Sooo, who wants custom playbooks online?

[smoothballer]

Here's my stance I posted in another thread:

This would make the game more realistic. In the NFL teams aren't limited to what formations and routes they can run. I should be able to create any formation I want, with any route I want in every play. It's called football. But also in t the NFL, Teams spend a lot of time creating playbooks and adding plays to them after each week to prepare for their next opponent. This aspect should be in Madden as well. Everybody's offense and defense would be so much more deep. There would be a lot more variety.

Also, this would decrease hot routing. Again, look at the NFL. QB's don't change all their receiver's routes at the line every single play, but in Madden this is the norm. Most top players don't run a passing play without doing at least one hot route. Why? Because they don't have their own plays like the teams in real life do, so they have to create them at the line everytime, which is unrealistic.

This also applies to the defense. It's unrealistic to go around playmakering and moving all of your defenders before the snap. They should already be in position with the assignment you want them to have, just like in real life. And this would also help the defense out tremendously because you don't have to worry about pre-snap adjustments against quick snappers.

[R Moss 84]

some fruit cake will create some gay unstoppable route, put 5 WRs on the field and make everyone of them run it.

[bigeric828]

ya r moss ur definately right. I made a play using the creat a play thing last year, and my friend couldn't stop it, so theres no reason 2 put it online. it would ruin the game

[smoothballer]

There is no such thing as an unstoppable route or play.

[evad04]

Okay, let's clarify: the question is should you be able to put together a playbook by choosing formations and plays. It isn't whether you should be able to CREATE your own plays.

That latter is ridiculous. There would be glitches left and right if you could create your own play; but I would have no problem being able to pick the plays and formations I wanna use in my own book.

[Flaw]

I dunno I kind of like it the way it is. There are a lot of plays in each PB that are just money. If I was able to take the money plays from my STL PB and combine them with others, there would be no stopping me. I don't care how good you are at D, it's still a video game and there are certain plays that just work a lot better than others, and if a PB is full of those plays it would be much too hard to defend.

And as Evad said, creating your own plays and routes from scratch would be ridiculous online. The game would be a mess.

[nothasoul]

Okay, let's clarify: the question is should you be able to put together a playbook by choosing formations and plays. It isn't whether you should be able to CREATE your own plays.

That latter is ridiculous. There would be glitches left and right if you could create your own play; but I would have no problem being able to pick the plays and formations I wanna use in my own book.

I agree. We should be able to make our own playbooks with what has been already created. On offence and on defence. We should be able to use the customise hot routes like off line also.

[bobs2cents]

I think that you should be able to assemble your own PB with plays and formations that are already in the game. That would be the ultimate. I don't think that we should be allowed to put created plays in it. I think that would be a bit rediculous. I really like 3-4 different PBs. All I want to do is make an "All-Star" PB, so to speak.

[TNT713]

The only real justification for NOT having custom plays is the mythical unstoppable OFFENSIVE PLAY. It's as if no one even thinks about defense as a viable option to stopping people. The great majority of Madden fans aren't ready for custom plays online. Sad, but True.

Ideally, players should be able to select 8-10 formations, then select STOCK PLAYS from a global list of all plays from those formations... It beats having 30 plays you use, and 200 you don't in the current playbooks. Then you only have plays you actually plan on USING, instead of alot of eye candy.

Regarding the potential AI defenciencies, we need not lean on our own understanding. In the years I've been studying online video game football communities, I have found that the CUSTOM PLAY DESIGN community is far and wide, the most knowledgeable segment regarding AI issues. By nature they must be intimately familiar with the intricate details of every player's reactions to a canned situation...

Funny how they are almost NEVER CONSULTED when this issue comes up. :confused:

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[GAV]

The only real justification for NOT having custom plays is the mythical unstoppable OFFENSIVE PLAY. It's as if no one even thinks about defense as a viable option to stopping people. The great majority of Madden fans aren't ready for custom plays online. Sad, but True.

Ideally, players should be able to select 8-10 formations, then select STOCK PLAYS from a global list of all plays from those formations... It beats having 30 plays you use, and 200 you don't in the current playbooks. Then you only have plays you actually plan on USING, instead of alot of eye candy.

Regarding the potential AI defenciencies, we need not lean on our own understanding. In the years I've been studying online video game football communities, I have found that the CUSTOM PLAY DESIGN community is far and wide, the most knowledgeable segment regarding AI issues. By nature they must be intimately familiar with the intricate details of every player's reactions to a canned situation...

Funny how they are almost NEVER CONSULTED when this issue comes up. :confused:

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Agreed. Really good point.

[TNT713]

Here's a site with some of the best Madden minds on the net...

