My 2nd Chise

[KaTaNa]

In addition to my members chise, i am gunna do a very original chise.

you guys are gunna go position by position, and agree on who the best player to ever play that position was. then i am going to create a team with all the greats, and play a franchise. HOOK ME UP YO!



QB1: Joe Montana
QB2: Johnny Unitas
QB3: John Elway

HB1: Barry Sanders
HB2: Walter Payton
HB3: Jim Brown
HB4: Gale Sayers

FB1: Tom Rathman

WR1: Jerry Rice
WR2: Lynn Swann
WR 3: Randy Moss
WR 4: Art Monk

TE1: Kellen Winslow
TE2: Shannon Sharpe

LT1: Jackie Slater
LT2: Dan Dierdorf

RT1: Forrest Gregg
RT2: Anthony Munoz

LG1: Gene Upshaw
LG2: Larry Little

RG1: Mike Munchak
RG2: Larry Little

C1: Jim Ott
C2: Mike Webster

LE1: Reggie White
LE2: Bruce Smith

RE1: Deacon Jones
RE2: Howie Long

DT1: Joe Greene
DT2: Bob Lilly
DT3: Art Donovan
DT4: Merlin Olson

ROLB1: Derrick Thomas
ROLB2: Jack Ham

LOLB1: Lawrence Taylor

MLB1: Mike Singletary
MLB2: Ray Nitschke

CB1: Deion Sanders
CB2: Night Train Lane
CB 3: Rod Woodson
CB4: Herb Adderly

SS: Ronnie Lott

FS: Willie Wood

K: Adam Vinatieri

P: Sammy Baugh


IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY ARGUMENTS ABOUT MY PLACEMENT OF PLAYERS, VOICE THEM TO ME AND I WILL PUT IT TO A VOTE

[steelersrock]

QB1: John Elway

[Pat]

QB: Dan Marino
RB: Barry Sanders
TE: Shannon Sharpe
DE: Reggie White
OLB: the real LT
CB: "Prime Time"

[steelersrock]

QB: Dan Marino
RB: Barry Sanders
TE: Shannon Sharpe
DE: Reggie White
OLB: the real LT
CB: "Prime Time"

Dan Marino? What did he do in his career? He was the Peyton Manning of the 80's and 90's. Yeah he owns all the records but 0 rings and he'd suck in the playoffs.

[rhythmatic]

QB1: Joe Montana
QB2: Steve Young
QB3: John Elway

HB1: Walter Payton
HB2: Barry Sanders
HB3: Jim Brown
HB4: Gale Sayers

FB1: THE FRIDGE.. haha

WR1: Jerry Rice
WR2: Lynn Swann

TE1: Shannon Sharpe? I guess..

LT1
LT2

RT1:
RT2:

LG1:
LG2:

RG1:
RG2:

C1:
C2:

LE1: Reggie White
LE2:

RE1: Deacon Jones
RE2:

DT1: Joe Greene
DT2:
DT3:
DT4:

ROLB1:
ROLB2:

LOLB1: Lawrence Taylor

MLB1: Mike Singletary
MLB2: Ray Lewis

CB1: Deion Sanders
CB2: Night Train Lane

SS: Ronnie Lott

K: Adam Vinatieri

[realhawker]

qb Marino
HB Sanders
FB Alstott/Moose Johnston
TE A. Gates
WR Rice
WR T.O.
WR M. Irvin
WR Moss/Harrison

o- line

walter jones
Larry allen


d-line
John Randle/Sapp
Lawrence taylor
Reggie white

lbs
ray lewis
Derrick thomas
mike singletary

cbs
deion sanders
rod woodson

safteys

ronnie lott

[KaTaNa]

hmmm theres gotta be a more organized way of doing this


lol theres gunna be a lot of arguements

[realhawker]

Dan Marino? What did he do in his career? He was the Peyton Manning of the 80's and 90's. Yeah he owns all the records but 0 rings and he'd suck in the playoffs.

yeah dan marino and peyton SUCK!!!!!!!

rofl

[steelersrock]

Okay I'ma give a list instead of just tellin' my QB.

