I think I'm done with online play

[Jerzey_Beast]

It seems like every other game I run into a nerd that does some glitchy or fake stuff to beat me! I just played a nerd that dropped all 4 lineman into pass coverage!! If that ain't cheesy I dont know what it is. I'm not an average madden player by any means but the glitchy nerds are ruining the game.

[NastyQueDawg]

Dawg...I BEEN stopped playing online...LOL!!! I only play in Online Franchise Leagues now and I find more challenging strategic games there moreso than just playing any joe blow on line. I also have made some really good partners to play against as well. I run my OWN league under Simsportsnet.com and it is a lot more fun than playing these fly by night kids. Check it out sometime!


It seems like every other game I run into a nerd that does some glitchy or fake stuff to beat me! I just played a nerd that dropped all 4 lineman into pass coverage!! If that ain't cheesy I dont know what it is. I'm not an average madden player by any means but the glitchy nerds are ruining the game.

[ThaL0ngBall]

If you don't wanna play those games just find some guys that don't play cheap and add them to your list. Or get a headset and scare them into not playing cheap :cool:

[Jerzey_Beast]

Dawg...I BEEN stopped playing online...LOL!!! I only play in Online Franchise Leagues now and I find more challenging strategic games there moreso than just playing any joe blow on line. I also have made some really good partners to play against as well. I run my OWN league under Simsportsnet.com and it is a lot more fun than playing these fly by night kids. Check it out sometime!

I sure will check it out....I'm tired of these idiots online doing geeky **** to beat me!

[getyogameup06]

I sure will check it out....I'm tired of these idiots online doing geeky **** to beat me!

lol, R u serious. Online play is where it is at, where else are u going to see someone run that fag defense on u. Instead of complaining about it learn how to beat it. Its the funniest thing in the world for me to play one of these "geeky kids" and smash them 50-7. Unfortunately ur not going to get better playing str8 sim madden ballers. I play str8 but i like to play against the best no matter what style they run.

Ps 2
Getyogmup07

[sideoutshu]

lol, R u serious. Online play is where it is at, where else are u going to see someone run that fag defense on u. Instead of complaining about it learn how to beat it. Its the funniest thing in the world for me to play one of these "geeky kids" and smash them 50-7. Unfortunately ur not going to get better playing str8 sim madden ballers. I play str8 but i like to play against the best no matter what style they run.

Ps 2
Getyogmup07

Definition of "geeky" = Anyone who does something to beat me.

I have kids online telling me that I am cheesy because I run slams and dives all game against the quarter defense they run on every down. Hilarious.

[meadowlands]

Dawg...I BEEN stopped playing online...LOL!!! I only play in Online Franchise Leagues now and I find more challenging strategic games there moreso than just playing any joe blow on line. I also have made some really good partners to play against as well. I run my OWN league under Simsportsnet.com and it is a lot more fun than playing these fly by night kids. Check it out sometime!

Dude, you can't play in online leagues on this game. I have tried to play in tons of different leagues, but the guy who starts out 0-5 always fails to play the rest of his games and that screws up everybody else. I've finally stopped trying to find a good league.

[rank is dumb]

There are only a few real glitch's online!! What it comes down to is, its just a game it having fun is more important that winning!!

I go online and play who ever I get on play now.. Sometimes I win sometimes I lose.. If I get blowed out I just take my loss and play another game.. Trying to learn from that game.. When you come across something you don't like work on a counter to it so the next time you see you will be able to handle it!!

Just don't be one of those losers who pause the game and tell other people that they are scrubs or this is a BS game!! Takes your losses like a true sportsman and take your wins with class!!

[GAV]

There are only a few real glitch's online!! What it comes down to is, its just a game it having fun is more important that winning!!

I go online and play who ever I get on play now.. Sometimes I win sometimes I lose.. If I get blowed out I just take my loss and play another game.. Trying to learn from that game.. When you come across something you don't like work on a counter to it so the next time you see you will be able to handle it!!

Just don't be one of those losers who pause the game and tell other people that they are scrubs or this is a BS game!! Takes your losses like a true sportsman and take your wins with class!!
I second this. You play your game. Let your opponent play his.
If you can't beat him, then you're just not better - period.

We got way too many grown-@$$ men that act like sissies
cause they struggle at a video game. If you lose, you aren't
still better. He's better, nerd or not. Anybody who beats me
is better than me. Straight up, no excuses.

[Tru Blu Devil]

oh wow what geeky bs, putting everyone in coverage. wow that sounds like a crazy glitch.

quit crying and play the game- EA Sports, "it's in the game". it's not a glitch, and its easily countered.

jeez, people complain/whine way too much

[Jerzey_Beast]

It doesnt matter online play is ruined by cheesers period.

[Tru Blu Devil]

PS- what does putting everyone in pass coverage have to do with being a nerd? enlighten me, I just don't see the connection.

[sanket]

Are you retarded? Run the ball if everyone is in coverage.

[DawkinsAllDay]

Its not a glitch or cheesey just deal with it, u should have just ran draws all game....

[Hayduke]

Take it as a compliment that your passing attack is so impressive he has to resort to that tactic.

I'm guessing you like to throw most downs and this was interfering with your idea of a "fun" game. Fair enough, but don't blame your opponents for using a tactic that works. If you are somebody who's stats indicate a real high QB rating, but with low rushing yards, I'm not surprised that someone would try this on you.

[bmoreballer]

I'm know where near a great Madden player I don't lose much but i know i need to work on a lot of things. I see something new almost every time a play another game online. And i luv when i see some of the crazy schemes people come up with. See i call it schemes not glitches or anything like that. If i can see what there doing then make some changes to pull out a win great if i cant at least next time i see it Ill be ready. Plus I've never played somebody offline and they did something that was new to me that's why i luv online play so much

PS2=BmoreBa11er

[CapnKill]

I think the only real problem here is that you have 300 LBs guy sthat you can drop into coverage every other play but they don't get very tired. So .. fatigue is not accurately reflected is the real problem.

[Daltex]

I agree that there are too many crybaby's playing online. However; My complaint is how does someone quit a game in progress when they are losing and you end up getting a loss, and them a win? I have about 30losses from crap like that. Or they disconnect when they are losing and they get the win? I wish someone could explain that to me. I am 51 years old, and have been playing since pong and intellivision - if I get beat,
by someone better at the game - hey that's life, but I don't stop the game after a good play or score on their
part and text what a scrub or BS play it was.

[NastyQueDawg]

Jersey Beast....get at me on AIM. I don't have any openings right now, but I can guarantee you that you would LOVE playing in MY league. As far as Grown a$$ men whining and crying....yeah..ok..I'm 44 and I STILL play Madden. But I'll be Gat Damn if I WASTE my time playing against snot nosed lil bums who find ways of MANIPULATING Computer Programming just to get a WIN on the BEST Video Game of ALL Video games for SIMULATION PLAY of the NFL. Hell, Madden is even known to be used by Hundreds of NFL Players to learn plays. But MY Thing is....I like to play the game because of the Strategy of play calling and executing. Not using "glitches" in the programming to win at all costs. Some like to play CHESS...I like to play MADDEN. But those who think I'm whining and crying..I tell you what. Give me 75% of the so called "online ballers" out on the REAL FIELD and see if they can read a Cover 1, 2, 3 or 4 for that matter. See if they can read a blitz, without using AI manipulation as the easy way out, instead of reading the blitz and attacking it where it comes from. I in no way claim to be the Best at playing Madden. But I for one like to see the game played FAIRLY.

[mm622449]

Ive found that the people who cry about "bums" and "glitchers" are just bad madden players. They are usually either adults who dont have time to log that many games, or eight year olds who are too dumb to learn mechanics.

Ill tell you right now, cheese defense is stoppable. If I had to guess on why hes smoking you with nerd defense, I would say its probably because you find yourself in 2nd and 15, 3rd and 15. DONT DO THAT. If hes in nerd defense run god damn ball. Anyone who consistently finds themselves in 3rd and long WILL NOT be successul, just like in the NFL.

Ill be the first to admit, I play nerd defense. I just get too pissed off when my opponnent runs some glitchy *** looking sideline route on 3rd and 25 and converts it. But when im playing a good opponent he makes me respect his 1 and 2 holes so that he makes me think twice about it. Its much harder to play nerd defense on 3rd and 4 when he could pound it up the 1hole for 8yards a gain.

[KingStyle]

I remember that put everyone into zone deal. Even if you run on them they still engage the O line and dont drop back into coverage. As soon as you pass though you have to deal with 11 guys all over the field. I tried to hit the flats a lot until they stopped.

[CapnKill]

I remember that put everyone into zone deal. Even if you run on them they still engage the O line and dont drop back into coverage. As soon as you pass though you have to deal with 11 guys all over the field. I tried to hit the flats a lot until they stopped.

Draw or a screen would get you 5 yards easy usualy.

[mm622449]

If you cant run through the 1 hole for 3-5 yards against that defense consistently you should re-evaluate playing madden, period. Or your running tactics at least.

[KingStyle]

Draw or a screen would get you 5 yards easy usualy.

yeah, I havent ran against them this year, however I cannot get screens to work at all on my team. My friends run them like 5 times a game though.

[mm622449]

yeah, I havent ran against them this year, however I cannot get screens to work at all on my team. My friends run them like 5 times a game though.


I like doing them with a mobile QB. Run a screen to the right, roll out to the left, as soon as you draw over the pash rushers, fire the ball to your screener. Not too late tho or you could get a fumble or throw a pick if your not careful.

[GAV]

Jersey Beast....get at me on AIM. I don't have any openings right now, but I can guarantee you that you would LOVE playing in MY league. As far as Grown a$$ men whining and crying....yeah..ok..I'm 44 and I STILL play Madden. But I'll be Gat Damn if I WASTE my time playing against snot nosed lil bums who find ways of MANIPULATING Computer Programming just to get a WIN on the BEST Video Game of ALL Video games for SIMULATION PLAY of the NFL. Hell, Madden is even known to be used by Hundreds of NFL Players to learn plays. But MY Thing is....I like to play the game because of the Strategy of play calling and executing. Not using "glitches" in the programming to win at all costs. Some like to play CHESS...I like to play MADDEN. But those who think I'm whining and crying..I tell you what. Give me 75% of the so called "online ballers" out on the REAL FIELD and see if they can read a Cover 1, 2, 3 or 4 for that matter. See if they can read a blitz, without using AI manipulation as the easy way out, instead of reading the blitz and attacking it where it comes from. I in no way claim to be the Best at playing Madden. But I for one like to see the game played FAIRLY.
If they win and you lose, then they're better than you. Stop sugar-coating it.
You can hide in your league, but I choose not to. If there's a tactic I can't
beat, then I want more cracks at it.

[GAV]

Ive found that the people who cry about "bums" and "glitchers" are just bad madden players. They are usually either adults who dont have time to log that many games, or eight year olds who are too dumb to learn mechanics.

Ill tell you right now, cheese defense is stoppable. If I had to guess on why hes smoking you with nerd defense, I would say its probably because you find yourself in 2nd and 15, 3rd and 15. DONT DO THAT. If hes in nerd defense run god damn ball. Anyone who consistently finds themselves in 3rd and long WILL NOT be successul, just like in the NFL.

