Compression Offense Discussion

[LMNtree]

I figure with the new compression guide coming out we would get a little discussion going on. Making this offense type my permanant switch about a month ago, i'm aprox 33-8 online. I personally have always been in love with this scheme (2RB not SB), and run it with 3 teams. Those teams being the Raiders, Redskins, and Falcons. I try to use each team with the sort of the same scheme, but change playcalling a bit to support player personnel. So anyone looking for or wanting to share tips on schemes, plays, playcalling, playbooks, best team to run this offense with, or anything else.. let's do it here. If all could please list playbooks that favor compression sets first.

Compression Playbooks:
1. Oakland
2. Atlanta
3. Detroit
4. Tennessee
5. Seattle
6. Kansas City
7. West Coast
8. Tampa Bay
9. Washington

Compression Formations:
1. Singleback-Trips TE
a. Singleback-TripsBunch
b. Singleback-TightSlots
c. Singleback-FlexTight
2. I-Form-Tight Twins
3. Strong I-Big Tight
4. Near-TightTwins
5. Far-TightTwins
6. Shotgun-TripsTE


I'll edit other things in as I find them and as they are listed.

[xShowTymex]

i think tennesee pb is a "compression" pb

[Gmac24]

Det Pb has some nice compression sets :D :D :D

[GMONEY]

I do like the concept very much for both pre-snap reads and the ability to protect the qb. I use the KC playbook.

In 06 I favor the strong I twin wr. If I read man I like smash post and look for the tight end or I audible to strong I twin wr streak and look to the slot receiver running a post pattern. In both plays the hb is a good "hot" receiver.

Also the hb power out of strong I twins is a nice run play to keep the d honest.

Finally in keeping with this discussion I always remind myself that you can run basically the same play out of a different formation. For instance if you look closely the tightend corner play out of sb tightend trips bunch is essentially the same play as the strong I twin wr smash. Both plays have the te doing a corner pattern with hb in the flat.

I look forward to other posts so let's keep it going!

GMONEY
We must protect this house

[LMNtree]

Finally in keeping with this discussion I always remind myself that you can run basically the same play out of a different formation. For instance if you look closely the tightend corner play out of sb tightend trips bunch is essentially the same play as the strong I twin wr smash. Both plays have the te doing a corner pattern with hb in the flat.



That's all correct... That's what I like about it.. it lets me focus on attacking a certain area with the strong points of my personnel. The thing is giving the defense different looks. I like to flip formations and take advantage of the strong side of the field ( the side with the most space towards the sideline ) And a good run game helps a lot. With say the I-Form-Tight Twins.. you can run to the outside well, get corners to your slot, and work your TE well.. so dangerous!

[ahr19]

Yes, I agree about the KC Playbook and Detroits. I use KC and I like the strong Twin I WR Smash play as well. You can use this on and hit the RB in the flat, the slot WR on a post or the outside WR on a streak. Your RB is you hot receiver. IF you have alot of time, you can hit the FB sneaking out of the back field. You can run Dives and the smash out of this form too. I have to look for the name of another play out of this formation, but the slot receiver runs a Corner, the outside WR a hitch. On the other side you have the TE on a corner, the FB on a streak, and the RB out on the flat ... whew, if you have time you can hit the FB once the TE goes to the corner and the safety follows him. And the hot read is the RB. Nice stuff ...

And Detroits playbook is on a different level with the near and far formations ... ouch!

[BOOBOOSD]

Detroit's Playbook is sickening when it comes to compression. Those wicked Near/Far-TightTwins formations, including formation shifts to Singleback-TripsBunch and TightSlots. And when it comes to Singleback you can also formation shift to TripsBunch and TightSlots. Pretty nasty IMO. :eek:


So when it comes to Detroits Playbook:
Near-TightTwins
Far-TightTwins
Singleback-TripsBunch
Singleback-TightSlots

Like xShowTymex said, Tennesee's Playbook is also nice when it comes to compression, it has:
Singleback-Flex Tight (Very nice formation IMO)
Singleback-TripsBunch
Shotgun-TripsTE (Better TripsTE section than PassBalanced PB IMO)

Hmmm other playbooks:
WestCoast
Washington
TampaBay
Seattle
Philadelphia
Carolina
Minnesota

[LMNtree]

^^ True.. I checked out Detriots playbook in a online game, it's nasty. I used it with the Chargers and won by like 10 I think. Anyway, when I get off i'll be putting up a play that a run and how to set it up along with other specifics. That should get us going on getting some new plays.

[BOOBOOSD]

^^ True.. I checked out Detriots playbook in a online game, it's nasty. I used it with the Chargers and won by like 10 I think. Anyway, when I get off i'll be putting up a play that a run and how to set it up along with other specifics. That should get us going on getting some new plays.

Cool. Did you package in Sproles at Fullback? I especially like packaging him in the "Far" formation. He's great for catching it out of the backfield which can be good for beating certain blitzes if they forget about the Fullback. Good hands and speed. You gotta sub in Rookie WR Vincent Jackson also at the #2 WR spot, he's leathal out of the slot in these 2 formations.

[bassmutt]

the near close in seattles playbook has a ton of ptential.anybody else fool around with this formation?

[BigB]

I have and love it!!! There's all kind of things you can do whne running the compression. More so on the 360 version also. I'm loving this link and I thank the guy who put it up. It means a lot to me. I have been studing the Compression for about 4-5 yrs. VG just allowed me to speak on it in regards to madden game play. These schemes will work even in little league ball. I also love the slot tight sets. I wish they had the 4 wide stack and be able to formation shift to the singleback close or tight. This with the men still staying in a stacked fashion. Man that would be mean.

[xShowTymex]

Well the Forms that i like from the TENN PB is definetly the SBack- Tight Flex, and Trips.. and on DET PB i think everything is good about it but personally i think the Near-Tight im not sure what its called..<<has a killer fade, good corner route, and good running play.. im labbing on it and i think im gonna start setting up a gameplan with this.

[Tadow904]

Detroit's Playbook is sickening when it comes to compression. Those wicked Near/Far-TightTwins formations, including formation shifts to Singleback-TripsBunch and TightSlots. And when it comes to Singleback you can also formation shift to TripsBunch and TightSlots. Pretty nasty IMO. :eek:


So when it comes to Detroits Playbook:
Near-TightTwins
Far-TightTwins
Singleback-TripsBunch
Singleback-TightSlots

Like xShowTymex said, Tennesee's Playbook is also nice when it comes to compression, it has:
Singleback-Flex Tight (Very nice formation IMO)
Singleback-TripsBunch
Shotgun-TripsTE (Better TripsTE section than PassBalanced PB IMO)

Hmmm other playbooks:
WestCoast
Washington
TampaBay
Seattle
Philadelphia
Carolina
Minnesota
I dont think that the shotgun Trips TE is a compression form but if you look at the pb in the game on Sea Det TB Oak Wash WC have the most compression sets they either have 4 or 5 man

[nothasoul]

I have and love it!!! There's all kind of things you can do whne running the compression. More so on the 360 version also. I'm loving this link and I thank the guy who put it up. It means a lot to me. I have been studing the Compression for about 4-5 yrs. VG just allowed me to speak on it in regards to madden game play. These schemes will work even in little league ball. I also love the slot tight sets. I wish they had the 4 wide stack and be able to formation shift to the singleback close or tight. This with the men still staying in a stacked fashion. Man that would be mean.

Have you tried Washington playbook?

[Tadow904]

Have you tried Washington playbook?
yea when it first came out i use every now and then

[duo]

i didnt know about the compression playbook..when is it coming out?

[BigB]

Soon bert has it now

[BigB]

I dont think that the shotgun Trips TE is a compression form but if you look at the pb in the game on Sea Det TB Oak Wash WC have the most compression sets they either have 4 or 5 man

It is really. Compressed sets are any sets that have WR's grouped together. Shotty Bunch and Trips are compressed.

[Tadow904]

It is really. Compressed sets are any sets that have WR's grouped together. Shotty Bunch and Trips are compressed.

Really I didnt know that sorry bout that :D

[BigB]

Really I didnt know that sorry bout that :D

Why be sorry? LOL We are all here to learn dawg. I learn something new every day. :cool:

[RAZOR]

What Are The Top 6 Books That Run Compression Sets

[Tadow904]

Why be sorry? LOL We are all here to learn dawg. I learn something new every day. :cool:

Yea u right :D

[Jenius3]

I love Oakland PB and have been using it exclusivley for a while now. One thing i love is the Weak I sets it contains i love form. shifting from Weak I - Close to Weak I tight twins and vice versa. ( from one compression to another) so many crazy combinations and both sets can be lethal when running the ball too. Check out the TE Fade play form Close when it is form shifted to Tight twins... Especially with an athletic TE it is killer.

[Wingman9]

If you have a limited amount of money this book is going to give you the most bang for your buck pass,marrying routes,presnap reads, And here the cool part about this concept can be run W/ ever playbook in the game! Wingman9 A.K.A Masta Wu

[mone]

I left the Titans book for the Skins.I can get more players involved in that book than any other.The packages are unmatched.Try the 4wr stack set.Also a bunch sets seldom used is the i form close,Sb jumbo wing,weak i h wing te..Excellent sets to get ya TEs in the game..I can get Troupe and Kinney on field at same time with 2 Rbs plus a Wr...I love it!!

[rank is dumb]

I left the Titans book for the Skins.I can get more players involved in that book than any other.The packages are unmatched.Try the 4wr stack set.Also a bunch sets seldom used is the i form close,Sb jumbo wing,weak i h wing te..Excellent sets to get ya TEs in the game..I can get Troupe and Kinney on field at same time with 2 Rbs plus a Wr...I love it!!

The heavy Package in the Single bac Big WIng the one with the TE's off the LOS is a great running form. I like to take the Single back stack and 4 wide sets and Formation shift them to Singleback trips bunch. It allows me to have more options.

[BigB]

If you have a limited amount of money this book is going to give you the most bang for your buck pass,marrying routes,presnap reads, And here the cool part about this concept can be run W/ ever playbook in the game! Wingman9 A.K.A Masta Wu


Thanks Dawg for the shout out.

[BigB]

I left the Titans book for the Skins.I can get more players involved in that book than any other.The packages are unmatched.Try the 4wr stack set.Also a bunch sets seldom used is the i form close,Sb jumbo wing,weak i h wing te..Excellent sets to get ya TEs in the game..I can get Troupe and Kinney on field at same time with 2 Rbs plus a Wr...I love it!!

You know I really didn't think about that. The key is to get your playmakers on the field. Good Stuff.

[BigB]

I love Oakland PB and have been using it exclusivley for a while now. One thing i love is the Weak I sets it contains i love form. shifting from Weak I - Close to Weak I tight twins and vice versa. ( from one compression to another) so many crazy combinations and both sets can be lethal when running the ball too. Check out the TE Fade play form Close when it is form shifted to Tight twins... Especially with an athletic TE it is killer.

True that. I tend to like this book with a mobile. This really force the defense hands. These sets are easy to blitz. Oak has plenty of quick hitters tho.

[Jenius3]

True that. I tend to like this book with a mobile. This really force the defense hands. These sets are easy to blitz. Oak has plenty of quick hitters tho.

Yah u definatley have to be aware of the blitz thats probably the number one thing i have trouble with is someone who loves to blitz and blitz randomly. It really makes you mindful of keeping the down and distance, and reachable third downs or it becomes a blitz fest. If anyone is looking to bounce some compression stuff around in the lab hit me up on here or "Jenius1" online, i am always looking to lab new ideas and willing to share whatever limited stuff i may have.

[BigB]

Yah u definatley have to be aware of the blitz thats probably the number one thing i have trouble with is someone who loves to blitz and blitz randomly. It really makes you mindful of keeping the down and distance, and reachable third downs or it becomes a blitz fest. If anyone is looking to bounce some compression stuff around in the lab hit me up on here or "Jenius1" online, i am always looking to lab new ideas and willing to share whatever limited stuff i may have.

No doubt. By the sound of this pm you run the OAKLAN PB. LOL I have taken some lumps when I gotten greedy. ;)

[RAZOR]

No doubt. By the sound of this pm you run the OAKLAN PB. LOL I have taken some lumps when I gotten greedy. ;)

I LIKE OAKLAND PB BUT IT DONT LIKE ME

[BigB]

LOL razor your off the chain

[GaryGuanine]

I'm going to be honest here. I don't "get" the Compression offense in Madden. I know how it's supposed to work -- easy pre-snap reads, overloading zones, making DBs choose who to cover, forcing switch-offs in man coverage -- and I've seen its principles put in use in the NFL (it's what makes Jon Gruden a genius, right?).

But I don't understand how to effectively use it in Madden. Doesn't the blitz just kill you? I mean, since your hot read is probably going to involve throwing into a crowd, couldn't one good LB in a hook zone shut down many of your routes for a second or two? I like to use Singleback Trips Bunch because you can hotroute the outlier WR (the guy on the left -- the Split End?) on a slant if you don't have time for the bunch to develop its routes, but my friends and I call Singleback Tight "Singleback Sack".

I primarily play against the CPU, which switches off man coverage with perfect efficiency and confuses your O-Line with regularity, and maybe that's the problem. But against the CPU (and, by extension, the humans I've played), I prefer to spread the field. I also find it difficult to run out of sets like the I-Close, because all the defenders are right in the box, and there's a greater chance that one of them won't get blocked.

I guess my question is: How do you deal with heat or people stacking the line? Not necessarily the coverage audible "stacking the line", but if you come out in Near Tight Twins, the guy's going to have 9 in the box, and I would bring the strong side safety down (to help with run support and, if necessary, double the TE) for 10.

