y ohio state is the best

[~GuT iT~]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ALYMURzZL5A&search=tedd%20ginn

this man right here is gone be why THE ohio state university gone be the best team in ncaa 07 and in real life. and not to mention troy smith and the most underated reciever and collage football anthony gonzalaz. Our D young this year but we will be good enough to win the national championship. plus we got an up and coming reciever in Brian Robiske if yall dont know his name get to know it this guy basiclly took me under his wing his last year of high school when i was a freshman and man he is good. Watch out yall.[/

[Seen03]

im sorry man but that team from up north, i forgot what there called again, there kinda pissed. And they dont care about troy smith. Ted Ginn is the most overated piece of bulls***. you have no recievers. You're defense is a bunch of nobody's now. I dont care if you have speed on defense, you dont have experience. I dare you guys to play Notre Dame again, they will rip ure defense to shreds. Michigan will even shred you guys. Just remember, OSU is overated. Notre Dame is the best team in the midwest.

[mcnaire2004]

Smith is the michigan killer but,.... No D = trash team. Sorry but sorry thats just a small highlight tape. Ginn starts but hasn't proven to be a clutch WR yet. Sorry your life is a lie good luck. Thanks for waisting every one's time by not talking about miami's greatness. Remember suicide is a option.

[Nemo]

There are too many good teams to say 1 is going to be the best... and anywise your obviously biased (personal connection to player) so lets just wait and see what minnesota does to them (just wait for it :D )

[BluEStorm_47]

You're all wrong, nobody is going to beat true black and gold....the Missouri Tigers.

You're all full of it...

[mcnaire2004]

You're all wrong, nobody is going to beat true black and gold....the Missouri Tigers.

You're all full of it...
Feel sorry for you and your false hopes. Maybe one day you'll see the light.

[rhombic21]

I don't know if you guys have heard of a kid named Adrian Peterson.

In case you haven't here's a refresher:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sMuw-G6BEpM

And in case I need to remind you guys about the rest of the team, well then why don't you watch this (2 parts)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MNZwUrBOIpI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tWLAIAMHw6A

[CrHawkeye]

I hate OSU and their fans. (sorry, it's a big ten thing)

Ginn is a gamebreaker, but has not proven himself as a top notch go-to receiver.

You have huge question marks on defense. Talented kids, sure, but no provens. Just think back to 04, the last time you saw so many new faces on defense....

[kbell97]

Penn St. baby!! best linebackers in the country this year!

[M-Dub?]

You're all wrong, nobody is going to beat true black and gold....the Colorado Buffaloes.

You're all full of it...

FTFY......

[kbell97]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ALYMURzZL5A&search=tedd%20ginn

this man right here is gone be why THE ohio state university gone be the best team in ncaa 07 and in real life. and not to mention troy smith and the most underated reciever and collage football anthony gonzalaz. Our D young this year but we will be good enough to win the national championship. plus we got an up and coming reciever in Brian Robiske if yall dont know his name get to know it this guy basiclly took me under his wing his last year of high school when i was a freshman and man he is good. Watch out yall.[/


You obviously suffer from FITHS.:D

[RyanZ923]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ALYMURzZL5A&search=tedd%20ginn

this man right here is gone be why THE ohio state university gone be the best team in ncaa 07 and in real life. and not to mention troy smith and the most underated reciever and collage football anthony gonzalaz. Our D young this year but we will be good enough to win the national championship. plus we got an up and coming reciever in Brian Robiske if yall dont know his name get to know it this guy basiclly took me under his wing his last year of high school when i was a freshman and man he is good. Watch out yall.[/
ginn is overrated, all he is is fast, he really doesnt have that great of hands, or run good routes, most of his "big" plays are just streaks down the field, and besides there is no way they can beat ND this year, the NC will be ND and Oklahoma and ND will win it all

[Avenge1]

::cough:: Auburn 07'. No need to spray my verbal dominance. :eek:

[shatmo75]

I'll just get this out of the way. I live in Ohio, grew up in Ohio, had several classmates play for Ohio State, so I guess you can say I bleed scarlet and grey. However, this years Ohio State team's real question mark is how quickly their defense develops. They have more than enough talent and experience at all positions on offense. My prediction is a one loss season and a BCS bowl bid, probably not the national championship game. And there is no way Michigan comes into Ohio State this year and wins. Period. (Can you say Goodbye Lloyd Carr? Michigan has not been the same since Gary Moeller.)