Monsterden.net (http://www.maddenuniversity.com/index.php?name=Web_Links&req=visit&lid=36)

Got a question about the AI's ability to handle custom plays, Arkaein is your man.

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[jerseyjay14]

The only real justification for NOT having custom plays is the mythical unstoppable OFFENSIVE PLAY. It's as if no one even thinks about defense as a viable option to stopping people. The great majority of Madden fans aren't ready for custom plays online. Sad, but True.

Ideally, players should be able to select 8-10 formations, then select STOCK PLAYS from a global list of all plays from those formations... It beats having 30 plays you use, and 200 you don't in the current playbooks. Then you only have plays you actually plan on USING, instead of alot of eye candy.

Regarding the potential AI defenciencies, we need not lean on our own understanding. In the years I've been studying online video game football communities, I have found that the CUSTOM PLAY DESIGN community is far and wide, the most knowledgeable segment regarding AI issues. By nature they must be intimately familiar with the intricate details of every player's reactions to a canned situation...

Funny how they are almost NEVER CONSULTED when this issue comes up. :confused:

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TNT, normally i agree, but if you have created a playbook or seen some of the ones created there are untoppable plays that arent just impossible to stop but violate nfl rules...

for instance the most famous one is 4 WR's all line up on the sideline run staight out of bounds, then comeback in....

vs. man to man the Wr's come back in but all defenders stay out of bounds.

vs. zone all the defenders will rush the qb. and if you throw to one of the WR's who went out of bounds and came back there is no penalty.

[TNT713]

TNT, normally i agree, but if you have created a playbook or seen some of the ones created there are untoppable plays that arent just impossible to stop but violate nfl rules...

for instance the most famous one is 4 WR's all line up on the sideline run staight out of bounds, then comeback in....

vs. man to man the Wr's come back in but all defenders stay out of bounds.

vs. zone all the defenders will rush the qb. and if you throw to one of the WR's who went out of bounds and came back there is no penalty.

GREAT POINT!!!

Instead of putting pressure on EA to redo all the passing interfaces, tweak the defensive AI, or nitpicking over the animations we may wanna have them FOCUS on the rules.

Maybe '08 should be the year of the Referee.

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[Packersrule1]

Here's my stance I posted in another thread:

This would make the game more realistic. In the NFL teams aren't limited to what formations and routes they can run. I should be able to create any formation I want, with any route I want in every play. It's called football. But also in t the NFL, Teams spend a lot of time creating playbooks and adding plays to them after each week to prepare for their next opponent. This aspect should be in Madden as well. Everybody's offense and defense would be so much more deep. There would be a lot more variety.

Also, this would decrease hot routing. Again, look at the NFL. QB's don't change all their receiver's routes at the line every single play, but in Madden this is the norm. Most top players don't run a passing play without doing at least one hot route. Why? Because they don't have their own plays like the teams in real life do, so they have to create them at the line everytime, which is unrealistic.

This also applies to the defense. It's unrealistic to go around playmakering and moving all of your defenders before the snap. They should already be in position with the assignment you want them to have, just like in real life. And this would also help the defense out tremendously because you don't have to worry about pre-snap adjustments against quick snappers.
I dont like the idea of using custom offensive plays online, but I think its a good idea for the Defense playmaking and all that takes way to long.

[DNMH67]

Custom playbooks would be a great addition. I’d love to see EA allow users to create custom playbooks (no custom plays) and the ability to change player equipment. It would add so much to the game by enabling us to create our own playbooks and actually have the ability to build our own schemes around formations that we prefer. Could you imagine the playbooks that VG Sports would come out with.

[TNT713]

Between Hot Routes and defenisve Playmaker... We already have a form of custom plays online.

Next step is creating the play the way you want it, so you won't have to hot route.

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[smoothballer]

Yo TNT that monsterden site gots some tight formations.

[getyogameup06]

I Disagree, I Hate The Idea Of Having Custom Playbooks Online. I Already Hate The Fact That People Dont Take The Time To Learn The Playbooks That We Have Now. Do U Really Think That Someone Is Going To Take The Time To Run 30 Plays When They Can Run There Fav 10 All Game. Lets Face It, While I Dont Think There Is Any Ultimate Play, I Do Think That Someone Could Develop A Scheme That Will Be Almost Impossible To Stop. I Mean I Still Remember The Tecmo Bowl Days Of Only Having 4 Plays. Im Extremely Greatful That I Have 32 Playbooks With Thousands Of Plays Formation Shifts Etc. I Still Remember Route Pulling From Madden 06. My Offense Was Ridiculous I 06 And I Did Very Little Labing. This Year My Offense If Good But I Put In Alot Of Time To Develop It. I Think Madden Is Perfectly Fine The Way It Is And We Have More Than Enough Plays And Playbooks To Satisfy Everyones Needs.

