like you base your S*** on madden, I rest my case.


get the F** out of here I watch football in fact a live in atlanta and watch every falcon game this season. if you think price is the equal to Harrison, or even Wayne you have no business playing football, watching, or thinking about football. I can't tell you how many games I've seen Price drop balls or not go and get a pass which is what the number 1 WR on a team should do. no QB throw perfect passes every play top WR like Harrison,Moss, Owen will beat the defender to the pass. Price and Jenkins have let DB take the ball out of there hands for ints. Not to mention Price not being able to cleanly beat a bumb even when the team best CB isn't covering him. If I had those WR and couldn't get the ball to my HB or TE i'd run to.

[Cowboys_Fever]

get the F** out of here I watch football in fact a live in atlanta and watch every falcon game this season. if you think price is the equal to Harrison, or even Wayne you have no business playing football, watching, or thinking about football. I can't tell you how many games I've seen Price drop balls or not go and get a pass which is what the number 1 WR on a team should do. no QB throw perfect passes every play top WR like Harrison,Moss, Owen will beat the defender to the pass. Price and Jenkins have let DB take the ball out of there hands for ints. Not to mention Price not being able to cleanly beat a bumb even when the team best CB isn't covering him. If I had those WR and couldn't get the ball to my HB or TE i'd run to.

1st off, I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to that other guy so stfu. And I guess your saying the colts top 3 WR's are stars just by chance, I guarantee you, if you have Vick with th Colts, and Manning with the Falcons, Price & Jenkins would be better then Stokley and Wayne, and maybe even better then Harrison, then you say, Price drops balls and stuff, every WR drops balls, its part of the game, Harrison dropped an easy one in the all star game. lol, you make it seem like Price and Jenkins ain't nothing and Vick is everything, which is the furthest from the truth. Next your gonna say Vick is better then Manning, lol.

[CapnKill]

O.K. Help me to understand. If Vick is so terrible why did his team have a pitifull season last year without him and go to the NFC Championshp with him? His style is different. His stats will always be ugly. The thing that counts is you see a guy go in there and give it 100% every game. Are you going to tell me that if you put Manning in Atlanta they would have made it to the NFC Championship? He couldn't get to the Championship with his own team. Accept the man's talent. Losers without him, winners with him. You can argue stats all you want but the facts are what they are. The way I see it Manning must be more overrated than Vick because Vick took an inferior team alot further than Manning did. Unless you want to say that Price, Jenkins, and White are comparable to Harrison, Stokley, and Wayne. Oh yea and Dunn is the next James too, huh? I dont like to talk bad about one to build another up, but I would just like to hear a little bit more credit than criticism for Vick. He does the most with the least. NFC Championship with him, First round draft picks without him.

If the Falcons where in the AFC, they'd be lucky to get a wild card spot.

[allend]

The problem with this conversation is one has to be right and one has to be wrong. That's ignorant thinking and thats why this issue will never be resolved. Manning is a great quarterback. That being said, I think in the big games Manning does not show up. The top offense in the AFC didn't score a touchdown for a second time in the playoffs against the Pats. On the other hand you have Vick. You all say it's not Vick thats the difference. You seem to think it's the defense. I agree with part of that. The defence did play a whole lot better. But the fact is the defence will always look better when the offense doesn't punt on every forth play. Football is a team sport. The defense played better and the offense was much improved also. But, I guess you guys know more than the Falcons players who admitted that the team was playing with more confidence because Vick was back. Accept change. Vick brings another weapon that has to be stopped. If you think of all the great quarterbacks they all had a good supporting cast. If you feel that White, Price and Jenkins are good receivers then thats your opinion. I think they are garbage. Thats my opinion. Vick didnt have a problem getting Crumpler the ball. Why? Because he would go get it. At the NFL level thats what seperates receivers. Whats the difference between J.J. Stokes and T.O.? Whats the difference between Snoop Menis and Santana Moss? Some players are playmakers and some arent. Vick needs a playmaker. Also, he looked pretty good in the Pro Bowl didnt he.