Since this style has such support on the forums, I really want to understand it, but I don't "get" it. But since it has such support from people who clearly understand football, I really want to understand it. Any help would be helpful.

Gary

[LMNtree]

If someone brings 8 or 9 in the box thats even better for me. With a defense like that setup chances are atleast 1 person is blitzing. The way you usually make your opponent respect you and not blitz as much, is to get your RB's involved with the passing game. You'll notice them open a lot so get it to them and get your quick easy yards. Then once you add your running game in, and a good mixer of passing routes with a few playaction.. it's amazing. Thing is you run a SB compression and I run a 2 RB offense, so there's a difference. It's really all in playcalling. You make them fear 1 thing then once they adapt you hit whatever area they are leaving open to help cover the other area/player. Let me know if this helps at all or if you have other questions.

[easportsfan73]

I'm going to be honest here. I don't "get" the Compression offense in Madden. I know how it's supposed to work -- easy pre-snap reads, overloading zones, making DBs choose who to cover, forcing switch-offs in man coverage -- and I've seen its principles put in use in the NFL (it's what makes Jon Gruden a genius, right?).

But I don't understand how to effectively use it in Madden. Doesn't the blitz just kill you? I mean, since your hot read is probably going to involve throwing into a crowd, couldn't one good LB in a hook zone shut down many of your routes for a second or two? I like to use Singleback Trips Bunch because you can hotroute the outlier WR (the guy on the left -- the Split End?) on a slant if you don't have time for the bunch to develop its routes, but my friends and I call Singleback Tight "Singleback Sack".

I primarily play against the CPU, which switches off man coverage with perfect efficiency and confuses your O-Line with regularity, and maybe that's the problem. But against the CPU (and, by extension, the humans I've played), I prefer to spread the field. I also find it difficult to run out of sets like the I-Close, because all the defenders are right in the box, and there's a greater chance that one of them won't get blocked.

I guess my question is: How do you deal with heat or people stacking the line? Not necessarily the coverage audible "stacking the line", but if you come out in Near Tight Twins, the guy's going to have 9 in the box, and I would bring the strong side safety down (to help with run support and, if necessary, double the TE) for 10.

Since this style has such support on the forums, I really want to understand it, but I don't "get" it. But since it has such support from people who clearly understand football, I really want to understand it. Any help would be helpful.

Gary

Great post Gary. I'm in the same boat. Last year I was able to spread the D and run it. This year I started a BAD habit. I schemed around the 2rb set(I Form). If you play a lot and against elite players they shut that **** down. I'm currently changing my scheme to SB Big and SB formation with a TE into block because there will be a lot of heat versus these formations and your going to need max protection at times. All I'm going to say is it takes a long time, follow your blockers and Don't use that speed burst until you have defenders on the side or behind you. As for passing, I think I played over 100 games between leagues and friends and I gave up over 300 yards passing once. Lately, I have been holding people down between 90-160 passing. I just DO NOT seeing any passing in this game unless it's offline.

[K Freeman]

I'm going to be honest here. I don't "get" the Compression offense in Madden. I know how it's supposed to work -- easy pre-snap reads, overloading zones, making DBs choose who to cover, forcing switch-offs in man coverage -- and I've seen its principles put in use in the NFL (it's what makes Jon Gruden a genius, right?).

But I don't understand how to effectively use it in Madden. Doesn't the blitz just kill you? I mean, since your hot read is probably going to involve throwing into a crowd, couldn't one good LB in a hook zone shut down many of your routes for a second or two? I like to use Singleback Trips Bunch because you can hotroute the outlier WR (the guy on the left -- the Split End?) on a slant if you don't have time for the bunch to develop its routes, but my friends and I call Singleback Tight "Singleback Sack".

I primarily play against the CPU, which switches off man coverage with perfect efficiency and confuses your O-Line with regularity, and maybe that's the problem. But against the CPU (and, by extension, the humans I've played), I prefer to spread the field. I also find it difficult to run out of sets like the I-Close, because all the defenders are right in the box, and there's a greater chance that one of them won't get blocked.

I guess my question is: How do you deal with heat or people stacking the line? Not necessarily the coverage audible "stacking the line", but if you come out in Near Tight Twins, the guy's going to have 9 in the box, and I would bring the strong side safety down (to help with run support and, if necessary, double the TE) for 10.

Since this style has such support on the forums, I really want to understand it, but I don't "get" it. But since it has such support from people who clearly understand football, I really want to understand it. Any help would be helpful.

Gary

I feel ya. I have the same problem. You cant tell who is blitzing and who is in coverage b/c of the amount of people in the box. The reads have to be really fast. I like the idea of the compression so I use the Singleback Stack 4Wr. At least that gives you more of a spread compression to fit your style of spreading the field. Try using more sets like Singleback big and motion a TE over to have two TE bunched together. And if you add your RB in you have 3 WR together for a bunch set.

[BigB]

I'm going to be honest here. I don't "get" the Compression offense in Madden. I know how it's supposed to work -- easy pre-snap reads, overloading zones, making DBs choose who to cover, forcing switch-offs in man coverage -- and I've seen its principles put in use in the NFL (it's what makes Jon Gruden a genius, right?).

But I don't understand how to effectively use it in Madden. Doesn't the blitz just kill you? I mean, since your hot read is probably going to involve throwing into a crowd, couldn't one good LB in a hook zone shut down many of your routes for a second or two? I like to use Singleback Trips Bunch because you can hotroute the outlier WR (the guy on the left -- the Split End?) on a slant if you don't have time for the bunch to develop its routes, but my friends and I call Singleback Tight "Singleback Sack".

I primarily play against the CPU, which switches off man coverage with perfect efficiency and confuses your O-Line with regularity, and maybe that's the problem. But against the CPU (and, by extension, the humans I've played), I prefer to spread the field. I also find it difficult to run out of sets like the I-Close, because all the defenders are right in the box, and there's a greater chance that one of them won't get blocked.

I guess my question is: How do you deal with heat or people stacking the line? Not necessarily the coverage audible "stacking the line", but if you come out in Near Tight Twins, the guy's going to have 9 in the box, and I would bring the strong side safety down (to help with run support and, if necessary, double the TE) for 10.

Since this style has such support on the forums, I really want to understand it, but I don't "get" it. But since it has such support from people who clearly understand football, I really want to understand it. Any help would be helpful.

Gary



This is a very good question that I have missed.

Okay let's look at what you said in the beginning. You said that Gruden and others use this system. They face heat as we do when we are on the sticks. We counter the heat the same way they do. Gruden teaches to hit hot reads and pound the ball when you face heat. When it's early like 1 and 2nd down he teaches his QB's to audible to a run, screen, draw, or hot pass to the flats. He also use motion to isolate key match-ups. He also use max protect schemes to get his deep threat off on a one on one match-up. Holgram don't use the same scheme when his QB's face heat. He taught Hasselbach not to depend on the hot read. This is a good approach in madden more so when playing top players. They will cover hot read areas to force you to throw a pick. The key here is using quick passing routes and running press beating routes. At one time we had those routes, but EA removed them. (un-bumpable routes.) There are some still in the game, but no as good as the ones before. Caoch Holgram uses quick releasing routes when teams bring wood. Routes like slants, fades, angle routes, quick outs, ins, and curls. We too in Madden can use some of these routes to help beat the heat. When you use max protect you can have one quick passing route, a deep route, and a hot read. This way you have three options. Shanahan teaches using quick routes and the use of his backs and TE's. He also uses plenty of roll outs plays to get his QB to move his pocket away from the heat. They're are some roll out plays in the game. You can also find plays that have quick releases for your RB and TE's. Teams like KC is a good example. Gonzo and Holmes can kill LB's and DB's. As well as LT and Gates. The people that are rushing in most cases suppose to cover these players. What the defense is hoping is that you will keep them in for protection instead of attacking them. the problem is when defenses attack compressed sets they never know who is going out or who is staying. Plus, if everyone is grouped or bunched this provides better protection.

Buy the guide and try this scheme out. I wil show plays and do break downs in the filmroom as well. This will help us grow together in making this system better than what it is now.

[Gmac24]

This is a very good question that I have missed.

Okay let's look at what you said in the beginning. You said that Gruden and others use this system. They face heat as we do when we are on the sticks. We counter the heat the same way they do. Gruden teaches to hit hot reads and pound the ball when you face heat. When it's early like 1 and 2nd down he teaches his QB's to audible to a run, screen, draw, or hot pass to the flats. He also use motion to isolate key match-ups. He also use max protect schemes to get his deep threat off on a one on one match-up. Holgram don't use the same scheme when his QB's face heat. He taught Hasselbach not to depend on the hot read. This is a good approach in madden more so when playing top players. They will cover hot read areas to force you to throw a pick. The key here is using quick passing routes and running press beating routes. At one time we had those routes, but EA removed them. (un-bumpable routes.) There are some still in the game, but no as good as the ones before. Caoch Holgram uses quick releasing routes when teams bring wood. Routes like slants, fades, angle routes, quick outs, ins, and curls. We too in Madden can use some of these routes to help beat the heat. When you use max protect you can have one quick passing route, a deep route, and a hot read. This way you have three options. Shanahan teaches using quick routes and the use of his backs and TE's. He also uses plenty of roll outs plays to get his QB to move his pocket away from the heat. They're are some roll out plays in the game. You can also find plays that have quick releases for your RB and TE's. Teams like KC is a good example. Gonzo and Holmes can kill LB's and DB's. As well as LT and Gates. The people that are rushing in most cases suppose to cover these players. What the defense is hoping is that you will keep them in for protection instead of attacking them. the problem is when defenses attack compressed sets they never know who is going out or who is staying. Plus, if everyone is grouped or bunched this provides better protection.

Buy the guide and try this scheme out. I wil show plays and do break downs in the filmroom as well. This will help us grow together in making this system better than what it is now.


nice post........

[BigB]

Thanks. Hell that was chapter 5 of the book. LOL :D

[khorn242001]

I'm going to be honest here. I don't "get" the Compression offense in Madden. I know how it's supposed to work -- easy pre-snap reads, overloading zones, making DBs choose who to cover, forcing switch-offs in man coverage -- and I've seen its principles put in use in the NFL (it's what makes Jon Gruden a genius, right?).

But I don't understand how to effectively use it in Madden. Doesn't the blitz just kill you? I mean, since your hot read is probably going to involve throwing into a crowd, couldn't one good LB in a hook zone shut down many of your routes for a second or two? I like to use Singleback Trips Bunch because you can hotroute the outlier WR (the guy on the left -- the Split End?) on a slant if you don't have time for the bunch to develop its routes, but my friends and I call Singleback Tight "Singleback Sack".

I primarily play against the CPU, which switches off man coverage with perfect efficiency and confuses your O-Line with regularity, and maybe that's the problem. But against the CPU (and, by extension, the humans I've played), I prefer to spread the field. I also find it difficult to run out of sets like the I-Close, because all the defenders are right in the box, and there's a greater chance that one of them won't get blocked.

I guess my question is: How do you deal with heat or people stacking the line? Not necessarily the coverage audible "stacking the line", but if you come out in Near Tight Twins, the guy's going to have 9 in the box, and I would bring the strong side safety down (to help with run support and, if necessary, double the TE) for 10.

Since this style has such support on the forums, I really want to understand it, but I don't "get" it. But since it has such support from people who clearly understand football, I really want to understand it. Any help would be helpful.

Gary
Now I for one would kill someone with a deep lob if they were brave enough to put 9 or 10 people in the box... And I use the Cowboys most of the time... You don't have to have Moss to do this... But I know that wasn't really the answer you were looking for... With any kind of bunched set it is pretty easy to tell whether it is man or zone... Of course the playmaker feature could be used but as a whole you should have a good understanding preread of what the defense is in... And if there are that many people up on the line of scrimmage you have to at least max protect and try to go deep... All it takes is one deep td and they should quite stacking the line... And if they don't keep burning them deep... You just have to take what the defense gives you... I know that is cliche but it is so true... If everyone is in the box and you just HAVE to run the ball use tosses, sweeps, and even some counters... But personally I like the tosses and sweeps the best, anything that gets the ball in your rb's hands quickly... And when someone brings the heat hit the area that the blitzers vacated... That is what is so great about the compression... You have routes working together to attack different areas of the field... I would rather face someone that loads up in the box and brings alot of pressure over someone that sits back with 11 men in coverage... The rewards are usually greater... :D

[BigB]

True dat. Hey Khorn we need to hook up one day. :D

[khorn242001]

True dat. Hey Khorn we need to hook up one day. :D
Oh certainly B, it's been WAY too long... I assume you are on the xbox, if so hit me up sometime on line khorn24... My headset is broke cause my kids were playing star wars or something with it... :D But I will probably get another one soon... Thing is I never ever used the headset unless it was some of my boys but they still on the ps2 :rolleyes: ...

[Tadow904]

Oh certainly B, it's been WAY too long... I assume you are on the xbox, if so hit me up sometime on line khorn24... My headset is broke cause my kids were playing star wars or something with it... :D But I will probably get another one soon... Thing is I never ever used the headset unless it was some of my boys but they still on the ps2 :rolleyes: ...

Yo I just wanted to know can I get in this too :D

[BigB]

sure. I want us to get some ideas going so we can expnad on the compression. everyone that has the book. Not to come to take ideas tho, but to toss some stuff around. like a coaching camp. looking at stuff that works and trying out new stuff that others bring to the table.this may also bring back the days of old when we all use to help one another. :(

[khorn242001]

sure. I want us to get some ideas going so we can expnad on the compression. everyone that has the book. Not to come to take ideas tho, but to toss some stuff around. like a coaching camp. looking at stuff that works and trying out new stuff that others bring to the table.this may also bring back the days of old when we all use to help one another. :(
:eek: You mean we can actually start having grown up conversations again??? Wow I remember those days... :D
AIF

[GaryGuanine]

Big B,

I see what you're saying, but I guess I just don't see it translate into Madden from real football. The linemen, for example, get outside more quickly than in past Maddens, but they still can't get out and block the defenders as quickly as I'd expect.

