UA Coaching Search

[Kaidog]

Looks to be coming to an end! Bama fans, who would you prefer?

I think Saban would handle the pressure better, but I think Rodriguez is a better Xs and Os type. Should get interesting in the next few days...

[gainersfuel]

from all the actual credible reports i've heard i think RR will be named the head coach thursday or friday. i think it's a done deal and has been for a while now.

[djwill13]

I think it's Rich. I think that he's known for a while, they're just ironing out details.

[Kaidog]

Well, word is a BoT had a face-to-face with Saban last night and pretty much told em to if he doesnt take it now, Bama will offer RR. Lots of sources say Saban IS interested, but basically couldnt/wouldnt make it official until they are eliminated from the playoffs. So with Rod wanting word in 72 hours from the Tuesday meeting....the Saban stuff has fallen off and now its all RR. Hopefully we'll have a PC tomorrow. They both look good in Crimson. :)

[djwill13]

Well, word is a BoT had a face-to-face with Saban last night and pretty much told em to if he doesnt take it now, Bama will offer RR. Lots of sources say Saban IS interested, but basically couldnt/wouldnt make it official until they are eliminated from the playoffs. So with Rod wanting word in 72 hours from the Tuesday meeting....the Saban stuff has fallen off and now its all RR. Hopefully we'll have a PC tomorrow. They both look good in Crimson. :)
From a recruiting standpoint, wouldn't you guys rather have Rich?

If Rich comes, does that mean that bama will be running the offense that WVU is currently running? That would be funny lol.

[MetalGuitarist]

I'd rather have Saban. He'd definitely be the homerun. RR is more like a double. As far as recruiting, Saban would probably get Dabo Swinney back from Clemson, or at least that's what I've heard. Problem right now is that Saban has turned down the job.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/16186668.htm

An offer has been made to RR...
http://www.al.com/pressregister/brea...12.html#213075
http://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs....08/1019/SPORTS

[Wolfdog]

Rick Tricket will probably come with Rodriguez if he gets(takes) the job.Tricket recruited Pat White and Jamarcus Russell!I think he will recruit even better with an Alabama logo on his polo shirt.

[heavy_hitter]

Being from south Florida, I will tell you that Saban isn't going anywhere. His job is secure for at least another 2 years with the Dolphins. Huizenga is happy with him.

Saban had all he wanted and/or needed at LSU. If he would have wanted to stay a college coach he would have stayed there.

[ZachArt002]

Rick Tricket will probably come with Rodriguez if he gets(takes) the job.Tricket recruited Pat White and Jamarcus Russell!

Don't act like Pat White was a major coup or anything. To call him a surprise would be a huge understatement, WVU just got lucky.

[Wolfdog]

Don't act like Pat White was a major coup or anything. To call him a surprise would be a huge understatement, WVU just got lucky.
Doesn't that say even more for recruiting capabilities of Rodriguez and his staff.Tricket was at LSU when Russell was a TOP prospect that lived here in Mobile AL and pulled him out.That being said at the time Alabama had even more issues than now(probation).

[Avenge1]

It would be interesting seeing JP Wilson run the spread option :rolleyes:

FEAR THE THUMBS! :mad:

[VTHokie32]

I don't know if any of you guys listen to ESPN radio, but Colin Cowherd has talked all week about how Alabama fans have an unrealistic and inflated opinion of the prestige of their program. I think he's right. Nick Saban would be a complete MORON to take that job. First, he'd have to take a pay cut, and go back to trying to recruit 17 year old kids, and have to put up with the ridiculous expectations of a fan base who thinks it's still 1978. Hate to burst your bubble, but Alabama is at best the 3rd best program in their own conference. I'm in the same boat as an Indiana U basketball fan, so I know how Bama football fans feel. The bottom line is, Bama last won a national title in 1992, when the current crop of high school juniors being recruited were 2 or 3 years old. The name Bear Bryant means little or nothing to them. It's sad, and it sucks for Bama fans, but it's the truth. Anyone care to back me up on this?

[gainersfuel]

I don't know if any of you guys listen to ESPN radio, but Colin Cowherd has talked all week about how Alabama fans have an unrealistic and inflated opinion of the prestige of their program. I think he's right. Nick Saban would be a complete MORON to take that job. First, he'd have to take a pay cut, and go back to trying to recruit 17 year old kids, and have to put up with the ridiculous expectations of a fan base who thinks it's still 1978. Hate to burst your bubble, but Alabama is at best the 3rd best program in their own conference. I'm in the same boat as an Indiana U basketball fan, so I know how Bama football fans feel. The bottom line is, Bama last won a national title in 1992, when the current crop of high school juniors being recruited were 2 or 3 years old. The name Bear Bryant means little or nothing to them. It's sad, and it sucks for Bama fans, but it's the truth. Anyone care to back me up on this?

y do ppl keep saying this? this is a dumb statement. why wouldnt alabama want to try to hire the best coach? Most Bama fans i know understand that we arent where we used to be. You're confusing that with tradition. to say we dont have tradition is another dumb statement.

