Downside of the Pistol [Nevada] ???

[blitzrique]

I just tried it out and at first my timing s_cked, but after some adjustments, I think this PB is a lock for my main PB.

Doen anyone have a problem w/this book?

I use the Gators most [90%] of the time btw.

[M-Dub�]

The only real beef I have is the lack of 4-wide sets. The option/power run game is deadly out of the Pistol, but defenses have a tendency to load up on you after you've run it down their throat for a while. The problem is, unless you have some decently fast, pass-catching TEs, it's hard to keep people honest with downfield passes. My passing game tends to be a lot of flats and screens.

[mad_bomber]

I use it myself. It's primarily a power offense, but there are some good spread formations with 3WRs. The counter runs and the boot action passes are some of my favorite plays to use with this offense.

[heavy_hitter]

I love this offense and am finding great success throwing the ball out of it. I can actually throw out of it better than I can run out of it. It is deadly if you know how to use you TE's.

The only thing that I don't understand is why there isn't a HB Toss play in the formations.

[bucknuts_4]

I'm with you M-Dub. Screen plays and passes to the flats work great. Also slants work fairly well. As mentioned before this pb helps the run(IMO). I love the semi-shotgun look; it really gives me that extra second vs heavy blitzers. My only downside to this pb is the same as M-Dub as well with lack of 4 wide sets. Overall its a great balance pb to use.

[getting awn]

If you factor in passing the the backs in the flat, this formation is deadlier. I normally send the back in motion, and 9-10 he is free for at least 8 yards. When they start to key on him, then you start to throw to the Wide receivers. It is a perfect compression offense. Get them thinking back and hit them with the pass. Once you can establish the run on them, then you start to take real advantage of this offense.

[TrojanNole]

If you factor in passing the the backs in the flat, this formation is deadlier. I normally send the back in motion, and 9-10 he is free for at least 8 yards.

Funny, that is true.

[+Ca[N]o[N]iKaL+]

Interesting, I had intitally avoided this playbook just because I was afraid that it was one of those new features that would make it into the game, but wouldn't be that effective.

I'll give it a try when I get home today. Seems to have some of the principles that I look for in a base playbook.

[mad_bomber]

o[N]iKaL+']Interesting, I had intitally avoided this playbook just because I was afraid that it was one of those new features that would make it into the game, but wouldn't be that effective.

I'll give it a try when I get home today. Seems to have some of the principles that I look for in a base playbook.

Give it a try. I think you'll be surprised at how effective it can be.

[M-Dub�]

I haven't really done too much motioning with the PB, but I was messing around with some various motions last night in practice mode, and you can get some really funky looks going on with motion, especially in the Strong H Twins formation.

Awn already mentioned the HB motion. Your HB actually lines up right behind the slot WR for a stack look. You can also motion the outside WR inside the slot for a tight look, or motion your TE to the weak side, which causes your slot WR to move to the right side. I haven't really gone into too much depth labbing any of this yet, but I feel like I've only scratched the surface of what this PB is really capable of...

[heavy_hitter]

I haven't really done too much motioning with the PB, but I was messing around with some various motions last night in practice mode, and you can get some really funky looks going on with motion, especially in the Strong H Twins formation.

This is awesome. I will motion the TE from this to get the WR to motion at the same time just to screw with people.

Awn already mentioned the HB motion. Your HB actually lines up right behind the slot WR for a stack look. You can also motion the outside WR inside the slot for a tight look, or motion your TE to the weak side, which causes your slot WR to move to the right side. I haven't really gone into too much depth labbing any of this yet, but I feel like I've only scratched the surface of what this PB is really capable of...

I have messed with motion alot in Pistol, but didn't know this about the HB. Thanks for the info man.

Also, let me tell you about the WR Screens in the SG's in this formation..... DEADLY....

I got pissed at Bucknuts the other night, not because he ran them, but because I got about 10 of them from 5 Wide. If it were 3 or 4, I probably wouldn't have a had a problem Buck. They have a definate effect on the AI.

Anyhow, I labbed these screens after my bout with Buck. If someone is in man or cover 2 against the WR screens, they are screwed. I am not gonna tell you everything, you guys need to lab it. However, they are frigging deadly against blitzers if you motion the right guy. Heck, they are deadly against everything but cover 2.

