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[Kaidog]

Has anyone else noticed how ESPN has been doing fantasy matchups between USC 05 and previous NC Teams...

WTF is that about? Has USC even played the Rose Bowl yet? Thats kinda of a slap in the face to Texas...

Instead of fantasy matchups, just replay the fresno st game....they gave them all they could handle.

[Seen03]

Yea i kno and they said the 2002 Ohio State team wouldnt be able to hang with them, yea right. I'm a Michigan fan and i even know that that year Ohio State wouldve been able to hang with anyone, even present day USC. They played a very similar Miami team and showed they can hang with them so why couldnt they hang with this usc team.

Leinert is a little bit better than Dorsey

Bush is a little better than Willis McGahee

Andre Johnson is a little bit better than Dwayne Jarret

Kellen Winslow is a little bit better than usc's 2nd wideout or ne one of their TE's

Miami's defense was alot better than USC's.

USC's D has talent and speed but dont have the greatest awareness.

Miami's D has Wolfork on the DL

Those 2 stud LB's i forgot their names.

Antrell Rolle and Sean Tayler are better than Darnell Bing.


SO I ACTUALLY BELIEVE OHIO STATE OF 2002 WOULD WIN

[Kaidog]

Even USC 04 would beat USC 05 imo..the lack of D is pitiful..

[M-Dub�]

As much as it pains me to admit it, 95 Nebraska was the greatest college football team ever assembled. I'd be surprised if any Nat'l Champ before or since could stay within 10 points of them.

[Chain Crew86]

First of all that Ohio State team should have never even won the 2002 national championship. And you're saying they are better than USC? The Hurricanes were a MUCH better team that year. First of all McGahee getting hurt is the only reason the buckeyes even had a chance. And the fact that the hurricanes were ripped off by the officials at the end. That injury changed the whole game. The hurricanes were on the longest winning streak in college football before that game. I dont see how anyone could say the buckeyes were the best team. Yeah they won the game but things just went horrible for the canes that night.

[Farmer]

Yea i kno and they said the 2002 Ohio State team wouldnt be able to hang with them, yea right. I'm a Michigan fan and i even know that that year Ohio State wouldve been able to hang with anyone, even present day USC. They played a very similar Miami team and showed they can hang with them so why couldnt they hang with this usc team.

Leinert is a little bit better than Dorsey

Bush is a little better than Willis McGahee

Andre Johnson is a little bit better than Dwayne Jarret

Kellen Winslow is a little bit better than usc's 2nd wideout or ne one of their TE's

Miami's defense was alot better than USC's.

USC's D has talent and speed but dont have the greatest awareness.

Miami's D has Wolfork on the DL

Those 2 stud LB's i forgot their names.

Antrell Rolle and Sean Tayler are better than Darnell Bing.


SO I ACTUALLY BELIEVE OHIO STATE OF 2002 WOULD WIN



I pretty much agree with you on this one except for on a couple of points:

Bush is a little better than Willis McGahee
Bush is way better, McGahee was a straight up HB, Miami rarely lined him up on the LOS if at all. Bush is a threat on KR, PR, HB, and on the line as a receiver.


Kellen Winslow is a little bit better than usc's 2nd wideout or ne one of their TE's
Kellen may be better than Steve Smith, but only because he's taller than Smith. As for their TE's, I would call it an even match up, even though both USC's TE's can run block and pass protect better than Winslow.


Miami's defense was alot better than USC's.
Miami's defense wasn't all that great or better than 04 USC's. The 04 Buckeyes had an offense similar to 04 Oklahoma's, in that they both had a top notch receiving corps, excellent O-lines, QB's with tremendous pocket presence, and stud HB's that couldn't be stopped once the got on a roll. It took everything that Miami had to get the game to OT. The OU vs. USC game wasn't even in question midway the 3rd qtr. Miami for the most part kept Maurice Clarette in check, but couldn't stop him late in the game. USC held the nations top HB in Adrian Petersen to a total of 53 yards rushing for the entire game, when he was accustomed to 100+ yard games (with a few 200 yarders in there too). OU scored on their first drive, and USC put the boots on their tires, OU didn't score again until Pete Carroll brought in the 2nd teamers on defense mid ways into the 4th qtr. Miami's first team was on the field the entire game.


USC's D has talent and speed but dont have the greatest awareness. Very few Miami teams have ever had great awareness, they have always relied on their team speed and flock to the ball.

SO I ACTUALLY BELIEVE OHIO STATE OF 2002 WOULD WIN I would still take USC 2004 over Ohio State 2002, 27 - 24.

[Farmer]

As much as it pains me to admit it, 95 Nebraska was the greatest college football team ever assembled. I'd be surprised if any Nat'l Champ before or since could stay within 10 points of them.


99 Florida State
00 Sooners
58 Irish
58 MSU Spartans
92 Tide
04 Trojans

I can assure you any of those teams would/could stay with in 10 points of the 95 Nebraska Huskers, and beat them. Well............. not the 00 Sooners, they had an average offense, but their defense could have held the Cornhuskers offense in check to keep them with in 10 points.

JMO.

-Farmer

[ondaperimeter]

As much as it pains me to admit it, 95 Nebraska was the greatest college football team ever assembled. I'd be surprised if any Nat'l Champ before or since could stay within 10 points of them.


The 95 Gators were soft as cotton, so that made Nebraska look even better in the NC game. I remember the Nebraska players screaming into the camera's for the Gators to get in the weight room! (The accompanying hand gestures henceforth called, inaccurately, 'raising the roof'...)

As happy as I was that tOSU beat the Canes in '02, they should not have won that game. As for a matchup with '95 Nebraska, tOSU had no "O", and their "D" couldn't have held out against the Nebraska Option for 4 Quarters. Nebraska wins that going away 24-10.

Now, I do think the '04 and even the '03 USC teams could have stuck with the Huskers. As well as the other teams on Farmers list.

Don't forget the '88 Irish, though. They were a slightly different era, but they were loaded too.

[Chain Crew86]

Its kinda fun to look at those teams in the historic rosters on the game.The good 'ole boys at EA are never wrong (yeah right lol)!They actually have the 02 buckeye team a B- and the 02 hurricanes a B+.Last years USC team is an A and the 03 USC team is a B-.I guess you could kinda argue which team had better players from EA's ratings of the individual players, they are always kinda accurate on those.

[Farmer]

Don't forget the '88 Irish, though. They were a slightly different era, but they were loaded too.


OMG.................. how could I have forgotten the 88 Irish!?!? I mean who could forget Lou Holtz and his "I'm gonna run it down your throat" philosophy? Being a Trojan fan, I dreaded those yearly games. So add them to my above list.

Onda does bring up a very good point, It is highly doubtful that tOSU could withstand 4 qtrs of "The Tom Osborne Option" attack.



-Farmer

[ThrowTheBall]

Everybody knows that the 1998 Tennessee team would have beat the piss out of anybody.

[heavy_hitter]

ESPN is a Waste of Time.

[seanranel]

Hold up, how can ya'll just hate on the 1996 National Championship Gators like that. They killed Florida St. who was #1 at the time for the championship. I think they could wax any team, any time from any era. They had a freaking SQUAD....funny thing is though....the Gators always have good players in college, they get to the NFL and fall off the face of the earth. They had an all around good team because no matter who they put in they were able change the outcome of the game. You dont hear about any of these guys now but they were "gods" for a year.....

QB Danny Weurffel(nothing now but still won the heisman in 96)

WR's Ike Hilliard, Riedel Anthony, Jacquez Green

HB's Fred Taylor, Elijah Williams, Terry Jackson

Defense - Jevon Kearse, Anthone Lott, Fred Weary to name a few....