[Kaidog]

I don't know if any of you guys listen to ESPN radio, but Colin Cowherd has talked all week about how Alabama fans have an unrealistic and inflated opinion of the prestige of their program. I think he's right. Nick Saban would be a complete MORON to take that job. First, he'd have to take a pay cut, and go back to trying to recruit 17 year old kids, and have to put up with the ridiculous expectations of a fan base who thinks it's still 1978. Hate to burst your bubble, but Alabama is at best the 3rd best program in their own conference. I'm in the same boat as an Indiana U basketball fan, so I know how Bama football fans feel. The bottom line is, Bama last won a national title in 1992, when the current crop of high school juniors being recruited were 2 or 3 years old. The name Bear Bryant means little or nothing to them. It's sad, and it sucks for Bama fans, but it's the truth. Anyone care to back me up on this?

Put it this way, Mike Dubose had a 10 win season and a SEC Championship. Mike Shula had a 10 win, Fraudcione had a 10 win. You can be a complete baffoon and win at Alabama. Just like Oklahoma, USC, Notre Dame, Michigan...these programs have all been down at times, but they always rise up because of tradition. Your right about the age of recruits since the last NC, but you'd be suprised how many are aware of the tradition and love it. We have some of the nicest facilities in the country and now we are hiring a proven coach to go with them.

The SEC is a tough a$s conference..period...RR or no RR, but we will compete for SEC and NC championships year in and year out with a solid hire.

[Kaidog]

Being from south Florida, I will tell you that Saban isn't going anywhere. His job is secure for at least another 2 years with the Dolphins. Huizenga is happy with him.

Saban had all he wanted and/or needed at LSU. If he would have wanted to stay a college coach he would have stayed there.


He expressed interest to Bama, I still believe if we would have waited for his answer until the 12/31 (end of NFL season). He would have accepted. Hes not happy in Miami and I believe he will head back to college after next year when his contract is up.

If you look back at his record at Michigan St - LSU - Dolphins, hes a good leader and great defensive mind, but his records have never been that great. He had one 1 loss season that he got a NC out of...but other than that, not so impressive (Possibly b/c he never stays very long). I'd rather have RR.

[Avenge1]

but Alabama is at best the 3rd best program in their own state.

... fixed.

[MetalGuitarist]

I don't know if any of you guys listen to ESPN radio, but Colin Cowherd has talked all week about how Alabama fans have an unrealistic and inflated opinion of the prestige of their program. I think he's right. Nick Saban would be a complete MORON to take that job. First, he'd have to take a pay cut, and go back to trying to recruit 17 year old kids, and have to put up with the ridiculous expectations of a fan base who thinks it's still 1978. Hate to burst your bubble, but Alabama is at best the 3rd best program in their own conference. I'm in the same boat as an Indiana U basketball fan, so I know how Bama football fans feel. The bottom line is, Bama last won a national title in 1992, when the current crop of high school juniors being recruited were 2 or 3 years old. The name Bear Bryant means little or nothing to them. It's sad, and it sucks for Bama fans, but it's the truth. Anyone care to back me up on this?
I'm going to fill you in on something you're probably not very aware of. Football in the state of Alabama is talked about 365 days a year. I'm sure these kids growing up now in Alabama know who Bear Bryant is. People have very long memories and I'm willing to bet he is very near the top of most conversations regarding football. I'll let you know something else. Most Aubie and UT fans are very well aware of him. They fought for years to catch up to Bama and finally did when he passed. With the double, "not so secret" probation the program has been down. However, Shula and his staff have a lot of young talent in the program. With the right coach and a few more solid recruits, this team will be back and competing for SEC Championships in the very near future.

[MetalGuitarist]

... fixed.
Friggin' barners. Yes, I'm going to start using the term "barner" to refer to you guys. Bama has now had 5 coaches just in this decade and it is not even 2/3s over and we've been on probation twice in the past ten years with the last one almost being the death penalty. And, you guys have one conference championship to show for it during that time. One? Just one? Yes, you've beaten us five times straight. Yes, you've had like one of the best runs in your history. However, you've had one, count 'em, one conference championship during that period. You guys should have been killing everybody.

My recommendation to you is go ahead and erect your Tubby statue and engrave his present record to date. That way, once Alabama gets back on top you guys can go and weep at his feet and reflect back upon what you could have and should have had.

[TrojanNole]

It would be interesting seeing JP Wilson run the spread option :rolleyes:

FEAR THE THUMBS! :mad:

Actually, JP, ran the spread option at Hoover HS. I actually saw a couple of his games.

[Kaidog]

Actually, JP, ran the spread option at Hoover HS. I actually saw a couple of his games.


...and won two state championships running it.

[heavy_hitter]

He expressed interest to Bama, I still believe if we would have waited for his answer until the 12/31 (end of NFL season). He would have accepted. Hes not happy in Miami and I believe he will head back to college after next year when his contract is up.

If you look back at his record at Michigan St - LSU - Dolphins, hes a good leader and great defensive mind, but his records have never been that great. He had one 1 loss season that he got a NC out of...but other than that, not so impressive (Possibly b/c he never stays very long). I'd rather have RR.

Saban never expressed an interest in Bama. Bama officials continually pestered his agent and Saban. Saban said "No!!" from the first time they had contact with his agent. I will post the article if you really want, but it isn't important enough to me to take the time to do so right now.

As well, you and Gamers have said some pretty dumb stuff. The VT Hokie guy made some valid points. For you to say that Alabama won because of "Tradition" is stupid. People don't win because of tradition. They win because they recruit well and coach their kids up.

Shula did a good job at Bama. He got a raw deal because of unrealistic goals that high up Bama Alum have.