Again, I play primarily against the CPU on All-Madden, which switches off in man coverage with perfect efficiency, and your O-linemen simply miss blocks sometimes (like with a stacked LB/DL), leading to a lot of quick passes. I'm not having trouble with the CPU -- I'm forced to punt maybe once every other game -- but I just want to run the Compression for my own personal edification (and to recognize what all the VG guys are talking about).

I definitely use hot reads and identify the coverages, but I just feel that it takes longer for the compression routes to develop. Also, the CPU's CBs can jump off receivers and onto others with unnatural quickness (Gruden's opposing DBs have to deal with inertia). Since all your receivers are in the same place to start the play, less defenders can cover more receivers early in the play. Again, I recognize the power of the more slowly-developing Compression route combinations, but I feel that they're somewhat limited in the first few seconds of the play.

I probably won't purchase the Compression book because I already bought the Playbook and Filmroom, and though I love VG, I'm a student and have limited resources. I appreciate you not simply saying "Uhh . . . buy the book, man!" It really shows the integrity of VG Sports, I think. :)

khorn,

But if you come out in Near Tight Twins, even with both safeties back there'll be 9 defensive players within 3 yards of the line of scrimmage. I don't see how it automatically translates into a deep lob, especially if the weak side (2 WR) safety plays over the top of the two WRs (I would bring the strong side safety down to potentially double or get outside of the TE).

I haven't done much running outside, though. Maybe that's the key I'm missing. It certainly makes sense, and it's what happens in the NFL, but in previous versions of Madden, outside running was phenomenally bad because the O-linemen were way too slow. I've noticed counters work much better this year (I run a lot of counters from various singleback sets), so maybe tosses or sweeps will work more than I originally found. Thanks for the advice.

Gary

[khorn242001]

Big B,

I see what you're saying, but I guess I just don't see it translate into Madden from real football. The linemen, for example, get outside more quickly than in past Maddens, but they still can't get out and block the defenders as quickly as I'd expect.

Again, I play primarily against the CPU on All-Madden, which switches off in man coverage with perfect efficiency, and your O-linemen simply miss blocks sometimes (like with a stacked LB/DL), leading to a lot of quick passes. I'm not having trouble with the CPU -- I'm forced to punt maybe once every other game -- but I just want to run the Compression for my own personal edification (and to recognize what all the VG guys are talking about).

I definitely use hot reads and identify the coverages, but I just feel that it takes longer for the compression routes to develop. Also, the CPU's CBs can jump off receivers and onto others with unnatural quickness (Gruden's opposing DBs have to deal with inertia). Since all your receivers are in the same place to start the play, less defenders can cover more receivers early in the play. Again, I recognize the power of the more slowly-developing Compression route combinations, but I feel that they're somewhat limited in the first few seconds of the play.

I probably won't purchase the Compression book because I already bought the Playbook and Filmroom, and though I love VG, I'm a student and have limited resources. I appreciate you not simply saying "Uhh . . . buy the book, man!" It really shows the integrity of VG Sports, I think. :)

khorn,

But if you come out in Near Tight Twins, even with both safeties back there'll be 9 defensive players within 3 yards of the line of scrimmage. I don't see how it automatically translates into a deep lob, especially if the weak side (2 WR) safety plays over the top of the two WRs (I would bring the strong side safety down to potentially double or get outside of the TE).

I haven't done much running outside, though. Maybe that's the key I'm missing. It certainly makes sense, and it's what happens in the NFL, but in previous versions of Madden, outside running was phenomenally bad because the O-linemen were way too slow. I've noticed counters work much better this year (I run a lot of counters from various singleback sets), so maybe tosses or sweeps will work more than I originally found. Thanks for the advice.

Gary
Gary, there are ways to get the safeties to bite on the pump fake which leaves your wideouts one on one but thats a whole other discussion lol... But as far as the tosses or sweeps the key is to let your blockers get out in front of you... After you take the toss cut straight upfield just for a second and then cut it outside... It allows your fb or pulliing lineman (depending on what sweep or toss you use) to take the proper angles and get out in front of your rb... Then you just have to follow your blocks and be patient with it... If you practice it and really watch how the defenders and your blockers react to the defenders you will get a feel for it ;) ... Just takes time and remember be patient with it if you get a loss the first few times don't give up stay with it... Try it in practice mode and once you break a long one go back and replay and really watch at how the defenders react to the cuts that your rb made... Once you start understanding that it makes it easier to set your blockers up the next time... :D

[BigB]

Again, I recognize the power of the more slowly-developing Compression route combinations, but I feel that they're somewhat limited in the first few seconds of the play.

I probably won't purchase the Compression book because I already bought the Playbook and Filmroom, and though I love VG, I'm a student and have limited resources. I appreciate you not simply saying "Uhh . . . buy the book, man!" It really shows the integrity of VG Sports, I think. :)

No problem glad to be of help. I have a question tho. How long do it take for a WR to do a slant or a HB hitting the flats? For me 2 seconds for slants, and 1 second for flats. To do a fade route w/ motion one second. The compression routes don't take long. Don't confuse the system w/ marrying of routes, You chose what routes you want to run. In the book I talk about getting the ball off quickly and pass progressions. The sad thing is that if you seen the 201 book many of the things that bother you now would be answered. ;) Thanks for the kind words. I think. :-)

[oouie433]

O.K. I got a question.............

with the odd/even fronts. Say I come out in sb bunch with 3 wr on the strong side and 1 of course, on the weak side. Now the defense is man up (cover 2 under man) with my offense. Now if I motion to one side then I'm still looking at them being man up with me. So where is the odd/even in this type of defense for me to attack with an extra offensive player. I understand the concept of using picks and rubs vs. man, but I REALLY want to understand attacking an odd front with even and vice versa. Or is that only when you read zone?

Since this is a thread about strategy, please no stupid comments from the "peanut gallery". If you can't add to my question, then don't. Thanks.

Love the compression guide, really helps with understanding basic football knowledge that I lack.

[Tadow904]

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O.K. I got a question.............

with the odd/even fronts. Say I come out in sb bunch with 3 wr on the strong side and 1 of course, on the weak side. Now the defense is man up (cover 2 under man) with my offense. Now if I motion to one side then I'm still looking at them being man up with me. So where is the odd/even in this type of defense for me to attack with an extra offensive player. I understand the concept of using picks and rubs vs. man, but I REALLY want to understand attacking an odd front with even and vice versa. Or is that only when you read zone?

Since this is a thread about strategy, please no stupid comments from the "peanut gallery". If you can't add to my question, then don't. Thanks.

Love the compression guide, really helps with understanding basic football knowledge that I lack.
I gothcha if you have the back running a particular route there is your 4th man. Thus giving you an advantage hope this helps you

[oouie433]

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I gothcha if you have the back running a particular route there is your 4th man. Thus giving you an advantage hope this helps you

thanks,

I kinda figured that, but doesn't that mean I have to then sacrifice pass protection which is one of the first rules of the compression to protect? Or is it that I just have to sacrifice that in order to get the 5-10 yds that it will produce.

[Tadow904]

thanks,

I kinda figured that, but doesn't that mean I have to then sacrifice pass protection which is one of the first rules of the compression to protect? Or is it that I just have to sacrifice that in order to get the 5-10 yds that it will produce.

Yea and no if you know youre going to be blitzed then protect and use your combos. or use your quick hitting routes

[oouie433]

Yea and no if you know youre going to be blitzed then protect and use your combos. or use your quick hitting routes

Yea,

I was labbing (hard) last night to try to get my compression system in place, and was playing vs the computer (playing it straight up too, not using plays I know will work everytime). I did a fairly good job of reading the coverages due to the formation shifts and compression and stuff, but it just seemed to be a little cheesy to me because everytime I read blitz, I hit the back or the hot read wr in the flats. I know a human opponent will adjust to this, and because of high heat, I may not get the other routes off. Any advice when playing a human for this.

[Tadow904]

Yea,

I was labbing (hard) last night to try to get my compression system in place, and was playing vs the computer (playing it straight up too, not using plays I know will work everytime). I did a fairly good job of reading the coverages due to the formation shifts and compression and stuff, but it just seemed to be a little cheesy to me because everytime I read blitz, I hit the back or the hot read wr in the flats. I know a human opponent will adjust to this, and because of high heat, I may not get the other routes off. Any advice when playing a human for this.

Yea when that happens he just opened up the flood gates play mind games with him some cats sit on routes when that happens he just been delt with the same rules apply to you when you sit on certain plays or certain routes youre going to be delt with :D

[oouie433]

yea but,

If my wrs are being jammed, and he's blitzing and sitting on my hot read that equals a sack for me right? If he jumps my hot read then I move to my primary target who's being jammed at the line of scrimmage. What then? by the time I move to the 2nd read, my qb is looking up at the stadium lights, and he's yelling in my ear giving congrats to his defense (at least this is what I do lol).

[Tadow904]

yea but,

If my wrs are being jammed, and he's blitzing and sitting on my hot read that equals a sack for me right? If he jumps my hot read then I move to my primary target who's being jammed at the line of scrimmage. What then? by the time I move to the 2nd read, my qb is looking up at the stadium lights, and he's yelling in my ear giving congrats to his defense (at least this is what I do lol).

not all of wr is going to be jammed . use the short developing routes ex slant drag

[SUPDOGG]

Hey Big B!!! Love the book so far. I am being pleasently surprised at how much it has done for my running plays. I am recognizing where my best place (and play) to run the ball. I am also recognizing when it is a good time to audible to a quick slant route, etc. when the defense is overloading, etc. Your comment about prereading the defense in ordre to determine if you will run or pass has "opened my eyes" to the run game, something that has been lacking for sure. Yes, exciting to say the least!! :) So thanks for that right from the get go :) !!!!

FMy question is related to hot reads. You write in the book that the hot read should be your first option (I think that is what you said). So, if I am running the Qk Slants out of the weak-I Tight twins set (Oakland as in the book). My hot read is the FB (or HB too I think) in the flats.

Now, after the snap am I looking to the flat "alley" or am I looking to the slant route "alley"?

In other words is my first look always going to be to the flats, and then if I sense heat I try to go to him, or do I look at my primary route and if I sense heat then go to the flat? Or is it a combination of both?

Anyway, the book is already worht its price to me. I look forward to running the ball again. Thanks for the great work!!! :D

peace

[oouie433]

Hey Big B!!! Love the book so far. I am being pleasently surprised at how much it has done for my running plays. I am recognizing where my best place (and play) to run the ball. I am also recognizing when it is a good time to audible to a quick slant route, etc. when the defense is overloading, etc. Your comment about prereading the defense in ordre to determine if you will run or pass has "opened my eyes" to the run game, something that has been lacking for sure. Yes, exciting to say the least!! :) So thanks for that right from the get go :) !!!!

FMy question is related to hot reads. You write in the book that the hot read should be your first option (I think that is what you said). So, if I am running the Qk Slants out of the weak-I Tight twins set (Oakland as in the book). My hot read is the FB (or HB too I think) in the flats.

Now, after the snap am I looking to the flat "alley" or am I looking to the slant route "alley"?

In other words is my first look always going to be to the flats, and then if I sense heat I try to go to him, or do I look at my primary route and if I sense heat then go to the flat? Or is it a combination of both?

Anyway, the book is already worht its price to me. I look forward to running the ball again. Thanks for the great work!!! :D

peace


The book is good like I said in my earlier post. I also got another question to piggyback on his. What determines the primary route? In some of the plays that is in the playbook, the primary route isn't my primary read a lot of times (even after I formation shift). So what's the criteria I should be looking for in making something my primary read?

[oouie433]

The book is good like I said in my earlier post. I also got another question to piggyback on his. What determines the primary route? In some of the plays that is in the playbook, the primary route isn't my primary read a lot of times (even after I formation shift). So what's the criteria I should be looking for in making something my primary read?

I guess I should have played football instead of basketball. I got all kinds of game knowledge with b-ball, but still learning football.............

[Tadow904]

The book is good like I said in my earlier post. I also got another question to piggyback on his. What determines the primary route? In some of the plays that is in the playbook, the primary route isn't my primary read a lot of times (even after I formation shift). So what's the criteria I should be looking for in making something my primary read?

You gotta go through your progressions and look off

[Blitz716]

Have you tried Washington playbook?


Ive Just started using it this week, I love the plays on the different formation shifts, And all the compression plays. I may stick with this or raiders both look great... :cool:

[Tadow904]

Ive Just started using it this week, I love the plays on the different formation shifts, And all the compression plays. I may stick with this or raiders both look great... :cool:

I started messing with it last week i'm still working on it singlebackforms is where the jump off

[SupaManu]

I just started messin with the Raiders and I really like that PB...its got good compression and alot of routes and combos that I like. I might give washington a shot soon and see what I can do with that one.

[Blitz716]

yea but,

If my wrs are being jammed, and he's blitzing and sitting on my hot read that equals a sack for me right? If he jumps my hot read then I move to my primary target who's being jammed at the line of scrimmage. What then? by the time I move to the 2nd read, my qb is looking up at the stadium lights, and he's yelling in my ear giving congrats to his defense (at least this is what I do lol).