Ill be the first to admit, I play nerd defense. I just get too pissed off when my opponnent runs some glitchy *** looking sideline route on 3rd and 25 and converts it. But when im playing a good opponent he makes me respect his 1 and 2 holes so that he makes me think twice about it. Its much harder to play nerd defense on 3rd and 4 when he could pound it up the 1hole for 8yards a gain.
Mades is unassuming, but can hang with anybody.
Talk and do aren't opposites, but they generally
walk in opposite directions.

[GAV]

When you are playing Madden, you are not playing real football.
You are playing a video game.

Football isn't fair. Life isn't fair either.

[blondetom]

Jersey Beast....get at me on AIM. I don't have any openings right now, but I can guarantee you that you would LOVE playing in MY league. As far as Grown a$$ men whining and crying....yeah..ok..I'm 44 and I STILL play Madden. But I'll be Gat Damn if I WASTE my time playing against snot nosed lil bums who find ways of MANIPULATING Computer Programming just to get a WIN on the BEST Video Game of ALL Video games for SIMULATION PLAY of the NFL. Hell, Madden is even known to be used by Hundreds of NFL Players to learn plays. But MY Thing is....I like to play the game because of the Strategy of play calling and executing. Not using "glitches" in the programming to win at all costs. Some like to play CHESS...I like to play MADDEN. But those who think I'm whining and crying..I tell you what. Give me 75% of the so called "online ballers" out on the REAL FIELD and see if they can read a Cover 1, 2, 3 or 4 for that matter. See if they can read a blitz, without using AI manipulation as the easy way out, instead of reading the blitz and attacking it where it comes from. I in no way claim to be the Best at playing Madden. But I for one like to see the game played FAIRLY.

I second this 100%. You all can't tell me that you don't get pi$$ed when a little bum kid "freezes" screen to screw your offense. Now come on.

[GAV]

I second this 100%. You all can't tell me that you don't get pi$$ed when a little bum kid "freezes" screen to screw your offense. Now come on.
Freezing the screen is different then pumpfaking, throwin
the quick fade, or running 11 man coverages. There's no
counter for it. I can understand your frustration at the
game being intentionally lagged. Hell, if I gave a crap
about my online record - it might annoy me too. Good
thing its of as much importance to me as the price of
gumballs in China.

[NastyQueDawg]

[QUOTE=GAV]When you are playing Madden, you are not playing real football.
You are playing a video game.

No CHIT...Sherlock....and so what if someone is BETTER Than me in Playing MADDEN. I don't give a freak WHO YOU ARE...it's just like SEX. There is ALWAYS Someone better than you in that arena too....so your point? I mean really....so what you telling ME is...the PROGRAMMERS who made the video game or any video games go through all the trouble of making the video game experience an enjoyable one, but include cheese, and glitches for those who don't care to play the game the way the GAME is SUPPOSED to be played? Gimme a break! AGAIN...I just like a FAIR game of play. So what if the opponent knows a way of manipulating the AI of the game to do some "trick" play? You mean to tell me that HE'S better than ME because he had the opportunity to sit in front of a TV Screen for hours upon hours to find a glitch in order to gain an advantage on me? LOL!! Whateva man....U can sit there with your chest all poked out like you are immortal to all Madden Ballers, but I see right through you. I know you've had some experiences that made you sit there absolutely PISSED with some of the stuff done to win at all cost. So U can sit there and say I can hide behind my league all you want, but I play for enjoyment and simulation. What I would like to know is...if you playing these guys...and you play them ONCE in your lifetime and lose to them off some off the wall chit....how the hell can you FIND a way to beat out what was done to you? 9 times out of 10 you won't even play that person again, cause most of them like to win at all cost and chalk you up as a notch on their belt....and THEN what? LOL!!!

[GAV]

[QUOTE=GAV]When you are playing Madden, you are not playing real football.
You are playing a video game.

No CHIT...Sherlock....and so what if someone is BETTER Than me in Playing MADDEN. I don't give a freak WHO YOU ARE...it's just like SEX. There is ALWAYS Someone better than you in that arena too....so your point? I mean really....so what you telling ME is...the PROGRAMMERS who made the video game or any video games go through all the trouble of making the video game experience an enjoyable one, but include cheese, and glitches for those who don't care to play the game the way the GAME is SUPPOSED to be played? Gimme a break! AGAIN...I just like a FAIR game of play. So what if the opponent knows a way of manipulating the AI of the game to do some "trick" play? You mean to tell me that HE'S better than ME because he had the opportunity to sit in front of a TV Screen for hours upon hours to find a glitch in order to gain an advantage on me? LOL!! Whateva man....U can sit there with your chest all poked out like you are immortal to all Madden Ballers, but I see right through you. I know you've had some experiences that made you sit there absolutely PISSED with some of the stuff done to win at all cost. So U can sit there and say I can hide behind my league all you want, but I play for enjoyment and simulation. What I would like to know is...if you playing these guys...and you play them ONCE in your lifetime and lose to them off some off the wall chit....how the hell can you FIND a way to beat out what was done to you? 9 times out of 10 you won't even play that person again, cause most of them like to win at all cost and chalk you up as a notch on their belt....and THEN what? LOL!!!
So, now Madden is just like sex? To each his own I guess. :p

Cheese is relative to who. Some people think running clock is cheese. Other think
quick passing is cheese. Others still think playing too much is cheese. I don't call
anything cheese. I work to turn everything to my advantage, and if I can't
- its not my opponents fault. Its mine. The only expectation I have of my
opponent is that he do everything he can to win. I would see anything less as
a slight.

...and yeah, if he wins on some "BS" - then he is better than you, at least for the
time being. ;)

[xX SNAKE Xx]

100 years from now it wont even matter, relax it's gona be alright.

[franklinismint]

i just got 360.. ive been playin madden since the 1st one came out. the 360 madden imo is terrible..it just doesnt feel right..so much is missing.. i wish i never got rid of my regular xbox..i dont know wat to do.. i hate it.. they better change it next year

[mm622449]

[QUOTE=GAV]When you are playing Madden, you are not playing real football.
You are playing a video game.

No CHIT...Sherlock....and so what if someone is BETTER Than me in Playing MADDEN. I don't give a freak WHO YOU ARE...it's just like SEX. There is ALWAYS Someone better than you in that arena too....so your point? I mean really....so what you telling ME is...the PROGRAMMERS who made the video game or any video games go through all the trouble of making the video game experience an enjoyable one, but include cheese, and glitches for those who don't care to play the game the way the GAME is SUPPOSED to be played? Gimme a break! AGAIN...I just like a FAIR game of play. So what if the opponent knows a way of manipulating the AI of the game to do some "trick" play? You mean to tell me that HE'S better than ME because he had the opportunity to sit in front of a TV Screen for hours upon hours to find a glitch in order to gain an advantage on me? LOL!! Whateva man....U can sit there with your chest all poked out like you are immortal to all Madden Ballers, but I see right through you. I know you've had some experiences that made you sit there absolutely PISSED with some of the stuff done to win at all cost. So U can sit there and say I can hide behind my league all you want, but I play for enjoyment and simulation. What I would like to know is...if you playing these guys...and you play them ONCE in your lifetime and lose to them off some off the wall chit....how the hell can you FIND a way to beat out what was done to you? 9 times out of 10 you won't even play that person again, cause most of them like to win at all cost and chalk you up as a notch on their belt....and THEN what? LOL!!!


GAV, dont even try and argue with this bum. He's an idiot.

All he needs to know is that its in the game, he can do it too, and hes just angry because he doesn't know how to stop it. Why doesn't he know how to stop it? Because hes bad at Madden. Instead of crying about it, go into practice mode and figure out how to stop it.

You think people in the NFL were crying cheeze when the Vikings offensive coordinator was reading defenses for Randall Cunningham into his helmet earpiece, so he could scramble around and throw a laser downfield to Randy Moss? No they were figuring out how to stop it.

[Titans 4 LIFE]

The reason you dont see these things, such as 11 men in coverage, in the nfl is because the coaches actually KNOW ABOUT FOOTBALL, and would destroy this type of coverage. They would wait untill all the DL dropped back into zone then give it to the RB or QB to run with it, like a draw play or HB screen in madden, or they would just go deep, the qb has all day to set up the perfect deep throw. People who say cheese lack the football knowledge to look for simple REAL football strategies in madden to adjust to certain tactics that may take longer to figure out how to beat. They decide to quit and hide and not admit they are not good enough to find a solution to what their opponent is doing.

[miracle]

yah... if he wants to drop 4 DL in coverage.. your eyes should light up... run with your qb for 5 yards and slide...

[NastyQueDawg]

Idiot? LOL!! Man u missing my whole point! But what else am I to expect from Narrow Minded lil whimps like you. Just because it's in the game from the PROGRAMMING FLAWS aspect doesn't make it "IN THE GAME" Dope addict. I'm more than positive when they came up with THAT slogan it was with intention of meaning if it's IN the GAME OF FOOTBALL....it's in the GAME OF MADDEN...and I'm more than positive it wasn't speaking of CHEESE or GLITCHES in the game itself. I'm not angry at all about not being able to stop BULLSHYT. To each it's own in that but that doesn't mean I have to participate in that kind of play. I'm not bad at MADDEN...but I AM BAD at COMBATING AI Manipulation. Who in their RIGHT MIND want to spend time in labbing trying to figure out how to combat jiggling of cords to cause lag when YOU are on offense, or running no huddle damn near all game, or zigzagging WR to try and get seperation from DB's....(unrealistic BS). If the game of MADDEN was meant for that then why not just play NFL Blitz or some BS Like that? Maybe YOU would enjoy that kind of game....very arcadic. I LAB to find plays to combat plays I face. I play from the STRATEGIC aspect of playing football, not some arcadic way of playing to win. Football is about X's and O's. Stategy, Play calling,etc. Maybe once you gain some maturity and knowledge of the REAL game of Football, THEN you will be better suited to understand where I'm coming from. And what does Randall Cunningham and THIS topic has to do with each other? I mean...hey...theres another game for THAT too....called NFL HEAD COACH. So stop making assinine comments if they have no validity to it. Who cares about helmet play calling? It's done by a many of coaches and still is being used by some coaches. That's not glitching, that's using ingenuity to combat the noise element of the game. SO what are YOU goin to do? Instead of turning down the volume on your TV set, u goin to don a headset? Man you guys kill me! LOL!!!

[NastyQueDawg]

The reason you dont see these things, such as 11 men in coverage, in the nfl is because the coaches actually KNOW ABOUT FOOTBALL, and would destroy this type of coverage. They would wait untill all the DL dropped back into zone then give it to the RB or QB to run with it, like a draw play or HB screen in madden, or they would just go deep, the qb has all day to set up the perfect deep throw. People who say cheese lack the football knowledge to look for simple REAL football strategies in madden to adjust to certain tactics that may take longer to figure out how to beat. They decide to quit and hide and not admit they are not good enough to find a solution to what their opponent is doing.