[gainersfuel]

where did gamers say that alabama won cause of tradition? I said it'd be dumb to not try to hire the best coach regardless of what happened in the past. You may as well say something stupid like "Alabama sux now and arent winning championships likd they used to so... They should just not hire good coaches and should just continue to suck.."

[heavy_hitter]

where did gamers say that alabama won cause of tradition? I said it'd be dumb to not try to hire the best coach regardless of what happened in the past. You may as well say something stupid like "Alabama sux now and arent winning championships likd they used to so... They should just not hire good coaches and should just continue to suck.."

Ok... I will rephrase and say Kaidog. I am not a Bama Hater so don't get your panties in a wad.

[gainersfuel]

and why are you so stuck on shula.. did u see a bama football game this year?

[heavy_hitter]

and why are you so stuck on shula.. did u see a bama football game this year?

Yes I saw Bama on several occasions. You are going to have up and down years. You have been on probation and scholarships have been limited. Three years in the situation he was coming into wasn't enough. You had the Phillip Fulmer Scandal, the Mike Price scandal and the Franchione scandal. It wouldn't have mattered who Bama hired, they were going to need more than 3 years.

Let's face the facts, Bama was tired of losing to Auburn. Had Bama been 1-11 with the only win being against Auburn Shula would still have a job.

[gainersfuel]

no doubt bama losing to auburn was part of it but the loss to the MSU's of the world had even more of an effect. If you actually watched the game you would notice that our RT should be on the scout team at best. You would see the lack of discipline when we lose close games someone seems to lose it and ***** slap a player. And when a athlete is in trouble and the media asks the player what he thought coach was gonna do about it he wouldnt say give him a ice cream cone. I could go on. Really, i could.

[heavy_hitter]

no doubt bama losing to auburn was part of it but the loss to the MSU's of the world had even more of an effect. If you actually watched the game you would notice that our RT should be on the scout team at best. You would see the lack of discipline when we lose close games someone seems to lose it and ***** slap a player. And when a athlete is in trouble and the media asks the player what he thought coach was gonna do about it he wouldnt say give him a ice cream cone. I could go on. Really, i could.

All I am saying is that Shula was handcuffed from the day he was hired.

Didn't he also have several players hurt that would have helped this team tremendously?

[gainersfuel]

Bama had 0 major injuries this year. cant use the injury thing for this season

[heavy_hitter]

Bama had 0 major injuries this year. cant use the injury thing for this season

Prothro was hurt last year and he WAS the playmaker.

[gainersfuel]

but i'm talking about this year.. the year that did shula in.. no injuries. We have more than capable WR's.. just call more than drag routes

[ROCKZILLA]

Rich Rod is staying.

[gainersfuel]

yep.. that sux.. oh well. back to the drawing board

[MetalGuitarist]

but i'm talking about this year.. the year that did shula in.. no injuries. We have more than capable WR's.. just call more than drag routes
There weren't catastrophic injuries like in '04, but there were injuries. It all started with Christensen and Coffee in training camp. If Christensen isn't injured, we probably beat Arky. Keith Brown was also injured and hasn't been the same since it occurred in the Ole Miss game. After that with only one serious threat at WR and no running game, the O was pretty much in trouble. Also, JPW had a sprained ankle which was more of a nagging injury, but it did affect his play. Terrence Jones also was injured and missed the Arky game.

[TONY 4 MVP]

HAHA. He used you bama bums to get more money.:p :p ;)

[Avenge1]

However, you've had one, count 'em, one conference championship during that period. You guys should have been killing everybody.

As if Florida, Tenn, LSU, Arkansas, and Georgia are just supposed to lay down for us each of those 5 years. :rolleyes:

5 in a row baby! :mad:

[MetalGuitarist]

HAHA. He used you bama bums to get more money.:p :p ;)
Well, when you cannot get it at home, you go looking for it elsewhere or at least that's what I hear. Evidently, WVU finally gave it up.

If you care to look at my posts over on Utopia, I assumed and suspected this might happen.
http://www.ncaastrategies.com/utopia/showthread.php?t=45918
http://www.ncaastrategies.com/utopia/showthread.php?t=45594


As if Florida, Tenn, LSU, Arkansas, and Georgia are just supposed to lay down for us each of those 5 years.

5 in a row baby!
Hehe. One is the loneliest number... :D ;) Roll Tide!!!

[TONY 4 MVP]

Well, when you cannot get it at home, you go looking for it elsewhere or at least that's what I hear. Evidently, WVU finally gave it up.

If you care to look at my posts over on Utopia, I assumed and suspected this might happen.
http://www.ncaastrategies.com/utopia/showthread.php?t=45918
http://www.ncaastrategies.com/utopia/showthread.php?t=45594


Hehe. One is the loneliest number... :D ;) Roll Tide!!!
well i guess nothing is official yet, i was just kiddin though, i hope you guys find a good coach.

[VTHokie32]

I'm going to fill you in on something you're probably not very aware of. Football in the state of Alabama is talked about 365 days a year. I'm sure these kids growing up now in Alabama know who Bear Bryant is. People have very long memories and I'm willing to bet he is very near the top of most conversations regarding football. I'll let you know something else. Most Aubie and UT fans are very well aware of him. They fought for years to catch up to Bama and finally did when he passed. With the double, "not so secret" probation the program has been down. However, Shula and his staff have a lot of young talent in the program. With the right coach and a few more solid recruits, this team will be back and competing for SEC Championships in the very near future.