[Run and Shoot]

Maybe....I got this all wrong, but if a "#1 Wr like Price" only draws single man
coverage in the majority of games of games he 's started for the Falcons,
shouldn't he be getting open more???

[GT_ATL]

Cowboy_fever if you post on a message board then you are talking to everyone.

Price was a number two WR on the Bills the Falcons thought he would setup and be a number 1 but he's a buster. you could put him with Montana, Dan Marino, or any great QB and he's still a buster. even you precious Manning could not make him perform at the level of Harrison.

Vick might not have the accuracy of Manning but he's waaaaay better then the Cowboy's QB. :D

[STICKTHEVICKTIM]

^^^exactly. way better than. since yall mentioning Manning and Vick in the same sentence

Rankings are based on QB's

Manning

Overall passing-3rd

497/336 67.6% 4557yds 49/10 13 sacks 101 yds
284yds a gm

Overall Rushing-48th

25 Att 38 Yds 1.6 avg 2.4 yds/gm 0TDs longest run 19yds

Vick
Overall Passing-31st
321/181 56.4% 2313 Yds 14/12 46 sacks 266 yds
154 yds a gm

Overall Rushing-1st

120 Att 902 Yds 7.4 avg 60 yds/gm 10 TD's 10 runs of 20 yds or more
longest run 58 yds.


Mike Vick can throw the ball 80+ with both hands

[Cowboys_Fever]

^^^exactly. way better than. since yall mentioning Manning and Vick in the same sentence

Rankings are based on QB's

Manning

Overall passing-3rd

497/336 67.6% 4557yds 49/10 13 sacks 101 yds
284yds a gm

Overall Rushing-48th

25 Att 38 Yds 1.6 avg 2.4 yds/gm 0TDs longest run 19yds

Vick
Overall Passing-31st
321/181 56.4% 2313 Yds 14/12 46 sacks 266 yds
154 yds a gm

Overall Rushing-1st

120 Att 902 Yds 7.4 avg 60 yds/gm 10 TD's 10 runs of 20 yds or more
longest run 58 yds.


Mike Vick can throw the ball 80+ with both hands

It seams the only people coming to vick's defense is Atl fans, how original, dude Vick sucks, and your stats you put up, just prove how bad vick is compared to manning ( Overall Passing-31st). You gotta remember one thing, It’s easier for Vick to find the open men then it is for manning, A D will never QB contain Manning, which means there is more coverage on the WR’s/TE’s, and Manning still kills him at every stats but rushing. And I don’t care what you guys say about Price, he is a good Wr who can catch the ball and get open, the fans call him “Fearless price”, do you think for a second if Price plays the way you guys are describing him, do you think the fans would be calling him “ Fearless Price”? , no they would be calling him a bum. And then you take a little jab at the cowboys QB, Vinny ain’t a Cowboy, hes a one year contract deal to get them through a rebuilding season. You see you guys look at a Qb of a team, and don’t look at a team, the team makes the Qb who he is. And I have been a cowboy fan since the Aikman days, I’m not like you Ban wagoners who prolly have a new team every year, I’ve seen to many of you guys b4, its prolly gonna be Philly next year right? So w/e, just because I stick with a team even know they have a Crapy Qb that has to get them through a rebuilding season, doesn’t mean I’ll go to the next best thing. You Atl fans say Vick carried them to the Conference finals??? well ranking in at 31th passing, I wouldn’t quite use those words.

[STICKTHEVICKTIM]

im a bears fan. i just posted the stats.

Vick makes the D, change their gameplan, just like they stated on thesportingnews.com to hell with his stats or make another category for Vick.

The D is Good, there recievers and backs are nice too. Vick was working on a new system, and in any other case, implementing a new offense, the QB will suffer, but since vick has other abilities, he still suffered but he just took over the game, next year he should improve in the WCO

[Cowboys_Fever]

im a bears fan. i just posted the stats.

Vick makes the D, change their gameplan, just like they stated on thesportingnews.com to hell with his stats or make another category for Vick.