I also am not sure why everyone is so high on Notre Dame (I also grew up a Notre Dame fan). Their defense will improve but will still be a liability and will cost them at least one game. I also think Ohio State sort of set a roadmap for how to contain Notre Dame's offense last year by making them drive down the field by taking away the big plays (again, easier said than done). It will be interesting this year as I think Ohio State, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Texas, and a few others all have legit shots this year because every team has question marks going into the season.

[CrHawkeye]

I'll just get this out of the way. I live in Ohio, grew up in Ohio, had several classmates play for Ohio State, so I guess you can say I bleed scarlet and grey. However, this years Ohio State team's real question mark is how quickly their defense develops. They have more than enough talent and experience at all positions on offense. My prediction is a one loss season and a BCS bowl bid, probably not the national championship game. And there is no way Michigan comes into Ohio State this year and wins. Period. (Can you say Goodbye Lloyd Carr? Michigan has not been the same since Gary Moeller.)

I also am not sure why everyone is so high on Notre Dame (I also grew up a Notre Dame fan). Their defense will improve but will still be a liability and will cost them at least one game. I also think Ohio State sort of set a roadmap for how to contain Notre Dame's offense last year by making them drive down the field by taking away the big plays (again, easier said than done). It will be interesting this year as I think Ohio State, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Texas, and a few others all have legit shots this year because every team has question marks going into the season.


Michigan won a NC under Carr. They also have won more BT championships lately than you guys.

I agree a lot of it will be on your defense. You've got to hope your offense produces well again. It hasn't always done that under Tressel - despite having good talent.

[kokotan]

The defense will be fine. Defense has been the trademark of all of the Tressel era teams, and all of Tressel's defenses have been good enough to win just about every game they have played. Only once or twice has a Tressel D been really beaten.

The real question on how Ohio State does this year will be the offense, yet again.

Not so much if the O will be good or not, they have the talent to be really good. The question is how long will it take them to be good, and will they open things up early in the season. It's going to be up to the O, at least for the first half of the season, to carry this team. They need to allow the D sometime to develop.

If they are not dialed down early in the season, like they traditionally have been under Tressel then they can beat Texas and be poised to make a run at a possible national title. If they play conservative as usual, it will put too much pressure on the young defense and the Bucks will surely lose 2 or 3 games.

With Pittman coming off of the first legit running back performance in years at tOSU, Chris Wells challenging for playing time, Smith the undisputed starter for the entire offseason, and the stable of WRs I think the offense will be good enough to let the D mature at it's own pace.

The biggest foreseeable problems are the O not living up to its billing, or the O scoring too quickly and leaving the D on the field too much.

btw, Michigan? Please. Regardless of the players involved I will take Tressel and his vest over LLLoyd Carr anyday. It's funny how UM has a top 10 recruiting class every year, and yet those players don't develop while in college and don't get drafted.

I hope they keep LLLoyd around for a long time.

[kokotan]

Michigan won a NC under Carr. They also have won more BT championships lately than you guys.
Unless "lately" means going back to 1991 or 1992 then I'm pretty sure tOSU and UM are about even in recent BT championships.

[Farmer]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ALYMURzZL5A&search=tedd%20ginn

this man right here is gone be why THE ohio state university gone be the best team in ncaa 07 and in real life. and not to mention troy smith and the most underated reciever and collage football anthony gonzalaz. Our D young this year but we will be good enough to win the national championship. plus we got an up and coming reciever in Brian Robiske if yall dont know his name get to know it this guy basiclly took me under his wing his last year of high school when i was a freshman and man he is good. Watch out yall.[/


Ginn is a game breaker, of that everyone agrees. But his receiving skills lack too much for him to be considered a viable threat. He runs sloppy routes and for whatever reason, he has ball repellant on his hands and can't seem to pull in the majority of those "critical" passes.

Every team in the top 15 has question marks and big voids that only time will tell if they were filled. Notre Dame stands out as they have everyone coming back, the offense should have a deeper understanding of Weis' system, and their defense [while not as good as others] seems to play inspiring football under Weis.

I'm looking forward to another great year of college football.



-Farmer

[btspm]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ALYMURzZL5A&search=tedd%20ginn

this man right here is gone be why THE ohio state university gone be the best team in ncaa 07 and in real life. and not to mention troy smith and the most underated reciever and collage football anthony gonzalaz. Our D young this year but we will be good enough to win the national championship. plus we got an up and coming reciever in Brian Robiske if yall dont know his name get to know it this guy basiclly took me under his wing his last year of high school when i was a freshman and man he is good. Watch out yall.[/

You don't win a championship with 'good enough' defense. My Trojans tried that last year and fell short even with an offense that had more offensive skill position talent than the 49ers. A 'good enough defense' needs luck to stay healthy. A few injuries to a young defense and you are starting upperclassmen who couldn't beat out the young studs, or freshmen/sophmores who aren't ready. You better pour out some rum for Jobu to help keep the strains and muscle pulls away from your starters.

