Spa status and R4THL

[canerraid72]

Just wondering if I can get some word back on my approval for the SPA. I also think that in doing the rules for the SPA, there should be some more consideration given to the overall rules of Diversity. I know that it is posted that the SPA is different from the games we get playing just "randoms" online, but in trying to keep with the rules of diversity, I believe it should come on BOTH sides of the ball. If you are strict or vocal above NOT calling let say a wide reciever streak play from 3 different formations, over and over becasue it is working, why should you be able to use the defensive play over and over becasue it is working, yet it is coming from the same formation. Like I said Diversity should be addressed on both sides of the ball. As well there was some gray area going into my tryout game as to diversity on the offensive play calling. Calling the same play from different formation is still the same play.

As for the R4THL, I too am dissapointed by the lack of interest and was truely looking forward to a great season. Hopefully we can get some more dedicated players and form something smaller.

[djwill13]

Just wondering if I can get some word back on my approval for the SPA. I also think that in doing the rules for the SPA, there should be some more consideration given to the overall rules of Diversity. I know that it is posted that the SPA is different from the games we get playing just "randoms" online, but in trying to keep with the rules of diversity, I believe it should come on BOTH sides of the ball. If you are strict or vocal above NOT calling let say a wide reciever streak play from 3 different formations, over and over becasue it is working, why should you be able to use the defensive play over and over becasue it is working, yet it is coming from the same formation. Like I said Diversity should be addressed on both sides of the ball. As well there was some gray area going into my tryout game as to diversity on the offensive play calling. Calling the same play from different formation is still the same play.

As for the R4THL, I too am dissapointed by the lack of interest and was truely looking forward to a great season. Hopefully we can get some more dedicated players and form something smaller.you get my approval. as far as the defense goes, teams have base defenses. take me for instance, i play 4-3 no matter what you come out in. i may blitz, i may not, but i give you the same look as if i were blitzing. i mix in some cover 2, some zone blitzing, some cover 3, some cover 4, maybe even a little man cover2. point is, i could run thunder 2 and be very effective, but i don't. i mix it up. i blitz when you think i'm not, and play striaght zone when you're expecting blitz. that's where the chess match comes into play.

having said that thouogh, that doesn't mean come out in nickle thunder all day, every day, every play. it's ok to have a "base" defense (like 4-3, or even nickle for that matter), but you can't use the same play over and over from that formation.

[blackpowdereer]

Running the 3-3-5, as I do....you give the same look every time and can bring a nickle blitz or cover 3...all from the same set. I have been trying to utilize it on 95% of the defensive game....going to Dime or 4-2-5 for certain situations....like the HB Direct. I will audible into a dime setting for 2nd and 3rd and long.....4-2-5 for containing a HB Direct cheeser....but the rest of the time...I will stay in a 3-3-5......

I have found that some teams....CPU....have a problem with the 3-3-5. I can play Colorado and their HUGE FB....and play 4-4 defense with lot's of run blitzes....and he will get 300 yards....however....I will play a 3-3-5 and can stop him 4 out of 5 times. I think it's a glitch....but I KNOW that a 3 man rush should NEVER be able to get pressure on a QB.....NEVER.....but I can.....by using the DLine audibles....I can get a man free and pressure the QB....that should NEVER happen.

I stray from my point....just because my base defense is 3-3-5....does not mean there is only one set coming from that playbook. I can blitz any defensive player or group of players....I can shift from one side to the next....without moving a player....and so can you. Like DJ said....that is the chess match.
If someone comes out with LSU or Ohio State and blitzs the LE and RE on EVERY down....or brings his Impact LB on EVERY play....that is bull****....and I will burn someone down if that is what they do....or I'll just ask them to quit and if they don't....I will quit....not worth my time to play a person that knows so little about football that they would try and justify this manuver.

