Top NFL Safeties

[Bearfanmike20]

ok.. you made me do this... LOL

I graded out all the top safeties by performance per game...

tackles per game
Sacks per game
int per game
td per game
forced fumbles per game
Fumble recoveries per game
Yards per touch (how far they take the ball when they get thier hands on it.)


All stats are coutesy of nfl.com

[Bearfanmike20]

Tackles per game

1. Bob Sanders 6.3
2. Sean Taylor 4.47
3. Mike Brown 4.34
4. Roy Williams 4.21
5. Brian Dawkins 3.98
6. Ed Reed 3.72
6. Troy P. 3.72

[Bearfanmike20]

Sacks per game

1. Dawkins .11
2. Williams .08
3. Troy P. .06
4. Reed .05
5. Brown .04
5. Taylor .04
6. Sanders .00

[Bearfanmike20]

Interceptions per game

1. Reed .36
2. Williams .21
3. Dawkins .20
4. Brown .16
4. Troy P. .16
5. Taylor .15
6. Sanders .08

[Bearfanmike20]

TD per game

1. Brown .08
2. Reed .05
3. Sanders .04
4. Williams .03
4. Troy P. .03
5. Dawkins .02
5. Taylor .02

[Bearfanmike20]

Forced Fumbles per game

1. Dawkins .17
2. Taylor .15
3. Williams .11
4. .Brown .09
5. Sanders .08
6. Reed .06
6. Troy P. .06

[Bearfanmike20]

Fumbles Recovered per game

1. Sanders .12
2. Dawkins .09
3. Williams .08
4. Brown .07
5. Reed .04
6. Troy P. .03
7. Taylor .02

[Bearfanmike20]

Yards per touch.. (how far they take the ball when they get thier hands on it.)

1. Reed 25.86
2. Brown 23.45
3. Taylor 22.87
4. Troy P. 19.08
5. Williams 12.37
6. Dawkins 12.02
7. Sanders 7.4

[Bearfanmike20]

Total score.. This is cumulative ranking.. lowest is best.

1. 3 way tie
Brown
Dawkins
Williams
23 total cumulative ranking. average ranking of 3.28

2. Reed
24 total cumulatve ranking. average ranking of 3.42

3. Taylor
29 total cumulatve ranking. average ranking of 4.14

4. Sanders
29 total cumulatve ranking. average ranking of 4.14

5. Troy P.
33 total cumulatve ranking. average ranking of 4.71

These are stats.. cold stats.. nothing more.. nothing less...

proceed to rip it apart. :D

[H1tStick]

You have turned into such a joke...we all know every Bears player is the greatest of all time. Ohh....and dont foget injuries per game because A PLAYER IS USELESS SITTING ON THE SIDELINE

[Bearfanmike20]

Added Troy P. now...

Unlocked the thread fell free to rip this apart. I know you will.

[Bearfanmike20]

You have turned into such a joke...we all know every Bears player is the greatest of all time. Ohh....and dont foget injuries per game because A PLAYER IS USELESS SITTING ON THE SIDELINE


So.. hes not playing as much as he should... does that make him any less affective when he does...

Would you say that about Bo Jackson.. When healthy.. hes top 5 of all time in rb I would want on my team IMO.

[UserPick9288]

this thread offically made me stop reading anything started by you. lol mike brown

[Bearfanmike20]

this thread offically made me stop reading anything started by you. lol mike brown
Why... the stats are right there....

Why is this sooo hard to understand...??:confused:

Its not like I'm saying... Bernard Berian is a top 5 rec...

or...

Thomas Jones is a top 5 rb... I'm taking a guy who puts up numbers when healthy... numbers that are just as good as any other safety in the league. Hes one of the best if not the best all around safety in the league.. he is always around the ball... always making plays.. and when he gets the ball... Its 6.

Why is that sooooo hard to comprehend??..

[kcchiefsno1]

Looks like Mike has a good argument to me, from the stats Brown is one of the best.

[CapnKill]

Where is K. Rhodes in all of this?