QB Elway
HB Sanders
FB Alstott
WR Rice
WR 2 Irvin
WR 3 Swann
TE Winslow
O Line Mike Webster
D Line Reggie White
D Line Mean Joe Greene
LB Mike Singletary
LB Dick Butkus
CB Sanders
CB Dick Lebeau
S Ronnie Lott
K Vinatieri

[steelersrock]

yeah dan marino and peyton SUCK!!!!!!!

rofl

I said they sucked in the playoffs, in the regular season they're the best ever. Give me 3 great games that Marino had in the playoffs and give me the stats. That's why I'll pick anyone who won a SB over Marino, even Trent Dilfer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[realhawker]

I said they sucked in the playoffs, in the regular season they're the best ever. Give me 3 great games that Marino had in the playoffs and give me the stats. That's why I'll pick anyone who won a SB over Marino, even Trent Dilfer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

your opinion on this matter is slightly ignorant.

it takes a team to win.... sometimes the best qb didnt have the best teammates.

I would take marino on the 2000 ravens over dilfer. this is the best players at the position. not who won superbowls.

[steelersrock]

your opinion on this matter is slightly ignorant.

it takes a team to win.... sometimes the best qb didnt have the best teammates.

I would take marino on the 2000 ravens over dilfer. this is the best players at the position. not who won superbowls.

Okay my bad, my personel hatred for Marino is showing in this thread.

[GB36]

In addition to my members chise, i am gunna do a very original chise.

you guys are gunna go position by position, and agree on who the best player to ever play that position was. then i am going to create a team with all the greats, and play a franchise. HOOK ME UP YO!



QB1: Joe Montana
QB2: Johnny Unitas
QB3: John Elway

HB1: Walter Payton
HB2: Jim Brown
HB3: Barry Sanders
HB4: Gale Sayers

FB1: Tom Rathman

WR1: Jerry Rice
WR2: Lynn Swann
WR 3: Don Hutson
WR 4: Steve Largent

TE1: Kellen Winslow

LT1: Jackie Slater
LT2: Dan Dierdorf

RT1: Forrest Gregg
RT2: Anthony Munoz

LG1: Gene Upshaw
LG2: Larry Little

RG1: Mike Munchak
RG2: Larry Little

C1: Jim Ott
C2: Mike Webster

LE1: Reggie White
LE2: Bruce Smith

RE1: Deacon Jones
RE2: Howie Long

DT1: Joe Greene
DT2: Bob Lilly
DT3: Art Donovan
DT4: Merlin Olson

ROLB1: Derrick Thomas
ROLB2: Jack Ham

LOLB1: Lawrence Taylor

MLB1: Mike Singletary
MLB2: Ray Nitschke

CB1: Rod Woodson
CB2: Night Train Lane
CB 3: Deion Sanders
CB4: Herb Adderly

SS: Ronnie Lott

FS: Willie Wood

K: Adam Vinatieri

P: Sammy Baugh


Need some love for your old school players up in here...

[KaTaNa]

hawker u are absolutely correct, who the hell in thier right mind would take dilfer over marino, even if he didnt win the SB. u said it yourself he has records, so apparently he is a great qb. what if he had the game of his life, threw 20 td passes in a SB game, and the other team scored jsut as many, and then what if the RB for the fins fumbled and it got returned for a TD and they lost the SB. would u say marino is worse than dilfer because he didnt win that game even though he threw 20 tds?

[KaTaNa]

everyone check my list so far, and voice ur arguments

[KaTaNa]

and alos guys, how am i gunna do the stats for these players and sign them without going over the cap?


should i go to a different profile, and go to the roster of a team like texans or something, and change name and attributes?

[GB36]

Or check my full list with all positions filled and show me where I'm wrong. ;)

I'll take that team to war and destroy any team out there. :cool:

[KaTaNa]

list Is Done!!!!! Any Arguments Will Be Put To A Vote!!!!!!!

[KaTaNa]

if nobody has anything to argue about, i guess i will start getting attributes together


i will leave the arguing up for 1 day and then i will start getting attributes for players

[GB36]

3 guys I disagree with...

FB Alstott
I'd take Darryl Johnston or Tom Rathman over Alstott as they were both better blockers, had good hands and have alot more SB rings then Alstott, or you could go real old school with Bronco Nagurski

TE1 Antonio Gates
Gates has 1 great year and 1 good year, no way you can annoint a guy who's had 2 good years as the best ever. Kellen Winslow was Sharpe/Gates before they were around and is still respected as the greatest TE of all time in football circles

WR3 Michael Irvin
Isn't in the Hall of Fame and didn't put up dominant numbers even when he did play. The only talent he had was the ability to push off and not get caught. I'd go Art Monk the more I think about it, best WR to play that isn't in the Hall for some stupid reason I can't understand. Fred Biletnikoff, James Lofton, John Stallworth are all way more worthy as well.