OK...Titans...in THIS example I can agree with you. But to say that I am hiding or not trying to figure out how to beat a play like that is totally unfair. A lot of you are missing MY POINT. I'm an OLDER player....44 yrs old to be exact. Where as a lot of you YOUNGER guys get your rocks off by doing plays like that, that is not my forte. I like to play the game from the standpoint of SIMULATION. If you were to check out MY ONLINE LEAGUE, it's called NSFFL. National SIMULATION Franchise Football League. And it is 32 owners solid right now. No one wants out because we all LOVE to play the game from the aspect of SIMULATION. It's based on just as if you were WATCHING a game on a SUNDAY. Anything you see on there.....we allow it in our league. ANYTHING that you don't see on a NFL Sunday, or Monday for that matter, we don't allow it. (Ex. U would NEVER see all 4 DLinemen DROP into Coverage on a NFL Game!) SO tell me why WE have to be knocked for not wanting to play the game like that? Why we have to be called bums, and idiots? To each its own...but at least WE can get the pleasure of enjoying it from the strategic aspect of the way the game IS played.

[Titans 4 LIFE]

OK...Titans...in THIS example I can agree with you. But to say that I am hiding or not trying to figure out how to beat a play like that is totally unfair. A lot of you are missing MY POINT. I'm an OLDER player....44 yrs old to be exact. Where as a lot of you YOUNGER guys get your rocks off by doing plays like that, that's is not my forte. I like to play the game from the standpoint of SIMULATION. If you were to check out MY ONLINE LEAGUE, it's called NSFFL. National SIMULATION Franchise Football League. And it is 32 owners solid right now. No one wants out because we all LOVE to play the game from the aspect of SIMULATION. It's based on just as if you were WATCHING a game on a SUNDAY. Anything you see on there.....we allow it in our league. ANYTHING that you don't see on a NFL Sunday, or Monday for that matter, we don't allow it. (Ex. U would NEVER see all 4 DLinemen DROP into Coverage) SO tell me why WE have to be knocked for wanting to play the game like that? Why we have to be called bums, and idiots? To each its own...but at least WE can get the pleasure of enjoying it from the strategy aspect of the way the game IS played.
Im totally fine with "str8" players, just dont act like your style of play is better then ours and call the way we play "cheesy".

[GAV]

Idiot? LOL!! Man u missing my whole point! But what else am I to expect from Narrow Minded lil whimps like you. Just because it's in the game from the PROGRAMMING FLAWS aspect doesn't make it "IN THE GAME" Dope addict. I'm more than positive when they came up with THAT slogan it was with intention of meaning if it's IN the GAME OF FOOTBALL....it's in the GAME OF MADDEN...and I'm more than positive it wasn't speaking of CHEESE or GLITCHES in the game itself. I'm not angry at all about not being able to stop BULLSHYT. To each it's own in that but that doesn't mean I have to participate in that kind of play. I'm not bad at MADDEN...but I AM BAD at COMBATING AI Manipulation. Who in their RIGHT MIND want to spend time in labbing trying to figure out how to combat jiggling of cords to cause lag when YOU are on offense, or running no huddle damn near all game, or zigzagging WR to try and get seperation from DB's....(unrealistic BS). If the game of MADDEN was meant for that then why not just play NFL Blitz or some BS Like that? Maybe YOU would enjoy that kind of game....very arcadic. I LAB to find plays to combat plays I face. I play from the STRATEGIC aspect of playing football, not some arcadic way of playing to win. Football is about X's and O's. Stategy, Play calling,etc. Maybe once you gain some maturity and knowledge of the REAL game of Football, THEN you will be better suited to understand where I'm coming from. And what does Randall Cunningham and THIS topic has to do with each other? I mean...hey...theres another game for THAT too....called NFL HEAD COACH. So stop making assinine comments if they have no validity to it. Who cares about helmet play calling? It's done by a many of coaches and still is being used by some coaches. That's not glitching, that's using ingenuity to combat the noise element of the game. SO what are YOU goin to do? Instead of turning down the volume on your TV set, u goin to don a headset? Man you guys kill me! LOL!!!
These are all just excuses dawg, no matter how you want to spin it.
Everything is combatible. If you are bad at combatting certain tactics
then your game has a large weakness in it. Rather than calling it cheese
or glitches - work through it. You'll be better for it. You ego isn't allowing
you to see clearly. If you lose to an opponent, and can't stop or counter
certain aspects of his game - then he is better than you. If you can let go of
your ego long enough to work through the steps it takes to learn how to attack
certain schemes and plans of attack - then you'll find success. If not, you'll
be left an unhappy mess and have an over-inflated idealistic image of your
skill level - rather than the truth. That ideal image will keep you from improving
- and your game will remain stagnant.

[NastyQueDawg]

Im totally fine with "str8" players, just dont act like your style of play is better then ours and call the way we play "cheesy".

I never said it WAS better...I was defending the way STR8 Players period. I STILL Say Cheese is just that....CHEESE. Play the game it was MEANT to be played.

[Hayduke]

Alright, I know the well of frustration that Nasty is trying to convey here. He is like most Madden players, in that he sits down every few days or so for a nice game, then faces some guy/kid with some unbelievably weird off-the-wall strategy he was not prepared for and did not expect. Being a regular citizen contributing to society (hopefully), he does not have hours upon hours to "practice" the game, preferring to spend time in front of the screen playing instead. Understandable.

But you have to realize there are players who do spend an inordinate amount of time perfecting their strategies, scoping out the limits of the AI and exploiting it. That is their right, and it is also everyone's right to spend similar hours finding countermeasures. Since you are not willing to devote this amount of time to the game (me neither), just accept that you are not one of these guys and look for players with stats similar to yours, and just sit back and play a nice competitive game.

I gave up a long time ago trying to be a "great" player when I realized what I would have to sacrifice from my life to do it. I just play Madden for the competitive jolt it gives me, so I rarely play the top elite players unless I'm feeling particularly plucky.

[Titans 4 LIFE]

Alright, I know the well of frustration that Nasty is trying to convey here. He is like most Madden players, in that he sits down every few days or so for a nice game, then faces some guy/kid with some unbelievably weird off-the-wall strategy he was not prepared for and did not expect. Being a regular citizen contributing to society (hopefully), he does not have hours upon hours to "practice" the game, preferring to spend time in front of the screen playing instead. Understandable.

But you have to realize there are players who do spend an inordinate amount of time perfecting their strategies, scoping out the limits of the AI and exploiting it. That is their right, and it is also everyone's right to spend similar hours finding countermeasures. Since you are not willing to devote this amount of time to the game (me neither), just accept that you are not one of these guys and look for players with stats similar to yours, and just sit back and play a nice competitive game.

I gave up a long time ago trying to be a "great" player when I realized what I would have to sacrifice from my life to do it. I just play Madden for the competitive jolt it gives me, so I rarely play the top elite players unless I'm feeling particularly plucky.
It really doesnt take a lot of time to get good at madden. i never go to practice mode and only play a couple of games a week(except during the summer) and still do decent in tournies and MCs and have beaten a few "top ballers". The way to be good if your playing online is being able to adjust quickly, it shouldnt take you endless hours of lab time to stop a "unbelievably weird off-the-wall strategy" as you call it, you should be able think logically and find the way to stop it in 1 or 2 plays. If thats not what you are doing then your just limiting yourself but I guess thats how some people like to play the game.

[NastyQueDawg]

These are all just excuses dawg, no matter how you want to spin it.
Everything is combatible. If you are bad at combatting certain tactics
then your game has a large weakness in it. Rather than calling it cheese
or glitches - work through it. You'll be better for it. You ego isn't allowing
you to see clearly. If you lose to an opponent, and can't stop or counter
certain aspects of his game - then he is better than you. If you can let go of
your ego long enough to work through the steps it takes to learn how to attack
certain schemes and plans of attack - then you'll find success. If not, you'll
be left an unhappy mess and have an over-inflated idealistic image of your
skill level - rather than the truth. That ideal image will keep you from improving
- and your game will remain stagnant.

WOW...I mean...all you saying makes a lot of sense. In all actuality you are saying exactly what point I'm trying to get across. All except the "GLITCHING" part. Who wants to spend time finding out a way to combat CHEESING and GLITCHING? When coaches see a PLAY that causes concerns for their defense...they stratergize by coming up with a scheme OR evening out mismatches. Please tell ME...what kind of adjustments are made for CHEATING? What coach in his right mind are going to buck the Rules and Regulations of the game and risk being penalized? NONE. That's my POINT. You are defending something that is bullshyt and you know it! My ego has nothing to do with this at all. I KNOW I'm not BETTER than majority of ballers throughout the nation, but do I give a rat's azz? Hell NO! It seems to me like you all do though. I just want to enjoy the game the way it is SHOULD be played. Period. Attacking schemes and combating plays I totally agree with what you saying. But Schemes do not include running no huddle non stop all the way up and down the field the WHOLE game...or jiggling the cord to cause u to miss a FG! I know u see my point...but I think you all like to argue for the sake of arguing.

[Titans 4 LIFE]

WOW...I mean...all you saying makes a lot of sense. In all actuality you are saying exactly what point I'm trying to get across. All except the "GLITCHING" part. Who wants to spend time finding out a way to combat CHEESING and GLITCHING? When coaches see a PLAY that causes concerns for their defense...they stratergize by coming up with a scheme OR evening out mismatches. Please tell ME...what those kind of adjustments are made for CHEATING? NONE. That's my POINT. You are defending something that is bullshyt and you know it! My ego has nothing to do with this at all. I KNOW I'm not BETTER than majority of ballers throughout the nation, but do I give a rat's azz? Hell NO! It seems to me like you all do though. I just want to enjoy the game the way it is SHOULD be played. Period. Attacking schemes and combating plays I totally agree with what you saying. But Schemes do not include running no huddle non stop all the way up and down the field the WHOLE game...or jiggling the cord to cause u to miss a FG! I know u see my point...but I think you all like to argue for the sake of arguing.
Cord jiggling is stupid and cheating yes, but whats wrong with no huddle? both sides get affected by fatigue and if you take the time to set your audibles you have 28 or so different plays you can choose from plus your playmaker defense even if they go no huddle. str8 gamers spend more time worrying if something their opponents do is cheese or not than actually trying to adjust and stop it. I know that im obviously not gonna change your mind but its just my opinion that its stupid to limit yourself and to limit your opponent and your not gonna get better that way, and I dont know if its just me or not but I could never have fun if I knew my opponent wasnt doing everything he could do to win because he thought it might be cheesy.

[NastyQueDawg]

Alright, I know the well of frustration that Nasty is trying to convey here. He is like most Madden players, in that he sits down every few days or so for a nice game, then faces some guy/kid with some unbelievably weird off-the-wall strategy he was not prepared for and did not expect. Being a regular citizen contributing to society (hopefully), he does not have hours upon hours to "practice" the game, preferring to spend time in front of the screen playing instead. Understandable.

But you have to realize there are players who do spend an inordinate amount of time perfecting their strategies, scoping out the limits of the AI and exploiting it. That is their right, and it is also everyone's right to spend similar hours finding countermeasures. Since you are not willing to devote this amount of time to the game (me neither), just accept that you are not one of these guys and look for players with stats similar to yours, and just sit back and play a nice competitive game.

I gave up a long time ago trying to be a "great" player when I realized what I would have to sacrifice from my life to do it. I just play Madden for the competitive jolt it gives me, so I rarely play the top elite players unless I'm feeling particularly plucky.

