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kej2u
10-25-2006, 05:25 PM
THE VICK STOPPER
(GUARANTEED TO WORK OR NO MONEY BACK)

I've coined a new word: "Mothervickers"

It's self-explanatory. You know -- those cats who run back and forth like idiots hoping to burn you deep...

Okay, after some extensive online play (labbing), I have a very solid solution for when you play against a MotherVicker or McNabber...

Play as the Panthers (or another team with speedy DEs and DBs.)
Select the 4-3 Defensive Playbook.
Select Dollar Formation
Select DB Dogs 1 play

This play sends the 2 slot DB's on an outside blitz, while the two outside corners, safties, and the MLB cover RB/WR's in Man.

PRE-SNAP ADJUSTMENTS FOR EVERY PLAY...

Select Free-Safety Mike Minter (or the Free Safety on your team) as the man you will control during the play.

(A) If they come out with 0-2 WRs, shift your D-Line in and have them to crash inwards.
(B) If they come out with 3 WRs, leave your D-Line as is.
(C) If they come out with 4-5 WRs, shift your D-Line out and have them crash outwards.

If you suspect an RB run...
Use A from above. Then, leave DBs as they are, roll Minter (FS) up to the line to spy for the up the middle run and to also feign an inside blitz. You can also opt to audible to a 4-6 blitz. (You'd need to set this up prior to the play, obviously!)

If you suspect a QB scramble...
Use C from above. Then, have your DB's play press coverage at the line of scrimmage and put Minter (FS) squarely in the middle to either guard the up the middle scramble or the underneath throw.

If you suspect a deep pass despite whatever number of yards to go...
Use B from above. Then, back your DB's off and put Minter (FS) at the First Down Line to protect the mid-distance throw.* *Watch out for his speediest WR on a streak. You might need to roll Minter or your FS out to double cover.

If they have long to go and are definitely going for it (e.g. 4th and 12+ yards)...
Use C from above. Then, have your DB's play press coverage at the line of scrimmage and put Minter (FS) at the First Down Line to protect the mid-distance throw.

AFTER THE SNAP...

If he starts rolling to one side...
Roll Minter (FS) that same way, keeping an eye out for a WR that is also crossing that same direction. That is most likely his target. Keep underneath the receiver (just slightly). This prevents the throw, forcing him to panic and make a rush decision to run or throw to another WR (who is covered).*

*Watch out for the RB or WR screen on the opposite side of the field. After you shut that down two or three times, he'll give up on it.

If he starts up the middle...
Bring Minter (FS) down hard and Hit-Stick him. He will fumble and you will recover. That will put an end to that nonsense.

Once he throws...
Switch to control the DB and turbo them into underneath position and click A to Swat the ball. Don't go for the pick unless you have perfect position and the ball is under / overthrown. Otherwise, the ball will sail over you and you'll give up the big play.

If you thought pass and it's a run or vice versa...
Quickly thumb the right analog up or down to send your team into the appropriate forced pass or run coverage.

I've frustrated many a Vicker and McNabber with this play. It works great on any formation he calls from heavy sets (0-1 WR) all the way up to 5 WR spreads. He'll be pissed because even with 5 WR, every one is covered. And there's nowhere to run with speedy (DEs) Julius Peppers and Mike Rucker on the ends and (MLB) Dan Morgan in the middle. He'll have to beat you with his arm now -- and that is very difficult to do with a running Vick or McNabb. Their accuracy on the run is sub-par.
I get more picks and fumbles this way.

I've won 20 plus games now over some seriously-talented cheesers using this same defensive scheme.

Next lesson, how to run an unstoppable Panthers offense using the Run and Gun playbook with Audibles, No-Huddle, and some trickery.

Hit me back and let me know how it works out for you.

Peace.

K-Dog out.