[T.J. Davis]

From the stats Mike got an argument no lie. Brown and Williams are one of the best. But, I still take guys over them fast.

[vick777]

Did anyone see how exposed Roy williams was 2 years ago and at the end of this year, Sean Taylor looked Horrible because of a Terrible Front 7 and even worse corners. However Mike Brown Plays with a Great Defense where ever one does there job and it lets Mike Brown only worry about doing his job, Same With Ed Reed. i like Mike Brown but im just saying stats don't tell the whole story

[ThunderCat]

i agree. mike brown IS one of the better safeties when he's healthy.

[Bearfanmike20]

Did anyone see how exposed Roy williams was 2 years ago and at the end of this year, Sean Taylor looked Horrible because of a Terrible Front 7 and even worse corners. However Mike Brown Plays with a Great Defense where ever one does there job and it lets Mike Brown only worry about doing his job, Same With Ed Reed. i like Mike Brown but im just saying stats don't tell the whole story
I was waiting for this....

Your right but wronge premise... He is MORE important then his stats indicate...

That def gives up more point and more yards per game without brown then they do with him. He is the qb of that def.. its not Urlacher who they always seem to give credit for that.. Brown is the one that alligns then proberly to make plays. The bears give up 50+ more rushing yards without mike brown then they do with him. And that stat has held true for the past 3 seasons. :eek:

[H1tStick]

The fact remains, he is too injury-prone to be considered a top player. PERIOD.

[bk1998]

Ok... for starters, if two guys are tied, the next guy is two spots lower. IE, A and B are tied for first, then the next guy C is third. There is no second.

And the MAJOR problem with this? You're assuming that fumble recoveries per game are just as important as interceptions per game. Come on. Seriously!

You need to weight ALL of the categories so that the important categories have more weight.

Fumble recoveries... blah. Forced fumbles are 10X more important than fumble recoveries.

Mike, I know you love to toss stats around, but I really don't think you know a whole lot about true statistical analysis.

[Bearfanmike20]

Ok... for starters, if two guys are tied, the next guy is two spots lower. IE, A and B are tied for first, then the next guy C is third. There is no second.

And the MAJOR problem with this? You're assuming that fumble recoveries per game are just as important as interceptions per game. Come on. Seriously!

You need to weight ALL of the categories so that the important categories have more weight.

Fumble recoveries... blah. Forced fumbles are 10X more important than fumble recoveries.

Mike, I know you love to toss stats around, but I really don't think you know a whole lot about true statistical analysis.

You know... contrary to popular belief... I do have to work.... LOL

I just dont have time right now to come up with a weighted scale on what stats are more important then others...

[pitbull]

The fact remains, he is too injury-prone to be considered a top player. PERIOD.

yeah i agree.

[rank is dumb]

I just wanted to post a short list of saftys who have more tackles then Polamalu.:D Don't go and tell me that Pitt hag a great offense this year and TP was not on the feild enough to make plays! Thy guys can HIT you hard but he does not wrap up very well. Yes he chases RB's down from behind! Why can he do that? HE HAS SPEED, the Front 3 control the gaps and protect the LB's, The LB's are protected there for they force the RB's to the out side, GIVING T.P. MORE OF A CHANCE TO RUN THEM DOWN! Yes he was hurt a this year but like you guys all said. HOW CAN YOU BE A FACTOR SITTING ON THE SIDELINES!


1:Chris Hope TEN
2:Sean Taylor WAS
3:Sean Jones CLE
4:Jermaine Phillips
5:Stuart Schweigert OAK
6:Donte Whitner BUF
7:Gibril Wilson NYG
8:Erik Coleman NYJ
9:Will Demps NYG
10:Kerry Rhodes NYJ
11:Lawyer Milloy ATL
12:Brian Dawkins PHI
13:Ken Hamlin SEA
14:Madieu Williams CIN
15:Antoine Bethea IND
16:Renaldo Hill MIA
17:Sean Considine PHI
18:Corey Chavous STL
19: Adrian Wilson ARI
20:Sammy Knight KAN
21:John Lynch DEN
22:Mike Minter CAR
23:Nick Collins GNB
24:Marquand Manuel GNB
25:Robert Griffith ARI
26:Dwight Smith MIN
27:Michael Huff OAK
28:Terrence Holt DET
29:Troy Polamalu

[bk1998]

5:Stuart Schweigert OAK

27:Michael Huff OAK



Misnomers... these guys get lots of tackles due to the fact that they're on the field for 90% of the game.