[TnGolf22]

Pistol Strg H Twins has a play which seems unfair if I use it with Tennessee. I think it's called "Drive" which I think has receivers running inside posts and in-routes and the TE running a drag. If I get it to the TE, even if he's covered I get at least 2-3 yards. If he's not covered I get 5-10 yards. Even when he's covered as soon as he gets the ball the LB covering him either falls or mistackles him so I don't know if I just have a great TE or if there's some kind of mismatch with the programming. Anyway I'm going to lab the WR screens HH mentioned but if you're looking for a great TE pass play check out the Drive plays.

[mad_bomber]

The entire Nevada playbook in my opinion offers multiple ways to attack a defense. Pistol Trips PA Rollout is another solid play where the tight end blocks and releases to the flat. The inside receiver in the trips (closest to tackle) runs a intermediate cross, the middle reciever in the trips runs a deeper cross, and if memory serves me correct the outside receiver runs a deep post.

With the quarterback rolling to the strong side you'll have four receiver options all crossing the field in the same direction at different depths. This really puts pressure on the defensive coverage.

[blitzrique]

I'm suprised to see that nobody has any major problems w/this unique formation group.

Also, the only other PB that that I can find that has any pistol is Arkansas State [pistol slot].

Anybody see pistol anywhere else in NCAA 07?

[mad_bomber]

I'm suprised to see that nobody has any major problems w/this unique formation group.

Also, the only other PB that that I can find that has any pistol is Arkansas State [pistol slot].

Anybody see pistol anywhere else in NCAA 07?

As for current gen that's about it. Next gen Purdue has Pistol H Twins in their playbook.

[rhombic21]

I think it's a bit odd that everybody and their brother is using this formation, when almost nobody here knows much of anything about how the formation is used in real life, or has even seen it used during a game.

[blitzrique]

That's why I want to know the downsides, cuz I don't know squat about this concept.

Perhaps there's film on it at youtube?

[M-Dub�]

I think it's a bit odd that everybody and their brother is using this formation, when almost nobody here knows much of anything about how the formation is used in real life, or has even seen it used during a game.

I actually pointed out a couple weeks ago that this playbook's actual strength (the option/power run game) is nothing like Nevada's offense in real life. I'm not sure why there would be option plays in every formation (except 5 Wide), but I'm not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth.

Back to the original topic, I'd say one weakness is that you still have occasional high snaps in the Pistol like you do in SG, but being closer to the LOS gives you less time to recover/improvise.

[mad_bomber]

I think it's a bit odd that everybody and their brother is using this formation, when almost nobody here knows much of anything about how the formation is used in real life, or has even seen it used during a game.


Please enlighten us with your wisdom, knowledge, and understanding of the Pistol offense.

[TnGolf22]

I can't remember which Pistol PB it's in but I like running the WR Screen play once in a while except I'm not sure when to throw to the screen. Sometimes the blocking gets screwed up and other times the WR is either wide open or gets jammed up in the middle of all the blocking. How successful have you other guys been with this? Also this play seems to work best in the middle because the TE running out is often a good option to pass to.

[mad_bomber]

Hopefully this link works. This may take a while to download.

http://mav.homeftp.net:5080/GP/offense/00%20Others/2005%20Nevada%20Pistol%20Offense%20Cut-Ups.wmv

[shakes3939]

I think it's a bit odd that everybody and their brother is using this formation, when almost nobody here knows much of anything about how the formation is used in real life, or has even seen it used during a game.

you'll see it at least 3 times this year on tv. Its a great PB in real life too they will run almost anything you can think of out it even the option. yes, Jeff Rowe is slow but the run it 3 or 4 times a game. its was mainly started because Nevada's O Line was crap and still is.Its main wepon is the run to open up the up the pass like anything else. In Ncaa 07 the mark it as a spread offense when its really more of a balance.
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[ZachArt002]

The option run plays out of this formation are deadly, but regular handoffs I find are easy to defend. Maybe it's because I've only gone up against it one time, but it seems that the handoffs are so deep in the backfield, runs that seem like they'd be four or five yard gains, are only two or three yard gains.