[Seen03]

The defense will be fine. Defense has been the trademark of all of the Tressel era teams, and all of Tressel's defenses have been good enough to win just about every game they have played. Only once or twice has a Tressel D been really beaten.

btw, Michigan? Please. Regardless of the players involved I will take Tressel and his vest over LLLoyd Carr anyday. It's funny how UM has a top 10 recruiting class every year, and yet those players don't develop while in college and don't get drafted.

I hope they keep LLLoyd around for a long time.

I guarantee you Ohio State's defense will go through major bumps and bruises this year. You don't loose those kind of calliber players and just say "since Tressel's the coach the defense will be fine." Even when you had your star calliber players, Michigan's retarded conservate offense still managed to relatively tear you guys apart but Mr. Troy Smith came to the rescue. Maybe Troy Smith does the same thing this year, and just single handidly wins game's for Ohio State against the lower opponents. But Penn State's front 7 is looking offly good, Iowa's defense was young last year and they're all coming back, and Michigan's whole defense is returning. I just don't think this is Ohio State's year.

And with your comment on how Michigan players don't develop in college and dont get drafted, that just made me twich. I forgot, who has the most Qb's in the NFL. Qb is considered the hardest position to play, and Michigan has the most of them in the pros. Last time i checked your one QB is Krenzel, and hes nowhere to be seen in Chicago.

Just recently u've gotten more people drafted. But in the last 10 years, you dont have an edge whatsoever.

But my point is Ohio State will not do anything this year. Michigan has 2 new coordinators and virtually everyone is returning. Penn State just has to break in a new QB and a new secondary. Iowa has a good backfield with a young fiesty defense. And what defense does OSU have, they dont

[ondaperimeter]

I'm glad this topic has arisen as this has been on my mind since watching one of TG7's other highlight reels.

First off, nobody even think about saying he is an over-rated college football player. He has freakish world-class athleticism, unreal football speed (4.29? Right! In pads maybe...), and is without question one of the most electrifying college players ever. He makes D1 scholarship athletes in elete football programs in power conferences look like JV scrubs on the field. If you can't give him those props, you are simply a hater and please don't even respond to this post.

BUT, having said that, I don't think the move to wide reciever helped his career at all. I know Tressell wanted to get him more touches, but he is just not a natural reciever. He just isn't. Listen to him talk, and you can tell he has no real passion for the position. Putting him at WR helped tOSU, which is great, but being a freakish athlete has NEVER translated into being a great pro reciever. The top NFL recievers--Tory Holt, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith, Hines Ward--they are not freakish athletes, but they ARE elite recievers. Even Randy Moss, the best athlete among NFL receivers, is a true reciever--not just an athlete. Think of it like this--who do you think was the better reciever--Holmes or Ginn? EVERYBODY would say Holmes. But I'll take you one farther--TG7 might not be the best reciever on this years team either. Tony Gonzolas has better instincts, runs better routes, has better hands, and makes a ton of plays in the 5 and 7 step passing game!

Now, IMO Ginn has the tools to be the next great shutdown corner. Just look at the guys in Ginn's mold that got paid and got pro-bowls from playing D in the NFL--Champ Bailey, Charles Woodson, Deion, Shawn Springs, Dante Hall. Even Chris Gamble made the switch to D and is now a pro-bowl caliber player. The only problem is that I don't even know if he has the K.I. to play D--even as just a shut-down corner. You Ohio State people--what was the buzz when he switched positions? Does he still have a taste for D?

Looking at Ginn's highligh reel, what do you see? Punt returns, KO Returns, reverses, and gadget plays. The pass routes? Hitches, slants, and bombs. Only one route looked to be more than a 3 step route, and he was wide open (and still caughet it on his body). So what is going to happen when Sean Taylor or Roy Williams or Lynch or Dawkins puts a lick or two on him? He will be one of the greatest punt returners the NFL has ever seen--and sadly nothing else.

I don't know man. I'd sure like to see waht he'd look like on defense...

[BluEStorm_47]

I'm glad this topic has arisen as this has been on my mind since watching one of TG7's other highlight reels.

First off, nobody even think about saying he is an over-rated college football player. He has freakish world-class athleticism, unreal football speed (4.29? Right! In pads maybe...), and is without question one of the most electrifying college players ever. He makes D1 scholarship athletes in elete football programs in power conferences look like JV scrubs on the field. If you can't give him those props, you are simply a hater and please don't even respond to this post.