[BK Arsonist]

Did anyone see how exposed Roy williams was 2 years ago and at the end of this year, Sean Taylor looked Horrible because of a Terrible Front 7 and even worse corners. However Mike Brown Plays with a Great Defense where ever one does there job and it lets Mike Brown only worry about doing his job, Same With Ed Reed. i like Mike Brown but im just saying stats don't tell the whole story


Well said!!! this gentleman is a smart man.

[BlItZeD4LiFe25]

It's already been established that stats don't mean a whole lot for DBs.

[vick777]

The Troy P Doesnt get alot of Tackles isnt a fair argument because he was hurt for a couple games this year.

[pitbull]

ok but are safeties supposed to end up with lots of tackles? if they are then there is something wrong. next year T.P. will be one of the leages best SS again. tackles for DB's means nothing, it's deflections, picks, and if they're like Troy or Adrian Wilson then sacks.

[BlItZeD4LiFe25]

ok but are safeties supposed to end up with lots of tackles? if they are then there is something wrong. next year T.P. will be one of the leages best SS again. tackles for DB's means nothing, it's deflections, picks, and if they're like Troy or Adrian Wilson then sacks.

See, some safeties are going to get more tackles than others because they're in the box and playing the run more than others.

Also, guys like Reed .. nobody throws at him .. so his opportunities for deflections/picks may be minimal compared to others.

I think the best way to compare DBs would be to find out how often they're thrown at .. how many times they actually turn incompletions into picks (and not drops) and how often they're burnt.

[bigred67385]

Hes way to injury prone to be a top safety. Thats like a Panther fan telling you Dan Morgan is one of the best LBs or a Falcon fan telling you Abraham is one of the best DEs (oh wait they actually do that) :)

[pitbull]

See, some safeties are going to get more tackles than others because they're in the box and playing the run more than others.

Also, guys like Reed .. nobody throws at him .. so his opportunities for deflections/picks may be minimal compared to others.

I think the best way to compare DBs would be to find out how often they're thrown at .. how many times they actually turn incompletions into picks (and not drops) and how often they're burnt.

yeah that sounds like a good way to compare DBs.

[rank is dumb]

The Troy P Doesnt get alot of Tackles isnt a fair argument because he was hurt for a couple games this year.


Yes he was hurt for a few games.. But these are TOTAL tackles not solo! This means that he is NOT finding his way to the ball as much as people think he does.. I can't even tell you how many games I watched and wondered where he was!! I hear all the hype about how good he is and I never hear his name or see him near the ball?

Its not like he's playing DEEP coverage. He's at the LOS almost every play! He should have more tackles. Problem is he gets out of position and misses alot of tackles! Don't get me wrong he is a good hitting safty with speed, and plays hard every down but when it comes to being a GOOD FOOTBALL PLAYER and understanding the game he is not one of the top saftys but some where in the Middle!

[CP]

Looks like Mike has a good argument to me, from the stats Brown is one of the best.

Mike.......good argument LOLOLOL. Right. Am Im totally positive about everything and Im not a hater either :o

[Dawknest20]

lol @ this thread

[CP]

You have turned into such a joke...we all know every Bears player is the greatest of all time. Ohh....and dont foget injuries per game because A PLAYER IS USELESS SITTING ON THE SIDELINE

Nah, every Bears player is top ten at their position, no matter what. This stupid formula where you "add up all they do" basically puts fumbles recovered on the same level of importance as interceptions, which surely makes a ton of sense

But wasnt this the same guy that used "formulas" to come up with the Bears being the 2nd best team in the league and Indianopolis being 11th?, then also said Peyton Manning didnt play well in the SB, although he consistently took what the defense gave him, but since he didnt put up 45 points on the Bears "vaunted", "wonderful" defense he didnt play well.