If he is Blitzing and is jamming, I would run the ball to the side with the least blitzers, and if its a saftey blitz and he is jamming at the line, I will run to a side where the fewest blitzers are coming from and if that saftey is coming and you have a little stick or spin and break it open, It can be nothing but taking it to the house.. I also Do chop Block options (Smart Route) with my TE. and run the back in that direction...Blitzing doesnt always mean you have to keep your back in all the time to protect..It depends how and where the heat is coming. And then make adjustments. or motions a TE , slide protection ect, it also depends on the personal of you and your opponent. I like to know the weakness of my opponents, like in League games and look and see where in the line should I run or what side of the field Ill pass ect. its a chess match, thats for sure. I like to lab with my oppents team and try as much as I can to exploit every waekness I can, and Know where yours are is also important.

[BigB]

You gotta go through your progressions and look off

I would say the same thing too. There maybe a a timing problem also.

[mlm918]

Hey B

I Fell In Love With The Pit Pb. It Has Some Compression Sets. I'am Going Over Your Book Real Hard. I Think We Need To Have A Discussion On The B-n-r In The Zone Cover 3. If You Can't Figure It Out It Will Mess You Up, Because It Looks Like Cover 2. Instead The Corners Run With Wr's. The Only Thing I Have Found So Far That Works Is Streaks. I'll Continue To Lab. And See What I Can Find. We Need To Lab Soon, And Talk About The Ideas I Have. Later Natee

[CanadianPimp]

I desperately need some opinions here. I'm pretty new to the compression and don't really understand the whole concept, not to mention how to use it effectively.

I'm recently struggling on offense quite a bit, especially when it comes to passing. I roll with the Jags and use the Vikings Playbook. It seems like my passing game is mostly Fred Taylor in the flats, and PA deep lobs to Matt Jones. I want to be able to move the ball more consistently in the air. Considering that I use the Vikings PB, which of these ebooks would help me most offensively: Vikings PB or Compression 201?

Thanks to anyone who responds.

[Westbrook]

B, in the book you describe the C route, steak and flat but down't show a diagram of the play. I assume you are reffering to a play like the weak I-twin WR TE Option play in the Oak PB?

PS-Big B or anyone hot got the book, what PB and Play was used for the Post, Curl Flat section and the Pump and Go, Steak-Curl write up?

[GaryGuanine]

Big B,

Absolutely I meant them as kind words. Honestly. Sorry if it didn't sound that way. :)

I guess I don't use as much motion as you seem to be talking about. Motioning the WRs or other players out can really create a mismatch, I guess. Especially with Compression.

khorn,

Thanks for the info. I'll try those out.

Gary

[BigB]

Hey B

I Fell In Love With The Pit Pb. It Has Some Compression Sets. I'am Going Over Your Book Real Hard. I Think We Need To Have A Discussion On The B-n-r In The Zone Cover 3. If You Can't Figure It Out It Will Mess You Up, Because It Looks Like Cover 2. Instead The Corners Run With Wr's. The Only Thing I Have Found So Far That Works Is Streaks. I'll Continue To Lab. And See What I Can Find. We Need To Lab Soon, And Talk About The Ideas I Have. Later Natee

okay hit me up tommorow I'm off the next 4 days.

[BigB]

B, in the book you describe the C route, steak and flat but down't show a diagram of the play. I assume you are reffering to a play like the weak I-twin WR TE Option play in the Oak PB?

PS-Big B or anyone hot got the book, what PB and Play was used for the Post, Curl Flat section and the Pump and Go, Steak-Curl write up?

Yeah your right. I think I talked about it and did the play without showing the routes.

[BigB]

Big B,

Absolutely I meant them as kind words. Honestly. Sorry if it didn't sound that way. :)

I guess I don't use as much motion as you seem to be talking about. Motioning the WRs or other players out can really create a mismatch, I guess. Especially with Compression.

khorn,

Thanks for the info. I'll try those out.

Gary

No doubt dawg. You take care no harm done Gary.

[Tadow904]

I desperately need some opinions here. I'm pretty new to the compression and don't really understand the whole concept, not to mention how to use it effectively.

I'm recently struggling on offense quite a bit, especially when it comes to passing. I roll with the Jags and use the Vikings Playbook. It seems like my passing game is mostly Fred Taylor in the flats, and PA deep lobs to Matt Jones. I want to be able to move the ball more consistently in the air. Considering that I use the Vikings PB, which of these ebooks would help me most offensively: Vikings PB or Compression 201?

Thanks to anyone who responds.
Both the compression is a scheme that has been used in all levels of football when you buy the compression book you will get ideas on how to run it effectively and the Vikings PB will give you breakdowns on plays so buy them both you'll like them

[khorn242001]

Big B,

Absolutely I meant them as kind words. Honestly. Sorry if it didn't sound that way. :)

I guess I don't use as much motion as you seem to be talking about. Motioning the WRs or other players out can really create a mismatch, I guess. Especially with Compression.

khorn,

Thanks for the info. I'll try those out.

Gary
No problem Gary... Let me know if I can be of any help with it... :D

[khorn242001]

Yo I just wanted to know can I get in this too :D
Certainly... Sorry I missed your post... Anytime you want to get a game or work on something let me know...

[BigB]

I desperately need some opinions here. I'm pretty new to the compression and don't really understand the whole concept, not to mention how to use it effectively.

I'm recently struggling on offense quite a bit, especially when it comes to passing. I roll with the Jags and use the Vikings Playbook. It seems like my passing game is mostly Fred Taylor in the flats, and PA deep lobs to Matt Jones. I want to be able to move the ball more consistently in the air. Considering that I use the Vikings PB, which of these ebooks would help me most offensively: Vikings PB or Compression 201?

Thanks to anyone who responds.

Compression 201. This is if you want to study the compression system.

[BigB]

Certainly... Sorry I missed your post... Anytime you want to get a game or work on something let me know...

things are starting to get back to the way they use to be. I likes. :D

[rank is dumb]

One of the problems I have running my style of the comperssion offense is I have too many plays I like. I never know what ones to use, hell half the time I don't even remember to use them. Either way I love to run the ball with the Washington book and I have been finding more and more plays to pass with everyday... Still need to improve my passing just a bit. Run game is SIIIIIIIIIICK!!

[SUPDOGG]

Hey Big B!!! Love the book so far. I am being pleasently surprised at how much it has done for my running plays. I am recognizing where my best place (and play) to run the ball. I am also recognizing when it is a good time to audible to a quick slant route, etc. when the defense is overloading, etc. Your comment about prereading the defense in ordre to determine if you will run or pass has "opened my eyes" to the run game, something that has been lacking for sure. Yes, exciting to say the least!! :) So thanks for that right from the get go :) !!!!

FMy question is related to hot reads. You write in the book that the hot read should be your first option (I think that is what you said). So, if I am running the Qk Slants out of the weak-I Tight twins set (Oakland as in the book). My hot read is the FB (or HB too I think) in the flats.

Now, after the snap am I looking to the flat "alley" or am I looking to the slant route "alley"?

In other words is my first look always going to be to the flats, and then if I sense heat I try to go to him, or do I look at my primary route and if I sense heat then go to the flat? Or is it a combination of both?

Anyway, the book is already worht its price to me. I look forward to running the ball again. Thanks for the great work!!! :D

peace

Anyone have any thoughts on this? thanks.

[khorn242001]

Anyone have any thoughts on this? thanks.
Supdog, this is only my opinion on the subject... My reads and the orders of them are not necessarily the same evertime I run a certain play... For example, say I am running a pass play where my fl is running a slant, my se is running a drag, and my back is running a flare out of the backfield.. If I come up to the line and see my opponent manning up on me and bringing heavy pressure than my first read might be the slant, second the flare, and third may be the drag... Ok say I run the same exact play later in the game and my presnap read is that they are in some kind of zone... My routes are the same but my order of my reads may change... Does that make sense??? :confused: My first read may now be the drag, second might be the slant, and last may be the flare.. Not necessarily in that order just trying to give you an example of how my order may or may not be the same depending on my presnap read.. I hope that makes sense... :D I just don't want you to think that everytime you run a certain play that you look here first than here than here.. I think that is determined by your presnap reads...

[BigB]

Anyone have any thoughts on this? thanks.

You said a mouth full dawg. Ok when I was talking about pass progression I was speaking on this part of it. In the QK Slants play I would curl the SE. Now after that my hot reads are the FB and the Slant in the middle. I would have my FB blocking and at times my TE. I would streak the TE if I feel I want the slant. Now if the defense comes out and press me up I would make the FB my 1st read. The Slant would be second and the curl would be my las read. This would only take 2-3 seconds. If the flats are covered I know that someone from the middle or linemen is covering it. This means the middel is sweet. If the middle isn't sweet I hit the curl. Alley defender look off is the area you may lead the pass to. You're alley would be the middle and the flats. You have gotten the hang of things quickly here in that little time. proud of ya.

[SUPDOGG]

Thanks for the clarification guys, I appreciated it!!!! :D

[BigB]

My man your quite welcome. ;)

[nothasoul]

BigB i think i got it! I started playing with the Shotgun sets to give me more time to throw. So let me brake it down. I come out in a four wide set motion to see if it's man or zone. if it's man i will keep the routes i want then hotroute the rest that will also beat man. Easy read. Know when it come to zone the best way to attack any zone is to flood it with wrs. Know what i do is motion the wr to flood one side then hotroute the outside wr to a fade then put the motioned wr to a out route or a drag to occupy the cb and the middle wr is left in a post or a slant in or out to mix it up.if the person comes out in a dime, quarters or nickel it's eather a cover 2 or three so watch the nickleback that is playing underneath and then make your progresion because the short route is closed but the fade an the post occupy the gaps in the zone that the cb left because it has to respect the wr underneath. know i also found if you put your hb on a streak it will occupty the safty beause they have to respect him and that will leave the fade even more wide open. Know the cover4 is not that hard to brake because the underneath routes will be open because the defence will be playing back first then adjust to depth. What do you think BigB? I read the compression 201 about three time know and still find more stuff to learn everytime i read it, that's some really powerfull stuff man.

[Tadow904]

Certainly... Sorry I missed your post... Anytime you want to get a game or work on something let me know...

Hit me on Xbox : Stolenqtown or PS2 James904

[BigB]

BigB i think i got it! I started playing with the Shotgun sets to give me more time to throw. So let me brake it down. I come out in a four wide set motion to see if it's man or zone. if it's man i will keep the routes i want then hotroute the rest that will also beat man. Easy read. Know when it come to zone the best way to attack any zone is to flood it with wrs. Know what i do is motion the wr to flood one side then hotroute the outside wr to a fade then put the motioned wr to a out route or a drag to occupy the cb and the middle wr is left in a post or a slant in or out to mix it up.if the person comes out in a dime, quarters or nickel it's eather a cover 2 or three so watch the nickleback that is playing underneath and then make your progresion because the short route is closed but the fade an the post occupy the gaps in the zone that the cb left because it has to respect the wr underneath. know i also found if you put your hb on a streak it will occupty the safty beause they have to respect him and that will leave the fade even more wide open. Know the cover4 is not that hard to brake because the underneath routes will be open because the defence will be playing back first then adjust to depth. What do you think BigB? I read the compression 201 about three time know and still find more stuff to learn everytime i read it, that's some really powerfull stuff man.


I know that's right dawg. LOL Just be careful when guys play with the man lock off tho. treat it as if it was zone.

[stickskills1]

Big B,
I've been labbing the Titans pb using the compression style. When I started I found a bunch of plays that I was crazy about but when it came to game time, I found myself trying to find the right play for the right situation. This past weekend, I've spent hours scripting my plays onto a play call sheet. I've got about 20 plays scripted. I played the CPU and found that I've got plenty of time to read the defense after I've selected my play. I ended up with more rushing yards than passing yards. I know that's not saying alot, but the fact that my plays where scripted, removed alot of the guessing during my play calling. One other thing, scripting gives me enough time to "move routes." Good work!

[BigB]

Hmm as long as you feel that this guide helped improved your game....I'm str8. :D

[nothasoul]

I know that's right dawg. LOL Just be careful when guys play with the man lock off tho. treat it as if it was zone.

Wouldn't that leave a mismatch for the offence to exploit?

[RAZOR]

ok,
im getting pic trowing to the flats.

Back appears open to the flats and as soon as i trow it the db on that side comes off his wr to cover back. Is this like zone flat coverage?

[Tadow904]

Hey Big B u tryed Weak I Twins WR raider Fade this play is sick

[SUPDOGG]

Hey Big B u tryed Weak I Twins WR raider Fade this play is sick

Yes I like this play. How do you use it? What are your reads, etc.

[Tadow904]

Yes I like this play. How do you use it? What are your reads, etc.

I go to the post first post second fade third FYI both backs Pass protect

[pepper spray]

ok,
im getting pic trowing to the flats.

Back appears open to the flats and as soon as i trow it the db on that side comes off his wr to cover back. Is this like zone flat coverage?


This is zone cover 2 - The CB are suppose to just bump the wr at the LOS but will return back to the area.

Beat this with Post routes, C, and steaks.

[BigB]

ok,
im getting pic trowing to the flats.

Back appears open to the flats and as soon as i trow it the db on that side comes off his wr to cover back. Is this like zone flat coverage?Yep sure is buddy. ;)

[BigB]

Hey Big B u tryed Weak I Twins WR raider Fade this play is sick

Very nice play for man or zone. Man the post, zone the fade. ;)

[BigB]

Wouldn't that leave a mismatch for the offence to exploit?

True. The key is that on defense you want to hide what your doing. So just be aware of things like this. Yes you will have a mismatch and you will use the un-covered wr theory also.