Just an all around good team and how can you not love all the funky formations....hehe

[M-Dub�]

99 Florida State
00 Sooners
58 Irish
58 MSU Spartans
92 Tide
04 Trojans

I can assure you any of those teams would/could stay with in 10 points of the 95 Nebraska Huskers, and beat them.

Tht's just laughable. A team from 1958, even a good team, would have their hands full with 05 Temple, let alone 95 Nebraska.

[djwill13]

damn all ya'll. i'll take the 80 dawgs vs anyone anyday. gimme hershel in his prime

[heavy_hitter]

damn all ya'll. i'll take the 80 dawgs vs anyone anyday. gimme hershel in his prime

Do you know how much UGA paid Herschel? I do. My neighbor played for one of Herschels former coaches. I can also tell you how much Craig James and Eric Dickerson got paid at SMU because the same coach was there.

BTW... Herschel was the highest paid of the 3.

[djwill13]

Do you know how much UGA paid Herschel? I do. My neighbor played for one of Herschels former coaches. I can also tell you how much Craig James and Eric Dickerson got paid at SMU because the same coach was there.

BTW... Herschel was the highest paid of the 3.
shhhhhhhh!!!!!!! that's supposed to be a secret. don't let anyone know ;) :cool:

can you blame them? the man was a freakin beast in college.

[Farmer]

Everybody knows that the 1998 Tennessee team would have beat the piss out of anybody.

I doubt they could even stay with in 10 points against any of those teams I listed above.


Tht's just laughable. A team from 1958, even a good team, would have their hands full with 05 Temple, let alone 95 Nebraska.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you did say: I'd be surprised if any Nat'l Champ before or since could stay within 10 points of them.

the 58 Irish and Spartans tied for the NC and from all the game footage I've seen of the two, they not only beat people, they dominated them physically, keep in mind you could get away with a lot more [as far as brutal hits and such] back then as opposed to today. Those guys were big and strong and played physical all game long.


damn all ya'll. i'll take the 80 dawgs vs anyone anyday. gimme hershel in his prime
A good choice deej, but that team was basically a one trick pony. The SEC teams at that time barely knew what an option play was, they were either power running teams or finesse passing teams. I doubt their defense could withstand 4 qtrs of Nebraska's option offense, shure Hersh would get his, but eventually the Huskers would figure it out and start keying in on him.

Hold up, how can ya'll just hate on the 1996 National Championship Gators like that. They killed Florida St. who was #1 at the time for the championship. I think they could wax any team, any time from any era. They had a good team that year, but to say they could wax any team, any time from any era............... that's stretching it a bit much. The 58 Irish and Spartans would push those guys from one side of the field to the other, the 92 Tide would do the same thing, as would the 88 Irish but Lou would make damn sure the exceeded their reccommended dosage of the run game. The 02 Buckeyes would've fed them a steady diet of Maurice Clarette, while their LB's give Danny Worthliss an up close and personal view of their uniforms. The 04 Trojans would have embarassed the 96 gators just like they did OU. The 99 FSU team was just too good on defense, 96 UF would've given them good field position all night long, and 99 FSU's above average offense would've converted the majority of them to scores; as would the 00 Sooners.

I know you love your Gators, but c'mon now....................... let's be honest with ourselves. I mean why do think I didn't include the 03 Trojans? For one reason, they didn't utilize Bush then like they have done for the past 2 seasons. He makes the difference then as he obviously does now. The only thing that dosen't put me behind any of the UF teams is that their OOC opponents are pretty much nobodies.
Tell you what Sean, if you can provide me with dates that UF has hung 30+ on ND, tOSU, Oklahoma, USC, Michigan,or Nebraska if and when they played them and I'll gladly post a recant of this statement.
For the record, the information that I'm looking for does not have to just come from 1996, it could be from any year with a 20 year (past to present)radius.

-Farmer

[djwill13]

thanks farmer. i know, but i'd still take georgia (you know i love my dawgs). plus, with the d keying on hersh, we'd hit em' with the pa pass (which is how they effectively moved the ball through the air btw).

another team that i liked but wouldn't compete with these listed is the 92 FSU squad with charlie ward. ward had the heart of a champion. he could've been what michael vick is but better (in the pros).

[Seen03]

Well im actually going with the 97 Michigan team because we had Brian Greise and Mr. Charles Woodson playing Mr. everything. On offense we had Griese (QB) (Tom Brady was our backup), Anthony Thomas (RB), Tai Streets (WR)and Marcus Knight (WR), and our Oline was steller with 2 future Probowlers in Hutchinson (OG) and Jon Jansen (OT). On Defense we had Ian Gold (LB), Dhani Jones (LB), Woodsen (CB), and Allan Ray (SS)(hasnt done anything in the pros but was an All American safety). And we had woodsen on kick and punt returns and our kicker was Jay Feely whose been great in the pros except for that one game against the Seahawks. :)

We were built more like a 2002 Ohio State team but we played grind it out smashmouth football.

[ThrowTheBall]

These arguments are always ridiculous. There is no way to compare teams from different eras, one season to the next even.

And by the way, just because the 1992 Alabama was a defensive team doesn't mean they had a powerful running game. Their whole offense was anemic. They just didnt do anything stupid, and then they prayed that the defense would hold, which most of the time they did. Think the Baltimore Ravens when they won the Super Bowl. Jay Barker WAS Trent Dilfer. the only difference was that the Ravens could run the ball.

[seanranel]

They had a good team that year, but to say they could wax any team, any time from any era............... that's stretching it a bit much. The 58 Irish and Spartans would push those guys from one side of the field to the other, the 92 Tide would do the same thing, as would the 88 Irish but Lou would make damn sure the exceeded their reccommended dosage of the run game. The 02 Buckeyes would've fed them a steady diet of Maurice Clarette, while their LB's give Danny Worthliss an up close and personal view of their uniforms. The 04 Trojans would have embarassed the 96 gators just like they did OU. The 99 FSU team was just too good on defense, 96 UF would've given them good field position all night long, and 99 FSU's above average offense would've converted the majority of them to scores; as would the 00 Sooners.

I know you love your Gators, but c'mon now....................... let's be honest with ourselves. I mean why do think I didn't include the 03 Trojans? For one reason, they didn't utilize Bush then like they have done for the past 2 seasons. He makes the difference then as he obviously does now. The only thing that dosen't put me behind any of the UF teams is that their OOC opponents are pretty much nobodies.
Tell you what Sean, if you can provide me with dates that UF has hung 30+ on ND, tOSU, Oklahoma, USC, Michigan,or Nebraska if and when they played them and I'll gladly post a recant of this statement.
For the record, the information that I'm looking for does not have to just come from 1996, it could be from any year with a 20 year (past to present)radius.

-Farmer


Dude, they dont have to play ND, tOSU, Okl and the others you named, why....because they are in the freaking toughest, hardest, most competitive conference....at the time at least. As if beating the snot outta the Tennessee's, Georgia's, Auburn's, etc of the SEC is enough, you want them to take on the best of the other conferences too.....no problem, i'm sure the old ball coach would have something up his sleeve for them too. But it's not like those other teams you named have hard OOC games also. Michigan stopped playing Rice because Rice got good and Big Blue didnt want to risk the loss. So now they settle for the eastern and western Michigan's. OOC games are always pushovers it's just a matter of how much of a pushover they will be. I'll give you one thing though....Florida's OOC opponents are the bottom of the barrel, the citadel, la. tech....but hey, a pushover is a pushover. This is why there should be a playoff at the end of the season, that will really tell who the best team and conference is....but that's a totally different topic.

[ondaperimeter]

Hold up, how can ya'll just hate on the 1996 National Championship Gators like that. They killed Florida St. who was #1 at the time for the championship....