BUT, having said that, I don't think the move to wide reciever helped his career at all. I know Tressell wanted to get him more touches, but he is just not a natural reciever. He just isn't. Listen to him talk, and you can tell he has no real passion for the position. Putting him at WR helped tOSU, which is great, but being a freakish athlete has NEVER translated into being a great pro reciever. The top NFL recievers--Tory Holt, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith, Hines Ward--they are not freakish athletes, but they ARE elite recievers. Even Randy Moss, the best athlete among NFL receivers, is a true reciever--not just an athlete. Think of it like this--who do you think was the better reciever--Holmes or Ginn? EVERYBODY would say Holmes. But I'll take you one farther--TG7 might not be the best reciever on this years team either. Tony Gonzolas has better instincts, runs better routes, has better hands, and makes a ton of plays in the 5 and 7 step passing game!

Now, IMO Ginn has the tools to be the next great shutdown corner. Just look at the guys in Ginn's mold that got paid and got pro-bowls from playing D in the NFL--Champ Bailey, Charles Woodson, Deion, Shawn Springs, Dante Hall. Even Chris Gamble made the switch to D and is now a pro-bowl caliber player. The only problem is that I don't even know if he has the K.I. to play D--even as just a shut-down corner. You Ohio State people--what was the buzz when he switched positions? Does he still have a taste for D?

Looking at Ginn's highligh reel, what do you see? Punt returns, KO Returns, reverses, and gadget plays. The pass routes? Hitches, slants, and bombs. Only one route looked to be more than a 3 step route, and he was wide open (and still caughet it on his body). So what is going to happen when Sean Taylor or Roy Williams or Lynch or Dawkins puts a lick or two on him? He will be one of the greatest punt returners the NFL has ever seen--and sadly nothing else.

I don't know man. I'd sure like to see waht he'd look like on defense...

Potentially a good safety if he could tackle at all...or a CB..

But, anyway since I don't know what FTFW or something like that means, y'all need to open your eyes and quit being so blind. It is the year of the Tiger, the Missouri Tigers will simply dominate the competition and leave you all dumb-founded in front of your TV sets. GOLLY JEEPERS we're gonna thump you guys!

Watch out for Chase Daniel, you'll guys soon see what an elite QB the Tigers have got and basically we've returned every player on offense except for Smith (QB), Coffey (WR), and Palmer (G/T) who can be replaced. The Tigers O will be electric boogie-oogie-oogie...and the defense can hold steady...

Go Mizzou!

[M-Dub?]

FTFY = fixed that for you

I love July, when everyone is undefeated and brimming with expectations. I can even envision a scenario (however far-fetched) in which my beloved Buffs are playing before my very eyes in Glendale on January 8th. Bernard Jackson has taken the college football world by storm. Dan Hawkins is being mentioned in the same breath as Hayes, Schembeckler, Royal, and Switzer. Everything has gone right and the Buffs are 13-0 and ready to play in the NC game. It's quite a dream.

[oneshotbuckeye]

Yes, there is an argument that Teddy isn't a complete player, he runs sloppy this, he has terrible that...

Maybe at the beginning of last year, these would be completely valid points.

HOWEVER, during the last half of the year, he got it down as a receiver and a player.

Talk about performing, check out his game vs. Michigan. 2 minute drill, to whom did all the passes go? Teddy. His head was in the game, he had perfect awareness about where he was on the field, and where the defenders were, and he made every catch he needed to make. That is when Buckeye faithfuls everywhere finally breathed a sigh of relief and realized that Teddy had 'it.'

Then of course you have the ND game, where Teddy shined once again as a RECEIVER.

Hell, last year in total, Teddy only had two fewer catches that 'Tone.

He is running better and better routes, and honestly, watching film for the last half of the year, it's only the ignorant (and the live-by-ESPN-commentary fans (PLEASE watch the games yourselves before you start throwing around "sloppy routes" and "below average hands") who can say that he runs sloppy routes and has bad hands.

He's made carpet scraper grabs, jumping grabs, grabs in stride, one handed grabs. He's got all the tools to be an elite receiver now. It's CLEAR from game tape that he is learning to use his speed DECEPTIVELY (see Illinois game where he basically snuck past the corner to a wide open TD, also see ND game where he SPANKED Wooden (who, by the way, is a top 25 CB in the game this year? Bull****)).

And I know that fans from other schools never believe player reports from spring + summer practice, so take this fwiw. Tony Gonzales himself said that Teddy has never looked better and claimed that Teddy would be the #1 receiver because he saw that Teddy has become an elite receiver. Our receiving coach Hazell said the exact same thing - that Teddy is 110% ready to take over 'Tone's role in the offense next year. That's a huge compliment.