[Dazed N Confuse]

Got the compression book. I have one question. I use the seahawks PB.

On the play singleback strong slot. When I do the adjustments and try to hit the guy running the slant to the outside he drops the ball A LOT!! I practiced this play about 50 times last night. My WR droped 80% of them. Do I need to lead the pass? Do I trow it behind him. It seems that he needs to make an akward adjustment.

Thanks guys.

[The Strategist]

Got the compression book. I have one question. I use the seahawks PB.

On the play singleback strong slot. When I do the adjustments and try to hit the guy running the slant to the outside he drops the ball A LOT!! I practiced this play about 50 times last night. My WR droped 80% of them. Do I need to lead the pass? Do I trow it behind him. It seems that he needs to make an akward adjustment.

Thanks guys.

I also use the Seattle book. The reason he drops the ball is because he is out of position since you motion him from the TE spot. Do this: Have the Slotstrong play in your 'R1 Audibles', then call any play from Near Jumbo w/ the WR Wing Package. Audible to the R1 Play then shift to the tight doubles formation (left). Now the WR (Wing) will catch the ball because his CTH rating won't take a hit.

Hope this helps.

[Dazed N Confuse]

I also use the Seattle book. The reason he drops the ball is because he is out of position since you motion him from the TE spot. Do this: Have the Slotstrong play in your 'R1 Audibles', then call any play from Near Jumbo w/ the WR Wing Package. Audible to the R1 Play then shift to the tight doubles formation (left). Now the WR (Wing) will catch the ball because his CTH rating won't take a hit.

Hope this helps.

Thanks a bunch. I will give this a try. I thought it was just me. He did look out of postion though.

[sportsfan73]

I like the book a lot. Has some valuable tip but I wish there were more plays from the seattle and Raiders PB. I have been using the Raiders PB since Oct but recently been labbing the Seattle PB. I can execute the Seattle plays better for some reason than the Raiders Pb but I think the Raiders PB has a lot more money "per say" plays, IMO. I started labbing versus the Ravens with the Seattle PB and I found a couple sweet plays in the SB trips formation like the PA play and the back side slant play(I think it's called) but have been getting sacked a lot. I am completely chnaging my style of play which used to be 2 back everything to SB along with some I Form, Far, Near, Strong.

I do have a question bigb, how did you shorten your route? It really did not say how to do that in your compession book.

[ayekyek]

this site is cool as hell, i must've spent my past 20 hours just reading everyone's input

good ****, madd respect for the admin of this site

[evad04]

this site is cool as hell, i must've spent my past 20 hours just reading everyone's input

good ****, madd respect for the admin of this site
Welcome to the forums! :)

[Dazed N Confuse]

this site is cool as hell, i must've spent my past 20 hours just reading everyone's input

good ****, madd respect for the admin of this site


Welcome to the boards.

[BigB]

I like the book a lot. Has some valuable tip but I wish there were more plays from the seattle and Raiders PB. I have been using the Raiders PB since Oct but recently been labbing the Seattle PB. I can execute the Seattle plays better for some reason than the Raiders Pb but I think the Raiders PB has a lot more money "per say" plays, IMO. I started labbing versus the Ravens with the Seattle PB and I found a couple sweet plays in the SB trips formation like the PA play and the back side slant play(I think it's called) but have been getting sacked a lot. I am completely chnaging my style of play which used to be 2 back everything to SB along with some I Form, Far, Near, Strong.

I do have a question bigb, how did you shorten your route? It really did not say how to do that in your compession book.

Use the 1st down feature. You can extend or shorten a route when you use it. The thing is when you pull routes of mirror them if the route is short before you start..then it will be deeper afterwards. (except when you mirror routes the other side will be short.) If the route is deep and you extend it...it will become shorter. Like in the play in the raiders book when Moss has the slant fade route. When you extend it..it shortens the route.

[SuPeRfLyKiD]

Hey Bigb, I've been labbing the Oakland PB lately and I'm loving the Weak I sets. My only question is which plays do you like to run when your opponent is blitzing a lot and playing bump and run?

[mstaple]

Det Pb has some nice compression sets :D :D :D

Too bad they do not have any players who could run it. :D

[BigB]

Hey Bigb, I've been labbing the Oakland PB lately and I'm loving the Weak I sets. My only question is which plays do you like to run when your opponent is blitzing a lot and playing bump and run?

Any play that i can hit the flats and do slants. I also like to run a toss or counter or two. The line seems to pick up blocks better when people blitz.

[mgplaya2005]

i just recieved the compression last night after a week of waiting and all i gotta say is good job its gonna be really helpful another job well done Big B!


HOLLA!!!!!!!!

[JIMMYJONES]

I am hopeful that I get mine after a week plus of waiting tonight or tommorrow. Before I get home is all I need.... One night of studying and a Thursday night of handing out beatings...

[xShowTymex]

Hey BigB, since you kno all about the compression sets and things like that.. Can you help me out with the fade route play in the WEAK I Tight Twins in OAK's PB. in what part do i motion the reciever thats going on the fade.. Im gonna buy your' compression guide soon. But i need help with this ASAP.
Thnks.

[BigB]

i just recieved the compression last night after a week of waiting and all i gotta say is good job its gonna be really helpful another job well done Big B!


HOLLA!!!!!!!!

Thanks for buying the guide. I hope it help you like it has others. I need to really hit the lab and get my ish right. I have been doing so much work here and at home my timing is mad off. Oh, my bad we were talking about the guide. LOL Thanks for getting it and enjoy.

[BigB]

I am hopeful that I get mine after a week plus of waiting tonight or tommorrow. Before I get home is all I need.... One night of studying and a Thursday night of handing out beatings...

hey did you send me your email stuff and your name? I will send it to bert asap once I do.

[BigB]

Hey BigB, since you kno all about the compression sets and things like that.. Can you help me out with the fade route play in the WEAK I Tight Twins in OAK's PB. in what part do i motion the reciever thats going on the fade.. Im gonna buy your' compression guide soon. But i need help with this ASAP.
Thnks.

Well why motion him when you can formation shift and then maybe use motion? ;) Lab that a bit and you will see what I'm saying.

[xShowTymex]

Well why motion him when you can formation shift and then maybe use motion? ;) Lab that a bit and you will see what I'm saying.
Yea man thnks. no doubt ill lab it.

[Skinsman 68]

I bought the Book and its awesome, even better than last year. Plus, you combine the book with the last few weeks Filmroom breakdowns of some formations from the Skins Playbook and now Redskins playbook users have a lot of weapons at their disposal. Great job!

One question though...in the Marrying routes section, you talk about the Quck Smash Route/Play, but the pictures are identical to the pictures and routes shown for the Streak/ C-Route/ Curl combo. Was that a mistake or does that combo contain a Quick Smash play in it? I am not real familiar with the Quick Smash so forgive me if I am ignorant. If it was a mistake then I wanted to bring it to your attention, if no one has yet.

And BTW...HOW BOUT THEM REDSKINS!!!! :)

[BigB]

I bought the Book and its awesome, even better than last year. Plus, you combine the book with the last few weeks Filmroom breakdowns of some formations from the Skins Playbook and now Redskins playbook users have a lot of weapons at their disposal. Great job!

One question though...in the Marrying routes section, you talk about the Quck Smash Route/Play, but the pictures are identical to the pictures and routes shown for the Streak/ C-Route/ Curl combo. Was that a mistake or does that combo contain a Quick Smash play in it? I am not real familiar with the Quick Smash so forgive me if I am ignorant. If it was a mistake then I wanted to bring it to your attention, if no one has yet.

And BTW...HOW BOUT THEM REDSKINS!!!! :)


You're right. The quick smash combo is tight. The pic wasn't shown and you were right. There were two typo that are in the book. I'm sorry about that. Thanks for getting the book.

[SUPDOGG]

Hey BigB, since you kno all about the compression sets and things like that.. Can you help me out with the fade route play in the WEAK I Tight Twins in OAK's PB. in what part do i motion the reciever thats going on the fade.. Im gonna buy your' compression guide soon. But i need help with this ASAP.
Thnks.

I was looking for this play and could not find it in Oak's PB. Could you be more specific i.e. what play is it/what do you formation shift too,/ Do you use this concept vs. man or zone, how does it work for you, etc. Please let me know. Thanks.

[Skinsman 68]

You're right. The quick smash combo is tight. The pic wasn't shown and you were right. There were two typo that are in the book. I'm sorry about that. Thanks for getting the book.

No problem B. With all the work you put into it, only 2 typos is pretty impressive.

Since I know you are quite familiar with the Skins Playbook, is there a better overall Compression Play then the SB 4 WR Stack Corner Cross? I haven't found one yet. The Filmroom has some great stuff for the Skins PB, but IMO, this play is the mother of all plays to run the compression from the Skins PB. You can hot route the various receivers and then use motion to get into about 75% of the Route combos you talked about last year and in this year's book. The HB swing route coming out of the backfield is a great hot read, especially if you are using a good multi-purpose HB like Portis, Tomlinson, Holmes, etc. Sometimes, I have even gotten the HB to catch a deflection 20-30 yards downfield because while his route goes through the flats, it then extends out into a streak pattern. The only problem is that it can be difficult at times to get your best personnel exactly where you want them.

In any event, I was curious as to what people thought about this play.

[Ashyr113]

ok... so I've been reading vg for a long time now, I had the filmroom for NCAA last year and I was blown away by its effectiveness... however, my madden game is lacking, and I'd like to jazz it up a notch... I come in here looking for some strategy... and this Compression offense is very interesting to me... however I hear you all talking about a Compression playbook for madden 06 but my friends... WHERE can i find this playbook. There are no links to find this playbook... I have found one for 2005, but not 2006. and VG's site is VERY lacking when it comes to directing someone to their products... please someone drop me a link on where I can find this playbook, and perhapse the Vikings playbook etc... and other helpful products for Madden 06... I've looked and i'm coming up empty. thanks

Ash

[VG_Bert]

Here you go:

Virtual Playbook for Madden 2006 (http://www.maddentips.com)

Virtual Filmroom for Madden (http://www.maddentips.com/maddenfilmroom.html

Kobra's Guide to the Vikings Playbook (http://www.maddentips.com/vikings)

Philly Ron's Guide to the Titans Playbook (http://www.maddentips.com/titans)

Big B's Guide to the Compression Offense 201 (http://www.maddentips.com/compression201)

[Ashyr113]

THANK YOU!!!

exactly what I needed... i'm off to get it now... :D

[Westbrook]

judging by the number of responses in the two threads it seems alot of poeple run the compression or are intrested in it at least. If anyone is on the ps2 and would like to get some lab time hit me up "Westytuff". I figure if we can get a group going we can also learn something from each other and be able to help one another out.

[mgplaya2005]

i would be more than happy to help u out my man PSC TIP 24s send me a friendly

[SUPDOGG]

Im in My name is "pessiboy" on ps2 and I got a headset.

[easportsfan73]

Use the 1st down feature. You can extend or shorten a route when you use it. The thing is when you pull routes of mirror them if the route is short before you start..then it will be deeper afterwards. (except when you mirror routes the other side will be short.) If the route is deep and you extend it...it will become shorter. Like in the play in the raiders book when Moss has the slant fade route. When you extend it..it shortens the route.

Wow! Thats awesome. It adds so much more to each PB. I still like that Sea PB but am considering the Det PB over Christmas. What would u say your most used formations out of the DET PB are besides the Near and Far Twins?

[BigB]

Tight slots in the singleback sets

[mgplaya2005]

Wow! Thats awesome. It adds so much more to each PB. I still like that Sea PB but am considering the Det PB over Christmas. What would u say your most used formations out of the DET PB are besides the Near and Far Twins?

also check out the i form twins and the spilt back twins....NASTY!!!!

[GMONEY]

Yeah I agree the pro forms twins is nice. I really like the Texas play for short yardage. The te option route is good against zone se runs a C route, so hot route slot on a streak and look for se.

Also the R3 audibles are cool.
R3 right slot corner
R3 up Flats se does a deep post, slot runs a dig route, both backs flats
R3 left play action

[duo]

anyone wanna lab with me tonite using the compression offense. about 8 ish pac time look me up " punisher9321 thanks

[SUPDOGG]

I may be around. Illl tyr and look you up. peace

[BigB]

I have been labbing online with my man Squeeze on some new schemes. Man if you really want your compression to be off the chain you really need to get into using packages w/ motion. I was running sets with the HB at slot and moving guys around it was fun as hell. I ran my old motion offense with packages and it was decent. I find that timing is key when playing madden and watching the player they control. Thanks Squeeze for the lab work last night.

[seven7]

I find that timing is key when playing madden and watching the player they control.
i cant do crap vs ppl who play quarter man spy all game and just roam the field with the lb all game. i know good players would have no problem with that but since quarter can stop the run, it does get frusting. i mean how do you pass w/ so many guys all over the field?

[BigB]

i cant do crap vs ppl who play quarter man spy all game and just roam the field with the lb all game. i know good players would have no problem with that but since quarter can stop the run, it does get frusting. i mean how do you pass w/ so many guys all over the field?