That was not even close to FSU's best team of the 93-99 era...and lets not forget, the '96 Gators were only .500 against the 'Noles that year.

[M-Dub�]

Well, first and foremost, you have to eliminate any MNC team that had a loss. If you can't even beat all the teams on your schedule that year, you have no business even being in the discussion of greatest all-time teams. I mean, I'm as much of a homer as the next guy, but I would never throw 90 Colorado into this discussion. They had a loss and a tie.

Secondly, if you are just talking about how the teams would fare if they payed head-to-head, you can also throw out any team from earlier than 1980 (give or take a couple years). I don't care how dominant a team was against the opposition of their era, the size and speed of modern era teams would be way too much for any of those leather helmet era teams to handle. I mean, Oklahoma winning 47 games in a row in the 40s is an incredible record that will likely never be broken. But even the most die-hard Sooner fan would readily admit that if you suited those guys up for the 2006 season, they'd be lucky to win a game, let alone an MNC. (BTW, Farmer, I was trying to look up the roster of the 58 ND squad and that team went 6-4. :confused: Are you maybe thinking of the 48 Irish who went 9-0-1?)

The arguments for 95 Nebraska are too numerous to mention them all. No opponent came within 2 TDs of them that year. They ended up crushing 4 teams ranked in the final top 10. Not their rank at the time they played them, mind you. These were legit top 10 teams after the whole season was played. They had an almost-NFL caliber O line and arguably the most talented option backfield ever. They had a ridiculously fast defense that shut down every team it faced. My original comment that any MNC team would be lucky to stay within 10 of them might've been a little far-fetched. We are talking about college football, where fluky crap happens every week. But if you put the 95 Huskers in a best of 7 series against any other team in CFB history, I'd bet the house that they'd win 4.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go take a shower. I feel all icky after heaping all that praise on Nebraska.

[CrazyOldGuy]

ESPN is really pushing the E of its name lately. These types of debates are about as real as "Coach Butkus" in Bound for Glory. It wouldn't suprise me if they were hatched out of some office in Bristol.

[Farmer]

BTW, Farmer, I was trying to look up the roster of the 58 ND squad and that team went 6-4. :confused: Are you maybe thinking of the 48 Irish who went 9-0-1?

I don't think so. The ND and MSU teams I'm talking about split the NC that year, even though they played one another and MSU lost. It's the MSU team that Bubba Smith was on. I'll have to do some more research and see which year it is.



Dude, they dont have to play ND, tOSU, Okl and the others you named, why....because they are in the freaking toughest, hardest, most competitive conference....at the time at least. As if beating the snot outta the Tennessee's, Georgia's, Auburn's, etc of the SEC is enough, you want them to take on the best of the other conferences too.....no problem, i'm sure the old ball coach would have something up his sleeve for them too. But it's not like those other teams you named have hard OOC games also. Michigan stopped playing Rice because Rice got good and Big Blue didnt want to risk the loss. So now they settle for the eastern and western Michigan's. OOC games are always pushovers it's just a matter of how much of a pushover they will be. I'll give you one thing though....Florida's OOC opponents are the bottom of the barrel, the citadel, la. tech....but hey, a pushover is a pushover. This is why there should be a playoff at the end of the season, that will really tell who the best team and conference is....but that's a totally different topic.

No they didn't/don't have to play those teams and there's a good reason why, Ball Coach built his teams to win games in the SEC, not win games period. That's the reason why he got his azz handed to him when ever he did come across one of those teams, his big fish found out that there are other, bigger fish out there that bite just as hard if not harder than they do. Bobby Bowden has always told his A.D. that his team will play anybody, anytime, anywhere; this is why year in and year out FSU will have 1 loss and still be in contention for the NC. It's also the reason why UF will have lost only 1 game but arent even in the same conversation for said title.

I know this for a fact, the last 4 coaches for USC has never, refused an offer to play a team, no matter who they may be.

All I'm saying Sean, is that if you're a true fan of a team (you appear to be a true Gator fan), take a realistic look at them. I'm a die hard Trojan fan and have been since the late 70's, I also live in Texas and pull for the Texas teams here (Texas, TAMU, UofH, and Rice). Even though I pull for those teams in conjunction with the Trojans I am still an optomistic realist, take last year for instance, all my buddies were saying that that was the year UT would play for the NC. I told them straight up, UT really only has 2 games a year to worry about, they had the talent to dispatch TAMU very easily, but Oklahoma was the hump they needed to get over. I told them if UT beats OU, then they will play for the NC. They lost. TAMU, I really don't like as much as I used to (due to personal reasons) but I'm still just as candid when it comes to their season outlook.
Give me a Trojan year and I will most certainly give you the reason why the didn't win their conference, NC, or bowl game. Even though there is an east coast bias, the Pac-10 is just as competitive as the SEC, in both conferences there are teams that are dominant, and there are teams that are door mats, then theres a changing of the guard. It's a normal process of competition.

-Farmer

[mckracken88]

USC dont play ****. They beat ND who doesnt play ****. USC would lose to every one of those teams except maybe 2002 tOSU. Hell Auburn this year could beat USC.

[M-Dub�]

^^^^^^^^^^^
off this sh-t troll

[Farmer]

USC dont play ****. They beat ND who doesnt play ****. USC would lose to every one of those teams except maybe 2002 tOSU. Hell Auburn this year could beat USC.

I think this years USC team could take anyone on that list.

I sense a lot of resentment in you, young padawan.

You have not provided anything in your statement to back up your claims. So from what you're saying, Texas didn't play anybody either?? Penn St. didn't play anybody either? Those guys played their schedules and the outcome is what it is. If Auburn felt the way that you do, then why didn't their athletic director schedule them to go to So.Cal to play the Trojans??? I'll tell you why, it's because USC basically still has the same personnel they had when they handed Auburn their hats the last time they played. You can't fault USC for that, if you can; then this discussion is obviously over your head and kinda waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of your league.


-Farmer

[djwill13]

USC dont play ****. They beat ND who doesnt play ****. USC would lose to every one of those teams except maybe 2002 tOSU. Hell Auburn this year could beat USC.
man, that's a pretty bold statement.........................that i'd have to tottally disagree with. maybe last year's auburn squad, but this years.........hell no. as bad as it pains me to say this (damn SEC vs Pac-10 talks), SC would blow Auburn away.

[RyanZ923]

USC dont play ****. They beat ND who doesnt play ****. USC would lose to every one of those teams except maybe 2002 tOSU. Hell Auburn this year could beat USC.
ha hes funny, he says USC cant beat **** yet he has reggie bush in his sig.
anyways the only reason ESPN is even doing this is because USC started a dynasty in the era of leaving early for millions, besides after the ND game i believe Matt Leinart and bush can beat any team in college football...ever

[mckracken88]

No offense to farmer but the only reason USC scores 50+ points a game is because they play WAC-10 teams. Name some top 20 defenses USC has played this year. I doubt there's more than 2. Cmon Fresno State was able to hang with USC. And DJ I believe Auburn this year is better than Auburn last year. Kenny Irons is the best RB in the country IMO. Brandon Cox is waay better than Jason Campbell.

[djwill13]

No offense to farmer but the only reason USC scores 50+ points a game is because they play WAC-10 teams. Name some top 20 defenses USC has played this year. I doubt there's more than 2. Cmon Fresno State was able to hang with USC. And DJ I believe Auburn this year is better than Auburn last year. Kenny Irons is the best RB in the country IMO. Brandon Cox is waay better than Jason Campbell.
holy cow man. no offense, but in the country? what about reggie bush, deangelo williams, jerome harrison (who led the nation btw in yards with 1900), brian calhoun, tyrell sutton, lawrence marooney, or marshawn lynch? are you crazy? personally, there are a number of backs i'd take over him in the SEC alone. Irons better than Cadillac..........smoking crack there man, sorry. brandon cox is no jason campbell by any means. all his reads are based off of what they can do with the run. majority of his passing yards come off play action passes. that's just crazy man.