Hayduke...U see my point, and I do see yours. You are absolutely right...there are goin to be a many of youngins with that kind of time to look for flaws in the programming to gain an advantage of a citizen like me who won't get the time to play the game as much. I am a 44 yr old, African American male, with a 3 and 10 yr old son, and wife. I work for one of the top architectural firms in the nation HDR, Architects, Inc. as a Architectural CADD Technician so with all that being said I am not able to spend an inordinate amount of time in front of the TV on the "stix." All I'm saying is the kind of play being defended here cannot be looked upon as what the game of Madden was intended to be played like that. Need I round up the programmers of EA Sports and get them to tell you all this? They Tried although didn't totally succeed with the cheating going on with quitting games online to try to dodge getting losses on their records online. So can you truly sit here and tell me that they wanted glitching to be a part of their PRODUCT?

[NastyQueDawg]

Cord jiggling is stupid and cheating yes, but whats wrong with no huddle? both sides get affected by fatigue and if you take the time to set your audibles you have 28 or so different plays you can choose from plus your playmaker defense even if they go no huddle. str8 gamers spend more time worrying if something their opponents do is cheese or not than actually trying to adjust and stop it. I know that im obviously not gonna change your mind but its just my opinion that its stupid to limit yourself and to limit your opponent and your not gonna get better that way, and I dont know if its just me or not but I could never have fun if I knew my opponent wasnt doing everything he could do to win because he thought it might be cheesy.

AGAIN...U missing my point. SIMULATION...SIMULATION...SIMULATION....There are those of US who like to play the game the way it IS played. It IS what it IS....Tell me where you saw a team do No Huddle the WHOLE GAME? I know I can call a Time Out and set up a few audibles or even quick audible on the fly. But Who wants to play that way? THE WHOLE GAME? Come on dude...gimme a break!

[Titans 4 LIFE]

AGAIN...U missing my point. SIMULATION...SIMULATION...SIMULATION....There are those of US who like to play the game the way it IS played. It IS what it IS....Tell me where you saw a team do No Huddle the WHOLE GAME? I know I can call a Time Out and set up a few audibles or even quick audible on the fly. But Who wants to play that way? THE WHOLE GAME? Come on dude...gimme a break!
I guess Ill quote you and say play the game the way it IS played, as a game. no huddle is in the game, so it will be used. str8 gamers choose to HIDE behind there rules and NOT play the game for what it is.

[NastyQueDawg]

I guess Ill quote you and say play the game the way it IS played, as a game. no huddle is in the game, so it will be used. str8 gamers choose to HIDE behind there rules and NOT play the game for what it is.

Again...u MISSED MY POINT! You continue to take what I'm saying out of context! I'm saying PLAY The GAME OF FOOTBALL the way the game of FOOTBALL is intended to be PLAYED...whether sandlot...or in this video game. Play some other video game if you not going to play Madden the way the game of FOOTBALL is supposed to be played. Yeah..NO HUDDLE is IN THE GAME...but it's IN THE GAME FOR A REASON...and not to be MISUSED AND ABUSED! But you know what? You Win! I'm not about to keep arguing this with Brick walls for brains. Peace...

[sideoutshu]

Hey Nasty, can you give us a link to your SIM league so we can check it out?

[rank is dumb]

The reason you dont see these things, such as 11 men in coverage, in the nfl is because the coaches actually KNOW ABOUT FOOTBALL, and would destroy this type of coverage. They would wait untill all the DL dropped back into zone then give it to the RB or QB to run with it, like a draw play or HB screen in madden, or they would just go deep, the qb has all day to set up the perfect deep throw. People who say cheese lack the football knowledge to look for simple REAL football strategies in madden to adjust to certain tactics that may take longer to figure out how to beat. They decide to quit and hide and not admit they are not good enough to find a solution to what their opponent is doing.

I am gussing you did not watch the Pats durring there 3 out of 4 run.. On several occasions Good old BB dropped everyone including his two DL into coverage... He did it first against the Phinz durring the regualr season and then used it against Peyton in the playoffs.. Now he did not use it every down but he did use it, and it was on National TV for everyone to see!! :D

[sideoutshu]

I am gussing you did not watch the Pats durring there 3 out of 4 run.. On several occasions Good old BB dropped everyone including his two DL into coverage... He did it first against the Phinz durring the regualr season and then used it against Peyton in the playoffs.. Now he did not use it every down but he did use it, and it was on National TV for everyone to see!! :D
thats not true.

[rank is dumb]

thats not true.

Yes yes it is my son!! Bill Belicheck was running 1 and 2 down linemen sets vs the Phinz durring there second regular season meeting.. He then ran the same def where the DL did not drop into coverge per say but did drop back 5 yards in a prevent type spy def with no rushers!!

[Titans 4 LIFE]

Yes yes it is my son!! Bill Belicheck was running 1 and 2 down linemen sets vs the Phinz durring there second regular season meeting.. He then ran the same def where the DL did not drop into coverge per say but did drop back 5 yards in a prevent type spy def with no rushers!!
Yea he also puts LBs in at DL a lot to get a better pass rush. Hes so cheesy he should play the game for what it is.

[sideoutshu]

Yes yes it is my son!! Bill Belicheck was running 1 and 2 down linemen sets vs the Phinz durring there second regular season meeting.. He then ran the same def where the DL did not drop into coverge per say but did drop back 5 yards in a prevent type spy def with no rushers!!
I don't care how many exclamation points you use. There was never a game where all 11 guys were in coverage without a threat of pass rush.

PS: I believe the phrase you are looking for "per se".

[rank is dumb]

Yea he also puts LBs in at DL a lot to get a better pass rush. Hes so cheesy he should play the game for what it is.

I know he has an XXXXXX rep on Madden for knowing how to play the game!! :D

[rank is dumb]

I don't care how many exclamation points you use. There was never a game where all 11 guys were in coverage without a threat of pass rush.

PS: I believe the phrase you are looking for "per se".

Ok your right!! I did not see that happen!! It was all a dream.. Just like those 3 super bowl wins!! ;)

[Jerzey_Beast]

Take it as a compliment that your passing attack is so impressive he has to resort to that tactic.

I'm guessing you like to throw most downs and this was interfering with your idea of a "fun" game. Fair enough, but don't blame your opponents for using a tactic that works. If you are somebody who's stats indicate a real high QB rating, but with low rushing yards, I'm not surprised that someone would try this on you.

This is the most intelligent thing anyone has said in this forum. First off, dropping 4 defensive lineman in pass coverage isn't realistic. I guess I'll run some draw plays next a geek wants to play like that. If I want cheese I'll go to the fridge!!

[ICreate]

It seems like every other game I run into a nerd that does some glitchy or fake stuff to beat me! I just played a nerd that dropped all 4 lineman into pass coverage!! If that ain't cheesy I dont know what it is. I'm not an average madden player by any means but the glitchy nerds are ruining the game.

I hate it too, but you have to deal with it. For every glitch I've encountered, I've also found a counter to it. I like seeing everything the game has to offer. If a cheeser is who I'm playing, there is no better feeling than shutting his cheese down and defeating him. If you want ways to counter all coverage, I can help you as well as many other members here.

[JoeJGibbs]

I think the funny thing with this conversation is: lol there's a guy who doesn't like a certain style of play so he chooses not to play in the arena where that style is found.

Then you have other people who are bashing him for doing so, and voicing his opinion on that style of play (11 men coverages)

All on an internet forum no less. If he doesn't like the style of play, what's the big deal. If he thinks its "cheese" what is the big deal. Its the internet, if he wanted to say that pizza is better than cheeseburgers-- so what.

All the name callin' is lame.
I think Gav said it best, play your game and let your opponent play his game.
And if NastyQ doesn't like that style of play and doesn't want to deal with it -- so be it.

and
Vice versa, if someone wants to use it -- so be it.

Some people enjoy madden for its sim aspects. Some people enjoy madden for its arcade aspects. Some like the game for both.

[Flaw]

Take this for what you will Nasty...I used to constantly be praised in leagues for my str8 play, when all my games were either losses or close wins. Now that I'm better at the game, and my schemes and strategies have become less vanilla, and I kick people's arses sometimes, I get complaints that I play cheesy. And the complaints are just hilarious sometimes. Most of the time, I'm not even doing what I'm accused of. People get so angry that it clouds their thought.

I used to sound like you bro, but I just got tired of complaining all the time, so I sucked it up and started playing with an open mind. And guess what? I got a lot better at the game. People come at me with wacky sh*t and I just use good strategy to beat them. I don't care how the other guy plays, I'm going to play with an NFL mentality.

NFL mentality = competitive, never yielding, always focused, aggressive, and mentally strong <----start playing like that and your games WILL look like NFL games...or just an NFL team wiping the floor with some wacky, one-trick pony team.

[GAV]

I think the funny thing with this conversation is: lol there's a guy who doesn't like a certain style of play so he chooses not to play in the arena where that style is found.

Then you have other people who are bashing him for doing so, and voicing his opinion on that style of play (11 men coverages)

All on an internet forum no less. If he doesn't like the style of play, what's the big deal. If he thinks its "cheese" what is the big deal. Its the internet, if he wanted to say that pizza is better than cheeseburgers-- so what.

All the name callin' is lame.
I think Gav said it best, play your game and let your opponent play his game.
And if NastyQ doesn't like that style of play and doesn't want to deal with it -- so be it.

and
Vice versa, if someone wants to use it -- so be it.

Some people enjoy madden for its sim aspects. Some people enjoy madden for its arcade aspects. Some like the game for both.
My argument is that players shouldn't look down their noses at playstyles
that don't match their own. My other argument is that if someone beats you
using "nerdy, cheesy tactics", then - for the time being - they are better than
you. Its the idea that an asterisk exists that keeps "sim" minded players
thinking that they are better because their style is sooo much better
than that of a tourney style player. If they can't beat them, then they
aren't better - period. There is no asterisk.

Take this for what you will Nasty...I used to constantly be praised in leagues for my str8 play, when all my games were either losses or close wins. Now that I'm better at the game, and my schemes and strategies have become less vanilla, and I kick people's arses sometimes, I get complaints that I play cheesy. And the complaints are just hilarious sometimes. Most of the time, I'm not even doing what I'm accused of. People get so angry that it clouds their thought.

I used to sound like you bro, but I just got tired of complaining all the time, so I sucked it up and started playing with an open mind. And guess what? I got a lot better at the game. People come at me with wacky sh*t and I just use good strategy to beat them. I don't care how the other guy plays, I'm going to play with an NFL mentality.

NFL mentality = competitive, never yielding, always focused, aggressive, and mentally strong <----start playing like that and your games WILL look like NFL games...or just an NFL team wiping the floor with some wacky, one-trick pony team.
I traveled this same path. Once I realized that anything and everything
was OK, then I started having more fun - and I keep improving. You
got a weapon? Use it. I wanna see it.

We let our egos slow us down. Let it go, and you'll see things clearly
enough to keep learning. Be like a boa.

[NastyQueDawg]

Hey Nasty, can you give us a link to your SIM league so we can check it out?

This is the link to our Forums Board:

http://z14.invisionfree.com/NSFFL/index.php?act=idx

This is the link to our Online Franchise League:

http://www.simsportsnet.com/madden/leaguemanager/leaguehome.asp?leagueid=186

If interested in joining...register to the Forums Board and I'll approve you for posting later on tonight. Then you can go to the Members Only Section under Waiting List and sign up there.