You throw slants, hit the flats, and use the FB Dive out of any running formation, and use HB Slam or Plunge in singlebcak big or any singleback set. Again, when we lab things out you can see plenty of holes. You work the weaker match-ups and pass lead up. Not every person on the field is as strong as the starting DB's. Many people have brought the book and have no problems. They may have a problem or two with minor things. I had a guy do the same thing to me two days ago. I just popped off some slants. Then he ran down to where I was hitting and I went to another WR. He then brought some heat, and I hit the flats. When he went back to the same thing again I pounded him with the FB dive getting 4-5 a pop w/ no juke. Then he sat in the area where I was running and pinched the line. I ran a damn counter on him. Then I ran hurry up and popped off a deep ball to Toomer off the PA. Take what they give you and pick them a part. I had to lab to understand how to beat this type of scheme. The book is a 5 month lab session of butt whoopins I took and gave. I was very frustrated when I got smacked, but those smacking was done to help you have a better understanding of the scheme. Read the book, lab what was done to you, and look at how you can counter some of these things. You can't lab someone stick, but you can expose the underlining defense that there are running. Like you said the compression is hard to stop, make the people you play understand that and feel that. Any scheme is hard to run when you never had ran it before. You wil take lumps. I have taken many. This is one of the few games that an unexperienced player can hold his own vs. a vet if the play smart. It will be hard. Just take it a step at a time and lab it. have someone run around with the LB and you practice exposing it.

[GMONEY]

i cant do crap vs ppl who play quarter man spy all game and just roam the field with the lb all game. i know good players would have no problem with that but since quarter can stop the run, it does get frusting. i mean how do you pass w/ so many guys all over the field?

Firstly pay close attention to B's most exquiste post. I am going to study that post myself.

Now to your post. Personally I feel your pain about those players who run a safety or lb into the vision cone. Used to drive me crazy. But as Aristotle said: "Know thyself". What this means is based on the presnap read have an idea where you are going to throw the ball on a pass. Once you know who you are throwing the rock to then switch the cone the other way and watch fool move his player and then quickly switch back to who you originally wanted to throw to. You should have a nice completion. ie. Want to throw to the 0 receiver then switch to triangle and back to 0. You get the idea.

Take some time labbing with yourself and go back online. Happy hunting.

[RAZOR]

You throw slants, hit the flats, and use the FB Dive out of any running formation, and use HB Slam or Plunge in singlebcak big or any singleback set. Again, when we lab things out you can see plenty of holes. You work the weaker match-ups and pass lead up. Not every person on the field is as strong as the starting DB's. Many people have brought the book and have no problems. They may have a problem or two with minor things. I had a guy do the same thing to me two days ago. I just popped off some slants. Then he ran down to where I was hitting and I went to another WR. He then brought some heat, and I hit the flats. When he went back to the same thing again I pounded him with the FB dive getting 4-5 a pop w/ no juke. Then he sat in the area where I was running and pinched the line. I ran a damn counter on him. Then I ran hurry up and popped off a deep ball to Toomer off the PA. Take what they give you and pick them a part. I had to lab to understand how to beat this type of scheme. The book is a 5 month lab session of butt whoopins I took and gave. I was very frustrated when I got smacked, but those smacking was done to help you have a better understanding of the scheme. Read the book, lab what was done to you, and look at how you can counter some of these things. You can't lab someone stick, but you can expose the underlining defense that there are running. Like you said the compression is hard to stop, make the people you play understand that and feel that. Any scheme is hard to run when you never had ran it before. You wil take lumps. I have taken many. This is one of the few games that an unexperienced player can hold his own vs. a vet if the play smart. It will be hard. Just take it a step at a time and lab it. have someone run around with the LB and you practice exposing it.

Whats the best book to run the falcons with

[mgplaya2005]

Whats the best book to run the falcons with

detroit hands down i use the falcons and even though u in the league wit me(NFL FO REAL- im the saints) i would be willin to give u some tips if u like

[RAZOR]

is the tips before or after we play each other-lol

[mgplaya2005]

is the tips before or after we play each other-lol

i have a headset so we can chat during the game if u have one

[RAZOR]

ok thats a bet

[Madden26]

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Gamespot.com i think from there its madden nfl 06 game guide. if you need help from there email me,,,, Wade2213@yahoo.com.... This is my first time checking this forum out,,its pretty cool......... Game tag on xbox Wade26

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[Tadow904]

also check out the i form twins and the spilt back twins....NASTY!!!!
Believe it not bro Singleback sets is what makes this book tick

[mgplaya2005]

Believe it not bro Singleback sets is what makes this book tick
so ive heard i am actin labbin right now tryin to incorportae the singleback sets into my Off

[Tadow904]

so ive heard i am actin labbin right now tryin to incorportae the singleback sets into my Off
Holla at ya boy i'll hook ya up with some i found so far.

[mgplaya2005]

thats a bet.....i see u got the 904 in ur screname where u stay at in duval?

[Tadow904]

thats a bet.....i see u got the 904 in ur screname where u stay at in duval?

yea bro but i'm stationed here in quantico va

[duo]

this site is cool as hell, i must've spent my past 20 hours just reading everyone's input

good ****, madd respect for the admin of this site




welcome to the boards bro :)

[feardaram]

i bought the book, pretty good stuff. i do have some questions....

what are odd and even fronts? why are they important? examples? i see them mentioned in the book but i dont see much of an explanation?

it talks about when to run the ball and when to not, somewhat. im not completely understanding this section, seems unclear or incomplete. any explanations?

thanks!

[JTMoney]

Hey Big B...Not sure if you've been asked but how about a guide to the Washington playbook? I know I'm not the only person that likes/uses this PB how about a guide that deals specifically w/plays out of it like The Vikings book or the Titans book...

[BigB]

Okay. When I spoke on that it was from last year. Odd and even fronts deal with the defensive line and the secondary. When the defesne is in a 3-4 that's and odd front. 4 down linemen is even. Now if the defense come out in a dime the defense is in an even front. The same amount of db's on both sides. Quarters and nickel are odd fronts. The reason I talked about this is to help you size up your pre-reads. Many get caught up in reading man or zone. Making these pre-reads help you understand what is important. If you should run or pass. This along with how many people that are in the box and who they're controlling on the defense. This helps you to understand on how to attack the defense and to help you move the ball easier.

[BigB]

Hey Big B...Not sure if you've been asked but how about a guide to the Washington playbook? I know I'm not the only person that likes/uses this PB how about a guide that deals specifically w/plays out of it like The Vikings book or the Titans book...

I did a run in the filmroom on washington playbook. As for a guide, I want be able to do one. I love Washinton playbook, but pass protection is something that gives me a problem. The singleback is decent and you can do damage.

[rank is dumb]

I did a run in the filmroom on washington playbook. As for a guide, I want be able to do one. I love Washinton playbook, but pass protection is something that gives me a problem. The singleback is decent and you can do damage.

I would like to donate a few plays out of that same formation that are very good. Or lets just say a couple plays that when used together are damn good..


Big B you showed the 3 te set in washington.. The plays you like to use..

Here is a couple I like also...I like to use the diffrent motions you can do with this set. If you motion your #1 TE you create a Strong I Bunch TE flip formation.. I like to run the HB counter with this motion along with HB plunge and PA boot. Its a good way to get the Def to cheat over and make the HB boot really effective..

If you motion your #2nd string te you create a Twin TE flip bunch set. just a few other things you can do to make this set harder to defend..

ALl the TE motions in this formation create weird blocking fronts. I like this foration alot..

[mone]

That book has lots of motion options that you wont get anywhere else.

[HAWAII BALLA]

whats compression :confused:

[rank is dumb]

That book has lots of motion options that you wont get anywhere else.

Its a coach's playbook. They all do something you just got to know when to use them.. There is no way I can get all the plays and formation shifts I like used in one game. There are just to many.. I'm sure you can use this playbook to win... I use it cause its fun for a sim style of play.. The double corner routes you can create with fomation shifting into trips bunch are crazy.... I don't use them that often but they seem to work most of the time when I do..

[BigB]

I would like to donate a few plays out of that same formation that are very good. Or lets just say a couple plays that when used together are damn good..


Big B you showed the 3 te set in washington.. The plays you like to use..

Here is a couple I like also...I like to use the diffrent motions you can do with this set. If you motion your #1 TE you create a Strong I Bunch TE flip formation.. I like to run the HB counter with this motion along with HB plunge and PA boot. Its a good way to get the Def to cheat over and make the HB boot really effective..

If you motion your #2nd string te you create a Twin TE flip bunch set. just a few other things you can do to make this set harder to defend..

ALl the TE motions in this formation create weird blocking fronts. I like this foration alot..

I will look at these plays thanks.

[mone]

If u need more from that book I have plenty..Trying to use them in a 4minute game is tuff..at least my favorite formation is listed as none.. :rolleyes:

[evad04]

Does anyone have any insight to unbumpable routes via the Compression offense??? Any info would be greatly appreciated :)

[mone]

unbumpable routes were the rage in 05, not a real need for them this year..You can always use a drag route with pass lead.

[CP]

Does anyone have any insight to unbumpable routes via the Compression offense??? Any info would be greatly appreciated :)

word i would like some insight too

[rank is dumb]

If u need more from that book I have plenty..Trying to use them in a 4minute game is tuff..at least my favorite formation is listed as none.. :rolleyes:

Same here on all three of my profiles.. :D

[Bigblue56]

This is just a quick Thank You to Bigb , you were nice enought to answer my PM about your guide. 2 weeks later I have fully gotten into the scheme and I love it. This offense opens up the game so much I am not struggling in my reads after the snap. I am a hardcore Giants fan so this is the only team that I roll with online , with this offense I am seeing my team differently. Only if they could be so good in real life ha ha. :)

[kts1230]

bigb what is ur favorite compression pb and what team do u use?

[BigB]

Oakland and pass balanced.

I use Giants

[seven7]

bigb, when you pass do you like to rollout to get better angles on routes to the outide or do you just drop back and sit in the pocket? another quickey, if ur pass route has a corner and a curl involved and you read man D, do u just hit the curl right away or do you wait to see if the corner guy can get open, cuz sometimes the defender will stay with him and a saftey will be there also, then if that happens and u look back to the wr that is on a curl, usually the defender will be infront of the wr that is just sitting waiting for the pass or he'll cut in front for a pick. thnx

[BigB]

good question. I tend to roll out a bit on corner routes. Other than that i stay in the pocket. My drop back is pending on the size of the route. The deeper the route, the deeper the drop back. Quick passes one step, med routes, 2 steps, and med-deep is 3. I tend to drop back 5 when I run extended routes.

[kingabe]

BIGB What's up? I play with the giants and I use the carolina PB. I played this guy online last night that all he did was bring extreme heat from all side. It kind of made it difficult to use the 2 bk sets when he brought his team,(Seahawks),closer to the line of scrimmiage and manually blits with his safety up the gut. I couldn't hit any of my safety valves because everytime I backed up to pass he was on top of me. Is there anyway I can counter this type of defensive attack using your compression theory. Oh, By the way your book is off the meat rack!

[BigB]

BIGB What's up? I play with the giants and I use the carolina PB. I played this guy online last night that all he did was bring extreme heat from all side. It kind of made it difficult to use the 2 bk sets when he brought his team,(Seahawks),closer to the line of scrimmiage and manually blits with his safety up the gut. I couldn't hit any of my safety valves because everytime I backed up to pass he was on top of me. Is there anyway I can counter this type of defensive attack using your compression theory. Oh, By the way your book is off the meat rack!

This happened to me in a way when I was playing a staff member here. (Don't ask who. ;) ) When guys do this I hit the SL or the TE in the middle with a post route or a slant. I also would eye down the flats. You can do a no look to the flats if there are open. If you're in two back you can audible down to an I formation or singleback big and give them some pound. If you start poppin off some routes in the middle of the field he will have to slow up the heat. A flood to the safety side he is blizting from will set his behind on fiyah. The problem with manual rushers is that they can't click on to the next defender without being out of position.

[RAYMONE]

I don't undstand these terms:
Kobra Or Somebody With Vg, Help Please
i just got the compression 201 playbook and i need some help please.
what is marrying routes?
what is a alley defender?
what ARE (v & c routes)?
WHAT IS A DIG?
HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO SHOULD BE THE HOT READ/THE PRIMARY/SECONDARY WHEN GOING THRU PROGRESSIONS? THANK YOU FOR ANY HELP
__________________

[BigB]

Just read the guide son. All of the answers you seek are in the guide.

[ahr19]

Big B-

I find that when I run up against people who love to bring heat, a WR screen can do some serious consistent damage if called at the right time. I need to search through Detriots playbook and Pass Balanced PB, but I use KC alot and they have two really nice versions of the screen pass. How do you feel about the WR screens and using it with the compression offense? Do you use it?

Thanks.

[BigB]

Big B-

I find that when I run up against people who love to bring heat, a WR screen can do some serious consistent damage if called at the right time. I need to search through Detriots playbook and Pass Balanced PB, but I use KC alot and they have two really nice versions of the screen pass. How do you feel about the WR screens and using it with the compression offense? Do you use it?

Thanks.

Very good question. I tend to use them when I read zone. The screen is suppose to be over aggressive defenses. I have played people that use screems vs. man as well as zone. It's a real good change of pace. I need to add some more screens and draws to may game. I love to see the delay and draws to be worked on better. In real football it work very well.

[K Freeman]

Yeah I love screens been trying to add them to my game. It seems like they work the best for the 06 current generation versions. I am having a problem getting them to work on the xbox 360. Big B have you tried using them on the 360? It seems the linemen dont pull out on RB screens. It basically like your man runs out there to get lit up with no protection

[zerowley]

I've got a question for those that run a compression based offense. I've bought BigB's book and have plenty of plays to build a scheme around, but have trouble actually coming up with one. When coming up with a scheme do you guys use compressed sets exclusively, the majority of the time, or just mix them in?

I guess this varies from player to player but would like some opinions because it is something I've had trouble with. I'm aiming for a pass first, run second compression offense with a ratio of about 55/45 to 60/40 that is mainly a 2 back offense, but I still want to be able to mix in some 3 and 4 WR sets when the defense keys on the run.