[KaTaNa]

is there anyone who will offer to help me get information on theses players like height weight college jersey numbers etc.


i would love if more than 1 person could help me out

[steelersrock]

is there anyone who will offer to help me get information on theses players like height weight college jersey numbers etc.


i would love if more than 1 person could help me out

I will.......

[KaTaNa]

sweet man just do whichever players u want cus i gotta go to bed, do how ever many u want too

[steelersrock]

I only got 2 players 'cause I'm goin' to sleep soon, I'll try to atleast get 10-15 tomorrow.

Ronnie Lott
Height 6-1 Weight 203
Derrick Thomas
6'3", 247

[realhawker]

is there anyone who will offer to help me get information on theses players like height weight college jersey numbers etc.


i would love if more than 1 person could help me out

just load up one of the classic teams. All youll need is someone to tell you when the person was in their prime year.

ex. Montana.... 1989 Niners. load up the 1989 niners and look for the 99 OVR QB. Copy him.

[KaTaNa]

steelers i need jersey numvbers too

[steelersrock]

steelers i need jersey numvbers too

Okay I'll get some done later on today.

[realhawker]

Barry sanders has to be above Walter Payton. Payton was good, but he had a much better offense to go along with during his career.

Also, what's the average age of readers/posters here? I can't see posting for guys we've never seen play except in highlight reels, or are just reading off some classic football players list.

[RealDeal27]

I agree with irvin being up their

no love for Emmitt Smith :confused:

[VerticalCowboy]

Anybody who says "how many Super Bowls did he win?" when evaluating a qb knows nothing about football. Marino and Elway were about equals. I can't comment on Unitas or the older guys, I never saw them play. The greatest wr I ever saw was Charlie Joiner. At the skill positions I will go with:

QB- Dan Marino
rb- Walter Payton
wr- Charlie Joiner
wr- Randy Moss
te- Kellen Winslow

[KaTaNa]

i jsut need help doing the skill stats like speed awr etc



QB1: Joe Montana Height: 6' 2'' Weight: 197
QB2: Johnny Unitas Height: 6-1. Weight: 195 pounds
QB3: John Elway Height: 6-3 Weight: 215

HB1: Walter Payton Height, 5-10. Weight, 202
HB2: Barry Sanders Height: 5-8, Weight: 200 lbs
HB3: Jim Brown Height: 6'2" Weight: 232
HB4: Gale Sayers Height: 6' 0'' Weight: 199

FB1: Tom Rathman Height, 5-11. Weight, 234

WR1: Jerry Rice Height: 6-2 Weight: 200
WR2: Lynn Swann Height: 6' 0'' Weight: 180
WR 3: Randy Moss Height: 6-4 Weight: 204
WR 4: Art Monk Height: 6' 3'' Weight: 210

TE1: Kellen Winslow Height: 6-4 Weight: 250
TE2: Shannon Sharpe Height: 6-2 Weight: 228

LT1: Jackie Slater Height, 6-7. Weight, 325
LT2: Dan Dierdorf Height: 6' 3'' Weight: 280

RT1: Forrest Gregg Height: 6' 4'' Weight: 249
RT2: Anthony Munoz Height: 6'6" Weight: 275

LG1: Gene Upshaw Height: 6' 5'' Weight: 255
LG2: Larry Little Height: 6-2½. Weight: 225

RG1: Mike Munchak Height: 6' 3'' Weight: 281
RG2: Larry Little Height/Weight: 6-1/265

C1: Jim Ott
C2: Mike Webster

LE1: Reggie White Height: 6-5. Weight: 300 lbs
LE2: Bruce Smith Height: 6-4 Weight: 265

RE1: Deacon Jones Height: 6' 5'' Weight: 254
RE2: Howie Long Height: 6' 5'' Weight: 270

DT1: Joe Greene Height: 6' 4'' Weight: 269
DT2: Bob Lilly Height: 6' 4'' Weight: 256
DT3: Art Donovan Height/Weight: 6-2/263
DT4: Merlin Olson Height: 6' 5'' Weight: 270