Howd his formulas work out then? All year he bragged about how great the Bears were and about how much he wanted to see Indy and how bad they were then looked like a total *** when they got totally dominated on national TV in the SB, and didnt even look like they belonged. Sometimes I wonder if Mike actually watches football, or just sits here and comes up with super dumb formulas all day.

Mike brown, according to his super dumb formula, is tied for the best safety in football lol, although you me and my sister knows that Ed Reed, Brian Dawkins, Polamalu and others are 100x better than him , considering they actually play more than 5 games a year :rolleyes:

[Bearfanmike20]

Nah, every Bears player is top ten at their position, no matter what. This stupid formula where you "add up all they do" basically puts fumbles recovered on the same level of importance as interceptions, which surely makes a ton of sense

But wasnt this the same guy that used "formulas" to come up with the Bears being the 2nd best team in the league and Indianopolis being 11th?, then also said Peyton Manning didnt play well in the SB, although he consistently took what the defense gave him, but since he didnt put up 45 points on the Bears "vaunted", "wonderful" defense he didnt play well.

Howd his formulas work out then? All year he bragged about how great the Bears were and about how much he wanted to see Indy and how bad they were then looked like a total *** when they got totally dominated on national TV in the SB, and didnt even look like they belonged. Sometimes I wonder if Mike actually watches football, or just sits here and comes up with super dumb formulas all day.

Mike brown, according to his super dumb formula, is tied for the best safety in football lol, although you me and my sister knows that Ed Reed, Brian Dawkins, Polamalu and others are 100x better than him , considering they actually play more than 5 games a year :rolleyes:


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This is what coming in second or third or last every year will do to you... :eek:

[CP]

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This is what coming in second or third or last every year will do to you... :eek:

Umm, when was the last time the Bears won anything. Hell even before this year, when was the last time the Bears won a playoff game??? :confused: From 1998 on through 2007, the Jets have been MORE successful than the Bears so I really dont see your point

PS: the sky is blue

[Bearfanmike20]

Umm, when was the last time the Bears won anything. Hell even before this year, when was the last time the Bears won a playoff game??? :confused: From 1998 on through 2007, the Jets have been MORE successful than the Bears so I really dont see your point

PS: the sky is blue


Hey the bears have been to the sb twice.. since the jets last have.... right??... ;)

Look you just love to hate.... you come out with "that guy sux..".. I point out stats to prove my point.. U just use the same old line of.... "Mike your a homer.. that player is garbage!!".. find me STATS or other PROOF that the player is garbage. Or... stop hating cause you cant.

Its not like I'm saying Chris harris is a top ten safety... The things that I say are not as FAR FECHED as you make them out to be.

[CP]

Hey the bears have been to the sb twice.. since the jets last have.... right??... ;)

Look you just love to hate.... you come out with "that guy sux..".. I point out stats to prove my point.. U just use the same old line of.... "Mike your a homer.. that player is garbage!!".. find me STATS or other PROOF that the player is garbage. Or... stop hating cause you cant.

Its not like I'm saying Chris harris is a top ten safety... The things that I say are not as FAR FECHED as you make them out to be.

Dude you add up averages that basically imply that fumbles recovered are juust as important as tackles and INTs and thats proof :rolleyes:

When did I say Mike was garbage? I love Mike Brown so I am not hating. Im just telling you the truth. Mike isnt garbage, but until he can prove to stay on the field he isnt the best safety in the league, hell even when hes healthy he isnt.

Your stats prove NOTHING. There isnt another person on this board who would call Mike Brown the best safety in the league. Ill tell you again, watch the games.

Yes the things you say are farfetched

"I wonder if Devin Hester can be our answer to Steve Smith"

"Vasher is a top 5 CB"

"Grossman is a very good QB"

"chicago has the best defense in the league"

I could go on until midnight but the things u do say are farfetched. This is just the most recent.