Get a life and realize that the world is bigger than the state of Alabama. How many 5 Star recruits does Alabama produce in a given year? Maybe 4-5? Yes Bear is at or near the top of most FAN conversations regarding football... but here's a newsflash: most of those fans are 40+ years old with a gut. Not the young athletes who are being recruited by colleges. Those kids focus on 1 thing, for the most part: Getting to the NFL. They all think they're going, and they want to play for a coach who will get them there. So back to those 4-5 kids. 1 will probably end up at Tennessee or LSU. 1 probably won't qualify academically and will go to a juco. That leaves you with 3, and at least 1 of those is a lock for Auburn, because they've been winning more than Bama recently. That leaves you with 1 or 2 that Bama can hope to sign. Moral of the story is that most of the truly elite athletes Bama signs are not from Bama. If you didn't know that, you're not as smart as you think you are. I was trying to be nice in my original post, but you ticked me off, so there.

[Kaidog]

Ok... I will rephrase and say Kaidog. I am not a Bama Hater so don't get your panties in a wad.


Sorry you misunderstood, by saying "they always bounce back because of tradition", I didnt mean every player wanted to play there because of past performances. I meant that schools with tradition always bounce back because they expect alittle more out of the program, it doesnt matter what it cost.

Oklahoma is a great example, they were down for quite awhile after Barry Switzer. They finally found a good coach and ponied up $3.5 million to keep him. USC was down for awhile, they found a good coach and ponied up $2.8 million to keep him...Mack Brown $2.7, Jim Tressel $2.0 mil. and Im sure Weis gets a load of cash. Mike Shula was making $1.8 million after one good year.

All of these schools spare no expense to keep up with the Jones' when it comes to facilities and coaches. Point is...traditional power schools dont like losing and will open the pocket book to become a winner again unlike many other schools. It still might take awhile to find the right fit, but they never stop trying until they find the winning formula again.

Bobby Bowden MADE FSU what it is, won 2 national championships and Shula was still getting paid more than Bowden ($1.7 mil).

[MetalGuitarist]

Get a life and realize that the world is bigger than the state of Alabama. How many 5 Star recruits does Alabama produce in a given year? Maybe 4-5? Yes Bear is at or near the top of most FAN conversations regarding football... but here's a newsflash: most of those fans are 40+ years old with a gut. Not the young athletes who are being recruited by colleges. Those kids focus on 1 thing, for the most part: Getting to the NFL. They all think they're going, and they want to play for a coach who will get them there. So back to those 4-5 kids. 1 will probably end up at Tennessee or LSU. 1 probably won't qualify academically and will go to a juco. That leaves you with 3, and at least 1 of those is a lock for Auburn, because they've been winning more than Bama recently. That leaves you with 1 or 2 that Bama can hope to sign. Moral of the story is that most of the truly elite athletes Bama signs are not from Bama. If you didn't know that, you're not as smart as you think you are. I was trying to be nice in my original post, but you ticked me off, so there.
I'm sorry, but you're still not getting it. I'm not sure where you live, but Alabama is known throughout the south for its football team... even though they haven't been doing well lately.

Bama doesn't need all the 5 star recruits. ...and those 40+ yos with a gut that you mentioned have a hell of a lot of influence on where their children and grandchildren play ball. I'll give you an example from last year... Andre Smith. Yes, I understand Bama gets recruits from CA, TX, MS, LA, TN, GA, & FL. However, there is a ton of talent in state and recently it has been going to the UTs, Aubs, FLs, & LSUs of the world. Bama has been losing Huntsville to UT and Mobile to LSU, Aub, and UF. Once things settle down in Tuscaloosa and stability is maintained with winning, you'll see where the majority of those kids go. Add the talent in MS and FL to that equation and you'll see what I'm talking about it. I've seen it before and I will see it again.

[VTHokie32]

I'm sorry, but you're still not getting it. I'm not sure where you live, but Alabama is known throughout the south for its football team... even though they haven't been doing well lately.

Bama doesn't need all the 5 star recruits. ...and those 40+ yos with a gut that you mentioned have a hell of a lot of influence on where their children and grandchildren play ball. I'll give you an example from last year... Andre Smith. Yes, I understand Bama gets recruits from CA, TX, MS, LA, TN, GA, & FL. However, there is a ton of talent in state and recently it has been going to the UTs, Aubs, FLs, & LSUs of the world. Bama has been losing Huntsville to UT and Mobile to LSU, Aub, and UF. Once things settle down in Tuscaloosa and stability is maintained with winning, you'll see where the majority of those kids go. Add the talent in MS and FL to that equation and you'll see what I'm talking about it. I've seen it before and I will see it again.

Okay, then... who are they going to get? Somebody young and hungry, or an older, proven coach. Bear had won a lot of games at 3 other schools before "Mama called," as he put it. So will they try to find someone who has been a head coach for a while? They probably feel like they tried a younger guy with Shula and it didn't work out.

Here are a few candidates:
1. Glen Mason from Minnesota. He had a down year this year, but he built them into a consistant winner after also turning Kansas, I think, into a bowl team.
2. Joe Tiller from Purdue. He turned that program completely around in the past 10 years, and may be interested in a new challenge. If he doesn't move on soon, he may become a victim of his own success at Purdue.
3. Norm Chow, OC, Tennessee Titans. He's might be a little old, but he would be a good candidate who could stick around for 8-10 years. Never been a HC, though.
4. Bob Davie, TV announcer. I thought he did ok at ND, but schools just are not patient enough with guys. He's been out of coaching for a few years, so he may be getting itchy to coach again.
5. Terry Bowden, TV. Why has this guy not been hired? Probably would need to rehab his image at a lower profile job first, so he might not be a candidate.
6. Dennis Green, Arizona Cards. He's struggled quite a bit in AZ, but he was hugely successful at Stanford. Would he want to go back to recruiting?
7. Dennis Erickson, Idaho. A bit of an Outlaw image, but no one can deny that he is a winner, which is at the top of Bama's requirement list.