[mckracken88]

How many other RB's dominated SEC defenses the way Irons did. Cmon Irons had 128 yds vs Bama, 218 vs LSU and 179 vs Us(UGA). That is scary. And Campbell had one good season which was last year.

[Kaidog]

You arent giving enough credit to Auburns OL, 3 Seniors 2 Juniors with McNeill a 1st round pick. Look at Alabama's OL, we all know how depleted it was and Darby was 210 for 1161....Irons was 234 for 1205. Irons isnt even in the top 5 YPC in the SEC. Just in the SEC I'd take Darby, McFadden, Broussard or Norwood over Irons anyday. As for Cox, He was a better Soph. than Campbell was, will probably be a better Jr and Sr too if Fat Borgues stays...we'll see.

I see LSU, UT(already started) and Auburn (when Borgues leaves) withering off into mediocrity again very soon. Bama, UGA, UF and SC will be the powers in the SEC very shortly.

[mckracken88]

Yes I agree Tennessee will become mediocre again and Auburn will still be a power as long as Borges stays. Alabama needs to give Shula time and they will become good. Florida should have never let go of Zook. Zook was obviously the best recruiter in America.

[Kaidog]

First Urban Recruiting Class... (http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/teamrank.asp?SID=880) ....doesnt look to bad either :p

[mckracken88]

yeah but Zook brought in the #1 class before he ever got to UF.

[djwill13]

How many other RB's dominated SEC defenses the way Irons did. Cmon Irons had 128 yds vs Bama, 218 vs LSU and 179 vs Us(UGA). That is scary. And Campbell had one good season which was last year.
before you said in the country, but you didn't dispute any of the rb's i said. now it's the SEC. although irons led the league in yards, there are a number of backs i'd take over him. i'd take darby, mcfadden, broussard, addai, thomas brown or danny ware over irons any day (considering brown, ware, and lumpkin all split carries).

consider that bama had no real deep threat once prothro went down, so teams loaded the box against dargan and he still got his. everybody knew mcfarden was gonna run, but he still got his.

[Kaidog]

wtf is dargan......is that his nickname in Georgia? :rolleyes:

[mckracken88]

lmao at dargan and mcfarden

[djwill13]

wtf is dargan......is that his nickname in Georgia? :rolleyes:
thinking of my back in the bicus league from duke. his name is dargan. my bad

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[ThrowTheBall]

Yes I agree Tennessee will become mediocre again and Auburn will still be a power as long as Borges stays. Alabama needs to give Shula time and they will become good. Florida should have never let go of Zook. Zook was obviously the best recruiter in America.

Wow. Just... wow.

First of all, I know Im biased, but noone with the facilities, alumni support, fan support, and overall resources of a Tennessee will be mediocre. Secondly, Ron Zook is an idiot. He could take the Indianapolis Colts into the Sun Belt and go 7-4. Florida is being justified by the way "Illinoise" hasn't even been competitive this year. There is no excuse for how the Illini has been emarrassed each week. Not to mention, you cant have your head coach lead the team to start a fight at a frat house, not even if youre Miami. Whether or not Urban Meyer is the answer is uncertain. But one thing is VERY clear, Ron Zook was NOT the answer.

[Farmer]

No offense to farmer but the only reason USC scores 50+ points a game is because they play WAC-10 teams. Name some top 20 defenses USC has played this year. I doubt there's more than 2. Cmon Fresno State was able to hang with USC. And DJ I believe Auburn this year is better than Auburn last year. Kenny Irons is the best RB in the country IMO. Brandon Cox is waay better than Jason Campbell.


Again, you can't blame them for their schedule. Fresno State gave all their other opponents almost more than they could handle. They're just a gritty team, that dosen't quit.

USC hung 55 (1-4-05) on an Oklahoma team that hadn't given up more than 26 the whole season. They also beat a top ranked ND team that knocked off a few top 10 teams this year also.

As I've said before in numerous discussions, the Pac-10 is a very competitive conference, and like the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, and ACC; there are dominant teams and there are door mat teams. This years Auburn team had a stellar defense just like last years team, but their offense didn't have that 1-2 punch like they did last season, to which VT actually started figuring them out, but ran out of time. This years Auburn just didn't have the offensive punch that would have complimented their defense.

-Farmer

[ThrowTheBall]

Again, you can't blame them for their schedule. Fresno State gave all their other opponents almost more than they could handle. They're just a gritty team, that dosen't quit.

-Farmer

Except for Nevada and Louisiana Tech.



I actually agree though. The five main conferences are close enough that it really doesn't matter which one is best. There is not a big enough difference in playing in the SEC or playing in the PAC-10 to hold it against USC. Now if USC played in the Sun Belt or the MAC, then conference affiliation might be an issue.

[zeroway21]

The best matchup would be Miami 01 vs 05 USC

Let me run you the players on that Miami team

Offense
Ken Dorsey
Clinton Portis (NFL Star)
Willis McGahee (backing up Portis) (NFL Star)
Andre Johnson (NFL Star)
Bryant McKinnie (LT for Vikings NFL Star)
Jeremy Shockey (All-Pro TE)
Brett Romberg (Award winner for best center in NCAA)

Defense (where do I start)
Edward Reed (Best SS in the game)
Jonathan Vilma (ProBowl LB)
DJ Williams (NFL Star)
Sean Taylor (Backup to Ed Reed) (NFL Star)
Antrel Rolle (Freshman) (NFL Rookie)
William Joseph (NFL Star)
Vince Wilfork (NFL Star)
Phillip Buchanon (NFL Star for a minute)
Mike Rumph (Safety fro 49ers)
Jerome McDougle (Good NFL player until he got shot this off-season)

This lineup of players is unpresidented.

This USC doesn't have the NFL talent that Miami had.

Matt Lienart (Average NFL QB, will turn out like Dorsey)
Reggie Bush (STUD)
Lendale White (STUD)
Jarrett (will be good in NFL)

4 players that can be named. You can't name 1 guy that really stands out on that DEF.

This USC team played in 2 close games (ND, Fresno State)
Miami 01 played 1 close game (Boston College)

To me there is no team better than Miami 01 on both sides of the ball.

[Avenge1]

The best matchup would be Miami 01 vs 05 USC

Let me run you the players on that Miami team

Offense
Ken Dorsey
Clinton Portis (NFL Star)
Willis McGahee (backing up Portis) (NFL Star)
Andre Johnson (NFL Star)
Bryant McKinnie (LT for Vikings NFL Star)
Jeremy Shockey (All-Pro TE)
Brett Romberg (Award winner for best center in NCAA)

Defense (where do I start)
Edward Reed (Best SS in the game)
Jonathan Vilma (ProBowl LB)
DJ Williams (NFL Star)
Sean Taylor (Backup to Ed Reed) (NFL Star)
Antrel Rolle (Freshman) (NFL Rookie)
William Joseph (NFL Star)
Vince Wilfork (NFL Star)
Phillip Buchanon (NFL Star for a minute)
Mike Rumph (Safety fro 49ers)
Jerome McDougle (Good NFL player until he got shot this off-season)

This lineup of players is unpresidented.

This USC doesn't have the NFL talent that Miami had.

Matt Lienart (Average NFL QB, will turn out like Dorsey)
Reggie Bush (STUD)
Lendale White (STUD)
Jarrett (will be good in NFL)

4 players that can be named. You can't name 1 guy that really stands out on that DEF.

