Wing T/Flexbone

[chrisbzn832]

Get the Flexbone/Double Wing T blocking right. Although these formations are great for running the option and running PA, the misdirection game needs a stronger presence. This requires that the guards and tackles to pull and trap more. The WB Around play would be f*cking wicked if you had a pair of guards pulling out there with you.
If they can get the blocking right, I'd love to see a couple of Single Wing-T formations. The problem with the double wing is that you need to speedier HBs at the WB position, but with the Single Wing, you could play a a good FB, a Power Runner at HB, and a speedster at WB.


..X........T.G.C.G.T.TE
..................Q..........WB

............HB...FB


..X.........T.G.C.G.T.TE
...................Q.........WB

...................FB...HB


..X..........T.G.C.G.T.TE
..........WB.....Q

...............HB..FB

[mcnaire2004]

like your ideas my schools wing T is like this

7.....T.G.C.G.T.....8
.....3......Q.....4
.............2


7.....T.G.C.G.T.....8
............Q.....4
..........3.2

7.....T.G.C.G.T.....8
......3.....Q
.............2..4

3.T.G.C.G.T........8
........Q.....4....7 (the 3back is on the line b/c the 7 WR comes in motion to
........2 the 8 side)

Then there's about 8-10 more variations of this with WR in motion and RB lined up on other side and extended out in a trips like form and theres shot gun and on form i know NCAA07 will never add (Shotgun spread is the name at our school) (its similar to swinging gates witch i ran in mid schoo)
7.T.....G.C.G.....T.8
....3................4
............Q.2

[ThrowTheBall]

Then there's about 8-10 more variations of this with WR in motion and RB lined up on other side and extended out in a trips like form and theres shot gun and on form i know NCAA07 will never add (Shotgun spread is the name at our school) (its similar to swinging gates witch i ran in mid schoo)
7.T.....G.C.G.....T.8
....3................4
............Q.2
Thats the old Emory and Henry formation. Steve Spurrier is keeping that alive in modern football.

[dwoodcoach28]

They have the right formations they just need to add the midline option and Make the WR Sweep the Jet Sweep and you have to motion the guy to run it.

[chrisbzn832]

They have the right formations they just need to add the midline option and Make the WR Sweep the Jet Sweep and you have to motion the guy to run it.
Yeah but that would require them to get the option reads right, which they really have't done yet.

[mcnaire2004]

My HS wing T doesn't feature the option. I have been at 2 wing T schools. One is a heavy option. The one im at now has like 3 option plays that i don't think have ever been ran. For every formation they need to have a style of play option. I remember in 04 different ply books had diff plays. I-form in miami's plybk was diff than Nebraskas I-form (last year of their option).

[chrisbzn832]

They have the right formations they just need to add the midline option and Make the WR Sweep the Jet Sweep and you have to motion the guy to run it.

They have the Double Wing T right, but there are still a lot of small NCAA teams that play a Single Wing because they don't want to have to throw in a ton of motion and counters off of them. As I stated above, they don't have the blocking right; there are way too many one-one blocking situations. Take for example the WB sweep/Jet Sweep; the ball should be pitched, not handed off, this would allow for the Guards to pull out there in front of you. Pulling the Guards, along with the TE, FB, and WB blocking for you gives you a major numbers advantage out in the flats.

[chrisbzn832]

My HS wing T doesn't feature the option. I have been at 2 wing T schools. One is a heavy option. The one im at now has like 3 option plays that i don't think have ever been ran. For every formation they need to have a style of play option. I remember in 04 different ply books had diff plays. I-form in miami's plybk was diff than Nebraskas I-form (last year of their option).
I played with both teams in 03 and 04; Nebraska was super option heavy while Miami had more straight ahead running along with a West Coast passing package. EA got away from it because they added custom PBs. I was never a big fan of the Wing T, but I watched three really good Single Wing teams this year and they all incorporated all phases of the running game well; straight ahead plays like Isos and Toss sweeps, misdirection stuff off of the basic plays, and various options such as the midline and both inside and outside veers.