The D is Good, there recievers and backs are nice too. Vick was working on a new system, and in any other case, implementing a new offense, the QB will suffer, but since vick has other abilities, he still suffered but he just took over the game, next year he should improve in the WCO

lol, you take a jab at the cowboys Qb, when the bears have McCown starting for them, lol good job, an if you are even a bears fan, why is your name "SticktheVICKtim" I c, just a Atl fan for the time being, I gotach ya! ;) , If you ever watch a Atl game, 35%+ of the time, VIck is throwing to the flats/screen/hitches, to get his pass % up, he even stated in an interview he cares more about his stats then the points on the board ( I dunno if he was jokeing or not, I hope he was, cause thats low) Don't even gimmi that " Vick was working on a new system " He has been doing the same ***** since year one, Play actions and see if he can get loose and run, if not pass, I see that at least 50% of the time, this year and every year. Vick is a good QB, but he is prolly the most over-rated played ever. Its not my fault some of you guys can't see that.

[STICKTHEVICKTIM]

stickthevicktim was what i was feeling at the time. the bears are nice, sorry.

correct me if I'm wrong, but this was the first year that the Falcons were running the West Coast offense, plus with Vick coming off a injury. Manning is nicer than Vick, But Vick is a whole another position in the Game. Jeremiah Trotter said it best" Vick is like the worlds best athlete at QB"

[Cowboys_Fever]

stickthevicktim was what i was feeling at the time. the bears are nice, sorry.

correct me if I'm wrong, but this was the first year that the Falcons were running the West Coast offense, plus with Vick coming off a injury. Manning is nicer than Vick, But Vick is a whole another position in the Game. Jeremiah Trotter said it best" Vick is like the worlds best athlete at QB"


You say "Vick is a whole another position in the Game" Well Vick is in a whole different league then manning, an Easier Defensive league, ever think of that? So your saying one person " Jeremiah Trotter" Said "Vick is the worlds best QB" Meaning you believe Vick is the Worlds best QB, so if you believe that, I think you should go see a doctor or something, cause something has to be wrong with you. People say stuff like that all the time, do you know how many times John Madden said " He has the best accracy in the league " According to John Madden, 32 Qb's have the best accuracy in the league. And I'm not talking about the Video game madden, real life madden. Vick is a good Qb, far from the best, I would have to put him like 8-10th best in league, but people like you put him 1st, WHY? Just because he makes your eyes go wide when he runs? Who cares, he is fun to watch, but he gets sacked like the almost the most in the league, and he can’t throw the ball, how does that make him worlds best QB, oh cause Jeremiah Trotter said so, well I got my Dad a “ Worlds Best Dad” Coffey mug, I guess he is the worlds best Dad.... Please stop replying, its just to easy to argue with you, cause your always wrong.

[STICKTHEVICKTIM]

i could of swore he said "The World's best ATHLETE at the QB position"


I would hope your father would be the greatest dad in the world.

[takeo5108]

get the F** out of here I watch football in fact a live in atlanta and watch every falcon game this season. if you think price is the equal to Harrison, or even Wayne you have no business playing football, watching, or thinking about football. I can't tell you how many games I've seen Price drop balls or not go and get a pass which is what the number 1 WR on a team should do. no QB throw perfect passes every play top WR like Harrison,Moss, Owen will beat the defender to the pass. Price and Jenkins have let DB take the ball out of there hands for ints. Not to mention Price not being able to cleanly beat a bumb even when the team best CB isn't covering him. If I had those WR and couldn't get the ball to my HB or TE i'd run to.


price isnt bad at all i live in buffalo and used watch him play he caught 94 balls and 9 touchdowns in 2002 thats not bad att all and with vick price caught 45 balls and 3 touchdowns

vick is terrible and shouldnt have made the probowl his speed is overrated he ran a 4.4 while daunte stallworth ran a 4.2 therfore vick isnt the fastest in the nfl

[Cowboys_Fever]

price isnt bad at all i live in buffalo and used watch him play he caught 94 balls and 9 touchdowns in 2002 thats not bad att all and with vick price caught 45 balls and 3 touchdowns

vick is terrible and shouldnt have made the probowl his speed is overrated he ran a 4.4 while daunte stallworth ran a 4.2 therfore vick isnt the fastest in the nfl

Stop trying, its like beating a dead horse, these guys ain't even ATL fans, there VICK fans.