ROLB1: Derrick Thomas 6'3", 247

ROLB2: Jack Ham Height: 6' 3'' Weight: 224

LOLB1: Lawrence Taylor Height: 6' 3'' Weight: 241

MLB1: Mike Singletary Height: 5' 12'' Weight: 230
MLB2: Ray Nitschke Height: 6' 3'' Weight: 235

CB1: Deion Sanders Height: 6-1 Weight: 198
CB2: Dick Lane Height: 6’2” Weight: 210 lbs
CB 3: Rod Woodson Height: 5-11. Weight: 205
CB4: Herb Adderly Height: 6' 0'' Weight: 200

SS: Ronnie Lott Height 6-1 Weight 203

FS: Willie Wood Height: 5' 10'' Weight: 189

K: Adam Vinatieri Height: 6-0 Weight: 202

P: Sammy Baugh Height: 6-2 Weight: 180

[steelersrock]

i jsut need help doing the skill stats like speed awr etc



QB1: Joe Montana Height: 6' 2'' Weight: 197
QB2: Johnny Unitas Height: 6-1. Weight: 195 pounds
QB3: John Elway Height: 6-3 Weight: 215

HB1: Walter Payton Height, 5-10. Weight, 202
HB2: Barry Sanders Height: 5-8, Weight: 200 lbs
HB3: Jim Brown Height: 6'2" Weight: 232
HB4: Gale Sayers Height: 6' 0'' Weight: 199

FB1: Tom Rathman Height, 5-11. Weight, 234

WR1: Jerry Rice Height: 6-2 Weight: 200
WR2: Lynn Swann Height: 6' 0'' Weight: 180
WR 3: Randy Moss Height: 6-4 Weight: 204
WR 4: Art Monk Height: 6' 3'' Weight: 210

TE1: Kellen Winslow Height: 6-4 Weight: 250
TE2: Shannon Sharpe Height: 6-2 Weight: 228

LT1: Jackie Slater Height, 6-7. Weight, 325
LT2: Dan Dierdorf Height: 6' 3'' Weight: 280

RT1: Forrest Gregg Height: 6' 4'' Weight: 249
RT2: Anthony Munoz Height: 6'6" Weight: 275

LG1: Gene Upshaw Height: 6' 5'' Weight: 255
LG2: Larry Little Height: 6-2½. Weight: 225

RG1: Mike Munchak Height: 6' 3'' Weight: 281
RG2: Larry Little Height/Weight: 6-1/265

C1: Jim Ott
C2: Mike Webster

LE1: Reggie White Height: 6-5. Weight: 300 lbs
LE2: Bruce Smith Height: 6-4 Weight: 265

RE1: Deacon Jones Height: 6' 5'' Weight: 254
RE2: Howie Long Height: 6' 5'' Weight: 270

DT1: Joe Greene Height: 6' 4'' Weight: 269
DT2: Bob Lilly Height: 6' 4'' Weight: 256
DT3: Art Donovan Height/Weight: 6-2/263
DT4: Merlin Olson Height: 6' 5'' Weight: 270

ROLB1: Derrick Thomas 6'3", 247

ROLB2: Jack Ham Height: 6' 3'' Weight: 224

LOLB1: Lawrence Taylor Height: 6' 3'' Weight: 241

MLB1: Mike Singletary Height: 5' 12'' Weight: 230
MLB2: Ray Nitschke Height: 6' 3'' Weight: 235

CB1: Deion Sanders Height: 6-1 Weight: 198
CB2: Dick Lane Height: 6’2” Weight: 210 lbs
CB 3: Rod Woodson Height: 5-11. Weight: 205
CB4: Herb Adderly Height: 6' 0'' Weight: 200

SS: Ronnie Lott Height 6-1 Weight 203

FS: Willie Wood Height: 5' 10'' Weight: 189

K: Adam Vinatieri Height: 6-0 Weight: 202

P: Sammy Baugh Height: 6-2 Weight: 180

Do you want to go off of maddens ratings or your/our own?

[KaTaNa]

i think doing our own woudl be faster, iwas hoping for some help from u guys

[realhawker]

I think It's a crime that Marino isn't in that list. He had the TD record without the supporting cast that Peyton had.

[KaTaNa]

who should i replace