This USC team played in 2 close games (ND, Fresno State)
Miami 01 played 1 close game (Boston College)

To me there is no team better than Miami 01 on both sides of the ball.

Maybe I don't watch enough NFL to be an expert, but I can only remember seeing 5 or 6 of those guys' names and recognizing them from the NFL. Some who were listed as "stars", I had to ask myself the question "who"?

I agree though that this is a nice choice for a great team.

[maddenbowl62]

The best matchup would be Miami 01 vs 05 USC

Let me run you the players on that Miami team

Offense
Ken Dorsey
Clinton Portis (NFL Star)
Willis McGahee (backing up Portis) (NFL Star)
Andre Johnson (NFL Star)
Bryant McKinnie (LT for Vikings NFL Star)
Jeremy Shockey (All-Pro TE)
Brett Romberg (Award winner for best center in NCAA)

Defense (where do I start)
Edward Reed (Best SS in the game)
Jonathan Vilma (ProBowl LB)
DJ Williams (NFL Star)
Sean Taylor (Backup to Ed Reed) (NFL Star)
Antrel Rolle (Freshman) (NFL Rookie)
William Joseph (NFL Star)
Vince Wilfork (NFL Star)
Phillip Buchanon (NFL Star for a minute)
Mike Rumph (Safety fro 49ers)
Jerome McDougle (Good NFL player until he got shot this off-season)

This lineup of players is unpresidented.

This USC doesn't have the NFL talent that Miami had.

Matt Lienart (Average NFL QB, will turn out like Dorsey)
Reggie Bush (STUD)
Lendale White (STUD)
Jarrett (will be good in NFL)

4 players that can be named. You can't name 1 guy that really stands out on that DEF.

This USC team played in 2 close games (ND, Fresno State)
Miami 01 played 1 close game (Boston College)

To me there is no team better than Miami 01 on both sides of the ball.

That Miami Team would dominate just about everyteam in NCAA football history.

[ondaperimeter]

The best matchup would be Miami 01 vs 05 USC

To me there is no team better than Miami 01 on both sides of the ball.

As much as I hate to give Miami any props, that team was unbelievable. The fact that tOSU knocked them off the next year shows just how much of an upset that was. Wasn't Kellen Winslow Jr. on that '01-'02 Miami squad also?

But hey, if we are counting NFL starters, '93 FSU had their share of guys that had solid NFL careers, including at least 5 members of the secondary that started in the pro's. I'd have to do some research to confirm who was on the '93 team, but I think there was a nice number--especially on defense.

[maddenbowl62]

the Miami team in 2001 averaged 43.2 PPG and allowed only 9.4 PPG. THey had 3 SHoutouts and 4 games where they held there opponent to 7 points or less. They won Road games at Penn ST., F.S.U., and VA tech. Their defense would shut USC to only 17 points.

[Chain Crew86]

For some reason i forgot all about that Miami team.Looking at that list of names is unbelievable.That team could have laid a whoopin' on USC.lol.

Next seasons team to beat is gonna be my Mountaineers.They return almost everyone, and they are deep at every position they are losing.One of the deepest backfields in college football.A great coach in Rich Rodriguez.This year was supposed to be a rebuilding year and they werent supposed to win 6 games.They ended the season 10-1 and ranked 11th.They are a very young team with a ton of talent.They should be ranked top 10 in the preseason next year.I'm willing to say end of season top 5 next year and possibly a run for the title.GO EERS!

[oneshotbuckeye]

I'm only a lurker here, but I'm sorry, I can't let this continue.

I love how the '02 Buckeye squad was relegated to the backseat in National Champs.

Wanna talk about a national caliber team? Here it was: 14-0, knocking off reigning champs '02 Miami (with all that team speed, right, "Soldier" Winslow?), having EVERY SINGLE STARTER on defense drafted. Every. Single. One.

We forced five turnovers that game. We held that explosive offense to nil. Dorsey was looking for his mommy after Wilhelm's hit in OT. Our D-Line massacred the O-Line (which was, by the way, NFL caliber, which speaks even more about our D-Line).

And the fact that there are still players who claim that Miami lost the game because of a penalty 1. Did not watch the game. 2. Do not understand what football IS. 3. Are too blind to realize that Ohio State were being held like never before.

And what about the hold on Gamble that would've allowed us to run the clock out?

Where's the proof, you ask?

Take a look. And never forget that the '02 OSU squad was the best team in college football that year, and I personally believe that that defense was simply dominant. I would take that OSU squad over the USC squad today.

http://www.morrowcounty.info/osumiami.htm
http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/6099100
http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/6483719

And here's the hold that didnt let us run the clock out:
http://img195.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img195&image=gambleheld8qt.swf

I can't believe Miami fans who take away from the kids on that squad without knowing ANY facts.

You want facts? There they are. Video doesn't lie.

The fact is that we won that game fair and square. And to non-Miami fans: Don't get caught up in the whining. Judge for yourself, and then see if you can call that game ending unfair in any way.

[Chain Crew86]

That penalty call was freaking ridiculous.And its not just in Miami fans heads.The announcers of the game couldnt believe a call like that was made in the national championship game.They talked about for exactly that reason we needed some sort of replay system.Oh and did you forget that Miami's work horse McGahee was taken out early in the game.That alone gave OSU the win.

[Farmer]

To me there is no team better than Miami 01 on both sides of the ball.


So you wanna take it there, huh?

I would pit '01 Miami against '04 USC and take '04 USC by 17.

The '04 Trojans were muthas............ They had a dominating, suffocating defense and a potent offense to match. Their offense could overcome a defensive mistake and vice versa.

USC got stalled out on their first drive against OU and got punched in the mouthes as they took the ball and marched down the field and scored on their first posession. SC picked themselves up, dusted themselves off and proceeded to hang 55 on OU; the most points scored on them in any bowl game in their entire history!

No one could stop SC's west coast thunder and lightening. Their receivers would catch damn near every thing thrown their way. Their TE's would put a pancake block on you one minute, then slip out down the field to catch a pass with the greatest of ease.

The Trojan defense was sneaky good. You thought they were just deacent because they were playing lesser teams until you got on the field with them. They would seperate receivers from the ball, and make very big and hard hits. They created lots of turn overs a game and gave their offense a short field to work with. Their front 4 would create pressure with out the need for DB or LB blitzing and they switched from man and zone at the drop of a hat.



That would be a match up I would love to see.

-Farmer

[ondaperimeter]

I love how the '02 Buckeye squad was relegated to the backseat in National Champs.

Wanna talk about a national caliber team? Here it was: 14-0, knocking off reigning champs '02 Miami, having EVERY SINGLE STARTER on defense drafted. Every. Single. One.

We forced five turnovers that game. We held that explosive offense to nil. Dorsey was looking for his mommy...

And the fact that there are still players who claim that Miami lost the game because of a penalty 1. Did not watch the game. 2. Do not understand what football IS. 3. Are too blind to realize that Ohio State were being held like never before.

And what about the hold on Gamble that would've allowed us to run the clock out?

I can't believe Miami fans who take away from the kids on that squad without knowing ANY facts.

You want facts? There they are. Video doesn't lie.


Where's the video of the ball bouncing off Chris Gamble's chest in OT, and the Canes getting flagged for PI?

Trust me, I have no love for the Canes (look at the sig), and I was hyped when tOSU won that game. But the '02 Buckeyes are missing something very necessary to be a serious contender to the title of "Greatest Ever"-- and that is O F F E N S E. Mo-C, Jenkins, Gamble on offense, and then...? Oh yeah--Gamble is a DB in the NFL, and Clerette is um...well, you know--nothing. So that leaves Jenkins. tOSU beat a great team that believed it's own press clippings and didn't show up ready to play. And they won it the way you have to win games like that--with the running game and physical D for 4+ Quarters. But could they hang with some of these other teams? Humm...not if they can't score.