[MetalGuitarist]

Okay, then... who are they going to get? Somebody young and hungry, or an older, proven coach. Bear had won a lot of games at 3 other schools before "Mama called," as he put it. So will they try to find someone who has been a head coach for a while? They probably feel like they tried a younger guy with Shula and it didn't work out.

Here are a few candidates:
1. Glen Mason from Minnesota. He had a down year this year, but he built them into a consistant winner after also turning Kansas, I think, into a bowl team.
2. Joe Tiller from Purdue. He turned that program completely around in the past 10 years, and may be interested in a new challenge. If he doesn't move on soon, he may become a victim of his own success at Purdue.
3. Norm Chow, OC, Tennessee Titans. He's might be a little old, but he would be a good candidate who could stick around for 8-10 years. Never been a HC, though.
4. Bob Davie, TV announcer. I thought he did ok at ND, but schools just are not patient enough with guys. He's been out of coaching for a few years, so he may be getting itchy to coach again.
5. Terry Bowden, TV. Why has this guy not been hired? Probably would need to rehab his image at a lower profile job first, so he might not be a candidate.
6. Dennis Green, Arizona Cards. He's struggled quite a bit in AZ, but he was hugely successful at Stanford. Would he want to go back to recruiting?
7. Dennis Erickson, Idaho. A bit of an Outlaw image, but no one can deny that he is a winner, which is at the top of Bama's requirement list.
That's the million dollar question right now.
1. Glen Mason - I actually like his approach to offense and it would fit very well in the SEC. However, his teams seem to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory to have horrifying losses. Remember Wisconsin last year?
2. Joe Tiller - I'm not big on this guy. His teams have monumental collapses also. Again, Wisconsin comes to mind from '05.
3. Norm Chow - has already said thanks, but no thanks. He's a west coast guy.
4. Bob Davie - I'm not big on this guy. Best I can recall he made some bonehead calls while at ND, but I cannot remember what they were.
5. Terry Bowden - Are you serious? Hehe. I heard, from Auburn fans, that he got some woman at the school at Auburn pregnant and they were both married. ...to different people. Then, money was paid to shut this up and send him packing.
6. Dennis Green - doubt he would come back to college. I think he's a good pro coach and those always seem to linger for a long time in the NFL whether they're a head coach or not. Besides, Arizona is a very difficult place to win.
7. Dennis Erickson - I thought of this guy when no one had mentioned him. However, he seems to have a bad reputation wherever he goes. Was just announced yesterday he's going to Arizona State.

Personally, I think we're seriously screwed. Shula deserved another year. Also, IMO there weren't very many "good" candidates to select from this year either. By "good" I mean realistic with the ability to deliver.

My top three right now would be the following...
1. Nick Saban - I don't think we've totally given up on this guy. If the Dolphins continue on the downward slide and the $ is right, he might jump back to college this year instead of later.
2. Jeff Tetford - don't know realistically if he'd come. However, if the deal is sweet enough, who knows.
3. Bob Stoops/Mike Belotti - heard rumors about Stoops, but don't know how true those are. Unless the stuff with the NCAA problems were true, he wouldn't come. Belotti from Oregon is kind of a sleeper coach. I think he is a very good coach that no one has mentioned, but again don't know if he'd come east.

[VTHokie32]

Well, I'm an ND fan, and I was really worried a couple of years ago that they were going to get another lemon, but they ended up with Charlie, who I wouldn't trade for anybody short of Knute Rockne, so that proves that there are good candidates out there. I guess you can see I'm a big Charlie Weis guy... I just keep thinking back to his introductory press conference when he promised "an intelligent, hardworking, NASTY football team," and also came up with some other gems, including "you are what you are. And right now what you are is a 6-6 football team... and that is just NOT going to be good enough." Here's a candidate for you: Romeo Crennell. Things are a mess in Cleveland, maybe he'll follow Charlie's lead and try college. He has the same selling points for recruits as Charlie... namely Super Bowl rings. I can't believe Norm Chow wasn's interested. I thought the whole reason he went to the NFL was so he could get a head coaching job in college. How about Jim Harbaugh? The last I heard, he had really built a winner at U of San Diego or some place like that. And, he's young enough to stay at Bama for 30 years.

[ZachArt002]

Well, I'm an ND fan

So naturally your SN is VTHokie32.

[VTHokie32]

So naturally your SN is VTHokie32.

Back in '04 I was messing around with playing online for the only time, and I used VT because I like to run the option, and I believe they had Marcus Vick at QB, who was fast. I found this site trying to find a way to counter the WR direct snap. I originally registered as "NDIrish32", but somehow wasn't able to post, so I re-reged as VTHokie32.