E40
10-25-2006, 05:40 PM
Nice write up man! I will give this a try next time I run into Vick and company. What do you do vs the GL on Off scheme?

katskanfly756
10-25-2006, 06:23 PM
this play does work but not all the time... if the person using vick comes out in 3 wr set and sits in the pocket for a sec the CBs will get picked up by your o-line and now if i have two ppl running a streak and the 3rd wr either blocking or going over the middle you wont be able to stop it unless your just that amazing with the safety

kej2u
10-25-2006, 09:28 PM
this play does work but not all the time... if the person using vick comes out in 3 wr set and sits in the pocket for a sec the CBs will get picked up by your o-line and now if i have two ppl running a streak and the 3rd wr either blocking or going over the middle you wont be able to stop it unless your just that amazing with the safety


That's why you crash the DE's out. That interferes with the slot DB's from being picked up. Also, if you back the DB's up and control the FS in the middle, nobody is open.

I use this play about 90% of the time during a Vicker game and believe me, if executed properly, it works amazingly well.

TikiFan
10-27-2006, 09:12 PM
I keep getting burned on his play action pass. Any way to stop that. It seems that he play actions. rolls to the left and hits a receiver down the middle running with him or someone streaking down field while DB's are burned. Is this still gonna stop it? Thanks

jmoney358
10-28-2006, 01:01 PM
wow! suprisingly it worked and it worked well i only let vick get a 20 yard run then he fumbled and injured and i got 2 user picks...thanx man this really works!

katskanfly756
10-28-2006, 01:50 PM
i could have missed it but do you call BnR? or just leave as is?

conviction
10-29-2006, 12:35 AM
lol i like how katskanfly756 critizes your defense and THEN he asks for more info on it.

btw, love the scheme kej2u, ive actually used it often vs mobile QB's but not every play, i should try it.

How well does it do on run because i dont use that kinda stuff on first, usually go 4-3

kej2u
10-29-2006, 07:06 AM
TikiFan:

If he play actions, shift your DE's inside and have them crash inward. Then have your DB's do Bump and Run. This will slow his WRs in getting separation long enough for Rucker or Peppers to pressure Vick inside. The blitzing DBs will still run around the ends to bookmark him. You stay back and spy the middle or long throw with your FS.

katskanfly756

You play Bump and Run depending on how he's playing you and depending on how many yards to go. If he's throwing streaks every play, I like to alternate BnR and backing off. That way he's always getting a different look. If he's got forever to go. I always BnR and send the house. He can't beat it no matter how good he is. I then keep my FS at the 1st Down line just in case he makes an underneath throw.

conviction

It works well agains the run with the following mods: pinch your DE's inside and have them crash the middle. Set your DBs to bump and run. Give the fake blitz look to bring everyone up to the box. Keep your FS over the top so he can quickly swing out to defend the bounce to the outside.

It is very hard to run against as the DE's break through the middle of the O line and the outside blitzing DBs stop the pitch out.

Holler back if you have any more feedback / questions.

moosewillis
11-08-2006, 08:08 PM
this scheme worked to a tee for me. It especially works vs people who like to run their QB's out of the pocket (not just vick), I have a friend who used to just kill me with vick but man those panthers just eat him up in this defense. Thanks for the input, he tried to start running on me, got a few nice gains, but with him being unable to use his vick run around tactic it really threw him off and made it a much more competetive game from my end (actually I whupped him 48-15). Thanks again.

ICreate
11-10-2006, 11:07 AM
Couple of questions:

What do you do when some one quick passes you where your blitzing DBs are coming from?

What about flats?

What about floods, picks, & rubs out of bunch & compressed sets?

What do you do when your LBs are man up with WRs in a compressed set?

You D is a great play, but by no means should you run it every play.

shaneomac
11-12-2006, 11:00 PM
Does this play work better or worse than DE contain?

kej2u
11-14-2006, 12:52 PM
Moosewillis:

Glad it worked for you. Good to hear of Vick-thrashings. (Not that I don't like Vick, I just hate Vick-Abusers)

ICreate:

You don't have to run this every play. I never do. I always mix up what I show my opponent. This is just the central thread of my defensive scheme to take his scrambling away. I also use a lot of 4-6 and goal line and zones. Flats are the hardest to defend. I think only a zone will do as man-to-man never holds up. Again, a reason why I believe you must learn to play the safety position to make up for the computer's AI shortcomings. As for LB on WR in a compressed set. As long as you press man at the line and make the necessary adjustments and roll your safety over the top of whoever breaks loose, you are typically fine.