[Titans 4 LIFE]

online is just lab for me anyway, if I play someone whos doing something that I cant stop then thats good I can get some practice. all I do online on offense pretty much is run backwards with the Qb toss it up and try to manual catch it lol its sad that I actually beat some people and then some people get mad and say im "rocket catch glitching" lol its sad that some people cant even adjust to a manual caught streak route.

[GAV]

online is just lab for me anyway, if I play someone whos doing something that I cant stop then thats good I can get some practice. all I do online on offense pretty much is run backwards with the Qb toss it up and try to manual catch it lol its sad that I actually beat some people and then some people get mad and say im "rocket catch glitching" lol its sad that some people cant even adjust to a manual caught streak route.
Your hella fun to play though. Your D always keeps you alive.
If I F up, I know its goin for 6.

[Titans 4 LIFE]

Your hella fun to play though. Your D always keeps you alive.
yea I usually play for real on D, defense is actually fun this year. I just dont like offense IMO its boring, Im too lazy to audible and formation shift to get my plays lol. you have one of the sickest zone Ds ive seen, idk how you get pressure out of the 2-4-5 and still stop the run, but I know the 245 is sick Ive found a few nice setups in it. for my league im trying to run an all zone d so I gotta find aplaybook with 34 43 and 245.

[GAV]

yea I usually play for real on D, defense is actually fun this year. I just dont like offense IMO its boring, Im too lazy to audible and formation shift to get my plays lol. you have one of the sickest zone Ds ive seen, idk how you get pressure out of the 2-4-5 and still stop the run, but I know the 245 is sick Ive found a few nice setups in it. for my league im trying to run an all zone d so I gotta find aplaybook with 34 43 and 245.
Cover 2 is the one.

Break your blitz schemes into thirds, count heads - and send one more.

Stack the ILBs on the DTs to make running tough.

[sideoutshu]

This is the link to our Forums Board:

http://z14.invisionfree.com/NSFFL/index.php?act=idx

This is the link to our Online Franchise League:

http://www.simsportsnet.com/madden/leaguemanager/leaguehome.asp?leagueid=186

If interested in joining...register to the Forums Board and I'll approve you for posting later on tonight. Then you can go to the Members Only Section under Waiting List and sign up there.

I don't know how you guys play with all these rules. Why not just let the computer play for you?

1. Audible and formation shifts cannot be done if it moves a player to an un-defendable position. Wr’s can not be lined up as TE’s. HB’s cannot be lined up as FB’s. WR’s cannot be lined up as HB’s. (I have yet to see a formation shift that is "undefendable" You still have the same personnel on the field right?)
2. If you discover a play that is 100% effective vs. your opponent, do not abuse this play. (why wouldn't you. Isn't that what a "real" NFL coach would do?)

3. Audibles/hot routes – You can only change the play once at the line of scrimmage. Once you change the play, you can hot route, but you cannot audible back to the original play or to another play. Be realistic with Audibles and hot routes. NFL teams do not do it every single play, neither will We (how would you enforce that? What if you audible...then your opponent changes his D?)

4. Hurry up offense cannot be used unless you are behind with a running clock or within 2 minutes of the end of a half. You cannot run the hurry up offense on a stopped clock play (ball out of bounds, incomplete pass). (ever seen the colts/bengals/jets play this season?)

5. Defense
As with offense, do not run the same defense all game long. Excessive blitzing will harvest ill will. READ THIS CAREFULLY. Timely blitzing will stop a drive. Use appropriate defensive sets for the called offensive formation. Nickel Dime and Quarters sets are not appropriate for a 1 or 2 WR set or goal line formation.

AMMENDMENT
OVERMATCHING THE OFFENSE:

Overmatching is defined as (NICKEL ON TWO WR; DIME ON THREE WR; etc.) THIS OVERMATCHING WILL ONLY OCCUR ON THIRD DOWNS and THE LAST TWO MIN. OF THE HALF AND GAME.
THERE WILL BE NO OVERMATCHING ON 1ST DOWN AT "ANYTIME" REPEAT NO OVERMATCHING ON ANY FIRST DOWNS!

RULES FOR OVERMATCHING IN THE 2min DRILL
While in the last 2min of a half DEF May OVERMATCH on 2nd DOWN 3rd DOWN and 4th DOWN (What on earth does this mean? If you are "overmatched" by a bunch of 190 lb DB's, why wouldn't you just run over them?)

6. PLAYER MOVEMENT
You are allowed to move one player on defense before the snap, however, it must be a realistic player movement that does not abuse the AI of the offense. Safety’s cannot be moved closer to the line of scrimmage than Linebackers and Linebackers cannot be moved closer to the line of scrimmage. Lineman cannot be controlled manually before the snap, Linemen adjustments are limited to the default audible movements! explanation! only use the D-PAD shifts for linmen YOU CANNOT MOVE HIM MANUALLY BEFORE THE SNAP!
Let this rule be clear that you cannot hide behind this rule and move a player all over the place, or take a LB and move him just off the screen to blitz him. This rule is designed to allow players to adjust a player pre-snap, to help them better defend the play. You must control the player you move until the QB shows his play. This means you are in control of this player until the QB hands the ball off on a run play, fakes on a play action pass, throws on a pass play or starts to run from his passing play.
(why control anyone at all? Just let the computer do everything.)

I like this rule:

On Defense:

IF You have SOLID PROOF that a player is moved to play another position, we will honor that position change. ( YOU MUST HAVE PROOF by way of Hyperlink or and link for him to type a browser link for G4Shizzle and to approve.) If you have ANY Questions about position changes hit G4Shizzle up in AIM or His SSN.com League Home page Email. He will make all judgement calls on player repositioning!

[Titans 4 LIFE]

Cover 2 is the one.

Break your blitz schemes into thirds, count heads - and send one more.

Stack the ILBs on the DTs to make running tough.
yea Ive been using the cover 2 and its sick
with random gap its kind of hard to zone blitz because if the blitz gets picked up ALOT is open, i guess it could be good with some manual coverage deep and flats covered. ive won my league like 3 times in a row so we made a rule that I can only play zone coverage now so thats gonna be all im using online, its kinda fun just putting people into random zones and blitzes, im gonna have to stay creative if I wanna win.

[GAV]

yea Ive been using the cover 2 and its sick
with random gap its kind of hard to zone blitz because if the blitz gets picked up ALOT is open, i guess it could be good with some manual coverage deep and flats covered. ive won my league like 3 times in a row so we made a rule that I can only play zone coverage now so thats gonna be all im using online, its kinda fun just putting people into random zones and blitzes, im gonna have to stay creative if I wanna win.
Don't be afraid to move a defender wide to defend the quick fade.
Blitzing 2 DTs, 2 ILBs, and 1 OLB gets it done verse most protection
schemes. I'll send a safety and the other OLB if it doesn't. :D

Can you hot read in any man coverage?

[Titans 4 LIFE]

Don't be afraid to move a defender wide to defend the quick fade.
Blitzing 2 DTs, 2 ILBs, and 1 OLB gets it done verse most protection
schemes. I'll send a safety and the other OLB if it doesn't. :D

Can you hot read in any man coverage?
yea I can have 2 defenders in man, I have a nice cover 2 setup with the outside CBs in man and the MLB playing deep middle, with the other ILB blitzing and stacked.

[Hayduke]

It really doesnt take a lot of time to get good at madden. i never go to practice mode and only play a couple of games a week(except during the summer) and still do decent in tournies and MCs and have beaten a few "top ballers". The way to be good if your playing online is being able to adjust quickly, it shouldnt take you endless hours of lab time to stop a "unbelievably weird off-the-wall strategy" as you call it, you should be able think logically and find the way to stop it in 1 or 2 plays. If thats not what you are doing then your just limiting yourself but I guess thats how some people like to play the game.

I find that the beauty of Madden is that it's a game with a somewhat steep learning curve, ie, the more you play the more you are rewarded with more knowledge and ability. There are lots of different strategies to learn and master, skills to learn and master. Otherwise I would have gotten bored and chucked it long ago.

Maybe you have a savant-like ability with Madden, like Rain Man, only you'd be Rain Madden :D .

"Definitely"

[Titans 4 LIFE]

There are lots of different strategies to learn and master, skills to learn and master. Otherwise I would have gotten bored and chucked it long ago.


and I guess "str8" ballers are too good to learn how to master stopping the no huddle, quick pass, deep ball, etc. what IS there to learn when you limit yourself so much.

[GAV]

yea I can have 2 defenders in man, I have a nice cover 2 setup with the outside CBs in man and the MLB playing deep middle, with the other ILB blitzing and stacked.
Manning the TE sures up alot of zones.
A good TE attack can put a hurt on many zone blitzes.

[Titans 4 LIFE]

Manning the TE sures up alot of zones.
A good TE attack can put a hurt on many zone blitzes.
yea I put an olb on the TE a lot, I just came up with a couple nice 34 blitzes im about to try out.

[GAV]

I love it when people hijack threads.

I think the Bears will do well in the NFC playoffs this year.
Bears Shmares. Eagles baby!!!

Try putting a safety on the TE if you really want to limit him.

[NastyQueDawg]

I don't know how you guys play with all these rules. Why not just let the computer play for you?

1. Audible and formation shifts cannot be done if it moves a player to an un-defendable position. Wr’s can not be lined up as TE’s. HB’s cannot be lined up as FB’s. WR’s cannot be lined up as HB’s. (I have yet to see a formation shift that is "undefendable" You still have the same personnel on the field right?)
2. If you discover a play that is 100% effective vs. your opponent, do not abuse this play. (why wouldn't you. Isn't that what a "real" NFL coach would do?)

3. Audibles/hot routes – You can only change the play once at the line of scrimmage. Once you change the play, you can hot route, but you cannot audible back to the original play or to another play. Be realistic with Audibles and hot routes. NFL teams do not do it every single play, neither will We (how would you enforce that? What if you audible...then your opponent changes his D?)

4. Hurry up offense cannot be used unless you are behind with a running clock or within 2 minutes of the end of a half. You cannot run the hurry up offense on a stopped clock play (ball out of bounds, incomplete pass). (ever seen the colts/bengals/jets play this season?)

5. Defense
As with offense, do not run the same defense all game long. Excessive blitzing will harvest ill will. READ THIS CAREFULLY. Timely blitzing will stop a drive. Use appropriate defensive sets for the called offensive formation. Nickel Dime and Quarters sets are not appropriate for a 1 or 2 WR set or goal line formation.

AMMENDMENT
OVERMATCHING THE OFFENSE:

Overmatching is defined as (NICKEL ON TWO WR; DIME ON THREE WR; etc.) THIS OVERMATCHING WILL ONLY OCCUR ON THIRD DOWNS and THE LAST TWO MIN. OF THE HALF AND GAME.
THERE WILL BE NO OVERMATCHING ON 1ST DOWN AT "ANYTIME" REPEAT NO OVERMATCHING ON ANY FIRST DOWNS!

RULES FOR OVERMATCHING IN THE 2min DRILL
While in the last 2min of a half DEF May OVERMATCH on 2nd DOWN 3rd DOWN and 4th DOWN (What on earth does this mean? If you are "overmatched" by a bunch of 190 lb DB's, why wouldn't you just run over them?)