[allend]

O.K. Let me say this and i'll be finished with it. I really dont like tearing one guy down to build another up but for the sake of conversation here it goes. Manning went to Tennennesse. He could not win the big games. If I remember correctly T. Martin lead the Vols to the Championship as soon as Manning left. Am I saying that T. Martin was a better quarterback than Manning, NO! But I am saying that Manning had a difficult time showing up in the big games. Then you hve Vick. He wasnt even the number 1 quarterback in his state. It was Ronald Curry. He took a program to the National Championship then. Now you have Manning again gettting shut down in the playoffs. First it was the illegal bumping. I dont know what it was this year but I'm sure it was something. They didn't even score a touchdown. Stop blaming the competition! They played the Pats and the Falcons played the Rams. So what!! Your job is to win. You cant control who you play. Manning is a regular season Stud. He's a statistical stud. He's not a big game guy. Vick on the other hand is a winner. Yea, his stats arent gonna blow your mind but check the record and judge him on that. If I have one game to win I'm taking Vick. You take your prototype and hope you win 3-0 since thats the average amount of points Manning can muster on the biggest stages. Hope you have the Falcons defense since their responsible for Atlanta's success and #7 has nothing to do with it. Shout out to Nick Harper!!! Fort Valley Alum.

[Cowboys_Fever]

You guys say Vick is not over-rated, please tell me how he made the Pro-bowl. 3 Qb's make it, and they picked him.


- 11 NFC QBs have a better qualified passer rating
- no NFC QB has been sacked more times
- his TD/INT ratio is a lame 13/12
- 10 NFC QBs have more passing yards
- 10 NFC QBs have more passing TDs
- 13 NFL QBs have a better completion %

do you think a pro bowl qb should have stats like him? Another reason why I say he is one of the most over-rated players in the league. There D is like the main reason Atl did well this year, not cause of Vick who ranked like 31th in passing. Why are you people glued to Vick, he is an average Qb, some of you guy seem to think he should be in the hall of fame or somthing. And I just don't base my stuff on stats, like c'mon, I watch ton of Atl games, Vick cannot throw the ball....

[allend]

O.K. Man. I'm gonna leave it alone. Vick cant pass. Vick cant pass. He took his college team to the National Championship. That means he beat out 115 other D-1 teams. (117-2 teams that made it!) He took the Falcons to Green Bay and did what at that time no other team in the history of the NFL had done. He got injured and his team had a losing season. He came back and they went to the NFC championship. He's won at every level at which he's played. But, I'll ignore all of this and focus on the fact that he cant pass!!!! He cant pass!!! Are you happy now that I took your point of view? You just stay in your box and focus on what you want to. To HELL WITH WINS AND LOSES I WANT 300 yards passing a game. So what the dome is sold out for the next two years. So what Atlanta had one of their best seasons ever. So what the Falcons were one game away from the SuperBowl. VICK CANT PASS!!! VICK CANT PASS!!! SHAQ CANT SHOOT FREE THROWS and farts stink. Get out of the box!

[Cowboys_Fever]

O.K. Man. I'm gonna leave it alone. Vick cant pass. Vick cant pass. He took his college team to the National Championship. That means he beat out 115 other D-1 teams. (117-2 teams that made it!) He took the Falcons to Green Bay and did what at that time no other team in the history of the NFL had done. He got injured and his team had a losing season. He came back and they went to the NFC championship. He's won at every level at which he's played. But, I'll ignore all of this and focus on the fact that he cant pass!!!! He cant pass!!! Are you happy now that I took your point of view? You just stay in your box and focus on what you want to. To HELL WITH WINS AND LOSES I WANT 300 yards passing a game. So what the dome is sold out for the next two years. So what Atlanta had one of their best seasons ever. So what the Falcons were one game away from the SuperBowl. VICK CANT PASS!!! VICK CANT PASS!!! SHAQ CANT SHOOT FREE THROWS and farts stink. Get out of the box!

