stopping singleback big

[oskar]

I was just wandering if anyone knows what would be the best overall defence against this formation?
My friend is using it all the time against me (usually on all downs) when we play online and I just can't seem to get him to stop using it.
This formation seems to be the ultimate way to stop 3-4 defence for blitzing the QB, also it is good for inside and outside runs and for short inside slants and of course for the long outside passes (this is the way he is using it the most...) i need some sugestions, any for that matter that could help me shutdown threats from this formation and I don't care if I have to switch my basic 3-4 defence to some other defensive philosophy...

[stickskills1]

Have you tried the 3-4 over/under/solid? You still need to adjust your D line and Lb's. You can shift your D line and lbs in opposite directions to throw him off. Its a bend but don't break defense.

[oskar]

i know... but I don't want to bend anymore:)
yeah, it's working with 3-4 but he is having to many options he is exploiting constantly. I think 4 out of 5 audiable plays he is using are related to singleback big and so he is constantly changing attack from run to run, from pass to run and god knows what else is going on there...
problem whem I'm using 3-4 is exactly the thing you mentioned and that is defensive adjustments... he starts with no huddle attack and I can't adjust that fast to his attack when all he has to do is switch his audible play, while in the meantime I have to press millions of buttons to adjust to what I think his next potential play would be...
So because of that I am looking for some better solution to this problem because this is becoming very exsausting way of playing defence...

[stickskills1]

Yeah, alot of times I'm in the middle of my setup when my opponents snaps the ball, them I'm in a state of WTF? The cover 2 pb and balanced D has 3-4 and 4-3 formations. I play with the chargers and I switch b/w the 3-4 and 4-3. Problem with the 4-3 is that my WDT is not very good so I'll pick plays that don't involve him spying the QB or anything that involves him looping around the DE.

[oskar]

And that creates a problem of lacking a freedom in formation choosing.
Thats why i stopped playing with chargers and started to look for some more balanced team to solve my problem.
The thing is everytime I find a team with good front 4 in defensive line, that team just simply don't have that fourth good linebacker who could help me fill that WMLB spot I desperately need...
Also is there any other defensive playbook in this years madden that have "46 normal" formation as a choice except
46, balanced D and ravens playbook???

[BOOBOOSD]

Yeah Singleback-Big can be tough to stop with a 3-4. I use the Chargers as well, what I do though is pinch the D-line and keep my Linebackers in their default U-Shaped form. Then I usually manually play as one of the ILBs, usually the WILB and I stand over the LG and if the run is up the gut, I dodge the guard and whip around into the A-Gap and if the run goes towards the outside, I try to swim arm and muscle my way that way towards the outside and if I don't get him usually my blitzing ROLB does or safety/CB. Keep in mind that I usually leave both OLBs blitzing and I stack the SILB on the SDE or right in the A-Gap between the NT and SDE. Most of the times I leave both OLBs and the SILB blitzing if it becomes a problem and I then get pretty good backside run support from the SILB/SOLB if the run is towards the weak side and I drop back with the WILB if it's a pass. Usually I put that SILB in a flat zone or purple zone though. I run Engage8 as my base zone play then modify it with a few playmakers here and there, I flip the play also, I usually also then double up the SE WR with the blitzing FS or put him in a flat zone, but I leave that FS back in his default position to tip nothing off. I also like to use the DoubleX/Z plays out of the 3-4 and modify them into a Cover2-Man Under as I control the Safety in man coverage usually and spread the opposite safety's deep zone towards his side instead of towards the deep middle, but I flip the play if I have to so the OLB that's blitzing, blitzes off the widest side of the field. 3-4 OLB Dogs fire is nice for run stopping help as well.

[ICreate]

There is no magic D. With that being said, if you do not like the 3-4, and want something new, you can try the 4-6, or or Nickle formations. If long outside passing is the problem, then go with a Nickle formaton with some sort of cover 2 man. If the run is the problem, stick with the 4-6. it might be a good idea to have both in your audibles. If you come out in Nickle, but audible to 4-6, then you Run Stopping defense will be packed with speed. If you come out in the 4-6, and audible to Nickle, then your Nickle will be beefy. The idea is to put your defenders in a better position to stop the threat.