Why did you wait so long to jump into the conversation? Stop ghosting and join the discussion! Welcome to the thread :D

[Kaidog]

I thought the 93 FSU team was one of the best. 92 Alabama was a special team, but the offense was rather dim on that squad. We had the best scoring D Ive ever seen, but the O just made sure we didnt lose.

[ondaperimeter]

This whole USC vs. History thing has got to be pissing off Texas. IMO, if the 'Horns win there is no reason they shouldn't get on the greatest ever list too b/c they beat the 2 time defending National Champs and destroyed everybody on their schedule...

[blueweeds]

i know im late but i feel that 95 nebraska with there dominating offensive line and stout defense could be the best

i know not too many of the nebraska players translated into great pros but that isnt the measure of a great college team.

i think there are too many outstanding performers to guess who is the best bo jackson could run for days in a tournament of champions and auburn win

or charles white and ronnie lott could come through and take it.(usc)

or hugh green and dan marino could run the show.(pitt)

jameel holloway and keith jackson.(oklahoma)

d brooks marvin jones and charlie ward might run it.(fsu)

too many talented guys that could explode in a matchup of greats to determine who has the advantage....

VT looked like a huge favorite on paper and miami and fsu destroyed them.(this year)

on paper usc looks dam good on the field usc has proven themselves to be dam good but...........


if vegas sets a two sided line there is no gurantees lol...........

[RyanZ923]

This whole USC vs. History thing has got to be pissing off Texas. IMO, if the 'Horns win there is no reason they shouldn't get on the greatest ever list too b/c they beat the 2 time defending National Champs and destroyed everybody on their schedule...
yah but texas wont win and they didnt destroy ohio state, also i could probably destroy the big 12 and im a short white kid

[M-Dub�]

93 FSU was a good team, but they needed help from the refs to get by a Nebraska team that was nowhere near the team they were 2 years later. Also, I agree with blueweeds that how the players did in the NFL has no bearing on comparing college teams. Tommie Frazier didn't play a down in the NFL, but he was one of the greatest, if not THE greatest, college football players of all time.

I admit I'm kind of a Big XII homer, but I absolutely despise Nebraska. Still, I can recognize greatness when I see it, and that 95 Huskers team was on a different level. Of the teams mentioned, only 04 SC and maybe 01 Miami could give them a decent challenge. But I still say the Huskers could take either of those teams in a best of 7 series.

[UncleHusker]

I've seen this poll and the whole thing is laughable.

How in the name of all that is good, decent and righteous can '97 Michigan be there when '97 Nebraska isn't?

The kicker....the thing that invalidates this entire list is '94 PSU. Since '94 PSU was SECOND to '94 Nebraska in BOTH of the major polls....they simply should NOT be on this list. If they are trying to be equitable, leave both of these teams off and put '04 USC down.

Here are some FACTS about '95 Nebraska and 2005 USC:

Margin of Victory:

'95 Nebraska: 38.6 points
'05 USC: 28.6

That's a TEN point difference

Points scored during season:

'95 Nebraska: 638
'05 USC: 600

Points allowed during season:

'95 Nebraska: 174 (average/game: 14.5)
'05 USC: 256 (average/game: 21.3)

Top 10 opponents played:

'95 Nebraska: 4 (#2 Fla, #7 CU, #8 KSU, #10 KU)
'05 USC: 1 (#9 ND)

Number of times opponents held to 10 pts or less:

'95 Nebraska: 5
'05 USC: 1

Number of time opponents shut out:

'95 Nebraska: 2
'05 USC: 0

Nebraska was stronger offensively and stronger defensively, beat their opponents by a greater margin and played more top 10 teams.

This comparison is ridiculous! '95 Nebraska is a better team than either of the past two USC versions. Also, since 2005 Texas just might be (and in my opinion IS) better than 2005 USC...isn't this thing pointless?

rant off...

[ThrowTheBall]

USC's defense this year is about as scary as a cloudy day. I think alot of people are overrating there historical significance based on thier offensive skill players (who actually owe alot of their production to the offensive line)

[M-Dub�]

I've seen this poll and the whole thing is laughable.

How in the name of all that is good, decent and righteous can '97 Michigan be there when '97 Nebraska isn't?

The kicker....the thing that invalidates this entire list is '94 PSU. Since '94 PSU was SECOND to '94 Nebraska in BOTH of the major polls....they simply should NOT be on this list. If they are trying to be equitable, leave both of these teams off and put '04 USC down.

Here are some FACTS about '95 Nebraska and 2005 USC:

Margin of Victory:

'95 Nebraska: 38.6 points
'05 USC: 28.6

That's a TEN point difference

Points scored during season:

'95 Nebraska: 638
'05 USC: 600

Points allowed during season:

'95 Nebraska: 174 (average/game: 14.5)
'05 USC: 256 (average/game: 21.3)

Top 10 opponents played:

'95 Nebraska: 4 (#2 Fla, #7 CU, #8 KSU, #10 KU)
'05 USC: 1 (#9 ND)

Number of times opponents held to 10 pts or less:

'95 Nebraska: 5
'05 USC: 1

Number of time opponents shut out:

'95 Nebraska: 2
'05 USC: 0

Nebraska was stronger offensively and stronger defensively, beat their opponents by a greater margin and played more top 10 teams.

This comparison is ridiculous! '95 Nebraska is a better team than either of the past two USC versions. Also, since 2005 Texas just might be (and in my opinion IS) better than 2005 USC...isn't this thing pointless?

rant off...

Damn, it's about time a Husker fan came in here and took up this argument for me. I was really starting to feel queasy.

[ondaperimeter]

Damn, it's about time a Husker fan came in here and took up this argument for me. I was really starting to feel queasy.
Lol! That's how I feel arguing for the Canes (Yuk!).




So, by these measures, we need to get '88 Notre Dame near the top of this list. They knocked off a #1, #2, and #3 in the same season...one of them being the The Canes, ending their long winning streak (Aaah, that felt better :D ).

[ThrowTheBall]

Meh. Give me Tennessee in 1998.

[ondaperimeter]

Meh. Give me Tennessee in 1998.
Huh. Life without Peyton was good, wasn't it?

[ThrowTheBall]

Huh. Life without Peyton was good, wasn't it?
Yes it was...for a year. The big difference, and I never thought about it untile recently, was Cutcliffe. The offense was alot more smooth, and alot more efficient when he was here. After he went to Ole Miss, the Vols have not had a quarterback to develop (he was the QBs coach), and there would be games where I just asked myself, did the offense even practice this week? That doesn't just go for this year, either.

Obviously Peyton was very good, but Cutcliffe knew how to coach quarterbacks and demanded technical perfection. Hopefully his second term as OC will be as good as the first.

[Yorke]

I'll take my 2005 Longhorns, I think they will run all over the USC defense, and our Defense should hold its own.

Should be a good game.

[ondaperimeter]

The big difference, and I never thought about it untile recently, was Cutcliffe. The offense was alot more smooth, and alot more efficient when he was here. After he went to Ole Miss, the Vols have not had a quarterback to develop (he was the QBs coach), and there would be games where I just asked myself, did the offense even practice this week? Obviously Peyton was very good, but Cutcliffe knew how to coach quarterbacks and demanded technical perfection.
That sounds SOOOO familiar...just sub in "Richt" for "Cutcliffe", and "UGA" for "Ole Miss" :rolleyes: .

I'll take my 2005 Longhorns, I think they will run all over the USC defense, and our Defense should hold its own.

I'm with you on this one. I think the conditions are right for an upset...
If SC wins, it's because Reggie Bush takes over the game like he did against ND and Fresno.