I started using Oakland's playbook and I loved the Weak-I sections, but aside from what is in BigB's guide I didn't have many plays. I didn't/don't want to just run "money plays" all game long; I'd rather have a scheme where the pass opens up the run. I use GB and like to make the most of what their roster has to offer, but don't know if using a 2 back set does that. I've played around with Detroit's book as well and like the Near and Far sets, but I'm still leaning more towards Oakland's book.

Basically, how do you guys come up with your scheme? If you don't want to reveal info about the book to those who haven't bought it just shoot me a PM. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

[Da_Bears]

I have tried time and again to use RB screens in this game but I cant seem to get the timing down. Are there any basic tips someone can give me on these plays? It seems like I either get pummeled before I can throw the ball or when I do get it off, the HB gets smashed as soon as he catches the ball, even against blitzes. (which I always thought was the purpose of HB screens,to beat the inside blitz.)

WR screens on the other hand are just brutal against soft zone coverages like 3 and 4 though from what I have seen. Almost too effective if you break a few tackles.

[BigB]

Hmm well written question and here's a answer.

Scheme is about having a base of plays that work with one another and set each other up. Anyone that know me knows that I hate listing plays to people. What I do give you a example and for you the baller to make your own twist to it. Like the weak close in oakland playbook. Let's say the TE Fade. (Since someone stole the concept of it and pass it off as if they found it. LOL) This play has 4 reads and all are hard to cover vs. man and zone. Now what you have to do is find routes that are in the same set, but work with the plays that were used in the TE Fade. Flat pressure is one that we can talk about. These routes are different than the ones in the TE Flat. You can formation shift to it. Now you are giving them two reads. Now let's add a FB Dive and a counter. Now you are hitting 4 different areas at one time. now you have 4 plays within your audibles in every set. When you add them you have expanded you scheme. Now your scheme maybe to get the TE off and then bulid from there. Then you need to add plays that will force the defense away from your money. The problem is that it's nothing wrong with running money plays. The problem is the ones that keep running it till it get stopped. When it does then they have nothing to go with it. So if you follow my plan you will never be put in that trick bag. Scheme is about surround your offense around something that is hard to contain, then rotate your playcalling to keep the other person from knowing your tendencies. The flow of the play calling and routes will keep the person off balanced. If they tend to play the pass more than the run...your running game of the scheme will prevail. When they play run more so than pass...you get the idea. Sets play a big part in this too. People play certain sets diffrently than others. You can run the same scheme it other sets so that when someone lock one set-up, you may can get them in another. I can so the same thing in the singleback set, that I can in the weak. The same as I formation vs. the shotty 2 back.

Closing,

let your opponent tell you what you can run, and then lauch your scheme from there. Many will manually blitz you all game long regardless if your tearing them up. The reason of this is because this is all they know. So when you're faced with that you can still run your scheme, but you adjust it to counter the scheme on defense they're running. If they like all coverage then you run your scheme, but to base it off of a shorter base. Take what they give you within your scheme and make adjustments on what you see. Take care all and this is a small sample of the compression 201 and thanks to the WBC members for helping me bring more insight to this scheme.

[zerowley]

Thanks, BigB That was exactly the kind of answer I was hoping for.

[striker3771]

BigB. I've been lurking through this site for over two years and have purchased the virtual playbooks for Ncaa and Madden. I'm currently playing Madden on the 360. Can this book help my offense on the 360? Thanks for your time.

[TitansFan12345]

ive been trying to coem up with a scheme..and dont really know how to..i read your earlier post and it didnt make much sense..How do you come up with a scheme...define scheme basically, and how i could come up with one, aboiut 55 pass 45 run basically...im also trying to figure out some more good plays from near/far sets other than hb angle and i am having trouble, wenever i try labbing to find them....ya doesnt work out, cant ever find a good player...I also tend to throw alot of ints if you have anything that might help with that, my ints r usually due to EXTREME pressure, or someone jumps the curl route that LOOKS wide open but really isnt...thx for any help

[BigB]

BigB. I've been lurking through this site for over two years and have purchased the virtual playbooks for Ncaa and Madden. I'm currently playing Madden on the 360. Can this book help my offense on the 360? Thanks for your time.

Yes it do. The thing is that the compression is a scheme that works on all levels. The thing is that it's not based on the AI. It's based on a scheme. Once you get it down it makes it a lot easier to move the ball.

[BigB]

ive been trying to coem up with a scheme..and dont really know how to..i read your earlier post and it didnt make much sense..How do you come up with a scheme...define scheme basically, and how i could come up with one, aboiut 55 pass 45 run basically...im also trying to figure out some more good plays from near/far sets other than hb angle and i am having trouble, wenever i try labbing to find them....ya doesnt work out, cant ever find a good player...I also tend to throw alot of ints if you have anything that might help with that, my ints r usually due to EXTREME pressure, or someone jumps the curl route that LOOKS wide open but really isnt...thx for any help

What part didn't you understand. I put up about two chapters of advice in an open post? LOL OK. The key to a scheme is to have a money play with plays around it. You have to know how the routes work in the money play and how to stop it. Once you have that then you add plays with routes in the same set. These routes have to go in different areas so that will keep your money open. Then you have to have a running play. YOu have to have running plays that work well with the one you use. Like a counter w/ a fb dive.

You have to find these plays and use the route moving function I taught you in my book. This is the building block of making a scheme.

[TitansFan12345]

k its makes alot more sense now
i just need to find some TRUE $$$ plays now
which is hard to do....pm me if u have ne to share

[BascoSauce]

hey big b, im currently running with detroits playbook with the falcons. Im in love with the near and far sets. After reading your advice about scheme i just want to make sure i was using the right idea. For the Near Tight with the 2wrs on the left, this is my set up. I usually always call the hb sweep play, then i have my r stick audibles along with a quick toss to the 2wr side, a curl play, a slot play, and have the lions smash within far tight formation flipped as my L audible (out of the L audible i have 4 choices including that nasty hb angle play from the R stick audibles). I always leave the R audible open to add to my quick audibles at the play call screen. Is this wat you mean by scheme?? if not wat am i doing wrong. Thanks man

[mgplaya2005]

hey big b, im currently running with detroits playbook with the falcons. Im in love with the near and far sets. After reading your advice about scheme i just want to make sure i was using the right idea. For the Near Tight with the 2wrs on the left, this is my set up. I usually always call the hb sweep play, then i have my r stick audibles along with a quick toss to the 2wr side, a curl play, a slot play, and have the lions smash within far tight formation flipped as my L audible (out of the L audible i have 4 choices including that nasty hb angle play from the R stick audibles). I always leave the R audible open to add to my quick audibles at the play call screen. Is this wat you mean by scheme?? if not wat am i doing wrong. Thanks man

i run wit the Dirty Birds and the Det and i have it down pat........i can give u anything u need to know

[BascoSauce]

yea i've talked to you a few times about the detroit playbook mgplaya, so watchu think bout my scheme?? is it a good one or do i need alot more work?? anyone else can give insight too, i just know this man is the detroit guru

[rank is dumb]

Anyone got anything with the Weak I in the Wash book.. I have been labbing these forms alot and found some stuff.. Just wondering if anyone else uses this form out of this book.

[mgplaya2005]

yea i've talked to you a few times about the detroit playbook mgplaya, so watchu think bout my scheme?? is it a good one or do i need alot more work?? anyone else can give insight too, i just know this man is the detroit guru

personally i prefer to use the far tight twins because all of the best plays out of the formation are in the R3 audibles also check out the I form Twin Wr and the Split Back Twin Wr......HOLLA

[BigB]

i run wit the Dirty Birds and the Det and i have it down pat........i can give u anything u need to know


Read the post Thanks VG Family. You may like what you see. ;)

[mgplaya2005]

Read the post Thanks VG Family. You may like what you see. ;)

i have read it already i might get it.......

[levdgg]

Bert BIg B etc. I Dled it tonight and Im getting that stupid heavy traffic message. I turned off evrything with Norton. I even downloaded the first one last eyar with no problem.Any help would be appreciated

[katness58]

you stated you can formation shift from empty 4 wide to weak I tight in the oakland pb. But i tried it and you cant. There isnt any shift to that from the empty 4 wide. Please help

[strategery]

shotgun trips bunch is compression isn't it?

[zerowley]

you stated you can formation shift from empty 4 wide to weak I tight in the oakland pb. But i tried it and you cant. There isnt any shift to that from the empty 4 wide. Please help

I'm pretty sure what you're talking about is shifting a play from Empty 4 WR to Singleback Tight. Like you said, you can't form shift from Empty 4 WR to Weak I Twins Tight.

[Tony_7]

is there any good plays out of the rams pb that anyone uses I need to add some of this to my game !!! thx

[W.Muney]

yo i bought the virtual playbook the compression and the filmroom and thought i had gotten pretty good had a good scheme and everything .even had several money plays that i built around BUT yesterday after a short hiatus online i got back on and got drug 6 times straight . now i am an avid raider user always but all the sudden i cant throw fade routes with collins nomore he either over throws anderson or when i throw to moss he throws out of bounds its like i lost my timing or something but whats so bad is this is my **** my bread and butter and now none of it is working can you help me out PLEASE? THANKS IN ADVANCE PS2 GAMERTAG Raider1in06

[W.Muney]

yo i bought the virtual playbook the compression and the filmroom and thought i had gotten pretty good had a good scheme and everything .even had several money plays that i built around BUT yesterday after a short hiatus online i got back on and got drug 6 times straight . now i am an avid raider user always but all the sudden i cant throw fade routes with collins nomore he either over throws anderson or when i throw to moss he throws out of bounds its like i lost my timing or something but whats so bad is this is my **** my bread and butter and now none of it is working can you help me out PLEASE? THANKS IN ADVANCE PS2 GAMERTAG Raider1in06
also i wanted to let you know that i havent been lazy ive studied the guides countless hours copying pages taking them to work labbing them in 2 min drills ive just hit a bad spot and im real discouraged as of now

[BigB]

yo i bought the virtual playbook the compression and the filmroom and thought i had gotten pretty good had a good scheme and everything .even had several money plays that i built around BUT yesterday after a short hiatus online i got back on and got drug 6 times straight . now i am an avid raider user always but all the sudden i cant throw fade routes with collins nomore he either over throws anderson or when i throw to moss he throws out of bounds its like i lost my timing or something but whats so bad is this is my **** my bread and butter and now none of it is working can you help me out PLEASE? THANKS IN ADVANCE PS2 GAMERTAG Raider1in06

I'm sorry dawg...I'm on xbox. I wish I could help you. If you can get in the xbox we can lab.

[W.Muney]

I'm sorry dawg...I'm on xbox. I wish I could help you. If you can get in the xbox we can lab.
well b can you at least give me some suggestions on what i might need to do to get right any help is greatly appreciated

[BascoSauce]

since ur on xbox live you think we could get a game sometime. I just wanna play a game with the compression god lol. If you could give me ur gamertag via this thread of a PM that would be great

[BigB]

well b can you at least give me some suggestions on what i might need to do to get right any help is greatly appreciated

No doubt hit me up on pm.

[BigB]

since ur on xbox live you think we could get a game sometime. I just wanna play a game with the compression god lol. If you could give me ur gamertag via this thread of a PM that would be great

Send me your gamer tag via pm.

[kts1230]

Big B, who is the compression god on PS2? u are def on xbox but who is good on ps2.

[CP]

Big B, who is the compression god on PS2? u are def on xbox but who is good on ps2.

yeah i would like to know this too

[Titans 4 LIFE]

ive never had success using compression sets other then trips bunch and SG TIGHT. i prefer spread offence, mostly 4WR,some old school RnS. i might pick up this playbook just to see what makes compression sets work so well.

[kts1230]

b, what are ur 3 favorite/most used formations out of Oak pb?

[BigB]

yeah i would like to know this too

I'm not the Compression God. I'm just a student of the scheme like you and everyone lese is. As for PS2 I have no clue. Once the season started I walked away from the PS2 once I went online with the XBOX. I never looked back. There are plenty of guys here that play on the PS2 and are pretty good.

[BigB]

b, what are ur 3 favorite/most used formations out of Oak pb?

I like Oakland, Seattle, and Detroit. I use mostly big sets when I run Oakland. Everyone runs to the weak because of the divide and the TE Fade. Anyone that is good will have defenses to lock that up and will be looking for it. So I tend to use formation sthat many don't lab or use. Also what formation they allow me to use. If they bring good wood I have to go to other sets. Many have schemes. Like all coverage, double everyone and sit on the flats. So when I see what they like to do I have to look at other sets and work another formation that tend to give them fits you know. SO I have no most used formation.

[BigW]

Compressed sets are any sets that have WR's grouped together. Shotty Bunch and Trips are compressed.

Like:
SB Trips Bunch
SB Trey
SB TE Slot

So Shotgun 2RB 3WRs can become a compressed set by using the formation shift. The reason I'm asking is because I use the Cleveland Playbook, and I wanted to see if this is a good playbook to run the compression offense.

[Davo_Mcflavo6]

Hello every1 i am new to this site and I just spent a long time reading this whole thread, and it had been very interesting. this has been very good for me b/c i have just begun to experiment with the compression concepts, b/c I am usaually running man who spreads it out to pass. i just wanted to give all yall props b/c this is awsome

[moos3p]

Hey B ( or any one else)
I can't seem to get my run game off. The passing works well when i put my head into it, but I can't gain more than a yard or two on the ground. Any suggestions?? I use Dallas with Detroits playbook.