[BOOBOOSD]

There is no magic D.

True, but I still think you can scheme against it. Like I said, a Pinched D-line vs. Singleback-Big, helps, especially if you attack the inside A-Gaps after that. If you pinch both the LBs/D-line and blitz an ILB or 2 (w/ no coverage audible shift), it can be tough to run on as well, it's just up to you to contain the edges with the safeties then and watch the middle if he breaks through it some how. This probably works better than what I said in my first post, but I personally like doing what I said in my first post because that's just the way it seems to better suit my pass defense since I like to control my ILBs if I run heavy blitzes out of zone.

[moos3p]

There is no magic D. With that being said, if you do not like the 3-4, and want something new, you can try the 4-6, or or Nickle formations. If long outside passing is the problem, then go with a Nickle formaton with some sort of cover 2 man. If the run is the problem, stick with the 4-6. it might be a good idea to have both in your audibles. If you come out in Nickle, but audible to 4-6, then you Run Stopping defense will be packed with speed. If you come out in the 4-6, and audible to Nickle, then your Nickle will be beefy. The idea is to put your defenders in a better position to stop the threat.

Why not just use the 46 speed so everyone is in thier proper positioning and doen't take awr hits

[oskar]

Why not just use the 46 speed so everyone is in thier proper positioning and doen't take awr hits

that is a good question :confused:

[omega5]

To stop that formation, come out in the dime flat or normal. you can man or zone preferrably zone with a bump and practice using your commit button for pass or run. note spread the dline to stuff the te's before they get to the next level.

[35BigHurt35]

I see you are having problems with the singleback BIG formation. Here's a scheme that I sometimes run and I have some success.

First, use singleback SOLID formation. This formation puts your OLB's directly over the TE's and at the line of scrimmage.

Next, PINCH the DL.

next, call Bump-n-Run coverage

Next, Spread the safeties (triangle and UP on the R-stick for PS2).

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this is a setup that will #1 stop the deep pass. #2 it stops the dive plays and inside runs. #3 it puts your OLB's in good position to play the TE's.



Now, most offensive players have tendencies and if you play your friend a lot, you obviously know the routes that he likes.

Call simple plays like Man 2 under, cover 2 zone, cover 4 drop.

some other wrinkles that I like to do is if he likes to throw corner routes to the TE's I either shade the TE to the outside if I'm in man-to-man coverage usually to the wide side of the field is where they throw corner routes. If I am in zone coverage, I playmaker my ILB on the wider side into a purple zone. This type of zone effectively kills the corner routes.

I also like to generally control the MLB. the reason for this is because with the setup that I use, this allows me to patrol to the outside for outside runs. You usually have a free run with him because the pinched DL occupies the blockers and allows you to move the MLB unmolested. Oh yeah, 1 other thing, on the outside runs, turbo and it's even ok to overrun the play, just do whatever you need to do to not let the RB beat you to the outside. If you get there and make the play, that's fine, otherwise, beat him to the outside and he'll have to cut back and your pursuit will eat him up.

So, lets see, we are shutting down the inside runs. We are roaming to contain the outside runs. We know how to stop the TE's and the long pass is neutralized.

Oh, 1 other thought about pass defense. While using your mlb, you gotta kinda cheat back a little and watch the deeper middle since your safeties are spread towards the sidelines. I don't worry much about the short middle because a lot of shot middle passes get knocked down by lineman anyhow.

Of course, as with any video game defensive scheme, just play his tendencies. Pay particular attention to what he likes to do on 3rd downs and you'll be amazed at how successful you become.

Last note, blitzing the singleback big formation is really not my favorite thing to do because he can hot block TE's or the LB and they protect pretty well. The only blitz that I really use vs this formation would be the CB blitz play out of 3-4 Normal and I only use this if I'm playiong someone that likes to run play action on 2nd downs.


I run a lot of different variations, but this is some basic stuff to get you started.....

[jsilknsmoove]

Hey 35Big Hurt35. I just need to know what is the singleback solid formation to stop the singleback big? U wrote that in this thread earlier.

[oskar]

he is probably talking about 3-4 solid...
I don't know any other formation using word "solid" in it's name except this one...