Shaneomac:

This is way better than DE contain because you have faster DB's blitzing around the edges while your D-Line breaks through the line. DE Contain is easily beatable with Vick or any other scrambling QB.

crosby7
11-16-2006, 02:54 AM
theres better strategys to stop vick on da pass. wen u get it down u love playin vick cuz he is dat easy to stop listen up.

-overload blitz from one side and take 1 db and blitz from the other side. wen they see u on the other side they will rollout into ur blitz
-sit in a zone
-qb spy, this always works but u gotta mix it up

kej2u
11-16-2006, 05:32 PM
Dunno if dat iz betta way, playa.

Seriously, if you pulled your fake blitz from one side on me, I'd figure that out really quick. Your suggestions would work a couple times in the game but I doubt they are as effective as the proven method already stated above.

And I'd drop that subscription to Lil Jon's hooked on fonniks if I were you.

Holla!

ShowTyme
11-26-2006, 02:07 PM
Kej2u your system is very sound mixed in with the other stuff that I use, you can lock a scrambler up real quick. Fellas he has given you foundation its up to you build upon it. Mix in some other plays out of dollar and its a wrap. Two other plays that I use are Strike Spy 2 great against the short to medium pass, and Zero Blitz. Zone the backers and control the guy guarding the RB. The middle is on lock down. Hit the lab and build that house!!!

StlnKC
11-27-2006, 12:13 PM
i agree, i actually like playing scramblers cause they are predictable. just call a zone blitz a Cb, put a olb or saftey to cover the hole and put the De on the opposite side in contain. you force the Qb to do 3 things:

press up in the pocket, where like me i play Dt which what i want them to do easy sack.

run from the blitz right into DE

panic and throw a int.:D

jabberwaki
01-23-2007, 11:11 PM
one problem I ran into with the defense I may be running it wrong. I just played a guy using the titans. when he would come out in a 4 reciever set I would crash the line out and then he would just run the ballo with young up the middle for 10 yards. The only thing I could do was crash the line inwards and that would take care of that but then my cb would tied up on the side.

Also I had trouble with him throwing to his tight end on a slant route and getting a first down that way.

jurr8080
01-23-2007, 11:51 PM
Don't forget the pass commit button. Lots of cheesers have figured out that they can run a playaction play to suck the linemen in. If you pass commit, the D ends don't get away from their containment and it's on like a pot of neck bones, SUCKA!!!!

jabberwaki
01-24-2007, 12:15 AM
ok where is the 4-6 blitz ur talking about.

Weapon-X
01-24-2007, 10:04 PM
Meh, I just 4-6 blitz the hell out of him and man up on the stick. Never had a problem.....

oski369
09-27-2007, 05:07 PM
Genius. Im not great at this game, but im best in my grade, and my friend can beat me sometimes with mike vick. I dont think hell be able to do that when he comes back from rehab.

oski369
09-29-2007, 11:49 PM
How do u make ur dbs press up

Stiffy
10-03-2007, 11:13 AM
ok so i read your thread and wanted to ask you some other questions, me and my buddy play in the same franchise mode and he has a super unstopable reciever in calvin johnson and kellen winslow as well as vince young and reggie bush... he runs 3 plays constantly that i cant figure out how to stop for the death of me... he does a play out of weak formation where reggie goes in motion to the wide out slot and runs a streak and he just lobs it up... he does a roll out play where all his recievers roll towards him scrambling and he can either hit johnson, winslow, rice, or scramble... and if i play zone he tears it apart and if i play man he runs, or finds johnson torching my corners and safteys.. any suggestions??? please help lol

rx89
10-11-2007, 04:07 PM
This sounds great. I'll be sure to try it out sometime. I'd love to read the unstoppable Panthers RNG offense aswell.

keis1
10-22-2007, 01:54 PM
I don't know if it's me or what but I can't find this play in any of the playbooks. (Dollar Normal - DB Dogs 1). Can anyone help?? Thanks.

ttime172
11-06-2007, 06:42 PM
same here i always us carolina and the 4-3 defense but i just checked an dont see it either

oski369
11-08-2007, 04:59 PM
Yeah i use 4-3, where is it, im tired of young scrambling for minutes and then juking my manual coverage guy when i am forced to rush at him.