Spread Offense Q and A (A brief run down of the guide)

[BigB]

This will be the post that we will talk about The Spread Offense. Once the guide release I will delete any other post that talks about the spread. Any plays, questions, and ideas you have will be talked about in this post. I want us to grow and talk about the scheme. Many people have used the spread for sometime and some out put from those guys along with Me and Squeeze will help us all in a whole with running the spread as well as the compression offense. So once the guide release we can all work in one post.


This is a brief overview of the guide. I wanted to make some changes as to how I wanted to do a guide. There are a few things that I want to get away from.

(1) Playbook breakdowns

I hate this to no end really. The main reason why is because the filmroom is a source for that type of stuff. Making your playcalling is the fun of Madden. This is what all top players take pride in is finding there own "O" and "D". I want to focus more on scheme. This is the thing that every player that win have. When I was hired Bert wanted me to do what I felt best served the community. I went to plenty of tourneys and have some of the best players in the WBC. The one thing that we all focused on was a game plan and a scheme. This is what all of my guides try to focus on. This is what me and Squeeze will strive for. The thing is that others may do is they will give plays and stuff like that. The thing about plays and glitchy play that once a person know the counter your done. The other thing is that when a guide is sold, everyone know the same thing you know. So now what is the fun in that? None. When you get the compression or the spread you get a scheme. Then you lab. Then you will get a feel for what you like to do and then make your own style. The one thing that God did was make each of us different. We all are good at one thing that others can't do. Use that to make something that is for you and by you. You need to find plays that work for you. You find a progression that work for you. You see what I mean. The Spread is a very basic scheme. It could be talked about in two pages really. Me and Squeeze gave you a brief overview and then in the last chapter we showed you both of our schemes that you can use. One is the one he used to make the final 8 10 times in the Madden Challenge. He also made it to the final 4 at the WBC tourney I had.


(2) Very brief and to the point

This guide is to the point. I have many pm's about reading man or zone. I also had pm's about heat, and all coverage. These are things that are covered in the guide. Loaded boxes and movement of defenders is also talked about. I also lay very heavy in being pro-active. Know you adjustments before you pick up the sticks. Many of you know your "O", but once a few adjustments are made we get smacked. Have this is mind when you read the guide.


(3) Preparing for next gen

The Spread and Compression guide are a platform that will be used in next gen. I wanted to focus less on things that work this yr., in hope of having a base for next yr. I do talk about things that work now. The thing is that I really didn't lay real heavy in those things. I showed you stuff that allow you to play next gen and get the same effect. Many people ask for a next gen guide. I will go next gen next yr. You have a team of guys that are providing you info there. Next season I will get with my lab partner Squeeze and we will break the game down where I will run compress and he will run spread. This way you can get the best of both worlds. So in the end, yes you can get this guide if you're playing next gen. Look at the scheme, not as much as the plays w/ formation shifts and other adjustments that I make in the guide.

All in all this is a nice guide and the last chapter is the one I like the most. Read the whole thing because there are key points in each section. Now if you're a top player then this is not a guide for you, unless you want to learn about the Spread as a change up. This will prevent those who buy my guides and then say something along the lines that "There isn't nothing ground breaking in it." LOL

Thank you all in advance for your support. Everyone here has been good to me and this is why I love to do these guides. Again, the compression scheme is the number one seller that is still selling at a high rate today. This is a two year run and I would like to take time out and thank you all. In advance remember when the guide release...there will be delays and problems. Please fill out a ticket, then in 2-3 business days no change...pm me. I need you email, name, and when you brought the item. Then I will send this stuff to Bert. If there is no change, please pm me again and do this daily. When I'm working I miss my pm's and then when I see them people are red hot at this point. I have no control on support. All I can do is call Bert and he will fix it.

Thank you again and let's get the spread thing crankin.

Please feel free to post questions and plays from playbooks. I will show this stuff in the filmroom as a follow up to both guides.