Stats prove Mike brown is the best safety in te league LOL. Ok. with a formula that implies that fumbles reocvered per game are just as important as tackles per game. Ok Mike :rolleyes:

[Bearfanmike20]

Dude you add up averages that basically imply that fumbles recovered are juust as important as tackles and INTs and thats proof :rolleyes:

When did I say Mike was garbage? I love Mike Brown so I am not hating. Im just telling you the truth. Mike isnt garbage, but until he can prove to stay on the field he isnt the best safety in the league, hell even when hes healthy he isnt.

Your stats prove NOTHING. There isnt another person on this board who would call Mike Brown the best safety in the league. Ill tell you again, watch the games.

Yes the things you say are farfetched

"I wonder if Devin Hester can be our answer to Steve Smith"

"Vasher is a top 5 CB"

"Grossman is a very good QB"

"chicago has the best defense in the league"

I could go on until midnight but the things u do say are farfetched. This is just the most recent.

Stats prove Mike brown is the best safety in te league LOL. Ok. with a formula that implies that fumbles reocvered per game are just as important as tackles per game. Ok Mike :rolleyes:
Brown was 4th in Fumbles recovered... so it didn't even help him..it hurt him... and being around the ball or having a nose for the ball on def... I'd have to disaggree and say that it is VERY important... Oh.. by the way where did brown rank in tackles among those safeties??...

I never said vasher was a top 5 corner..

when healthy the bears do have the best def in the nfl

Devin hester.. the key work is.. I wonder.. or could he be... not he is...

and.. Well I was wrong about rex... you got me there.

[CP]

Brown was 4th in Fumbles recovered... so it didn't even help him..it hurt him... and being around the ball or having a nose for the ball on def... I'd have to disaggree and say that it is VERY important... Oh.. by the way where did brown rank in tackles among those safeties??...

I never said vasher was a top 5 corner..

when healthy the bears do have the best def in the nfl

Devin hester.. the key work is.. I wonder.. or could he be... not he is...

and.. Well I was wrong about rex... you got me there.

My bad you said Vasher is "great" not top 5 but "great

the bears D is not the best in the NFL even when theyre "healthy". The Ravens defense is, PERIOD.

Just the fact that you even wonder that is dumb, but maybe you wouldnt see that.

I really dont give a **** where MB20 ranked in tackles. Hes not the best safety in the league or "tied" for it, I really dont care what your stupid as **** formula says

[QBStokes4]

ya i dont think stats are a good way to measure DBs


aka Champ Baily

[Dawknest20]

LOL, what's being argued ? That Mike Brown is a great safety ?

He is, he's actually a REAL good one when healthy, the problem is he's never healthy. That's why i'd take a couple of guys before him, mainly because they are very good, and have durability, not exactly because they're better.

[H1tStick]

Fumble recoveries are only about being in the right place at the right time. It's pure luck, not because someone has "a nose for the ball"...whatever the **** that is suposed to mean anyway. Also, stats arent a very good way to judge players......i know that sounds stupid but every player in the nfl is dependant on the people around him. If a runningback has a horrible line, and has no holes to run in and doesent get a ton of yardage, does that make him a lesser back? .....i know we are talking about defensive players here but im just saying stats lie alot of the time and if a players stats are the only thing you use to compare them, you are ignorant. Also, a players rep can stand for alot....people like Ed Reed dont get alot of balls thrown in their direction so unless you compare interceptions to times thrown at, the stat is really quite worthless.

[Dawknest20]

Fumble recoveries are only about being in the right place at the right time. It's pure luck, not because someone has "a nose for the ball"...whatever the **** that is suposed to mean anyway. Also, stats arent a very good way to judge players......i know that sounds stupid but every player in the nfl is dependant on the people around him. If a runningback has a horrible line, and has no holes to run in and doesent get a ton of yardage, does that make him a lesser back? .....i know we are talking about defensive players here but im just saying stats lie alot of the time and if a players stats are the only thing you use to compare them, you are ignorant. Also, a players rep can stand for alot....people like Ed Reed dont get alot of balls thrown in their direction so unless you compare interceptions to times thrown at, the stat is really quite worthless.
I agree about fumble recoveries, thats more about being in the right place at the right time more then having a nose for the ball. I think forced fumbles is a lot better stat then fumbles recovered...