6. PLAYER MOVEMENT
You are allowed to move one player on defense before the snap, however, it must be a realistic player movement that does not abuse the AI of the offense. Safety’s cannot be moved closer to the line of scrimmage than Linebackers and Linebackers cannot be moved closer to the line of scrimmage. Lineman cannot be controlled manually before the snap, Linemen adjustments are limited to the default audible movements! explanation! only use the D-PAD shifts for linmen YOU CANNOT MOVE HIM MANUALLY BEFORE THE SNAP!
Let this rule be clear that you cannot hide behind this rule and move a player all over the place, or take a LB and move him just off the screen to blitz him. This rule is designed to allow players to adjust a player pre-snap, to help them better defend the play. You must control the player you move until the QB shows his play. This means you are in control of this player until the QB hands the ball off on a run play, fakes on a play action pass, throws on a pass play or starts to run from his passing play.
(why control anyone at all? Just let the computer do everything.)

I like this rule:

On Defense:

IF You have SOLID PROOF that a player is moved to play another position, we will honor that position change. ( YOU MUST HAVE PROOF by way of Hyperlink or and link for him to type a browser link for G4Shizzle and to approve.) If you have ANY Questions about position changes hit G4Shizzle up in AIM or His SSN.com League Home page Email. He will make all judgement calls on player repositioning!

Well damn....I didn't post my league for you to go and throw us under the bus....those rules are in place to keep the simulation of realism of the NFL...but we don't even worry about it most of the time....Guys in my league range in ages from 18-50. But the majority of guys are in their 30's. So they play a fair str8 game anyway. But thanks for picking apart our league rules.....I see how you are. Damn...Backstabbers on the internet...geesh...

[GAV]

I don't think your rules are as bad as most straight league rules.
They're a little anal, but not as bad as most. ;)

JediTank's league rules makes yours look like an MC. :p

[NastyQueDawg]

I don't think your rules are as bad as most straight league rules.
They're a little anal, but not as bad as most. ;)

JediTank's league rules makes yours look like an MC. :p

Well actually He DID bring to light some rules that I wasn't even aware of on there. Basically when I started my league last year I got help from another Commishioner who just copied his rules over to MY League. I did go thru just now and eliminated the Audibles rule, and amended the No- Huddle ruling. Sideoutshu bashed my league but failed to say anything about all the GOOD things about it. As you or anyone can see it is a pretty damn good league irregardless. I have just about 90% participation from ALL owners and they all love it.

[sideoutshu]

Well actually He DID bring to light some rules that I wasn't even aware of on there. Basically when I started my league last year I got help from another Commishioner who just copied his rules over to MY League. I did go thru just now and eliminated the Audibles rule, and amended the No- Huddle ruling. Sideoutshu bashed my league but failed to say anything about all the GOOD things about it. As you or anyone can see it is a pretty damn good league irregardless. I have just about 90% participation from ALL owners and they all love it.
I wasn't trying to throw your league under the bus, just pointing out the logical fallacies involved with claiming your version of str8 play is "realistic" or "what a coach would do" and then saying things like "don't take advantage of a play that works". It isn't a personal attack on you, they are issues I felt are germane to the discussion we are having.

For example:

1. If an NFL coach had a play that was working all game, he would continue to use it ALL GAME.

Now, lets think about it from a "fair play" perspective. If I am using a HB dive 5 times in a row, and getting 5 yards a pop, that isn't me "abusing a play", it is probably my opponent calling an inappropriate defense. By forcing me to call a different play, you are actually placing me at a disadvantage because you are forcing me to play into the defenses' hands. If the dive is working, it is because he has made a concious choice to defend other areas with more vigor. Why would you force a player to attack the areas being heavily defended rather then force the defense to defend appropriately?

2. Alot of teams use no huddle offense all game in the real NFL. Of course you don't want no huddle after an incomplete, but I actually think that allowing no huddle makes the game more fair. For example, if I have a 3rd and inches and come our in a 3 WR set, then my opponent comes out in goal line Defense, why wouldn't I pick up the first down, then no huddle to keep the mismatched package on the field?

I don't know if you watched the complete debachle that was the PHI-IND game a few Sunday nights ago (the one where Addai had 4 TD's), but the reason that Addai had the 4TD's was mainly because PHI was forced to play nickel defense all game long. WHY? Beacause Jim Johnson knew that if they went to a different set, Peyton would trap that set on the field for an extended period of time and abuse it.

3. There is no reason to limit blitzing, ever. If I go with an engage 8 blitz every play all game long, and you can't stop it, that is on you, not me. Again, look at it from a "fair play" standpoint. If I am playing a guy who is constantly running deep routes that take 3 seconds to develop, I am at an advantage if I blitz. However, if I just sit back and let him pick me apart, now I am at the disadvantage because my opponent can sacrifice his "hot reads" and send everyone deep. Add in a QB like Brady or Manning and having 5 receivers running around downfield 20 yards is like taking candy from a baby. People who don't like blitzing are people who are spoiled and/or too dumb to make adjustments. You want someone to stop blitzing? BURN THEM DEEP! (or burn them short......or burn them to the flats....or burn them witha sweep, etc, etc, etc.)

The other problem with this is enforcement. If I send a CB at the QB, but then drop a Lineman into coverage, is that still considered a "blitz"? What about if I send one LBer out of the 3-4?

4. My favorite "unrealistic" rule was with regard to player movement. How is allowing only one player to move "realistic? It is in fact quite the opposite. Do yourself a favor, sit down and watch John Gruden's offense play this weekend. I bet you can count on two hands the number of plays where there aren't multiple players in motion. Why does he do it? TO CREATE A MISMATCH.

Play however you want, but don't come in here with some high and mighty attitude that your play style is any more "realistic" than mine, and then tell me that running no huddle, motioning players, or blitzing the QB 3 out of 4 downs if the situation calls for it is "unrealistic".


I did not simply criticize your league. I mentioned that I thought one of your rules was very good, and I wish we would adpot it in VGL. The one about a player changing positions in real life. If someone like Demarcus Ware, Terrell Suggs, Troy Brown, Pac Man Jones, etc. is used at a position in the NFL, why not in Madden.

Sidenote: I wonder what Troy Brown's ovr is at CB.

PS: "Irregardless" isn't really a word.

[mightypharaoh]

PS: "Irregardless" isn't really a word.

I knew someone was going to get the dictionary lol

[xX SNAKE Xx]

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.

irregardless

SYLLABICATION: ir·re·gard·less
PRONUNCIATION: r-gärdls
ADVERB: Nonstandard Regardless.
ETYMOLOGY: Probably blend of irrespective and regardless.
USAGE NOTE: Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir– prefix and –less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.

[sideoutshu]

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.

irregardless

SYLLABICATION: ir·re·gard·less
PRONUNCIATION: r-gärdls
ADVERB: Nonstandard Regardless.
ETYMOLOGY: Probably blend of irrespective and regardless.
USAGE NOTE: Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir– prefix and –less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.

Exactly....

[NastyQueDawg]

4. My favorite "unrealistic" rule was with regard to player movement. How is allowing only one player to move "realistic? It is in fact quite the opposite. Do yourself a favor, sit down and watch John Gruden's offense play this weekend. I bet you can count on two hands the number of plays where there aren't multiple players in motion. Why does he do it? TO CREATE A MISMATCH.

Play however you want, but don't come in here with some high and mighty attitude that your play style is any more "realistic" than mine, and then tell me that running no huddle, motioning players, or blitzing the QB 3 out of 4 downs if the situation calls for it is "unrealistic".


I did not simply criticize your league. I mentioned that I thought one of your rules was very good, and I wish we would adpot it in VGL. The one about a player changing positions in real life. If someone like Demarcus Ware, Terrell Suggs, Troy Brown, Pac Man Jones, etc. is used at a position in the NFL, why not in Madden.

Sidenote: I wonder what Troy Brown's ovr is at CB.

PS: "Irregardless" isn't really a word.

IN REAL NFL FOOTBALL that is true...in MADDEN if you move different Defenders to different positions on the field ie. STACKING, the Programming does not favor the BLOCKING AI of the Offensive Linemen in the game..therefore I limit the amount of players that you can MANUALLY move into position to MANIPULATE Blocking AI of the Offensive Linemen. But if you get your jollies and rocks off playing like THAT...then do so. We much rather use matching of attributes to expose defensive lines and also Slide Protection feature of the game to try and counter Defensive Line Shifts and Stunts in the game. I didn't say the Defense couldn't move as far as Global shifting and Playmaker features in the game. But to individually place players in CERTAIN positions manipulates AI of Blocking Offensive Linemen...PERIOD. That is why VGSports always have those TIPS with that in it... to expose that...we rather let the Player do the talking. I WILL admit I planned to bring that to the attention of the owners in my league to see if they wanted to look at changing that rule though and I just might still do that. NOW...as far as ME claiming and ACTING all HIGH and MIGHTY... I don't even begin to KNOW where u got THAT from! I never came at it like that. All I was doing was stating MY opinion on playing ONLINE against a lot of the Joe Schmoes out there and my feelings on playing in an Online League as opposed to playing just anyone out there in the Madden Community. I wasn't trying to be all high and mighty whatsover!!! Stop acting like a "itch"..that is like women talking. No matter how you want to look at it...I still say there is a LOT of cheesing moves and glitches that some people will use to win at ALL COSTS! If you want to make that person a better player than me, well go right ahead. It's not bothering me ONE BIT! Hell....with the rankings the way they are I wouldn't EVER expect to beat a lot of those guys anyway. But I STILL Plan to live another day.

And THANK YOU snakeu for giving him that definition. One thing I can't stand is a wise guy. Even if I used it in the wrong CONTEXT...the word IRREGARDLESS is STILL a WORD! Now talk about HIGH AND MIGHTY?? :mad:

[sideoutshu]

4. My favorite "unrealistic" rule was with regard to player movement. How is allowing only one player to move "realistic? It is in fact quite the opposite. Do yourself a favor, sit down and watch John Gruden's offense play this weekend. I bet you can count on two hands the number of plays where there aren't multiple players in motion. Why does he do it? TO CREATE A MISMATCH.

Play however you want, but don't come in here with some high and mighty attitude that your play style is any more "realistic" than mine, and then tell me that running no huddle, motioning players, or blitzing the QB 3 out of 4 downs if the situation calls for it is "unrealistic".


I did not simply criticize your league. I mentioned that I thought one of your rules was very good, and I wish we would adpot it in VGL. The one about a player changing positions in real life. If someone like Demarcus Ware, Terrell Suggs, Troy Brown, Pac Man Jones, etc. is used at a position in the NFL, why not in Madden.

Sidenote: I wonder what Troy Brown's ovr is at CB.

PS: "Irregardless" isn't really a word.