[MetalGuitarist]

Well, I'm an ND fan, and I was really worried a couple of years ago that they were going to get another lemon, but they ended up with Charlie, who I wouldn't trade for anybody short of Knute Rockne, so that proves that there are good candidates out there. I guess you can see I'm a big Charlie Weis guy... I just keep thinking back to his introductory press conference when he promised "an intelligent, hardworking, NASTY football team," and also came up with some other gems, including "you are what you are. And right now what you are is a 6-6 football team... and that is just NOT going to be good enough." Here's a candidate for you: Romeo Crennell. Things are a mess in Cleveland, maybe he'll follow Charlie's lead and try college. He has the same selling points for recruits as Charlie... namely Super Bowl rings. I can't believe Norm Chow wasn's interested. I thought the whole reason he went to the NFL was so he could get a head coaching job in college. How about Jim Harbaugh? The last I heard, he had really built a winner at U of San Diego or some place like that. And, he's young enough to stay at Bama for 30 years.
Even though things seem like a mess in Cleveland, I think he's actually doing a decent job with what he's had to work with. As far as Chow goes, I think he might be looking to get back out west. I think I heard him linked (not signed) to the Stanford job. Jim Harbaugh? I doubt it. I think a lot of Bama fans remember the absolute mugging his Michigan team gave our WR on the sideline in the Hall of Fame bowl game during the '87 season. You never know though.

I do know one thing, Charlie Weis is doing a heck of a job recruiting. They're going to be quite scary in a couple of years.

[heavy_hitter]

I agree with Metal that this was a BAD year to let Shula go. The Bama job is definately not as enticing as it once was. Then you have a host of other Top schools looking to replace a coach.

This will probably piss you Bama fans off, but the Bama job isn't even the premier job in the state of Alabama anymore. If Tubberville left Auburn today, they would have that position filled with a top notch coach within days barring any allegations of mischief. Bama has problems and didn't give Shula a chance.

As far as Bob Davies being mentioned as a candidate, the guy is a legit moron. I hate listening to his analysis on games. His voice is irritating and he has no sense.

Terry Bowden will never coach again IMO.

The search to find a coach for Bama is going to be like my *****. Long and Hard.

[countrytider]

[QUOTE=heavy_hitter]I agree with Metal that this was a BAD year to let Shula go. The Bama job is definately not as enticing as it once was. Then you have a host of other Top schools looking to replace a coach.

This will probably piss you Bama fans off, but the Bama job isn't even the premier job in the state of Alabama anymore. If Tubberville left Auburn today, they would have that position filled with a top notch coach within days barring any allegations of mischief. Bama has problems and didn't give Shula a chance.

[QUOTE]


That may be true, right now, but theres no question that 'Bama is just a "Pete Carroll" away so to speak from being the Bama of old. As far as the top program in the state, well a few years of auburn benefiting from 'Bama's troubles doesn't erase an historical powerhouse like Alabama. Granted, we're not a powerhouse right now, thats why I said "historical" powerhouse. Big time programs come back time and time again and 'Bama's no different. Everything is in place, we just need leadership, and need it bad.

[MetalGuitarist]

That may be true, right now, but theres no question that 'Bama is just a "Pete Carroll" away so to speak from being the Bama of old. As far as the top program in the state, well a few years of auburn benefiting from 'Bama's troubles doesn't erase an historical powerhouse like Alabama. Granted, we're not a powerhouse right now, thats why I said "historical" powerhouse. Big time programs come back time and time again and 'Bama's no different. Everything is in place, we just need leadership, and need it bad.
Actually, I don't even think we need a Pete Carroll. It would be nice though. We need someone that can consistently beat the UTs, LSUs, and Aubs of the world. That will appease the masses and give consistency to the program which is what it desperately needs. The talent is there at Bama right now, it is just young. Alabama is definitely a sleeping giant and with the right person it will awake.

[heavy_hitter]

Actually, I don't even think we need a Pete Carroll. It would be nice though. We need someone that can consistently beat the UTs, LSUs, and Aubs of the world. That will appease the masses and give consistency to the program which is what it desperately needs. The talent is there at Bama right now, it is just young. Alabama is definitely a sleeping giant and with the right person it will awake.

Hey Metal. I may be making a trip up to Cookeville within the next several months. I will keep you posted. Maybe I can buy you a beer at Cotton Eye Joe's. I went there last time I was up and all I can say is WOW. The last time I was at a place like that was back in college.

[MetalGuitarist]

Hey Metal. I may be making a trip up to Cookeville within the next several months. I will keep you posted. Maybe I can buy you a beer at Cotton Eye Joe's. I went there last time I was up and all I can say is WOW. The last time I was at a place like that was back in college.
Just let me know. I won't go to the Joe though. I hate that place!!! The one time I did go there I was forced too and ran into practically half the people I know in this county and the surrounding area.

[MetalGuitarist]

This is interesting. Now there's a full three weeks between the LSU and Auburn games. I bet Shula would have loved to have had that.
http://www.rolltide.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=37423&SPID=3011&DB_OEM_ID=8000&ATCLID=723774

[heavy_hitter]

Just let me know. I won't go to the Joe though. I hate that place!!! The one time I did go there I was forced too and ran into practically half the people I know in this county and the surrounding area.

Lol.... I am not the type for that type of crowd anymore.

[MetalGuitarist]

Lol.... I am not the type for that type of crowd anymore.
I'm not for places that have cover charges (without a band), make you tuck your shirt in, have rednecks 'o plenty, and single/married women that have an average of 5 kids each. No thanks.

I know of a place out on campus that we used to go to all the time. No cover and very few rednecks if any at all.

[Kaidog]

Ended up with our first choice...thanks Rita Rodriguez..