*Note to whoever made the comment about Gamble... He was a CB originally who made appearances at WR twoard the last half of the season because Vance went down. His original position was CB, that's why he plays it in the NFL.

So could/should Teddy be a CB? Maybe, and No.

Teddy's got amazing change-of direction skills, he's got great anticipation, and he's fast. Very fast. Deion Jr. fast. However, I just can't see him being physical enough to play the kind of corner that Tressel wants. Tress plays corners who are MEAN against the run (see Ashton Youboty vs. Minnesota... Mean). Teddy, who is barely pushing 180 soaking wet, could not fulfill that requirement.

Changing Teddy's position now to CB would be ... well... really hard. He hasn't taken any snaps there in games nor in practice. Can't see the change now.

So there. All I can say is look at the improvement over last year and then make your own judgement. Don't jump on the "sloppy route" bandwagon, LOOK FOR YOURSELF!

That's my schpiel about Teddy Ginn Jr.

[blackpowdereer]

I love July, when everyone is undefeated and brimming with expectations

Yes....everyone is undefeated and injury free. No disappointments, yet and no losses. it's a great time of the year. August is right around the corner, the new NCAA is coming out soon, and the preseason mags are already causing hate and discontent. I LOVE this time of the year.

[kokotan]

Just recently u've gotten more people drafted. But in the last 10 years, you dont have an edge whatsoever.
As far as the draft for the last 10 years:

Ohio State = 66 players drafted
Michigan = 43 players drafted

How about first round picks?

Ohio State = 16 first rounders
Michigan = 7 first rounders

I don't know what else you're looking for. Michigan gets really good recruits, but players don't develop under Carr.

Tom Brady is your crown jewel and he couldn't even beat out Drew Henson while at scUM. He did all of his developing under Charlie Weis.

I also like how the offseason changes will only affect OSU. Iowa lost their all-world linebackers yet their D will be good. Michigan replaced both of their coordinators, yet on both sides of the ball they will be good. PSU has to change their entire offense around since their QB will be Morelli and not Robinson, no problem. Yet OSU has everyone on offense save Santonio "doubt it" Holmes and Nick Mangold (as well as signing the #1 RB in the nation Chris Wells) and yet they will struggle.

Sure, a lot of the defense is gone but what high caliber offensive teams will tOSU play early in the year? They don't play anyone other than Texas who will be searching for a new offensive identity and rolling with either a Freshman or a redshirt freshman at QB.

[BuckeyesTHEGAME]

*Note to whoever made the comment about Gamble... He was a CB originally who made appearances at WR twoard the last half of the season because Vance went down. His original position was CB, that's why he plays it in the NFL.


I agree 100% with everything you said about Teddy, but you're wrong about Chris Gamble. He was a receiver when he was recruited into Columbus (even wore a number in the 80s as a frosh). He was only moved to cornerback out of necessity.

He played around a bit as a CB in the spring practices/game of 2002 and impressed the coaches, then continued to practice a bit of defense in the fall in addition to the time spent with the offense. If you remember, he was the starting flanker in several games at the beginning of the year while Chris Vance was the slot man (with Jenkins being the split end).

At the beginning of the season (most notably vs. Cincinnati), Tressel would put Gamble into games in man to man situations and inside the red zone because of his excellent athletic ability. Then when Richard McNutt went down with a serious ankle injury before the PSU game (and because EJ Underwood showed that he couldn't handle significant playing time), Tressel turned to Chris Gamble and was greatly rewarded for doing so. For the rest of the season, Gamble was the spark the defense needed to "take it to the next level." Along with the HUGE interceptions against Penn State, Purdue and Wisconsin, he also completely dominated Braylon Edwards and Andre Johnson in the last two games of the season to help the Buckeyes win the title.

(People forget how important the interception against Purdue was. All anyone ever remembers is the "Holy Buckeye" play, but Gamble picked off a pass deep downfield on Purdue's ensuing drive to seal the win. The reason this play was so important is because Donnie Nickey had completely overrun the play and was way out of position, but Gamble had perfect coverage and made the pick. It likely would have been a deep completion had he not been there.)

The next year, OSU was still very thin at cornerback, so Tressel made Chris a full time CB and let him focus soley on defense. With the emergence of Santonio Holmes and Drew Carter as bonafide threats next to Jenkins that year, Chris didn't need to play as much offense as he had the year before. In fact, he barely played any at all, as I'm sure you know.