[blackram]

my question for you are the following: do you guys go over shotgun or single back formations? also any particular playbook you guys discuss?

[Mr.Squeeze]

my question for you are the following: do you guys go over shotgun or single back formations? also any particular playbook you guys discuss?


We go over mostly single back formations some shotgun and differnt playbooks.

[blackram]

thankz for the reply! looking forward to the new guide. hopefully i can apply some of these things for the madden 08. lol already looking ahead!:)

[Mr.Squeeze]

thankz for the reply! looking forward to the new guide. hopefully i can apply some of these things for the madden 08. lol already looking ahead!:)


The thing about a scheme is that it can work for you from year to year look at Big B compressions still works from year
to year the same can be said about the spread O. The thing
is when the new game comes out you just have to ajust to it.

[Jobroni_2001]

How much will the guide cost?. Will there be an add-on?

[BigB]

Bert pick a price after he look at the book. Price is per size of guide along with the info that is in the guide. This will be announce soon. Again, we need to get out of thing about "playbooks". We need to get into the mind set of "scheme". "Scheme" allows you to use any set or playbook. I only did a few plays from one playbook and that was detroit. I put some playbooks in a hat and detroit was the one that I pulled out. (I wanted to do NE) :mad:

[Jobroni_2001]

THNX. Looking forward to it.

[blondetom]

Again, we need to get out of thing about "playbooks". We need to get into the mind set of "scheme". "Scheme" allows you to use any set or playbook.

I totally agree with this 100% just because everyone wants the "hottest" playbook around no one every thinks to create a scheme (including me) I did have one going with the fullhouse on 05 but, Big B I have a question. I know I don't buy none of the VG products. But do you go with a playbook with all your favorite plays or base a scheme around favorite formations? I have been having trouble with this for the bast couple of years! For example all my favorite plays are in tenn playbook. I went and listed all my favorite plays and made a spreadsheet and tenn has the most. Now I did do a "scheme" around I-Form Tight Twins. But I wasn't in the flow with the rest of the pb. So I am all up in the air. Help a madden brother out with some tips If you don't care!

[TonyRomo9]

Will this guide work and be tested for the ps3?

Second q is can it be used effectively running with the boys

[Jobroni_2001]

No!-This guide if only for current-gen users. In the guide you will find current-gen playbooks and teams used.

YES!-With the solid ground game, and threats at WR the (Dallas) (Cow)boys will be top notch with this scheme. But once agian you will be laughed at if you dont have a current-gen system and you still buy the guide.

[Jobroni_2001]

When will the guide be relased? Can someone from staff please answer this question?

THNX in advance.

[Light's Out]

San Diego's playbook never seems to be featured in any of VG's releases. I know the Compression offense wouldn't be applicable with them because of the limited formations they possess, and there isn't any bunch formations. However, I run a mini compression out of my Weak I - Close; I have around 8 different plays from this set that allow me to really abuse the wide side of the field.

Big B, I would love to talk some X's and O's sometime; I too am extremely knowledgeable around Madden (playing since early 90's) and football (played and watched football since I was in diapers), having said that, I am always trying to learn anything new and innovative and essentially am a student of the game!

[Light's Out]

Bert pick a price after he look at the book. Price is per size of guide along with the info that is in the guide. This will be announce soon. Again, we need to get out of thing about "playbooks". We need to get into the mind set of "scheme". "Scheme" allows you to use any set or playbook. I only did a few plays from one playbook and that was detroit. I put some playbooks in a hat and detroit was the one that I pulled out. (I wanted to do NE) :mad:

I agree with you and BlondTom around this subject, if you learn scheme you can apply that to any playbook!

[Jobroni_2001]

When will the Spread guide be released?

[BigB]

Very good question.

I go with playbooks that have good pre-set audibles, and nice formation shifts. Like if I like the I Twins tight and the singleback 5 wide I would go with Tampa. This way I can formation shift to I Twins Tight when in I form, and I can formation shift to any singleback set to the 5 wide. What narrow my search is plays then. Like B More and Tampa have the I Twins Tight, but only of them have the 5 wide. So I would roll with tampa. I hope this helps you.