[Bearfanmike20]

Fumble recoveries are only about being in the right place at the right time. It's pure luck, not because someone has "a nose for the ball"...whatever the **** that is suposed to mean anyway. Also, stats arent a very good way to judge players......i know that sounds stupid but every player in the nfl is dependant on the people around him. If a runningback has a horrible line, and has no holes to run in and doesent get a ton of yardage, does that make him a lesser back? .....i know we are talking about defensive players here but im just saying stats lie alot of the time and if a players stats are the only thing you use to compare them, you are ignorant. Also, a players rep can stand for alot....people like Ed Reed dont get alot of balls thrown in their direction so unless you compare interceptions to times thrown at, the stat is really quite worthless.

Not totally.. I would agree that a fumble actually occuring is a luck thing.. being around the ball will increase your chances of making a recovery.

Also.... how many times have you seen a guy with a clear shot at scooping up the ball and taking it for six, and the dope bounces it off his shoe and out of bounds... its not as easy as it looks so these guys deserve some credit if they have a knack for collecting the rock when somebody drops it.

[H1tStick]

Not totally.. I would agree that a fumble actually occuring is a luck thing.. being around the ball will increase your chances of making a recovery.

Also.... how many times have you seen a guy with a clear shot at scooping up the ball and taking it for six, and the dope bounces it off his shoe and out of bounds... its not as easy as it looks so these guys deserve some credit if they have a knack for collecting the rock when somebody drops it.
Thats just retarded. Your trying to tell me Brown has a knack for picking up a football?....your really reaching here:rolleyes:

[Bearfanmike20]

Thats just retarded. Your trying to tell me Brown has a knack for picking up a football?....your really reaching here:rolleyes:
He seems too... why is that soooo far fetched... some players are better at catching a football... and throwing a football.. why cant some players be better as scooping the rock??...

[bk1998]

He seems too... why is that soooo far fetched... some players are better at catching a football... and throwing a football.. why cant some players be better as scooping the rock??...

Fumble recoveries = worthless stat.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/FUMREC/2006/regular

[Bearfanmike20]

Fumble recoveries = worthless stat.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/FUMREC/2006/regular


ya.. of cours qb will lead the list.. botched snaps... hello...

let me roll a couple of footballs on the ground and see how many you can scoop and then tell me that its worthless..

Some guys have a knack for picking up all those fumbles.. some guys (leon lett) have a knack for not picking them up.

[bk1998]

ya.. of cours qb will lead the list.. botched snaps... hello...

let me roll a couple of footballs on the ground and see how many you can scoop and then tell me that its worthless..

Some guys have a knack for picking up all those fumbles.. some guys (leon lett) have a knack for not picking them up.

And yet, Leon Lett was one of the best defensive tackles of his time.

As I said, fumble recoveries = worthless stat.

[BlItZeD4LiFe25]

Let's not forget that the Bears have only led the league in FFs the past few years .. something that has given Brown plenty of opportunity to cash in on.

.. when on the field :rolleyes:

[Nevada_Ballin]

There's only one thing to say about this - any list that puts Brian Dawkins any lower than 2nd after the season he just had is pure nonsense & the author of the list should start seeking work in another area because they surely do not know football. Seeing that it has under-achieving, can't cover your grandma Roy Williams rated so high, i bet the author is also a Cowboy fan.... or possibly even a male cheerleader/member of the swim team for the university of texas.

that list is luddah....
.

[Bearfanmike20]

Let's not forget that the Bears have only led the league in FFs the past few years .. something that has given Brown plenty of opportunity to cash in on.