You keep thinking Vick is the ONLY reason why they win games, w/e, it’s the furthest from the truth, and on another note, almost 95% of the Qb's that played in the ncaa, had like perfect records then, and that’s why they in the NFL, its nothing special. Vick has shown no real skill, only thing he has shown is he can run, and I guess that makes him #1 in your book. In the next 10 seasons Vick is at ATl, I would bet you 100$ they make the play-offs 2-3 times max with VIck at helm. And when they don't make the play-offs, look at there D ranking, it will prolly be 20- ranking in D. And Vick is in the NFC, and he still plays like crap, what does that say???? To bad it will take like 2-4 years to prove my point. ANd yes "HE CAN"T PASS" you know that thing QB's do, and all the Good qb's do, oh yeh, throw the ball...

[GT_ATL]

price isnt bad at all i live in buffalo and used watch him play he caught 94 balls and 9 touchdowns in 2002 thats not bad att all and with vick price caught 45 balls and 3 touchdowns

vick is terrible and shouldnt have made the probowl his speed is overrated he ran a 4.4 while daunte stallworth ran a 4.2 therfore vick isnt the fastest in the nfl

who said Vick was the fastest in the league.
from 94 to 45 catches i'd say that was a step down. It's about heart and price does have it. His numbers would have been just as bad on any other team because the effort is not their.
on the other hand Vick has tons of heart. who did we have before him to build a team around - crystal chandelier and Jeff George. No Vick is not the only reason we win. Arthur Blank has done a great job building up this franchise. but it is obvious that the team plays harder when he is in the game.


why did Vick make the probowl because he is fun to watch and the probowl is like the all-star game in basketball. you have player that are thier because of the season they just had and players that the fans want to see. Vick was on a winning team that made the playoff and his rushing stat for a QB were high

[barry sanders]

this thread is so F'n stupid, first people compare peyton manning to micheal vick, HAHAHAHA, that alone is stupid, then you have morons comparing price to harrisson?? HAHAHAHA...are you F'n kidding me?? peyton manning doesnt make marvin harrisson great, marvin harrisson makes manning great...look at the number of times harrisson has caught bad passes to bail out manning, why the hell do you think manning TRUSTS HIM AND ONLY HIM?? Put vick with harrisson, harrisson will still be GREAT...how can you even think of comparing price with harrisson...Harrisson is in the top 3 as far as WR's go...moss owens harrison, i dont know how you would rank em, but in any case, harrisson is 10000 times better than price...and manning isnt the man that makes harrison great...he just is a great receiver.

[STICKTHEVICKTIM]

vick cant pass, vick is weak. I remeber this game where the the falcons were up 3, The Defense gave up a late TD with about a min left. Vick comes out and runs a couple runs to Warrick Dunn, he has a run himself. a quick pass. they are on the 20 yard line, with little time remaining on 3rd, he throws a nice TD pass to Crumpler. I admit his accuracy is off, but more than half off his passes are thrown on the run. I am not saying he is the best QB in the League, but one of them. His stats mean nothing, if he has 10TDs and 30 INts an they still make it to the playoffs and to the NFC Championship. His own team said, they play on with a higher level of confidence when number 7 is behind the center. i have nevr heard the bears say that about hutchinson or McCown, and thats my team.

[takeo5108]

i would just like to atlantas retarted for signing him to 10 years in the next 3-5 years his knees will be beat and he cant pass for **** so theyll be screwed

[VgQue19st]

i would just like to atlantas retarted for signing him to 10 years in the next 3-5 years his knees will be beat and he cant pass for **** so theyll be screwed
Did ya'll see how he played in the Pro bowl. Even Holt could not handle his passess. Vick has some skill. He'll come around like McNabb and Culpepper. He want have as many running yards next year, trust me.