[ThrowTheBall]

I have a book on attacking the Wing T by Kenny Ratledge, Signed by the author...

[chrisbzn832]

To shut down a Wing-T, you're front seven has to be able to recognize what the offensive line, particularly what the guards are doing. The Wing-T is effective in our conference because the majority of the teams spread the field and throw the ball, which involves a different style of play by the front seven. The LBs are taught to read the first back out their side if they're in the box, or to read a WR or TE when they're reduced out. Thus, they have to read into the backfield to be effective against the straight ahead runs, passes, and play action; against a Wing-T, the last thing you want to do is read into the backfield; you'll get sucked in by the play fakes. Plus, these Wing-T teams ran the hell out of the option, which is tough to stop if you don't see it week in and week out, which we don't. The team that won the state title this year ran an H-Back spread attack and beat a very good Wing-T team in the final. They did so because they're underclassman play a Wing-T team from the same city year in and year out, sometimes twice a year. They were prepared through the years to make the right reads and to be smart.

[chrisbzn832]

Here are two nasty Wing-T play progressions that I'd like to see;
Run FB Dives and Blasts a few times, after handing off to the FB, fake a WB around.
Fake to the FB, pull the guards and run the WB Around Counter.
This is the nastiest; Fake the WB around, including the pulling guards, and let the QB keep it around the end on either a boot pass, or a sweep. The Tackle to that side picks up the end.

This ones simpler; run the Jet sweep (where a motioned WB gets the ball on a sweep with the guards pulling.
As soon as they start playing the end in wide outside shade, run the outside veer at him. The dive portion will be wicked because he's taken himself out of the play with hbis positioning,


This brings up another point; the option in NCAA is essentially an inside veer, I'd love to see and outside veer (the FB mesh point is the tackle inside leg versus the guards inside leg) out of these Wing T formations and out of split back. Adding the outside veer to the West Coast split back package would be awesome. They'd pnly need to add one option because the outside veer is the outside veer, theres no counter or reverse plays off of it. However, it gives you the opportunity to get the ball to the permieter quickly.

[Nother R&Ser]

The Flexbone itself needs

midline option
OSV
Toss Sweep with A back motioning into the backfield
Lead and Load DBl Options
counter option to have a pulling guard to make it a true Belly option.
The Freeze option,
WR reverse off the ISV.
Speed option using a motioning A back,
option pass off triple option,
better rollout bassing game,
the creating a Flexbone Trips and Flexbone unbalanced formations.
Oh and the correct motion for the A backs short and across, the away motion is useless 90% of the time.

A dang Play Editor so when they screw things up and we can fix them to a degree.

Ok Rant over maybe...

[chrisbzn832]

The Flexbone itself needs

midline option
OSV


A dang Play Editor so when they screw things up and we can fix them to a degree.

Ok Rant over maybe...

I agree with the need for a decent play editor, but I don't want a piece of sh*t like they've got on Madden. But like I said earlier, they need to get the option right; leave someone unblocked and give us defender to read. They're getting there slowly; the under-center triple option leaves the end unblocked sometimes, but not in a way that would give you a decent read. The QB Choice is really the only true option read in the game, but its still more defensive alignment dependent than anything else.

[chrisbzn832]

The Flexbone itself needs

midline option
OSV
Toss Sweep with A back motioning into the backfield Lead and Load DBl Options
counter option to have a pulling guard to make it a true Belly option.
The Freeze option,
WR reverse off the ISV.
Speed option using a motioning A back,
option pass off triple option,
better rollout bassing game,
the creating a Flexbone Trips and Flexbone unbalanced formations.
Oh and the correct motion for the A backs short and across, the away motion is useless 90% of the time.
A dang Play Editor so when they screw things up and we can fix them to a degree.

Ok Rant over maybe...