[ThrowTheBall]

That sounds SOOOO familiar...just sub in "Richt" for "Cutcliffe", and "UGA" for "Ole Miss" :rolleyes: .
Yea, FSU and Tennessee's problems are parralleled, except Tennessee is at an advanced state right now. FSU isn't in quite as bad a shape, probably because FSU is able to get more talent, and as bad as Jeff Bowden is, he's not as bad as Randy Sanders. Sanders is an ok position coach, he just wasnt coordinator material.

[seanranel]

man, that's a pretty bold statement.........................that i'd have to tottally disagree with. maybe last year's auburn squad, but this years.........hell no. as bad as it pains me to say this (damn SEC vs Pac-10 talks), SC would blow Auburn away.


I have to agree, also, I think SC would kill this year and last year's Auburn team. But.......I do however think SC would get taken to the woodshed if they had played LSU that year they were both "co-champions".

[zeroway21]

USC is good, no doubt. They arguably have one of the best offenses ever. Bush may be the best college football player I've ever personally watched play. Leinart is very good, White is one of the best backs in the country playing in Bush's shadow, Jarrett is good, and they have the best O-line in the country (that makes everyone else look better). Also, they do play in a league full of TERRIBLE defenses.

If USC played in the SEC, I can tell you for sure that they would not have won 30-something straight, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I think 95 Nebraska would have demolished USC just like they demolished our high-powered offense. I think a lot of other teams could have scored enough on USC that whoever had the ball last wins. Hell, Fresno State did it, I'm sure 1996 Florida or most of the other teams on the list could too.

[Farmer]

I'll take my 2005 Longhorns, I think they will run all over the USC defense, and our Defense should hold its own.

Should be a good game.


I agree that the conditions are right for an upset as well, but that's if and only if USC comes out flat on their first few series.

Should USC come out sharp and ready to play, Texas will have a game on their hands the likes of which they have not seen. Kinda like the tOSU game they played earlier this year, but the difference this time will be Pete Carroll uses his best QB to get the job done, as well as using each and every weapon he has on offense. I believe Carroll will get his defense fired up to keep his team in the game, as will Mac Brown his.

I'm looking for the game to be in the mid 30's, and quite possibly have to be settled in OT.


-Farmer

[Farmer]

I've seen this poll and the whole thing is laughable.

How in the name of all that is good, decent and righteous can '97 Michigan be there when '97 Nebraska isn't?

The kicker....the thing that invalidates this entire list is '94 PSU. Since '94 PSU was SECOND to '94 Nebraska in BOTH of the major polls....they simply should NOT be on this list. If they are trying to be equitable, leave both of these teams off and put '04 USC down.

Here are some FACTS about '95 Nebraska and 2005 USC:

Margin of Victory:

'95 Nebraska: 38.6 points
'05 USC: 28.6

That's a TEN point difference

Points scored during season:

'95 Nebraska: 638
'05 USC: 600

Points allowed during season:

'95 Nebraska: 174 (average/game: 14.5)
'05 USC: 256 (average/game: 21.3)

Top 10 opponents played:

'95 Nebraska: 4 (#2 Fla, #7 CU, #8 KSU, #10 KU)
'05 USC: 1 (#9 ND)

Number of times opponents held to 10 pts or less:

'95 Nebraska: 5
'05 USC: 1

Number of time opponents shut out:

'95 Nebraska: 2
'05 USC: 0

Nebraska was stronger offensively and stronger defensively, beat their opponents by a greater margin and played more top 10 teams.

This comparison is ridiculous! '95 Nebraska is a better team than either of the past two USC versions. Also, since 2005 Texas just might be (and in my opinion IS) better than 2005 USC...isn't this thing pointless?

rant off...

I'm not a big fan of this poll thingy either, because I personally think all this does is stoke and fuel a fire in the Texas players.

But to answer your post, I wouldn't pit the '05 Trojans against your '95 Huskers. A better match up for your '95 Huskers would be the '04 Trojans.

I'm having trouble finding their end of season stats, but I can promise you there wouldn't be any large gaps like the ones you have in your comparison. Honestly I would take the '04 Trojans against any NC team you could come up with and favor the '04 Trojans to win.


-Farmer

[maddenbowl62]

I've seen this poll and the whole thing is laughable.

How in the name of all that is good, decent and righteous can '97 Michigan be there when '97 Nebraska isn't?

The kicker....the thing that invalidates this entire list is '94 PSU. Since '94 PSU was SECOND to '94 Nebraska in BOTH of the major polls....they simply should NOT be on this list. If they are trying to be equitable, leave both of these teams off and put '04 USC down.

Here are some FACTS about '95 Nebraska and 2005 USC:

Margin of Victory:

'95 Nebraska: 38.6 points
'05 USC: 28.6

That's a TEN point difference

Points scored during season:

'95 Nebraska: 638
'05 USC: 600

Points allowed during season:

'95 Nebraska: 174 (average/game: 14.5)
'05 USC: 256 (average/game: 21.3)

Top 10 opponents played:

'95 Nebraska: 4 (#2 Fla, #7 CU, #8 KSU, #10 KU)
'05 USC: 1 (#9 ND)

Number of times opponents held to 10 pts or less:

'95 Nebraska: 5
'05 USC: 1

Number of time opponents shut out:

'95 Nebraska: 2
'05 USC: 0

Nebraska was stronger offensively and stronger defensively, beat their opponents by a greater margin and played more top 10 teams.

This comparison is ridiculous! '95 Nebraska is a better team than either of the past two USC versions. Also, since 2005 Texas just might be (and in my opinion IS) better than 2005 USC...isn't this thing pointless?

rant off...

Here are other facts:

Don't forget that Nebraska was the only team in history to win 4 games agaisnt top 10 teams. They beat those teams by an average of 28 points. they beat winning teams by an average of 36 points.

They never trailed once in the second half

They crushed florida 62-24. They rushed for 524 yards while Florida ran for just -28 yards.

the closest margin of victory was 14 to WSU. the second closest was to Colorado at Boulder by 23 points.

they ran for 444.1 rushing yards per game with a 7.5 yards per carry average.

THe Nebraska offense was a lot better than USC's. The best total defense USC facd was 34th vs. Fresno state. 5 games against teams ranked in the 100's.

[ondaperimeter]

they ran for 444.1 rushing yards per game with a 7.5 yards per carry average.

And people KNEW the option was coming. Scouted it. Video taped it. Practiced against it. Still couldn't stop it!

[RyanZ923]

man for bein a thread started to trash espn for their stupid idea, this has become quite the argument

[Kaidog]

Well so far they say USC 05 would have beaten...

Wash 91
OSU 02
Texas 69
Michigan 97
FSU 99
OU 55
ND 88
PSU 94
Bama 79

2 teams left...

I have a feeling u guys might be right....95 Nebraska is going to take them down at #2.....05 Texas should be #1...because they are going to beat them too...

[M-Dub�]

I guess I don't watch enough ESPN, but I still haven't seen this. When, specifically, is it on? Is it a free-standing show, or just a segment on SportsCenter? When is the next one supposed to be?

[ondaperimeter]

Just a segment where Chris Fowler asks Herbstriet and Mark May what they think after profiling each historic team.

So I guess they are saying that Texas is one of the top 3 teams ever, b/c this is going to be a very close Rose Bowl. In fact, In 10 years, with a a TX win and guys like Young, Sweed, Charles and others going on to have solid pro careers (remember Priest Holmes rode the bench at TX), TX could claim that #1 spot.

[heavy_hitter]

I guess I don't watch enough ESPN, but I still haven't seen this. When, specifically, is it on? Is it a free-standing show, or just a segment on SportsCenter? When is the next one supposed to be?

