Pump Fake Needs Fixing!!

[XxRENO6xX]

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The Pump fake is the biggest glitch in this game!!!!( Besides the no loss glitch)
DBs can be playing prevent defensive and all a person has to do is pump fake once backside and a receiver will come open down field.....BS!!! I have been beat by this 200+ times and I think it is the most important thing EA needs to fix for 2006.
I know people pump fake in real life but DBs are not going to let their guy run a streak right past them for a TD Everytime there's a Pump fake. People who validate the pump fake are ones who use it (majority).The bump is a problem as well but if someone pump fakes me, I'm going to do what ever it takes to stop it.
Last night I played RELL 3 and he kept trying to pump fake me, so I bumped him and he couldnt do anything. I won the game, but guess what he did..... The thing that EA also needs to fix, THE NO LOSS GLITCH!!!!! COME ON EA IS THIS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM EVERY YEAR? PEOPLE ACT LIKE THEY ARE STR8 AND WILL TELL YOU ALL DAY BUT OUT OF 800+ GAMES I'VE PLAYEd, Maybe 4 peeps play str8.
EA live up to your modo,"If it's in the game, It's in the game."

L8
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[kbell97]

I would imagine you destroy pump fakes by manually blitzing

[getting awn]

I would imagine you destroy pump fakes by manually blitzing

What I do is call the delayed bump technique.. Bcause the Offensive linemen r knocking down my defensive linemen when I am manually blitzing.

[XxRENO6xX]

The Pump Fake needs to be fixed at that's all that needs to be said

[XxRENO6xX]

wolverinejay
Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 88
SAYS,
"Nobody should be able to pump fake successfully past the 1st fake. If the D doesn't bite the 1st time you pump fake why would they bite on the 3rd or 4th fake (maybe have the QB automatically fumble on the 2nd or 3rd fake, after all it isn't that easy to pump fake repeatedly in real-life). Pump fakes in real-life work after successful set-up plays and usually then only against the more aggressive DB's. For example, If you run a few successful out routes then WR runs an out n' up route you should be able to pump the out part (as WR starts to cut to the out) of the route (pump fake wouldn't work unless you timed it correctly). Same goes for a few successful hitches then a hitch n' go or a pump on the first move of any other WR double-move route. Let me end by saying EA please fix the excessive pump fakes for 2006 and beyond."

I think he has a great idea!! EA, ARE YOU READING THIS?

[kbell97]

ok EA, I hope they saw you can't pump fake 5 times and still have time in the pocket. Maybe they will fix this, and they will still have Mascot games :D

[XxRENO6xX]

old school 46
Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 16
say:
"the pump fake is gay!"

"when you use a glitch to gain an advantage is that really winning? in the offical record it shows you did but deep down inside you know the truth. when you lay in bed at nite it eats at you. in the back of your mind the truth says "I am a cheater, I can't win on my talent, I have to use a gimmick to get an advantage, the other guy is better than me, I will do anything to win"

people who have never put thier hand on the ground in a three point stance and played the game will not understand. anyone who has ever played real football knows about pump fakes. EA sports needs to fix this problem."

Another advocate of fixing the pump fake.

[wolverinejay]

I am glad you liked my fumble idea, it would immediately stop anybody from using the pump fake as an offensive weapon. I also would like specific player pump fakes as well. I think back in Madden 99 or Madden 2000 for the PS1 that you could push pump fake + the passing icon for a specific player to get the QB to pump directly at the designated receiver. This type of pump faking is harder to master and would prevent multiple pump fakes as well (the game wouldn't pump fake unless you pushed pump fake along with a receiver's button icon).

[djwill13]

I am glad you liked my fumble idea, it would immediately stop anybody from using the pump fake as an offensive weapon. I also would like specific player pump fakes as well. I think back in Madden 99 or Madden 2000 for the PS1 that you could push pump fake + the passing icon for a specific player to get the QB to pump directly at the designated receiver. This type of pump faking is harder to master and would prevent multiple pump fakes as well (the game wouldn't pump fake unless you pushed pump fake along with a receiver's button icon).
that's a good suggestion. since we can't really control the qb's eyes to make the safeties play more towards a WR why not be able to pump fake towards a WR? excellent idea

[XxRENO6xX]

HOLYCATFISH7 thinks pump fakes work against man coverage in real life...
A DB defending the streak would have no clue that the QB is pump faking in man coverage.

[djwill13]

HOLYCATFISH7 thinks pump fakes work against man coverage in real life...
A DB defending the streak would have no clue that the QB is pump faking in man coverage.
not necessarily. i get what you're saying and i completely agree with you.

here's a situation for you though. say i come out 5 wide and you come out in dime. you're playin man which puts the SS in man. since he's playing 10 yards deep, a quick pump fake may make him bite on the quick slant freeing him up for the streak. that's just a scenario though.

like i said, i agree with you. just giving you a situation where a pump fake against man MIGHT work

[Soccerbest7]

not necessarily. i get what you're saying and i completely agree with you.

here's a situation for you though. say i come out 5 wide and you come out in dime. you're playin man which puts the SS in man. since he's playing 10 yards deep, a quick pump fake may make him bite on the quick slant freeing him up for the streak. that's just a scenario though.

like i said, i agree with you. just giving you a situation where a pump fake against man MIGHT work

Or a CB is on a WR in man. WR does a double move (goes a lil to the side, then goes up for a streak) QB pump fakes as the WR jus made his cut, CB bites. 6 points

[XxRENO6xX]

WHo is the DB looking at in real life MAN COVERAGE? HELLO!!!!?????
He's looking at the receiver!!!!!!!!
He is NOT LOOKING AT THE QB.. Disagreeing with that just makes you look stupid.
The QB pump fake does nothing to a DB in man coverage.