.. when on the field :rolleyes:
So which is it... He has loads of oportunities.. but never makes it on the field.. wouldn't that say that he is pretty affective when on the field??... since in the last 3 seasons he has not even played 16 games??... :eek:

[Pick You 0ff]

Mike Brown is a GREAT safety... He's a ball hawk! His only problem is that he can't stay healthy.. But when he's healthy.... watch out!

[TRUST_904]

There's only one thing to say about this - any list that puts Brian Dawkins any lower than 2nd after the season he just had is pure nonsense & the author of the list should start seeking work in another area because they surely do not know football. Seeing that it has under-achieving, can't cover your grandma Roy Williams rated so high, i bet the author is also a Cowboy fan.... or possibly even a male cheerleader/member of the swim team for the university of texas.

that list is luddah....
.

I agree...B-Dawk is the best safety in the game hands down.....

[CP]

Ok... for starters, if two guys are tied, the next guy is two spots lower. IE, A and B are tied for first, then the next guy C is third. There is no second.

And the MAJOR problem with this? You're assuming that fumble recoveries per game are just as important as interceptions per game. Come on. Seriously!

You need to weight ALL of the categories so that the important categories have more weight.

Fumble recoveries... blah. Forced fumbles are 10X more important than fumble recoveries.

Mike, I know you love to toss stats around, but I really don't think you know a whole lot about true statistical analysis.

Truer words have never been spoken. Mike is too simple minded when it comes to "analyzing" players

[Atrain7879]

Stats alone does not translate to being the best. Just look at this years playoff run and watch how 5'8 205lb Bob Sanders impacted the Colts Defense. Last time I checked they had the worst run defense in the league in the regular season and when the playoff came and Mr. Sanders came back they did a 720 degree turn. I mean if they played that way all year they would be up there with the Ravens and Pats. I think they should go in this order:


1. Bob Sanders
2. Ed Reed
3. Brian Dawkins
4. Sean Taylor
5. Adrian Wilson

[CP]

In fairness the Colts were helped by pretty horrid QB play that enabled to stack the box with no fear of getting beat deep since they faced only 1 respectable QB in the playoffs (Brady) and he as we all know has noone to throw to. Green is horrid, Grossman is the WORST QB IN THE NFL, and McNair isnt good anymore. you better be able to stop the run with 8 and 9 at the LOS

[kcchiefsno1]

In fairness the Colts were helped by pretty horrid QB play that enabled to stack the box with no fear of getting beat deep since they faced only 1 respectable QB in the playoffs (Brady) and he as we all know has noone to throw to. Green is horrid, Grossman is the WORST QB IN THE NFL, and McNair isnt good anymore. you better be able to stop the run with 8 and 9 at the LOS

that hurts man....coming to a sad realization, cancel or allow? :( :D

[Bearfanmike20]

In fairness the Colts were helped by pretty horrid QB play that enabled to stack the box with no fear of getting beat deep since they faced only 1 respectable QB in the playoffs (Brady) and he as we all know has noone to throw to. Green is horrid, Grossman is the WORST QB IN THE NFL, and McNair isnt good anymore. you better be able to stop the run with 8 and 9 at the LOS


LOL... ok... there isn't any overexagerating there...

I'm not on the rex wagon anymore... but... Id still take him before arron brooks or andrew walter... ;)

[kcchiefsno1]

LOL... ok... there isn't any overexagerating there...

I'm not on the rex wagon anymore... but... Id still take him before arron brooks or andrew walter... ;)
I never was on the rex wagon but he's still pretty much a first year starter. He shows some signs that he could become a good qb, only time will tell. But I agree I would take him over a lot of qb's in the league.

[realhawker]

The colts looked WAY different with Bob Sanders in there....

It's too hard to say anyone's is the clear cut best at safety.

[MonoxideChild]

it's not that hard, it just changes from week to week, with whoever is playing grossman.

[Bearfanmike20]

it's not that hard, it just changes from week to week, with whoever is playing grossman.
Unless you play for det.. buf.. sf.... nyg....or quite a few other teams.. LOL