They need to incporporate better motion into they plays, not only for the Flexbone/WingT, but for the spread option as well. The jet sweep would be wicked in both style of offenses; the WB/WR has ahead of steam before he gets the ball, thus allowing you to get to the perimeter quickly. They also need to ditch pulling the Playside Guard and Tackle on Toss plays, its a whole lot more effective to pull both guards and have the play side tackle reach the end I Ace spread formations, the toss is a disaster because the end is left unblocked because of the tackle pulling.

If they want to pull both the guard and tackle, do so in a quick pitch out of Pro form/Split back. Pitch the ball to the playside back and pull the guard and tackle, the backs alignment towards the perimeter makes this a quick hitting toss play that gets to the corner quickly.This would work mreally well out of Twin HB SUB


X...........T.G.C.G.T.TE
..................Q.. -------------------->.......Z
................H.....F-------------->

[dwoodcoach28]

Did we mention Trap Option?

[chrisbzn832]

Did we mention Trap Option?
Little late on this one...I for one would love to see a trap option, not only out of the Flexbone/Delaware Wing, but also out of the SG formations.

[CrazyOldGuy]

Split Back Veer... It can't be that tough just put the triple option back in the pro formation (you can even replace the power option play).

[chrisbzn832]

Split Back Veer... It can't be that tough just put the triple option back in the pro formation (you can even replace the power option play).
The split back veer would be incredible if they included the outside veer. The OSV would be a great addition; you can run it out of split back or out of the staggered I Forms. Don't get me wrong; I love the option game we have now, but a few additions would be really effective. As I stated above; they need to get the reads and the blocking right. If we had a true option system, reads and all, the game would jump to a whole other dimension.

[CrazyOldGuy]

The split back veer would be incredible if they included the outside veer. The OSV would be a great addition; you can run it out of split back or out of the staggered I Forms. Don't get me wrong; I love the option game we have now, but a few additions would be really effective. As I stated above; they need to get the reads and the blocking right. If we had a true option system, reads and all, the game would jump to a whole other dimension.

Well the problem is EA would have to take the time to learn that yes there is a difference between inside and outside veer. Then they would have to learn that while some offenses operate very effectively out of tight line splits most teams use something more than the tight shoe to shoe splits this game depicts.

Its January, I can guarantee if they haven't committed to it by now we're screwed. They're probably trying to figure out what Marketing plug to use about the return to the 05 controller settings as the default... "NEW CLASSIC CONTROLLER SETTINGS!" :mad: :mad: (I think after years of being burned on the whole play editor thing I'm getting more and more jaded by EA)

[chrisbzn832]

I really, really hope they don't dick with the controls anymore... The 06 settings were crap. I hate having to relearn the controls every year. It gets really old.

[mad_bomber]

What I suggest you guys do is go through the flexbone, wishbone, and other sets of that nature and list out the plays and what adjustments you'd like to see made to them. Who knows EA may take your suggestions and put them in the playbooks for NCAA 07. You can post it in the offensive forum to make it easier for EA to see them.

[Chomppig]

I agree with everyone on this. The Flexbone is my all-time favorite offense (tho I'm gonna have to find a new team that runs it now that GSU doesn't run it anymore :( ) I try hard to run a real offensive system and not just money plays and its hard to do out of the flexbone. The only offense that seems to work the way it should is the I-formation.

[chrisbzn832]

I agree with everyone on this. The Flexbone is my all-time favorite offense (tho I'm gonna have to find a new team that runs it now that GSU doesn't run it anymore :( ) I try hard to run a real offensive system and not just money plays and its hard to do out of the flexbone. The only offense that seems to work the way it should is the I-formation.
The Flexbone would be more effective if they took the FB into consideration. The FB in this scheme should be one of the primary runners and with the plays EA has, you just can't do that. Getting the trap blocking is the first step- LEAVE SOMEONE UNBLOCKED SO THE PULLING GUARD CAN KICK HIM OUT. Hence the term "trap". And as we have said above, a more effective misdirection game including buck and jet sweep counters. Giving us someone to read on the inside veer or even a midline option would be great too. One thing to beat in mind also- the teams that run the Flexbone really rely on the option game, so its hard to call them money plays.