IN REAL NFL FOOTBALL that is true...in MADDEN if you move different Defenders to different positions on the field ie. STACKING, the Programming does not favor the BLOCKING AI of the Offensive Linemen in the game..therefore I limit the amount of players that you can MANUALLY move into position to MANIPULATE Blocking AI of the Offensive Linemen. But if you get your jollies and rocks off playing like THAT...then do so. We much rather use matching of attributes to expose defensive lines and also Slide Protection feature of the game to try and counter Defensive Line Shifts and Stunts in the game. I didn't say the Defense couldn't move as far as Global shifting and Playmaker features in the game. But to individually place players in CERTAIN positions manipulates AI of Blocking Offensive Linemen...PERIOD. That is why VGSports always have those TIPS with that in it... to expose that...we rather let the Player do the talking. I WILL admit I planned to bring that to the attention of the owners in my league to see if they wanted to look at changing that rule though and I just might still do that. NOW...as far as ME claiming and ACTING all HIGH and MIGHTY... I don't even begin to KNOW where u got THAT from! I never came at it like that. All I was doing was stating MY opinion on playing ONLINE against a lot of the Joe Schmoes out there and my feelings on playing in an Online League as opposed to playing just anyone out there in the Madden Community. I wasn't trying to be all high and mighty whatsover!!! Stop acting like a "itch"..that is like women talking. No matter how you want to look at it...I still say there is a LOT of cheesing moves and glitches that some people will use to win at ALL COSTS! If you want to make that person a better player than me, well go right ahead. It's not bothering me ONE BIT! Hell....with the rankings the way they are I wouldn't EVER expect to beat a lot of those guys anyway. But I STILL Plan to live another day.

And THANK YOU snakeu for giving him that definition. One thing I can't stand is a wise guy. Even if I used it in the wrong CONTEXT...the word IRREGARDLESS is STILL a WORD! Now talk about HIGH AND MIGHTY?? :mad:

Well, as far as the definition goes....just because a great number of Americans are too dimwitted to understand they are using improper english doesn't mean you have to be one of them. I'm sure I could find "farvergnugen" (that Volkswagon thing) in the dictionary. That doesn't make it an actual word.

I wasn't speaking of defensive player movement, I was speaking of the unrealistic restrictions on offensive motion and formation shifts. Stacking is a clear abuse of the AI, and it is understandable that you may have a rule against it.

I really have nothing else to say because you responded to my well articulated post with a bunch of muddled, off-topic nonsense rather than addressing my valid points.

[JPar]

Well, as far as the definition goes....just because a great number of Americans are too dimwitted to understand they are using improper english doesn't mean you have to be one of them. I'm sure I could find "farvergnugen" (that Volkswagon thing) in the dictionary. That doesn't make it an actual word.

I wasn't speaking of defensive player movement, I was speaking of the unrealistic restrictions on offensive motion and formation shifts. Stacking is a clear abuse of the AI, and it is understandable that you may have a rule against it.

I really have nothing else to say because you responded to my well articulated post with a bunch of muddled, off-topic nonsense rather than addressing my valid points.

fahrvergnugen is actually a word. But it's German, so you wouldn't find it in a dictionary, at least not an English one, anyway. And it means, roughly, "driving pleasure."

Just thought you should know, so when you try to belittle someone, you do it correctly and effectively. :D

[NastyQueDawg]

Well, as far as the definition goes....just because a great number of Americans are too dimwitted to understand they are using improper english doesn't mean you have to be one of them. I'm sure I could find "farvergnugen" (that Volkswagon thing) in the dictionary. That doesn't make it an actual word.

I wasn't speaking of defensive player movement, I was speaking of the unrealistic restrictions on offensive motion and formation shifts. Stacking is a clear abuse of the AI, and it is understandable that you may have a rule against it.

I really have nothing else to say because you responded to my well articulated post with a bunch of muddled, off-topic nonsense rather than addressing my valid points.

What kills me about you young man...is calling ME high and mighty. Take a look in the mirror lately buddy? Well articulated? On a Forums Board? LOL!! Gimme a break! And just so YOU Know....just because you USE proper English or whateva on a Forum Board makes YOU no better a person than anyone else that uses this Forum Board and express themselves in ANY manner they choose. You so busy being stereotypical of someones grammar usage, you STILL missing all of my point in this discussion altogether. Clear your mind THEN come talk at me. Until then...Peace be unto you....LOL!

[NastyQueDawg]

fahrvergnugen is actually a word. But it's German, so you wouldn't find it in a dictionary, at least not an English one, anyway. And it means, roughly, "driving pleasure."

Just thought you should know, so when you try to belittle someone, you do it correctly and effectively. :D

I was just getting ready to post another post stating what fahrvergnugen meant. I myself use to sell cars via the Internet at Springfield Volkswagen in Springfield, VA. and that is one of the first things they taught us in sales. Again...and he talks about being High and Mighty? LOL!! Go Figure! LOL!!

[sideoutshu]

fahrvergnugen is actually a word. But it's German, so you wouldn't find it in a dictionary, at least not an English one, anyway. And it means, roughly, "driving pleasure."

Just thought you should know, so when you try to belittle someone, you do it correctly and effectively. :D
That term was INVENTED by volkswagon, and they ASSIGNED a defenition to it in their commercials as "the driving experience you feel when driving a volkwagon". As I am actually half German I can ASSURE YOU that it is NOT a German word, and rather a combination of two German words with several letters removed.

It is the equivalent of someone using the term "spanglish" in english.

Just thought you should know, so the next time you throw your ill advised and completely ignorant two cents in, you can do it correctly and effectively.

[sideoutshu]

What kills me about you young man...is calling ME high and mighty. Take a look in the mirror lately buddy? Well articulated? On a Forums Board? LOL!! Gimme a break! And just so YOU Know....just because you USE proper English or whateva on a Forum Board makes YOU no better a person than anyone else that uses this Forum Board and express themselves in ANY manner they choose. You so busy being stereotypical of someones grammar usage, you STILL missing all of my point in this discussion altogether. Clear your mind THEN come talk at me. Until then...Peace be unto you....LOL!

I see that you have gone to the John Kerry School of argument.

When you can't win on the facts and/or issues....CHANGE THE SUBJECT!...lmao

It is noteworthy that you have yet to address any of the points I made, which is understandable given that they completely undermine your representation that your "sim league" is "realistic".

As far as being well articulated, etc. You have made a point, several times in this thread of pointing out that you, and the members of your league are far older then the children who "have all day to sit around and play." I can only assume your repeated mention of this is made because of perceived enhancement of your credibility as far as knowledge of the game goes; maturity, etc. If you are going to mock and/or belittle the younger players out there in an effort to support your argument, don't you think your grammar/vocabulary should expand beyond that of your average 10 year old?

[BIG GENE]

HUGE *****!!!!!!!!!

[JPar]

That term was INVENTED by volkswagon, and they ASSIGNED a defenition to it in their commercials as "the driving experience you feel when driving a volkwagon". As I am actually half German I can ASSURE YOU that it is NOT a German word, and rather a combination of two German words with several letters removed.

It is the equivalent of someone using the term "spanglish" in english.

Just thought you should know, so the next time you throw your ill advised and completely ignorant two cents in, you can do it correctly and effectively.

Yes, and often, two German words are combined to make one.

German: fahren "to drive" and Vergnügen "pleasure".

Kinda like "dummkopf," which you should be fairly familiar with, since you obviously are one.

You may be half German, but you obviously don't know how it's spoken or written.

And it's "definition."

[sideoutshu]

Kinda like "dummkopf," which you should be fairly familiar with, since you obviously are one.
Wow, between you and my grandfather, I have been called that twice this week. Kudos to you, Jpar.

What was your point again just so I understand? Did you somehow disagree with my points about the "sim style" rules actually being unrealistic? Or do you just get a boner out of tormenting me? I have a funny feeling that you wake up every morning and do a search of my recent posts to start your day off.

[Cyanide]

...and yeah, if he wins on some "BS" - then he is better than you, at least for the
time being. ;)

:rolleyes:

It's kind of sad that you think this way. From my experience with madden I've came to the conclusion that anyone can beat anyone, they just have to play their cards right. Hell I've had people beat me because of 3 or 4 fumbles (not even sticking or stripping me), key dropped passes, or tipped interceptions. That doesn't mean that they are better than me, it just means I got the short end of the stick that time and they took advantage of it. I just suck it up and play some one else.

Most people won't play me again because when I do lose it's usuallyby a touchdown or less. I've lost over 30 games online from a touchdown or less does that mean all those people are better than me?

Outthinking and having a better strategy doesn't always win you the game there is a BS/luck factor that sets in some times.

Now if I played some one best out of 5 games or something and they beat me that would give me a better idea if they are better than me. But one game doesn't mean *****.

You're very narrow minded...

[sideoutshu]

What kills me about you young man...is calling ME high and mighty. Take a look in the mirror lately buddy? Well articulated? On a Forums Board? LOL!! Gimme a break! And just so YOU Know....just because you USE proper English or whateva on a Forum Board makes YOU no better a person than anyone else that uses this Forum Board and express themselves in ANY manner they choose. You so busy being stereotypical of someones grammar usage, you STILL missing all of my point in this discussion altogether. Clear your mind THEN come talk at me. Until then...Peace be unto you....LOL!

Let me recap my points for you so that you can address them. Unless you realize that I am right, in which case please ignore my points and once again change the subect to some other mind-numbing nonsense.I even took the liberty of numbering them for you so you don't miss any.



1. If an NFL coach had a play that was working all game, he would continue to use it ALL GAME.

Now, lets think about it from a "fair play" perspective. If I am using a HB dive 5 times in a row, and getting 5 yards a pop, that isn't me "abusing a play", it is probably my opponent calling an inappropriate defense. By forcing me to call a different play, you are actually placing me at a disadvantage because you are forcing me to play into the defenses' hands. If the dive is working, it is because he has made a concious choice to defend other areas with more vigor. Why would you force a player to attack the areas being heavily defended rather then force the defense to defend appropriately?

2. Alot of teams use no huddle offense all game in the real NFL. Of course you don't want no huddle after an incomplete, but I actually think that allowing no huddle makes the game more fair. For example, if I have a 3rd and inches and come our in a 3 WR set, then my opponent comes out in goal line Defense, why wouldn't I pick up the first down, then no huddle to keep the mismatched package on the field?

I don't know if you watched the complete debachle that was the PHI-IND game a few Sunday nights ago (the one where Addai had 4 TD's), but the reason that Addai had the 4TD's was mainly because PHI was forced to play nickel defense all game long. WHY? Beacause Jim Johnson knew that if they went to a different set, Peyton would trap that set on the field for an extended period of time and abuse it.

3. There is no reason to limit blitzing, ever. If I go with an engage 8 blitz every play all game long, and you can't stop it, that is on you, not me. Again, look at it from a "fair play" standpoint. If I am playing a guy who is constantly running deep routes that take 3 seconds to develop, I am at an advantage if I blitz. However, if I just sit back and let him pick me apart, now I am at the disadvantage because my opponent can sacrifice his "hot reads" and send everyone deep. Add in a QB like Brady or Manning and having 5 receivers running around downfield 20 yards is like taking candy from a baby. People who don't like blitzing are people who are spoiled and/or too dumb to make adjustments. You want someone to stop blitzing? BURN THEM DEEP! (or burn them short......or burn them to the flats....or burn them witha sweep, etc, etc, etc.)

The other problem with this is enforcement. If I send a CB at the QB, but then drop a Lineman into coverage, is that still considered a "blitz"? What about if I send one LBer out of the 3-4?