This game is, in my mind....a stylized war....a battle on a small scale with feints and stratagems....a basic gameplan that will change and evolve as the opponent's stratagy becomes clear....these battles have rules....and some rules are unspoken...but they are in force none-the-less. Someone who breaks or even bends these rules....does not understand the inherent symmetry of this "Game". Unfortunatly....they never will :(

[canerraid72]

I appreciate both examples of your defenses. I don't men to sound like an azz, but I know the general philosophy of running a base D and showing the same thing but doing something different behind it. Obviously I wouldn't say anything if that was the case. I bring it up becasue I didn't see that happening. I saw the same defensive play 95% of the time. Regardless of my offensive formation, the same play was used. Yes there were times that other plays were mixed in, but 95% of the time, the same play was used.
Like I said, there may be a gray area as to what the SPA would consider different. For example if I run the nickel thunder regular on first down, then on second down I shift the line right and slant them left and spread my lb's, then on third down I pinch my lb's and spread the line then audible pinch them and drop my DT into coverage after the play has started does that mean I have used 3 different plays or have I just used 1 play and given 3 different looks? How does the SPA view that? To me that is using the same play 3 times.
As well on offense if I run a dive out of ACE twins and then I run the dive out of I form normal, then I run the dive out of Ace Twins again, Yes I have shown 3 different looks, but it is the same play. How does this differ from throwing a streak 3 times, to the same reciever from Ace slot, to SG Spread, to SG trips?
I am more so interested in it from a game plan status that trying give up peoples game play. With the folding of the R4TH league, the SPA will be my main circle of focus. If I know how everyone views teh play then I can set my play and ideas to working on a gameplan to compete in that style and i will use it online to perfect the game. Obviously I understand the idea of using a base and changing things behind it , but keeping the apperance the same ala the Patriots successful D. As well are we allowed to do this on offense? If I wanted to use just SG normal all game as long as the plays were varied, could I do so? And no I am not talking about HR a reciver to change the route and considering that a play change, I am talikng about actually selecting different plays.Obviously the idea is the same as the defensive gameplan. I would be trying to show the same thing, but be doing different things everytime?

[blackpowdereer]

Cane.....dude....your making this more difficult than it has to be. Your description shows exactly what we are encouraging players to do....instead of running, in my case and defense....SS Blitz and manually controlling my 91ovr SS on every play except punts and kickoffs....and the occasional Mad Dog Blitz from the 4-4 thrown in for good measure.....because I can get him in the backfield and blow up almost any play that is run....I pinch my linemen...and call BnR....and I can get to the QB with this Impact SS....THAT is cheese....I KNOW it works....and I can shut down ANYONE with it....but.....

and this is the major bigtime But.....

That is NOT football....if I was a coach....and I tried to do that....with MY Strong Safety....I would kill him....his heart would explode....or he would drop dead from exhaustion.
And THAT is what we are espousing....treat this game (with all it's flaws) and S-I-M-U-L-A-T-E playing football....of course your stick skills will be part of that....and your own individual tendencies....(I like to run to the weak side...and use counters and Blasts....mixed in with RB in the flats passes) I KNOW other plays....but that is what works to my strengths as a team...and my own stick skills. As I said earlier...my defensive stratagy is base 3-3-5 with 4-2-5 and dime mixed in....that is my TENDENCY....but I can and do run other plays from other sets....but that is what I will fall back into if I'm not careful....and THAT is the point. A good opponent...play-calling and stick skills...will find those tendencies...and call counter plays to them....and if I notice...I would call a counter to his counter and so on and so on.....it's called football.

If I'm a coach in a real game....and I have a monster LB...of course I'm gonna use a stratagy to compliment his strength....but I will also have to realize the opposing coach KNOWS the LB is an Impact player...and will try and counter it. We do this with play-calling...and stick skills. Cheesers and glitchers will utilize every gimmick they can think of....QB scrambling on 3 out of 4 plays....not CALLED options or QB draws....but scrambles to get the recievers to get open...over and over and over again....or HB Direct from both sides....and throwing to the same 6'6" WR on every Bomb you throw...and you throw more than 2 or 3 a game....Using your Impact LB or SS to blitz on every play....from both sides....and with you controling them....or calling All out Blitz on every play and then controls the FS or SS and sits back and picks off pass after pass....Cane...THIS is cheese....and THIS is what we won't play against....I don't think....based solely on your descriptions...that your play would be considered against the rules of the SPA.

[canerraid72]

Black,

You are really trying too hard to answer a simple question.
I will post this and all I need is a yes or no. Based on the rules of the SPA and in keeping with diversity, if I call the play Nickel thunder or any play 3 times in a row but I either control someone different each time or I slant my line or visibly move my line or pinch my lb's( obviously I do something different each time but still use teh same play) is that considered legal in the SPA or not.

As well on offense if I want to run a dive and I call it out of 3 diffrent sets in a row is that Legal?

[blackpowdereer]

yes, Cane...it's legal