I don't watch much ESPN unless there is a game on. The journalism efforts of the ESPN guys are rather low. I take what they have to say as a grain of salt. Then you have Sportscenter which is real lame entertainment.

[ondaperimeter]

Well so far they say USC 05 would have beaten...

Wash 91
OSU 02
Texas 69
Michigan 97
FSU 99
OU 55
ND 88
PSU 94
Bama 79


* '05 SC doesn't beat '97 Michigan (That D was just too serious and Chuck Wood was huge in the biggest games).

* '05 SC doesn't beat '99 FSU (Too much D, and the "0" rolls with Wenkie, Warrwick, and Minnis).

* '05 SC doesn't beat '88 Notre Dame (for the same reason they wouldn't beat '95 Nebraska--can't stop the option and too many athletes on D).

* '05 SC doesn't beat '94 Penn State (That "O" could hang big points on anybody--they might punt one time the entire game).

* '05 SC doesn't beat '04 SC (Last years team had a Defense).

[maddenbowl62]

I guess I don't watch enough ESPN, but I still haven't seen this. When, specifically, is it on? Is it a free-standing show, or just a segment on SportsCenter? When is the next one supposed to be?

IT is on every day on the 6 o'clock sportscenter. Then they repeat it on ESPNNEWS for the whole night. Then they have it on the all of the morning sportscenters. It

[maddenbowl62]

Mark May says USC would beat 01 Miami 21-20 or 23-20. How can you say a team that only beat Fresno State by 8 at home could beat the #2 team ever.

[ThrowTheBall]

Mark May says USC would beat 01 Miami 21-20 or 23-20. How can you say a team that only beat Fresno State by 8 at home could beat the #2 team ever.
Forget that. What is difference between 21-20 and 23-20? Is he leaving it up to whether or not the ref says Dorsey was intentionally grounding from the end zone?

[RyanZ923]

i dont know why u all care so much about a little segment on ESPN, its just a gimmick to hype the NC which is on ABC, its sister station, so u guys need to stop takin everything they say so personally

[ThrowTheBall]

This is one of the more ascinine things they have done. As dumb as ESPN has gotten, I still take them over Fox Sports. That crap is like Sports Hee Haw.

[NevadaRXS]

ESPN has switched to the dark side. They were once good (like young annikan), showing great games, and quality, entertaining highlights. But now they are caught up in their own agendas and been ruled by their corporate master (the evil empire of ABC). I am beginning to not like sportscenter...after 10+ years of watching it every morning, it is starting to leave me in a foul mood...I am still bitter that the ending to the neb-mich game was not one of the top 10 plays...how???....ugghhh!!!

[mcnaire2004]

Damn have i been off this board for a long time im back now with my opinions on post that i may have read from page 1 through here. I will start by clearing up a point made by some one on the first page. Vince Wilfork was not a starter for the 02 miami team (he was a factor). Now i would like to say that these miami deffenses would stop/realy slow down SCs offense 2000,2001,2002,2003,2005. These Offenses would realy hurt SCs D 1999,2000,2001,2002. That 2001 miami team was a monster. There were 7 members of that backfeild in the NFL right now. 1qb 5RB 1FB. There were 4 first round OL on that team, 7 DL from that team in the NFL, 6LBs, 9DBs all in the NFL. That team was loaded. Imagine the year earlier (2000) when miami had santana moss and reggie wayne. O well just ranting. Yes ESPN sometimes can be closeminded. but damn so what there still the best sports networks around. Yes im mad that play didn't make the top 10 but they have shown the whole play every sportscenter. I don't see the reason to decide to watch ABC or FOX more and exile ESPN from your life and be close minded. B/c ABC and FOX sports shows don't come on till 5 mins b/4 game (i watch all sports networks).You say its becoming to mutch entertainment well your right if you pay close attention you'll notice the name is the ENTERTAINMENT & SPORTS PROGRAMING NETWORK. They run out of stuff to show all the time besides the fact of the time zones have you ever wondered why 90% of the night is sportscenter and 100% of morning is? or it comes on again at 6 then 11. Give them a break. Each person brings a diff point of view and i like to watch them debate. more ranting

[maddenbowl62]

herbstreit says USC beats 95' Nebraska but May says Nebraska wins 30-24. I still can't see how USC stops nebraska's running game.

[VTHokie32]

99 Florida State
00 Sooners
58 Irish
58 MSU Spartans
92 Tide
04 Trojans

I can assure you any of those teams would/could stay with in 10 points of the 95 Nebraska Huskers, and beat them. Well............. not the 00 Sooners, they had an average offense, but their defense could have held the Cornhuskers offense in check to keep them with in 10 points.

JMO.

-Farmer

No way, the Blackshirts were flat nasty that year, they would've pitched a shutout, and the option game would've worn the Sooners down, eventually Phillips would've popped a big one on them. I say Huskers 13-0.

[kokotan]

I guess USC was good enough to beat National Champions of other years, just not 2005

[mstaple]

Nebraska wasn't THAT good. they barely beat Missouri and got flat lucky to win that game.

[UncleHusker]

This comparison is ridiculous! '95 Nebraska is a better team than either of the past two USC versions. Also, since 2005 Texas just might be (and in my opinion IS) better than 2005 USC...isn't this thing pointless?

lol....i love being right :)

Nebraska wasn't THAT good. they barely beat Missouri and got flat lucky to win that game.

I won't go into heavy detail about this because it's easy to look back on many of sports greatest moments and say "that was lucky"... but put this in perspective. The kick play at the end of the Mizzou game was only 3rd down. Many people are too young to remember this, or just plain forget it. If we hadn't made this play, we still would have had ONE MORE DOWN. :p ;)

[mstaple]

Nebraska had the easiest schedule on the planet so of course they won by large margins. I mean they had a great team and all but they weren't that great when you look at there strength of schedule.

[M-Dub�]

Nebraska wasn't THAT good. they barely beat Missouri and got flat lucky to win that game.

In 1995, Nebraska beat Missouri 57-0. There was no luck involved...

[M-Dub�]

Nebraska had the easiest schedule on the planet so of course they won by large margins. I mean they had a great team and all but they weren't that great when you look at there strength of schedule.

Date Opponent Site Result AP Rank Att.
NU/Opp
08/31 #Oklahoma St. Stillwater W 64-21 2/ 42,100
09/09 Michigan St. E. Lansing W 50-10 2/ 73,891
09/16 Arizona State Lincoln W 77-28 2/ 75,418
09/23 Pacific Lincoln W 49-7 2/ 75,630
09/30 Washington St. Lincoln W 35-21 2/ 75,777
10/14 #Missouri Lincoln W 57-0 2/ 75,552
10/21 #Kansas St.-HC Lincoln W 49-25 2/8 76,072
10/28 #Colorado Boulder W 44-21 2/7 54,063
11/04 #Iowa State Lincoln W 73-14 1/ 75,505
11/11 #Kansas Lawrence W 41-3 1/10 53,300
11/24 #Oklahoma Lincoln W 37-0 1/ 75,662
01/02 Florida* Tempe W 62-24 1/2 79,864

* Fiesta Bowl | Roster

How is four top 10 teams an easy schedule??? Dude, quit while you are behind.

P.S. 95 Nebraska would beat 05 Texas by two scores.

[maddenbowl62]

How is four top 10 teams an easy schedule??? Dude, quit while you are behind.

P.S. 95 Nebraska would beat 05 Texas by two scores.

they beat those teams by an average of 30.75 points.

[UncleHusker]

In 1995, Nebraska beat Missouri 57-0. There was no luck involved...

I was gonna say something about this, but i'm sure we all know he's referring to the 97 squad. This is obviously some kid with a vast hatred for Nebraska if he's spewwing out his garbage with his years mixed up....lol