[Kaidog]

Being from south Florida, I will tell you that Saban isn't going anywhere. His job is secure for at least another 2 years with the Dolphins. Huizenga is happy with him.

Saban had all he wanted and/or needed at LSU. If he would have wanted to stay a college coach he would have stayed there.


Oops........

[MetalGuitarist]

They're talking to Hank Goldberg on ESPN News right now and he said he heard from two people that Saban's agent floated his name back to the college ranks during the Dolphins football season. If that's true, that could make this other rumor I heard a few weeks back true. That rumor was that the decision to fire Shula was made around the Duke game. If that is true it would make this entire ordeal a travesty. I sure hope not.

[onduty23]

as a dolphins fan i knew nick the sellout was gonna leave


i hope nfl owners smarten up and start blacklisting college coaches from getting hired in the pros


nick glad the bum left . he wasnt nfl material. hopes he enjoy alabama cause in three years they are gonna fired his azz :lol:

[Avenge1]

K-dog, you asked me online whether I feared Nick Saban more or Bobby Patrino more ... but signed off before I could answer.

The answer is simple = Bobby Patrino. If Alabama got him, I would be very worried as an Auburn fan. That guy used to be our OC and is a very, very smart coach.

With that being said, Nick Saban is a great hire. I congradulate you guys on that. I hope we still win another 5 in a row against you (and think we still can), but you guys won't have to worry about any seasons like you had with Shula. Saban will have you guys in the spotlight again and at least all the wishy-washy Bama fans will also respect him because he is big-time. Should be a great Iron bow to watch next year. I think we'll both be around 9-2 when we meet.

Then ... as usual .. we will wipe our *** with you. :cool:

[MetalGuitarist]

With that being said, Nick Saban is a great hire. I congradulate you guys on that. I hope we still win another 5 in a row against you (and think we still can), but you guys won't have to worry about any seasons like you had with Shula. Saban will have you guys in the spotlight again and at least all the wishy-washy Bama fans will also respect him because he is big-time. Should be a great Iron bow to watch next year. I think we'll both be around 9-2 when we meet.

Then ... as usual .. we will wipe our *** with you. :cool:
I have one word for you Avenge, delusional. Neither team will be 9-2 going into the Iron Bowl next year. 7-4 or 8-3 is the best either will be headed into that game next year unless several players really step up and are huge for both teams next year. I'm talking DeMeco Ryans & David Palmer huge.

[heavy_hitter]

Oops........

That was three weeks ago or more you moron. Things can change alot with that amount of time.

What did you find out about your coach?
1. He is unloyal?
2. He does alot of teaching about mental toughness and he isn't mental tough himself?
3. He is a liar?
4. He doesn't care about a contract and finishing the job he started?

Just so you know, money wasn't even the factor of leaving the Phins. He never asked Wayne for more money. I believe he wanted to stay. His wife hated South Florida and that is why he is gone.

[Kaidog]

That was three weeks ago or more you moron. Things can change alot with that amount of time.

He was saying the same things two days ago that he did three weeks ago "moron"...


What did you find out about your coach?
1. He is unloyal?
2. He does alot of teaching about mental toughness and he isn't mental tough himself?
3. He is a liar?
4. He doesn't care about a contract and finishing the job he started?

You havent followed many coaching searches have you? Tubberville, Fulmer, Spurrier, Miles, Urban Meyer and Fraudcione had similar baggage and thats just the ones I know about. As they say...winning cures all...


Just so you know, money wasn't even the factor of leaving the Phins. He never asked Wayne for more money. I believe he wanted to stay. His wife hated South Florida and that is why he is gone.

I honestly dont care if the reason he came was because his dog was unhappy in Miami, hes here now and thats all that really matters to most Bama fans.

After all the Mike Shula praise from you and Don, maybe the Dolphins should hire him as the next head coach.

[MightyBruin]

He was saying the same things two days ago that he did three weeks ago "moron"...


No he wasn't. For weeks he said he had no interest at all in the Bama job. Mean what you say and say what you mean. Saban obviously doesn't do this. He should have just kept his mouth shut or said no comment. Now he looks like a liar. BTW I hear he didn't even meet in person with the team or other coaches, just called them over the phone and said he was leaving for Bama. That is some p*ssy stuff right there.

[heavy_hitter]

No he wasn't. For weeks he said he had no interest at all in the Bama job. Mean what you say and say what you mean. Saban obviously doesn't do this. He should have just kept his mouth shut or said no comment. Now he looks like a liar. BTW I hear he didn't even meet in person with the team or other coaches, just called them over the phone and said he was leaving for Bama. That is some p*ssy stuff right there.

What they are saying on the Sports Talk Shows down here is that he did a speaker phone conference call to his coaches. NO CLASS.

As well, he told Huizenga over the phone. Huizenga lives about a block away and Saban could even go tell him face to face. Huizenga went to Sabans house after the call.

Quote by Derrick Pope (Former Bama player now playing for the Dolphins) in today's press, "I will root for Bama and the players and coaches I know there. I won't root for Nick Saban."

Saban is a sellout and what he did was by far worse than anyone KYdog is listing. Saban should be the blueprint for how NOT to handle a new coaching situation.

[MetalGuitarist]

Franochio - "hold the rope"
Tuberville - I'm not leaving Mississippi.