[VgQue19st]

O.K. Man. I'm gonna leave it alone. Vick cant pass. Vick cant pass. He took his college team to the National Championship. That means he beat out 115 other D-1 teams. (117-2 teams that made it!) He took the Falcons to Green Bay and did what at that time no other team in the history of the NFL had done. He got injured and his team had a losing season. He came back and they went to the NFC championship. He's won at every level at which he's played. But, I'll ignore all of this and focus on the fact that he cant pass!!!! He cant pass!!! Are you happy now that I took your point of view? You just stay in your box and focus on what you want to. To HELL WITH WINS AND LOSES I WANT 300 yards passing a game. So what the dome is sold out for the next two years. So what Atlanta had one of their best seasons ever. So what the Falcons were one game away from the SuperBowl. VICK CANT PASS!!! VICK CANT PASS!!! SHAQ CANT SHOOT FREE THROWS and farts stink. Get out of the box!

Yo good point. Here is the facts right here. Vick in, they win. Vick out they loose. Granted it seems like no one man can be that good, but guess what.......he is. And when that mind mature watch out. Probowl was a preview of that arm.

[maddenbowl62]

this thread is so F'n stupid, first people compare peyton manning to micheal vick, HAHAHAHA, that alone is stupid, then you have morons comparing price to harrisson?? HAHAHAHA...are you F'n kidding me?? peyton manning doesnt make marvin harrisson great, marvin harrisson makes manning great...look at the number of times harrisson has caught bad passes to bail out manning, why the hell do you think manning TRUSTS HIM AND ONLY HIM?? Put vick with harrisson, harrisson will still be GREAT...how can you even think of comparing price with harrisson...Harrisson is in the top 3 as far as WR's go...moss owens harrison, i dont know how you would rank em, but in any case, harrisson is 10000 times better than price...and manning isnt the man that makes harrison great...he just is a great receiver.


what were harrison's stats before manning was good. last year manning had 400 yards in a game without harrison.

[Cowboys_Fever]

this thread is so F'n stupid, first people compare peyton manning to micheal vick, HAHAHAHA, that alone is stupid, then you have morons comparing price to harrisson?? HAHAHAHA...are you F'n kidding me?? peyton manning doesnt make marvin harrisson great, marvin harrisson makes manning great...look at the number of times harrisson has caught bad passes to bail out manning, why the hell do you think manning TRUSTS HIM AND ONLY HIM?? Put vick with harrisson, harrisson will still be GREAT...how can you even think of comparing price with harrisson...Harrisson is in the top 3 as far as WR's go...moss owens harrison, i dont know how you would rank em, but in any case, harrisson is 10000 times better than price...and manning isnt the man that makes harrison great...he just is a great receiver.

what were harrison's stats before manning was good. last year manning had 400 yards in a game without harrison.


Ok buddy, b4 there was Manning and Harrison, Harrison was only Averaging 841 yards a year, and that’s with 16 game seasons. Manning comes along and he averages 1451.1 yards a year. Harrison was doing something like 836, 866,776. The 1st year Marvin Harrison played a whole season with Manning, he hit 1663 yards? Is that a coincidence?? And every year after that he got more then 1113 yards a year. Last year was Harrison’s worst year with manning ( Yards wise ) it just shows manning can get it done with and with out Harrison. Harrision is a great WR one of the best, but Manning makes him one of the best. Manning broke the TD record this year, and Harrison had his worst season ( Yard wise ) whats that say about Manning. And If Harrison was with Vick for 6-7 years, I don’t think he would be even close to being the top 3 WR’s, not even top 30. Maybe in the top 200 playing under Vick. So don’t give me Harrison is the best WR, cause he was born that way. Manning played a HUGE part in making Harrison what he is today. Stats prove that. And when you start laughting when you heard about Comparing Manning to Vick, whos better? If you say Vick, then please off your self.

[Cowboys_Fever]

And by the way, if you go by stats, it proves Price gets worse playing with Vick, he was better with the Bills in his rookie years, WR are supposed to prosper, but not with Vick.

[Run and Shoot]

And by the way, if you go by stats, it proves Price gets worse playing with Vick, he was better with the Bills in his rookie years, WR are supposed to prosper, but not with Vick.