I think it was Awn who used this playbook against me, and while Lorenzo Booker had a good day (19 rushes for 90 yards), the majority of the yardage came on option pitches. It seemed like I could play a straight cover three or cover two and still adequately defend HB handoffs.

[blitzrique]

but it seems that the handoffs are so deep in the backfield

Good point.

[mad_bomber]

The backs are at the same depth in the backfield as they are in the Ace formations.

[ZachArt002]

Yeah, but the actual handoff takes place deeper in the backfield, meaning that when the running back gets the ball in his hands, he has farther to go.

[M-Dub�]

The option run plays out of this formation are deadly, but regular handoffs I find are easy to defend. Maybe it's because I've only gone up against it one time, but it seems that the handoffs are so deep in the backfield, runs that seem like they'd be four or five yard gains, are only two or three yard gains.


I disagree. The running game as a whole is heavily dependent on momentum, but all things being equal, I'd prefer to run dives and counters out of the Pistol than out of Ace sets. I actually find that I'm less likely to outrun my blockers in the Pistol.

The option is sick too though.

[mad_bomber]

Yeah, but the actual handoff takes place deeper in the backfield, meaning that when the running back gets the ball in his hands, he has farther to go.

I just checked this with a variety of run plays from the Pistol and Ace formations in the Nevada playbook. The differences of the depth of the back receiving the handoff was minimal at best. If anything receiving the handoff deeper in the backfield allows for blocks to develop and gives the user more time to determine where the hole is.

[TnGolf22]

I've been practicing with different playbooks and trying to find one to stick with and learn but I'm having trouble finding one which is most effective with the players I have. I play with Tennessee on Heisman and play mostly offline. Do you think Nevada's Pistol is a good playbook to use? I'm also considering South Carolina and Florida's playbooks but I don't think Eric Ainge at 68 speed is quick enough for a spread option and our WRs aren't up to par for fun-n-gun. We have a decent impact HB so I'm feeling pistol is a good formation but if I play a top-ten team in Heisman I get killed. Any thoughts or hints would be appreciated.

[bobw2829]

Yeah, but the actual handoff takes place deeper in the backfield, meaning that when the running back gets the ball in his hands, he has farther to go.
:confused: How's that? It doesn't matter when the RB gets the ball - it's still same distanced traveled. Just because the ball is in his hands sooner doesn't mean he has to travel farther.

[ZachArt002]

:confused: How's that? It doesn't matter when the RB gets the ball - it's still same distanced traveled. Just because the ball is in his hands sooner doesn't mean he has to travel farther.

Should I just quote what I said over again? When the running back gets the ball in his hands, he's further in the backfield than on regular ace sets. Regardless of the overall distance travelled, he still gets the ball further back.

It's the same way in any shotgun formation; the running back is still five or so yards in the backfield, but he gets the ball further back, meaning the defense has more time to react before he passes the line of scrimmage.

[blitzrique]

It's the same way in any shotgun formation; the running back is still five or so yards in the backfield, but he gets the ball further back, meaning the defense has more time to react before he passes the line of scrimmage.
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Fot that reason running may be slightly harder at times. I'm finding running up the middle to be a little tougher, but I could be wrong. There are so many variables invovled.

The jury is still out, w/me @ least.

[heavy_hitter]

Fot that reason running may be slightly harder at times. I'm finding running up the middle to be a little tougher, but I could be wrong. There are so many variables invovled.

The jury is still out, w/me @ least.

I went away from the Pistol because of the lack of a run game when you don't have a moble QB.

[bobw2829]

Should I just quote what I said over again? When the running back gets the ball in his hands, he's further in the backfield than on regular ace sets. Regardless of the overall distance travelled, he still gets the ball further back.

It's the same way in any shotgun formation; the running back is still five or so yards in the backfield, but he gets the ball further back, meaning the defense has more time to react before he passes the line of scrimmage.
Don't have to get pissy about it smart guy. And, moreover, all you said was the RB had further to travel -
Yeah, but the actual handoff takes place deeper in the backfield, meaning that when the running back gets the ball in his hands, he has farther to go. - which is not the case. Although I agree that the defense has more time to react to the run.