[BigB]

Will this guide work and be tested for the ps3?

Second q is can it be used effectively running with the boys


I didn't test it for the P3. The thing is that the scheme work the same. That was one of the main reasons why I tried to stay away with plays and formation shifting as much. The defense has to make a choice. Either you going to let me run or pass the ball. So on any unit it will work.

[BigB]

We can do that anytime slim. The spread would be better or get both. This way you can understand the schemes and use both at anytime. This isn't a guide...more so any of my guides are just for this yr. You can use the scheme every yr. Sqeeze said that he is running spread from the jump next yr. I'm running compression off the jump. I do every yr.

[hollywood 662]

Yo big are you going to do an interview on the spread like you did with the compression. That would be tight man.

[blackram]

thankz 4 putting out this guide!! i run with the rams and use pass bal. playbook and mostly about 90% of the time run tight slots formation. I don't have a question just wanted to thankz because it has help me add a few more plays 2 my game plan.. big ups!!

[BigB]

Yo big are you going to do an interview on the spread like you did with the compression. That would be tight man.

Bert told me yesterday that he was going to do one. ;)

[BigB]

thankz 4 putting out this guide!! i run with the rams and use pass bal. playbook and mostly about 90% of the time run tight slots formation. I don't have a question just wanted to thankz because it has help me add a few more plays 2 my game plan.. big ups!!

I'm glad that the guide helped you with you're game my man. Anytime at all.

So far the spread is doing very well. VG members have spoken again. Thank you all again for your support.

[MADDENADDICT]

I love this guide. Compression wasn't workin for me too much this year so I started to use a spread concept before the guide came out. It just helped me to connect the dots. How do you pull flat routes on PS2??

[Mr.Squeeze]

I love this guide. Compression wasn't workin for me too much this year so I started to use a spread concept before the guide came out. It just helped me to connect the dots. How do you pull flat routes on PS2??


Same as X-box come out in a set with a flat route then audible to another play then press up twice.

[Light's Out]

So I have two press up twice to enable the pulled route?

[Mr.Squeeze]

So I have two press up twice to enable the pulled route?


Yes I would alson pull a V route out the back to another thing is some flat route you cant pull into single back set
that have either R1 or black icon in the backfield for the running back

[MADDENADDICT]

I'm still not understanding how to pull routes on the PS2. What is the procedure step by step when I reach the line of scrimmage on the PS2? What buttons do I hit??




The guide is great by the way...I'm 3-0 using it playing cash games so far...

[sportfan88]

I'm still not understanding how to pull routes on the PS2. What is the procedure step by step when I reach the line of scrimmage on the PS2? What buttons do I hit??




The guide is great by the way...I'm 3-0 using it playing cash games so far...
Come out in the play you want to steal the routes from.

Audible to the play you want the routes to be in.

When you go to the line, push triangle up, then triangle up again.

[Light's Out]

Come out in the play you want to steal the routes from.

Audible to the play you want the routes to be in.

When you go to the line, push triangle up, then triangle up again.


Sportfan88,

Is it Triangle and up on the directional arrow or the analog stick (left or right)? And it is twice consectively?

So, if I come out in a set where I really like Tomlinson's route out of the backfield, I audible to another play and then Triangle up twice, hence I have just pulled LT's route from the initial play to the play I have audibled to?

Thanks in advance my man!

[Mr.Squeeze]

Sportfan88,

Is it Triangle and up on the directional arrow or the analog stick (left or right)? And it is twice consectively?

So, if I come out in a set where I really like Tomlinson's route out of the backfield, I audible to another play and then Triangle up twice, hence I have just pulled LT's route from the initial play to the play I have audibled to?

Thanks in advance my man!

Yes that is the key and will open of your O and is a must if you ask me.

[Young Nel]

triangle then up

triangle then up

now u have that HB route from the original play

[Light's Out]

Yes that is the key and will open of your O and is a must if you ask me.