Dude....here's the thing with Price, he gotta fat long-term contract, he's
"phat" and doesn't care to go all out as a Wr at this point in his career.
The guy runs lazy routes, dosen't dive for the ball or make plays and can get
seperation if ya' put on a empty field with just one other player.
Everybody in Atlanta knows this. If don't believe me, go to their MB and ask them.

[maddenbowl62]

[QUOTE]this thread is so F'n stupid, first people compare peyton manning to micheal vick, HAHAHAHA, that alone is stupid,

what has vick done to prove he is better than manning. manning's career low passer rating season(excluding he rookie year) is better than vick's career high passer rating season.



peyton manning doesnt make marvin harrisson great, marvin harrisson makes manning great...look at the number of times harrisson has caught bad passes to bail out manning, why the hell do you think manning TRUSTS HIM AND ONLY HIM??

as cowboy fever said harrison was a average wr before manning was good. as harrison's stats declined the past two years, manning became a great qb. manning only threw it to harrison 139 times this year. he threw it over 100 times to wayne and stokley.


Put vick with harrisson, harrisson will still be GREAT...how can you even think of comparing price with harrisson...Harrisson is in the top 3 as far as WR's go...moss owens harrison, i dont know how you would rank em, but in any case, harrisson is 10000 times better than price...and manning isnt the man that makes harrison great...he just is a great receiver.

vick cant pass it to harrison because he has one read and takes off.

[Run and Shoot]

vick cant pass it to harrison because he has one read and takes off.[/QUOTE]

True...sometimes Vick does just take-off. However, given the fact that he has only one recieving option (his TE), lots of times he has no choice. I mean
how long can he sit in the pocket waiting for his "wr's" (Price & White) to get seperation.

[Kilyin]

Uhm, who cares what Vick did in the Pro Bowl? That's a silky game with one defensive formation and zero blitzing. Of course Vick is going to own it up. You've got the most mobile quarterback running wild in a game of flag football, what do you expect?

[ATM]

I'm a falcon fan. I've been a falcon fan for a long time. Vick is'nt my favorite player. I just enjoy watching him play. Vick speed is good enough, i mean what's wrong with it now? He's already faster then most of the people on the feild. If any change's should be made it should be to his awareness and accuracy. If you notice vick usally goes for his TE Alge Crumpler. Most ppl would say yeah because he has no other target's. No. It's bcause he dose'ntl ook at anyone else. I watched the philly game. He looked to alge, he was tightly covered so he decided to run. I understand that that's what he is known for but for those of you say his reciever's suck, ask yourself how many time's have the Back's and te been thrown to, and how many time's has the widereciever's. Another thing is his carrying. Vick run's with the ball using like 4 finger's, he dose'nt cover it. His carrying should go down a tad. Again im a falcon fan, i just find vick exciting.

[Run and Shoot]

I'm a falcon fan. I've been a falcon fan for a long time. Vick is'nt my favorite player. I just enjoy watching him play. Vick speed is good enough, i mean what's wrong with it now? He's already faster then most of the people on the feild. If any change's should be made it should be to his awareness and accuracy. If you notice vick usally goes for his TE Alge Crumpler. Most ppl would say yeah because he has no other target's. No. It's bcause he dose'ntl ook at anyone else. I watched the philly game. He looked to alge, he was tightly covered so he decided to run. I understand that that's what he is known for but for those of you say his reciever's suck, ask yourself how many time's have the Back's and te been thrown to, and how many time's has the widereciever's. Another thing is his carrying. Vick run's with the ball using like 4 finger's, he dose'nt cover it. His carrying should go down a tad. Again im a falcon fan, i just find vick exciting.




Quick tip.....when a Qb tries to find a Wr...i.e. Price and the guy can't gain
seperation or tends to quit on routes, one looses confidence in that
particular wr. i mean Price is suppose to be the 'go-too wr'. Everybody in
Atlanta knows this.....that's why they're hoping to pick up another Wr.

Vick knows he can trust Crumpler to do what ever it takes to come up with
the ball.