[smoothballer]

I Disagree, I Hate The Idea Of Having Custom Playbooks Online. I Already Hate The Fact That People Dont Take The Time To Learn The Playbooks That We Have Now. Do U Really Think That Someone Is Going To Take The Time To Run 30 Plays When They Can Run There Fav 10 All Game. Lets Face It, While I Dont Think There Is Any Ultimate Play, I Do Think That Someone Could Develop A Scheme That Will Be Almost Impossible To Stop. I Mean I Still Remember The Tecmo Bowl Days Of Only Having 4 Plays. Im Extremely Greatful That I Have 32 Playbooks With Thousands Of Plays Formation Shifts Etc. I Still Remember Route Pulling From Madden 06. My Offense Was Ridiculous I 06 And I Did Very Little Labing. This Year My Offense If Good But I Put In Alot Of Time To Develop It. I Think Madden Is Perfectly Fine The Way It Is And We Have More Than Enough Plays And Playbooks To Satisfy Everyones Needs.

I'm thinkin the exact opposite. Players would use more formations if there were custom playbooks, thus adding more variety. For example: a lot of players run Tight Flex outa Ten PB. And they might run that one formation the entire game. Why? Maybe cuz that's the only formation they like in that pb. If they were able to use every formation in the game, or create their own, there's a much better chance they would run more then one formation a game, cuz they would have an unlimited amount to choose from.

And Madden is definitely not perfectly fine the way it is. DEFINITELY. There are not enough plays to satisfy MY needs. There are several defenses that I want to run, but against a quick snapper, some of them are impossible to set up, no matter how quick on the sticks I am. I would be A LOT better on defense with custom playbooks.


And also, I tried the infamous "WR's outa bounds play" and it didn't work at all. But besides, if EA were to actually implement this into online play, they would put a whole lot more work into it. It would be much more deep and thoroughly tested, instead of this half-assed create a playbook mode they got right now, which has very very few options.... So it wouldn't be as glitchy as you guys think it would be.

HOWEVA, the defense would have to be improved in order for this to be balanced. Just a few things and I think it would work out:

-remove random blitzing
-dlinemen allowed to be moved
-deep ball like 06
-run game like 06
-bump n run with zone
-shading to determine which side WR beats bump

[Jerzey_Beast]

Madden is glitchy enough as it is...custom playbooks would only add to the problem. I would, however, like to be able to piece together my own playbook from the plays that are already on the game.

[colts1892]

A pb with all my favorite plays from other pb's would be great! I like Indy's passing plays and Denvers running plays. I'd even just like to be able to decide the quick audibles for each formation-- imagine if you could actually put in 4 quick audibles of your choice. Hey if you like 3 run plays and 1 pass play out of a formation then it's your choice. I usually like 3 to 5 plays in a formation and if i'm lucky if I get 1 in the quick audible.

[Packersrule1]

Here's a site with some of the best Madden minds on the net...

Monsterden.net (http://www.maddenuniversity.com/index.php?name=Web_Links&req=visit&lid=36)

Got a question about the AI's ability to handle custom plays, Arkaein is your man.

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Cool site some of those sets are crazy.

[QBStokes4]

online would be a mess because imagine.......

'04 havin to play vs vick with SG Trips TE, SG 5WR, and SG Trips Bunch.

'05 havin to play vs Vick/vikings with SG Trips TE, SG Trips Bunch, SG Tight, SG 5wr Bunch, SB 5wr bunch, SB slot strong, SB tight, i form twin TE.

'06 havin to play vs SB tight doubles, SB Tight flex, SB trips bunch, Weak i tight twins, SG Tight, weak I

just imagine that EVERY year, allll the money plays in all the formations with all the routes


dumb idea, online wouldnt be fun anymore

[Comeback QB]

I say try it for a year and see.

first of all I think they should make sure the defensive AI and the range of animations in the game became much more deep.


The NFL any team will have abosoultly any play at there disposal any given game and is game planed accordingly. Id bet 20-30 plays will be executed during the coares of a game with some adjustments. This number could even be less.

If you can custom your offense you can also custom your defense, in that the playing field is fair.

The only thing that worry's me is abusive players who have none dynamic game play. Not that the play's they run could'nt be stopped rather they are just boring to play because you seen it before.

[TNT713]

There's alot of different types of players...

Most of the players that don't want custom plays are concerned about glitches... The rest are concerned they will no longer be able to compete. Others confuse the difference between the two.

When the community begins to spend less time trying to control everyone else gets focused on learning to APPLY real football concepts to the game, custom plays will be a viable option for online play...

THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN... The community is held together by the idea that everyone understands football. NOT SO.

So... Those that don't want custom plays because it will "destroy online play" are only holding themselves back... Ooops... They are holding us back too.

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