Thanks bro, I appreciate it.

[Light's Out]

triangle then up

triangle then up

now u have that HB route from the original play

Yes sir, and I'm going to lab it tonight!

[Mr.Squeeze]

Thanks bro, I appreciate it.


No problem any time.

[Light's Out]

No problem any time.

I want to figure out how to use these pull routes with unique formations, audible, formation shifts, etc. Then they'll be deadly to use!

[Mr.Squeeze]

I want to figure out how to use these pull routes with unique formations, audible, formation shifts, etc. Then they'll be deadly to use!

You can pull them in just about any formation you just have to hit the lab and look.There are a few formations that
you can not pull them in what I mean by that is when you pull the route after you hike the ball there is no Icon to throw to.

[Light's Out]

Thanks for the heads up, man!

[themenace47]

the icon dissapears when the button used to throw is different

example in weak sets the button is r1 for the hb

but the hb is l1 in strong so it wont work

or is there a way that anyone knows of?

[StlnKC]

the icon dissapears when the button used to throw is different

example in weak sets the button is r1 for the hb

but the hb is l1 in strong so it wont work

or is there a way that anyone knows of?
you might have to put him on a delay.

[Mr.Squeeze]

you might have to put him on a delay.


This is true put the rb on a flat route in sets that dont let you pull them in the formation your trying to use.You must look through out your whole play book and find a flat route or v route that will work in any formation no matter what the icon is.

[themenace47]

squeeze are you the guy whos offense is featured in the spread guide?

that was pretty cool if so...

is it possible to pull any of the v routes in denver because im not having luck with them

theyre in the strong i which the icon is l1.

once the fb has 1 and hes r1

if i delay them first then the icon doesnt matter?? im going to try that right now but this has been a major source of frustration not having them in plays i like.

[themenace47]

that is so sweet its working!!!!

thanks for the delay tip stlnkc

that is gonna equate to 7 points a game right there... man its hard to defend that angle route especially from my new favorite play....lol

and inside the 10....

[BigB]

I'm very happy that everyone loved the guide. I also like the fact that Squeeze has came in and helped everyone.

[Mr.Squeeze]

squeeze are you the guy whos offense is featured in the spread guide?

that was pretty cool if so...

is it possible to pull any of the v routes in denver because im not having luck with them

theyre in the strong i which the icon is l1.

once the fb has 1 and hes r1

if i delay them first then the icon doesnt matter?? im going to try that right now but this has been a major source of frustration not having them in plays i like.

Yes that would be me my friend. What set or sets are you trying to pull them into let me know I will look at it for you just post it here.

[themenace47]

hey... the guides are nice... and i go through a section.. then practice what i learned ... proceed directly to an online game.... then forget it all in the clutch and get bombed on!!

lol the strategies are sound... i like that a lot, i spend hours just reading now...

a lot of my plays are in the compression ... and a lot of plays i wish i had too.

a lot of whats covered in the spread like the 5wr w/normal set and uncovered theory i had worked on in the past but now i am a lot more confident

anyway i was up till about 3 last night practicing pulling routes and messing with that pa command in general... there is a lot of fresh territory now... i cant believe in all these years i never noticed i could call a pa on any play.

i take the route from the strong i and pull it to sb big and the play fl corner with the flat/corner on 1 side and the post/zig on the other needed that angle to make it a legit short yardage play.

[Mr.Squeeze]

hey... the guides are nice... and i go through a section.. then practice what i learned ... proceed directly to an online game.... then forget it all in the clutch and get bombed on!!

lol the strategies are sound... i like that a lot, i spend hours just reading now...

a lot of my plays are in the compression ... and a lot of plays i wish i had too.

a lot of whats covered in the spread like the 5wr w/normal set and uncovered theory i had worked on in the past but now i am a lot more confident

anyway i was up till about 3 last night practicing pulling routes and messing with that pa command in general... there is a lot of fresh territory now... i cant believe in all these years i never noticed i could call a pa on any play.

i take the route from the strong i and pull it to sb big and the play fl corner with the flat/corner on 1 side and the post/zig on the other needed that angle to make it a legit short yardage play.