I'm sure its lack of practice time, but i only get maybe an hour a day to practice or play (sucks working 10 hour days 7 days a week). if someone could advise me or lab with me it would be great. xbox moos3 meat IM me please so i can make some time :D

[HANGTIME_DFBC]

Hey B ( or any one else)
I can't seem to get my run game off. The passing works well when i put my head into it, but I can't gain more than a yard or two on the ground. Any suggestions?? I use Dallas with Detroits playbook.

I'm sure its lack of practice time, but i only get maybe an hour a day to practice or play (sucks working 10 hour days 7 days a week). if someone could advise me or lab with me it would be great. xbox moos3 meat IM me please so i can make some time :D

what formations do u like to run out of?

[moos3p]

I like to use either far twins, near twins, or trips as a base. Other than that I don't have a prefrence as to what i run out of ( probly because I haven't found a successful play for me)

[HANGTIME_DFBC]

the FB plays out of Near and Far are money

[BigB]

that and the fake toss

[Maverick]

i CAN'T SEEM TO ESTABLISH A GOOD RUNNING GAME WITH THESE SETS.TIGHT AND SLOTS, CAN SOMEONE TELL ME THE BEST COMBO RUN AND PASS OUT OF THESE BOOKS. :mad: :mad:

[JediTank]

i CAN'T SEEM TO ESTABLISH A GOOD RUNNING GAME WITH THESE SETS.TIGHT AND SLOTS, CAN SOMEONE TELL ME THE BEST COMBO RUN AND PASS OUT OF THESE BOOKS. :mad: :mad:
run the slams and plunges
what are you looking for? something that you can just pick and its money? you can run on anybody if you practice the techniques associated with running..and im not talking about juke and spin idiocy..follow blockers, hit triangle at the rite time, quick juke to hit a hole, accelaration etc....

the best style i find that works on these so-called "top players" is the denver philosophy...take the handoff..1 cut and hit it.that cut can be a juke or spin..but basically its 1 move then upfield. dig it

[rank is dumb]

Great write up on the Skins book this week BigB and staff. Some good stuff. When you guys going to do a Def book. I can score but I cant stop anyone :(

[Redknight]

Great write up on the Skins book this week BigB and staff. Some good stuff. When you guys going to do a Def book. I can score but I cant stop anyone :(

I know how you feel man. I can score at will but struggling to shutdown anyone. However, lately i have been pratice hard with my manual stick. Apparently the more you re good with your stick , the better for your defense.

[rank is dumb]

I know how you feel man. I can score at will but struggling to shutdown anyone. However, lately i have been pratice hard with my manual stick. Apparently the more you re good with your stick , the better for your defense.

I get in postion alot of the time then Miss time my jump. lol then I watch the ball fly over my head. Then I just dive on the gorund out of disgust!! lol

As of late I have been tipping alot of balls and having them end up in the recivers hands man that drives me crazy!!!

[Sully]

I Do not own the compression book,but i currently run with the detroit book with my 49ers,without about half of my offense being compression style,anyone have any really good zone beaters off PA or not that do not involve more then one formation shift?

[brucemaster135]

recently purchased the compression offense 201 and im still in the middle of whether it was worth the money, in the keys to running the compression offense:

1. i understand the coverage readings but can someone tell me the weak points in each of the covers( ex. cover1, cover2, etc..)

2. i use the chiefs an what are some good compression formations to run out of

3. also i dont understand the odds and even aspect.

4. how do you get digs, and corners, can you hot route them into your ply or do they ahve to come with the play


thnx

[BigB]

The key to beating cvr. 1 is to work the best match-up on the field. The reason why is because the defense is in man coverage and most cover 1 defenses have someone blitzing. You need to look at flats, slants, and any quick route with the best match-up for you. Cover 2 corner routes with a streak outside help out here. "C" routes and post flag routes work well also.



Any of them that are running based. You have to take advantage of your backs and te's to open up your weaker wr's.



Okay (nothing personal...but this is the 100th time someone asked this question. LOL ;) Odd and Even fronts is based on how many DB's are to one side of a formation. Like if someone come out in dime you have an even front. Two db's on one side. If they come out in 4-3 they're in a odd front. One DB to one side. The reason of this break down is so you can attack the defense with the proper overload. if they are in 4-3 you would look to run a twin set. This will force the defense to compensate. maybe run man or go up to nickle. This allows you to attack the defense systematiclly. Odd and even fronts is a term used for the defensive line. This term can also be used when reading the db set up.



You have to look for plays that have these routes. Yes, digs are pullable to whatever set you want. You need to lab and see what plays do. I suggest to use plays that have some of theses routes also. This way you can run your offense smoothly.

Thanks for the support and I hope this helped.

[moos3p]

welcome back Big B. Hope all is well again.

[Maverick]

You guys are on the money here. I have problems reading man/zone coverges. Please heelllllllllppppppp!

Thanks:)

[BigB]

welcome back Big B. Hope all is well again.

Thanks that means a lot to me. I'm trying to get back in the saddle.

[BigB]

You guys are on the money here. I have problems reading man/zone coverges. Please heelllllllllppppppp!

Thanks:)

The key is to get to a point where it don't matter. That was the reason for this system. When a player know you know how to read defense they can make adjustments to fool you. Just run your floods and read the box. If you see 7 or less in the box you run. If you see more than that you flood on side with married routes and hit the open man.

[BigB]

Hey B ( or any one else)
I can't seem to get my run game off. The passing works well when i put my head into it, but I can't gain more than a yard or two on the ground. Any suggestions?? I use Dallas with Detroits playbook.

I'm sure its lack of practice time, but i only get maybe an hour a day to practice or play (sucks working 10 hour days 7 days a week). if someone could advise me or lab with me it would be great. xbox moos3 meat IM me please so i can make some time :D

The key running when you have the numbers to run. I read the box and that tells me when to run. I put my offense in the defenses hands. If they play me for the pass, I run. If they play for the run I pass.Try using some Fb dives and slams out of singleback sets.

[BigB]

Great write up on the Skins book this week BigB and staff. Some good stuff. When you guys going to do a Def book. I can score but I cant stop anyone :(

I'm working on it now.

[BigB]

yo i bought the virtual playbook the compression and the filmroom and thought i had gotten pretty good had a good scheme and everything .even had several money plays that i built around BUT yesterday after a short hiatus online i got back on and got drug 6 times straight . now i am an avid raider user always but all the sudden i cant throw fade routes with collins nomore he either over throws anderson or when i throw to moss he throws out of bounds its like i lost my timing or something but whats so bad is this is my **** my bread and butter and now none of it is working can you help me out PLEASE? THANKS IN ADVANCE PS2 GAMERTAG Raider1in06


Just work on your timing and pay attention to your playcalling. Whne you lean on something too much people will make adjustments.

[kidal25]

I like to use either far twins, near twins, or trips as a base. Other than that I don't have a prefrence as to what i run out of ( probly because I haven't found a successful play for me)
sb normal is nice to run out of.
always if you can shift to trips bunch and the running game will develop nicely from there

[moos3p]

I recently switched to Oakland playbook, started running alot of slams and counters, especially when getting blitzed of the edge

[CP]

sb normal is nice to run out of.
always if you can shift to trips bunch and the running game will develop nicely from there

How do people run out of trips bunch, i never could and i dont understand why?? any tips on how to run effectively out of trips form

[moos3p]

you can shift a better run to it.

i can only run out of it after setting up with passes

[SinghCity]

hey guys im new 2 the site and wondering wen the version 2 of this compressin offense is coming out?

[max10]

I like running the singleback big 3 tight end set but i cant seem to find any good pass plays to the left side of the field. Can you help me out with this? I have been using the run n gun because of the formation shifts.

[BigB]

I haven't used that set because i run with the Oakland book, but it's becoming a very popular set. I would look to see if you can formation shift to that set. if you can you're in business now. ;)

[A Disciple]

I like running the singleback big 3 tight end set but i cant seem to find any good pass plays to the left side of the field. Can you help me out with this? I have been using the run n gun because of the formation shifts.
Also, look into pulling routes into that form from other plays.

[GMONEY]

I can't seem to get my run game off. The passing works well when i put my head into it, but I can't gain more than a yard or two on the ground. Any suggestions?? I use Dallas with Detroits playbook.

Big B makes a great point about running out of the singleback set. Out of the Detroit book there is the regular blast play to the weakside that is quick and up the middle and there is slam play to the strong side that can almost be run off tackle. Both very effective and both can be pm to either side.

I have to remind myself to run the rock because I am pass happy and peeps like to use quarter d's against me.

Also try the te post play out of singleback normal. This play is almost a money play. You have a good te in Whitten if who is almost always open against man. If he is covered look to hit the back in the flats. Plus you have the slot running a corner route and you also pm the z (strong side receiver) on a curl route for another option. If the d goes to a quarters d, then audible (square and R3 downand them with some slams.

Part of the key to any sucessful offense is keeping the d off balance. Thus I like to run out of pass formations and pass out of run formations.



Also the fb dive play out the far formation is very effective especially if you juke as you are getting to the line of scrimmage.

Good luck.

[kasiechaos]

When you said the defense comes out in an odd front I assume you are talking about cornerbacks....so how do you create the even front? Is that motioning a receiver to the side where you out number them?

[BigB]

Big B makes a great point about running out of the singleback set. Out of the Detroit book there is the regular blast play to the weakside that is quick and up the middle and there is slam play to the strong side that can almost be run off tackle. Both very effective and both can be pm to either side.

I have to remind myself to run the rock because I am pass happy and peeps like to use quarter d's against me.

Also try the te post play out of singleback normal. This play is almost a money play. You have a good te in Whitten if who is almost always open against man. If he is covered look to hit the back in the flats. Plus you have the slot running a corner route and you also pm the z (strong side receiver) on a curl route for another option. If the d goes to a quarters d, then audible (square and R3 downand them with some slams.

Part of the key to any sucessful offense is keeping the d off balance. Thus I like to run out of pass formations and pass out of run formations.



Also the fb dive play out the far formation is very effective especially if you juke as you are getting to the line of scrimmage.

Good luck.

Why thank you for the shout out. :)

[Doolow]

i just played my first games againt human opponets..3-0-2 two ties cuz of game freeze and less than 3 td skunk rule..guy ran fire blitz all game i was bustin him up the gut when the game froze...without what i read i only passed for a lil over a hundred yrs against the cpu after reading this forum and using some of the things i read....i picked up an extra 100 yrds passing and opened up my running game even more...i will mos def get the book and im gonna switch from the vikes book to oaklands....good looking out fellas and im glad to be a part of the family..:D

[stickskills1]

When you said the defense comes out in an odd front I assume you are talking about cornerbacks....so how do you create the even front? Is that motioning a receiver to the side where you out number them?
KC,
Not CBS per se, but I think he is talking about the dline and there position relative to the oline. Say you come out in a 4-3 and the O has a TE on the rigth. if you shift your dline to the left you will have a 3 against 2 advantage on the line and you have to count the ROLB. I believe the theory goes like this: You count left or right starting at the center. In this example, you have a shifted DE and WDT plus the ROLB (the ROLB can be shifted left too) against the LT and LG. To counter this, the O will usually protection shift left and possibly motion the TE to the left.

[BK Arsonist]

Big B,

I have to give you a shout out for both compression guides... While the guides help me out (a little bit :D )... I really appreciate them from a pure X's and O's standpoint. B, you've basically touched on the same things that go on on Sunday's in the NFL and that's what I enjoy most. Even if I wasn't a fan of the Compression, the books are put together nicely.

In reading this thread I find it odd that people have difficulties running or throwing against certain sets and I think is mainly because we tend to complicate things. My base set is SB trips bunch, so I get a good man/zone read from the start... The fun begins when someone comes out in quarters and those defenders start sliding to my buch side... Two quick auds and a formation shift, now i'm back in SB trips bunch with a counter to the opposite side of the bunch (:D I love this stuff)... Anyway, fellas, keep it simple... take what the D give you... when you have the advantage up front and it's man - hit 'em with the counters.... advantage up front and you read zone - slams and dive's... when throwing vs zone... floods, floods, floods... Man?? -- rub 'em to death... spend some time marrying those routes and you'll be surprised at how guys appear uncovered...

Again, Big B, great stuff... keep it coming... matter of fact... you should give me a game :D

[BigB]

Big B,

I have to give you a shout out for both compression guides... While the guides help me out (a little bit :D )... I really appreciate them from a pure X's and O's standpoint. B, you've basically touched on the same things that go on on Sunday's in the NFL and that's what I enjoy most. Even if I wasn't a fan of the Compression, the books are put together nicely.

In reading this thread I find it odd that people have difficulties running or throwing against certain sets and I think is mainly because we tend to complicate things. My base set is SB trips bunch, so I get a good man/zone read from the start... The fun begins when someone comes out in quarters and those defenders start sliding to my buch side... Two quick auds and a formation shift, now i'm back in SB trips bunch with a counter to the opposite side of the bunch (:D I love this stuff)... Anyway, fellas, keep it simple... take what the D give you... when you have the advantage up front and it's man - hit 'em with the counters.... advantage up front and you read zone - slams and dive's... when throwing vs zone... floods, floods, floods... Man?? -- rub 'em to death... spend some time marrying those routes and you'll be surprised at how guys appear uncovered...

Again, Big B, great stuff... keep it coming... matter of fact... you should give me a game :D


Thank you for the support and the write-up. I'm trying my best to improve on my writing skills and info I put out.

[vze8hj4j]

hello guys
i am a new member and i hve problems with my defense can u guys help?

[mynameisvictory]

im so close to getting the compression 201 thing but i dont kno wut it is.is it a book they send u via mail,a download,and how long does it take:confused:

[BigB]

it shouldn't take long