These are just a couple of examples. If Saban had mentioned talking to Bama during the Dolphins season, he would have been in big trouble and Bama would have been accused of tampering. From what's been reported, no direct contact was made with Saban until Monday. Therefore, what Saban was saying before then was true. Now, if other news is verified to the contrary, then his rep is damaged.

What was reported yesterday was that Huizenga talked to Saban at Saban's place and Saban told him he would stay if WH wanted him to. Huizenga told him his heart was somewhere else and encouraged him to take the job.

[heavy_hitter]

Franochio - "hold the rope"
Tuberville - I'm not leaving Mississippi.

These are just a couple of examples. If Saban had mentioned talking to Bama during the Dolphins season, he would have been in big trouble and Bama would have been accused of tampering. From what's been reported, no direct contact was made with Saban until Monday. Therefore, what Saban was saying before then was true. Now, if other news is verified to the contrary, then his rep is damaged.

What was reported yesterday was that Huizenga talked to Saban at Saban's place and Saban told him he would stay if WH wanted him to. Huizenga told him his heart was somewhere else and encouraged him to take the job.

There is no such thing as tampering when a college is searching for an NFL coach or Vice Versa. Meaning the NFL can't fine Bama for tampering. Tampering is a NFL thing.

As well, everything you are saying is a matter of semantics. Talking Directly being one of them. They talked to Sabans agent which is the same thing as talking to Saban. It wasn't like Nick was out of the loop.

Saban pussed out with Huizenga. "If you really want to stay in Miami I will." WTF is that? He wanted WH to make the decision for himself and his family? What a pussy azz move.

[Kaidog]

HH,

Now that I know how you feel about Saban, how do you feel about Kevin Steele, because we just got him too.

-----> This Guy <----- (http://seminoles.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/steele_kevin00.html)

[heavy_hitter]

HH,

Now that I know how you feel about Saban, how do you feel about Kevin Steele, because we just got him too.

-----> This Guy <----- (http://seminoles.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/steele_kevin00.html)

He is a better recruiter than a LB coach in my opinion. Look at the guys he has landed at FSU. However, I think that his LB's play undisciplined. It will be a loss for the recruitring trail, but not from the aspect of coaching. Again, that is just my opinion. I wish the best to Kevin Steele.

More than likely we will be getting Chuck Amato back who is just as good as a recruiter and a better position coach than Steele.

We also got Rick Tricket from WVU who was supposedly the best recruiter there.

Former Nole Lawerence Dawsey is the new WR's coach and he is an uprgrade in recruiting and coaching the WR's over Jeff Bowden.







do you know the difference between a maggot and a Tide fan? They can both live off of dead BEAR for over twenty years...

The only thing is, the maggots eventually know when to quit and they change into something else.

[MetalGuitarist]

There is no such thing as tampering when a college is searching for an NFL coach or Vice Versa. Meaning the NFL can't fine Bama for tampering. Tampering is a NFL thing.

As well, everything you are saying is a matter of semantics. Talking Directly being one of them. They talked to Sabans agent which is the same thing as talking to Saban. It wasn't like Nick was out of the loop.

Saban pussed out with Huizenga. "If you really want to stay in Miami I will." WTF is that? He wanted WH to make the decision for himself and his family? What a pussy azz move.
Bama would have still been said by many to have tampered. If I tell your friend something, that's not the same thing as telling you. I'm sure Saban was in the loop.

Oh, something else you're not going to be pleased with, Bama has contacted Fisher. I read an article a few weeks ago and Jimbo said he was basically waiting on pins & needles to see what Saban was going to do. That's not an exact quote, but it meant he wanted to see if Saban went anywhere before he made a decision on where to coach.

[heavy_hitter]

Bama would have still been said by many to have tampered. If I tell your friend something, that's not the same thing as telling you. I'm sure Saban was in the loop.

Oh, something else you're not going to be pleased with, Bama has contacted Fisher. I read an article a few weeks ago and Jimbo said he was basically waiting on pins & needles to see what Saban was going to do. That's not an exact quote, but it meant he wanted to see if Saban went anywhere before he made a decision on where to coach.

Fisher is already on the plane to Tuscaloosa. The Trustees (Lil' Bear Bryant) sabotaged Fishers chance at UAB so that he could become OC at Bama if Saban left Miami. For one brief moment since the Bear died, the stars are beginning to align for Bama fans.

[MetalGuitarist]

Fisher is already on the plane to Tuscaloosa. The Trustees (Lil' Bear Bryant) sabotaged Fishers chance at UAB so that he could become OC at Bama if Saban left Miami. For one brief moment since the Bear died, the stars are beginning to align for Bama fans.
I'm hearing he's headed to Tally.

[heavy_hitter]

I'm hearing he's headed to Tally.

All I know is that on one of the Bama message boards there is a guy that has called everything. Supposedly he is friends with Saban and Fisher's agent. He has given press conference times down to the hour even before those press conference times have been released. He said Jimbo would be in Tuscaloosa. That is what I have been going on.

[MetalGuitarist]

All I know is that on one of the Bama message boards there is a guy that has called everything. Supposedly he is friends with Saban and Fisher's agent. He has given press conference times down to the hour even before those press conference times have been released. He said Jimbo would be in Tuscaloosa. That is what I have been going on.
It was just reported by a guy on Utopia who has been giving good info that there is basically a power struggle over hiring Fisher b/c Bowden wants to pay him $600,000 and his boss doesn't want to pay that. Supposedly Bowden has gone over his head to the president and they're meeting right now.