[djwill13]

ok reno, you need to think about what you're saying for a second.

db - defensive back, containing all of the defesive secondary, including CB1, CB2, nickle back, dime back, strong safety and free safety

when you say "db's don't bite on pump fakes in man coverage", that's not entirely true. CB'S shouldn't bite if they are in man coverage, but the safeties can. they are playing off the line and safeties are trianed to read the qb (they also call out switches in man coverage in case someone takes the picks and runs across the middle of the field). therefore they are reading both the qb and the route. this is why you see single coverage sometimes in the pros and ncaa. the pump fake is used to make the safeties bite

when you said db's you're including them, so that statement isn't entirely true.

[XxRENO6xX]

You know exactly what I'm saying. At no point have I referred to a somone who is not assigned to an offensive player. At no point have I mentioned someone in free or spy coverage.
If a "DB" (defensive back) is in "man to man" coverage, he DOES NOT look at the QB . He looks at his man. If they do banjo, he DOES NOT look at the QB; he looks at the man he is switching to. A DB in man coverage DOES NOT look at the QB and the route. He concentrates only on staying with his man and reacting with him as he goes to catch the ball.
Are you listening?

[djwill13]

You know exactly what I'm saying. At no point have I referred to a somone who is not assigned to an offensive player. At no point have I mentioned someone in free or spy coverage.
If a "DB" (defensive back) is in "man to man" coverage, he DOES NOT look at the QB . He looks at his man. If they do banjo, he DOES NOT look at the QB; he looks at the man he is switching to. A DB in man coverage DOES NOT look at the QB and the route. He concentrates only on staying with his man and reacting with him as he goes to catch the ball.
Are you listening?
shotgun 5 wide against dime man where the MLB blitzes. both safeties are playing WR's off the LOS (so they don't tip off the coverage). they still read the qb, i played corner so i know this man. i was taught to read the qb (when playing safety and the pattern as it develops. if you know anything, if the inside WR's run slants then it's the dime backs responsibility since the Safety wont get there in time. he still has to read the play man. reno, i feel what you're saying, i'm just giving you an instance where a pump fake may make a DB bite.

safeties aren't taught to just flat out play man regaurdless of coverage. read and react. hence the name safety. and if what you're saying is true, then why is it that if a WR's route is short and the qb decides to thow long then a safety helps the corner over the top? he has to read that and "watch" the qb

[XxRENO6xX]

Well who ever told you to read the QB when you're manned up to a receiver was not a very smart coach. You can hide coverages but when the ball is snapped and you're in man coverage, you don't read the QB, you read your man or the man you're banjoing. I will repeat what I just said DBs who are manned up on a receiver DO NOT look at the QB.

Where did you play corner at? I wanna know the coach's name who told you this.
And I never said anything about safeties playing man regardless of coverage, WAKE UP!
I played safety in high school and after college in arena ball. If our team is playing cover 0(no free) then everyone is manned up and nobody is reading the QB. If we're in cover 1( man free) then everyone is manned except the safety. Here the safty would be reading the feild and watching the QB, but he is not manned up on anyone. Do you understand???

" IF YOU ARE MANNED UP ON SOMEONE YOU ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE QB!"
saying different is making you look ignorant and stupid about football.

[getting awn]

Flag on Reno. Illegal use of respect to a fellow member. 15 yds. Carry on.....

[XxRENO6xX]

sorry guys
my bad

[djwill13]

there's nothing wrong with a discussion..........nothin's been taken personal. you've got your beliefs and i've got mine that's all i'm sayin.

like i said even in cover 0 our safeties were taught to read the qb, read the play. all the corners would jam, but the safeties would play off (not tipping off coverage) that's all

oh and for the record
team: Valdosta High School (winningest hs in the nation, google it if you don't believe me). so we gotta be doing something right. oh and 26 state championships and 7 nationals too

coach: jack rudolph

reno, if you read back over my whole argument, i was always talkin about safties. you were talking about db's as a whole. i was just giving examples where not all db's (hence my argument for safeties) just play their man even in man coverage. that's all i was tryin to say. it's all good though

[XxRENO6xX]

Nice high school. Did you stop playing after that? What year did you graduate?

This point you're making is understandable. If one is trying to act like they're in zone, they are going to have zone tendencies.

[djwill13]

Nice high school. Did you stop playing after that? What year did you graduate?

This point you're making is understandable. If one is trying to act like they're in zone, they are going to have zone tendencies.
that's all i was implying lol. you were saying db's which would refer to the whole defensive secondary. i was just giving examples saying that safeties do read the qb even in man coverage. i say safeties because you said db's. that's all.

just givin an example man. like i said i didn't take anything personal. i was reading too far into what you were sayin and it's cool.

oh and btw i graduated in 2000.