4. My favorite "unrealistic" rule was with regard to player movement. How is allowing only one player to move "realistic? It is in fact quite the opposite. Do yourself a favor, sit down and watch John Gruden's offense play this weekend. I bet you can count on two hands the number of plays where there aren't multiple players in motion. Why does he do it? TO CREATE A MISMATCH.

[JPar]

Wow, between you and my grandfather, I have been called that twice this week. Kudos to you, Jpar.

What was your point again just so I understand? Did you somehow disagree with my points about the "sim style" rules actually being unrealistic? Or do you just get a boner out of tormenting me? I have a funny feeling that you wake up every morning and do a search of my recent posts to start your day off.

I just like to make sure you get your facts right, that's all. :D

[rank is dumb]

I feel like I'm at bingo watching all the old ladies fighting with each other over whos bingo strat is better!! :cool:

[NastyQueDawg]

Man u need to stop this....u are tormenting yourself at this point. Both of us made our points...and we disagree on several of them. But SO WHAT? Get over it. I will STILL play in ONLINE LEAGUES and YOU will get your pleasure from playing against just ANYONE. I'm not into who's better than who...I just play the damn game for the love I have for the GAME!

[sideoutshu]

Man u need to stop this....u are tormenting yourself at this point. Both of us made our points...and we disagree on several of them. But SO WHAT? Get over it. I will STILL play in ONLINE LEAGUES and YOU will get your pleasure from playing against just ANYONE. I'm not into who's better than who...I just play the damn game for the love I have for the GAME!
The funny thing is, I don't like to play "just anyone". I play 95% in leagues as well, and I too, hate to see the people that make 25 adjustments to their defense pre-snap as IT DOES fool the AI. Things like that are totally different however then taking a strategy you don't like and calling it "unrealistic" when it is in fact, just the opposite.

I could care less what your style of play is, or who you enjoy playing with. I simply take issue with your insane implications that doing things like running no huddle offense, or formation shifting, are somehow "unrealistic".

[xX SNAKE Xx]

It's snowing outside, been snowing since sometime early this morning...unable to work outside, thats why I'm joining in on all the fun indoors...:D there are no rules for this post just respond at will...:D

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1.1 Alternative spellings
1.2 Etymology
1.3 Noun
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2.1 Etymology
2.2 Pronunciation
2.3 Noun



[edit] English
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[edit] Alternative spellings
farvegnugen
fahrvegnugen
farfegnugen
fahrvergnügen

[edit] Etymology
German: Fahrvergnügen, from fahren "to drive" and Vergnügen "pleasure". (The term was popularized in Volkswagen television commercials of the 1990's.)


[edit] Noun
Fahrvergnügen

Driving pleasure, especially with regard to Volkswagen vehicles.

[NastyQueDawg]

The funny thing is, I don't like to play "just anyone". I play 95% in leagues as well, and I too, hate to see the people that make 25 adjustments to their defense pre-snap as IT DOES fool the AI. Things like that are totally different however then taking a strategy you don't like and calling it "unrealistic" when it is in fact, just the opposite.

I could care less what your style of play is, or who you enjoy playing with. I simply take issue with your insane implications that doing things like running no huddle offense, or formation shifting, are somehow "unrealistic".

If you could care less..how bout shut the F**K up then? You CONTINUE to take my post out of context. I never said my rules were the best or correct for that matter. But I can guarantee you that 95% of the PLAYERS or BALLERS would rather NOT play some bum who plays NO HUDDLE damn near EVERY Play of the game. If THAT isn't UNREALISTIC then I don't know what is! I never said Formation Shifting was unrealistic either...as a matter of fact I've AMENDED that Ruling in my Leagues Rules. But there are some shifts that also affect AI of the game as well. But we don't even have owners who care to formation shift more than once or twice anyway. So whether YOU Like MY thoughts on all this or not....WHO CARES?

[sideoutshu]

If you could care less..how bout shut the F**K up then?
Or you could do the same, no?

[GAV]

:rolleyes:

It's kind of sad that you think this way. From my experience with madden I've came to the conclusion that anyone can beat anyone, they just have to play their cards right. Hell I've had people beat me because of 3 or 4 fumbles (not even sticking or stripping me), key dropped passes, or tipped interceptions. That doesn't mean that they are better than me, it just means I got the short end of the stick that time and they took advantage of it. I just suck it up and play some one else.

Most people won't play me again because when I do lose it's usuallyby a touchdown or less. I've lost over 30 games online from a touchdown or less does that mean all those people are better than me?

Outthinking and having a better strategy doesn't always win you the game there is a BS/luck factor that sets in some times.

Now if I played some one best out of 5 games or something and they beat me that would give me a better idea if they are better than me. But one game doesn't mean *****.

You're very narrow minded...
You're only as good as the game you are playing - right now. ;)
I lose games. It means my opponent is better. Ego - it makes
players great, while limiting them at the same time. I play alot
of online games where I'm trying things out, and if my opponent
beats me in those games - then they are better than me. There is
no BS. There is no luck. There is no cheese.

[NastyQueDawg]

U know what? You WIN...I'm Done....how bout THAT for an ego? :D

[GAV]

Sideout cracks me up. There's no argument with him that doesn't
turn into flailing out of frustration. People think 2-Pac still lives.
I think Johnny Cochran lives, and he's really Sideout. ;)

[xX SNAKE Xx]

When playing online I try to be like Muhammad Ali, ''Float like a Butterfly, Sting like a Bee''

[sideoutshu]

It's snowing outside, been snowing since sometime early this morning...unable to work outside, thats why I'm joining in on all the fun indoors...:D there are no rules for this post just respond at will...:D

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Contents [hide]
1 English
1.1 Alternative spellings
1.2 Etymology
1.3 Noun
2 German
2.1 Etymology
2.2 Pronunciation
2.3 Noun



[edit] English
This entry needs to be split into separate entries (usually uppercase/lowercase, with {{see}} links.)

[edit] Alternative spellings
farvegnugen
fahrvegnugen
farfegnugen
fahrvergnügen

[edit] Etymology
German: Fahrvergnügen, from fahren "to drive" and Vergnügen "pleasure". (The term was popularized in Volkswagen television commercials of the 1990's.)


[edit] Noun
Fahrvergnügen

Driving pleasure, especially with regard to Volkswagen vehicles.ya, thanks guy. I have dictionary.com too.

[sideoutshu]

I think Johnny Cochran lives, and he's really Sideout. ;)
Maybe that is why I dance so well?
http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/AMERICAN_WEDDING-4.jpg

[xX SNAKE Xx]

I was having a snowball fight awhile ago, the other people keep ducking out of the way when I would throw it, I quit because they were glitching me, called them a bunch of glitchers...they should just stand there to make it more fair....after all I'm older then they are...:D

[sideoutshu]

I was having a snowball fight awhile ago, the other people keep ducking out of the way when I would throw it, I quit because they were glitching me, called them a bunch of glitchers...they should just stand there to make it more fair....after all I'm older then they are...:D

You were totally glitched man!

You should go start a str8 snowball league where everyone has to stand with their hands by their sides until you are done throwing.

[xX SNAKE Xx]

You were totally glitched man!

You should go start a str8 snowball league where everyone has to stand with their hands by their sides until you are done throwing.

You are my kind of SnowBall Fighter, want to join my league, this will be great....:D

[sideoutshu]

You are my kind of SnowBall Fighter, want to join my league, this will be great....:D
I would be just like the American Revolution before Guerilla warfare. Everyone would just stand in a big line and then throw when the whistle was blown. Then we would repack, and throw again until everyone fell down.

[xX SNAKE Xx]

One of the rules would have to be that you can not compact the snow only hold it in your hand and throw like a girl...:D

[sideoutshu]

One of the rules would have to be that you can not compact the snow only hold it in your hand and throw like a girl...:D
Then we would have to worry about the dreaded "yellow snow glitch".

[xX SNAKE Xx]

Then we would have to worry about the dreaded "yellow snow glitch".

That would have to be a last resort play used only at the start of the Snowball fight...get them to quit right away...:D

[sideoutshu]

That would have to be a last resort play used only at the start of the Snowball fight...get them to quit right away...:D
I was thinking it would be like the equivalent of cord jiggling.

[xX SNAKE Xx]

I was thinking it would be like the equivalent of cord jiggling.

LOL, sounds like it.

[Cyanide]

You're only as good as the game you are playing - right now. ;)
I lose games. It means my opponent is better. Ego - it makes
players great, while limiting them at the same time. I play alot
of online games where I'm trying things out, and if my opponent
beats me in those games - then they are better than me. There is
no BS. There is no luck. There is no cheese.

Maybe the word BS shouldn't be used. What I really mean is luck.

When I say BS i'm not talking about its BS that they beat me I'm saying that my oppenonent may have gotten more luck than me. (Please don't say there is no such thing as luck when playing games because luck factors in to about every game ever invented)

I'm not going to keep commenting on this, you're going to go against the grain regardless of what I say to you because you're not going to admit i'm right. It's okay as long as you know in your head where I am coming from that's all that matters.

Just because some one beats me that does not mean they are better than me. They may have have outplayed me that particular time or got more luck than me but to say that they are overall just better is ridiculous.

[maddengamer22]

just run the damn ball it takes more skill to run it anyway OLD SCHOOL SMASHMOUTH FOOTBALL ever heard of it I would be glad to have someone drop there d-line into coverage after about 3 20+ yrd runs they will stop i promise ya that

[JoeJGibbs]

Internet personalities are the greatest, Give it a rest. lol

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y255/vicdamone24/diethreaddie.jpg

[R00k]

and I guess "str8" ballers are too good to learn how to master stopping the no huddle, quick pass, deep ball, etc. what IS there to learn when you limit yourself so much.


not every str8 baller can fit into the tiny little box you describe.

And what difference does it make to you how someone else wants to play the game?

It makes just about as much sense as some str8 ballers complaining about cheesers and calling everything they dont want to learn to stop cheesy.

This thread is a perfect example of why online leagues are better for online play than ladder games, EAso, or any other online single game playing experience.

If you like less rules, find a league with rules that suite ya. If you like more rules, find a league with more rules.
There truly are leagues for everyone out there.

(I'm talking about the PC version)


There are extremists on both sides and then there are 100's of players who fall somewhere in between.

[LA Code Poet]

In the NFL, you can drop your line into pass coverage. I've seen it down. If you're like the 98% of people who play Madden and can't read defense, don't call the game cheese. Go pick up a coaching book or watch some film and learn to read defenses.

[Titans 4 LIFE]

not every str8 baller can fit into the tiny little box you describe.

And what difference does it make to you how someone else wants to play the game?


I dont care how they play it, I get annoyed when they come on here whining about "cheese" in the game and when im playing them they complain about every thing that I do.

[mightypharaoh]

Internet personalities are the greatest, Give it a rest. lol

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y255/vicdamone24/diethreaddie.jpg

LMPHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGINAO at the dude with the TWA (teenie weenie afro haters:D)

[reality77]

pa plays will help u beat that...the linemen will bite alot of the time then hit them...also if you use the compression offense u can usually find a opening and in the advanced tips section in 201 big b tells you how 2 beat that its called the fog defense...plus just snap the ball b4 they have time to do all that...if u can...use some pump fakes and crap and hit them deep...i dunno just my thoughts...