Glad your happy and finding suff on your own good work.

[MaddenSensa]

Thanks for a sneek peek at those playbooks, they will be a big help on my soon to be 360 madden.

[MADDENADDICT]

I am getting people I play to stop running zone and to go into man coverage. I am having a problem with beating man coverage with the blitz. What are some good man beating routes hot routes I can add to my game?

[coachkody]

when they man up your recievers, look first to the poun\d game. Force them to run blitz or at least get out of playing straight man. Good routes vs man/ blitz are the fade/drag or the slant. Use the uncovered receiver theory to read where thhey are blitzin and hot route the open receiver to a flat/ drag/ slat or quik out,

[MaddenSensa]

I could demolish the spread offense, any time, any place!

[coachkody]

Okasy... u try that vs. squeeze or big b and let me know the results!

[Mr.Squeeze]

I am getting people I play to stop running zone and to go into man coverage. I am having a problem with beating man coverage with the blitz. What are some good man beating routes hot routes I can add to my game?


Sorry for not being around we had a tournament this weekend.But what you need to do to beat the blitz in the spread is one always have a flat route in your spread if your running 4wr like i do out off Stl playbook you can filp it and the running back can work both sides of the field.Another thing is quick slants and post route to your slot wr read the bump try this in practice mode.

[BigB]

Okasy... u try that vs. squeeze or big b and let me know the results!

LOL I know that's right. LOL I woul dlike to thank everyone that enjoyed the guides. The people have spoken. Yo all found that scheme is better than plays broken down for that book. You need a scheme that allow you to be flexable when you're on the sticks.

[MMKevnic]

Hey Big B, did you ever do an interview for the spread guide like you did for the compression? If so, I would like to hear it. Can u tell me the link?

[MADDENADDICT]

I have a sucker that wants to play for 100 a game. I want to stake a player that is nice and uses the spread or compression offense, or whatever scheme. Let me know

[NezDogg]

Are any plays from the Jets PB in this guide? I loved LBZRules Spread Scheme in the Filmroom.

[reality77]

I just wanted to say that i love your guides the compression helped me go from
sucking to being pretty decent...i think that is the one guide thats a must have!
having said that i think i will buy the spread guide...
Q:
WHEN YALL LAB A BOOK WHAT PROCESS TO YOU USE?

the madden guides are cool but never helped my game much...i bought
the 06 and 07 guide and compression 301...
i still need alot of work...but i started playin madden in 06
so im way behind most cats in that area BUT the thing i have trouble with is
making sure i make my reads before i throw...sometimes when you
hear the pads hittin and the heat is coming you just panic and try to hit
your 1st or 2nd read which is usually the flats...the thing i really have trouble with
is getting to my 3rd read and backside read...

ALSO I TOOK THE PLAYS FROM THE GUIDE IN SEATTLE AND THATS MY
BASE OFFENSE IM ADDING TO IT NOW BUT I FEEL I NEED TO UNDERSTAND
SCHEME MORE LIKE YOU SAID...LIKE THE RULES WHAT ADJUSTMENTS TO MAKE AND WHEN...ETC...HOW OFTEN SHOULD I HR...ETC...

Q: SO WHAT ARE SOME RULES TO GO BY?

also how can i get a good pound with the seattle pb out
of the bunch swap formation?? or the tight doubles??
there are only like 2 run plays


Q: ALSO WHEN I READ THE FIELD SHOULD I READ THE RECIEVERS LIKE

Y,B,X

OR

just look at the areas of the field like middle flat outside....

ALSO...

IVE FOUND I COMPLETE A TON OF PASSES AND CHEW UP THE CLOCK AGAINST MY OPPONANTS BUT I HAVE A HARD TIME CREATING THE BIG PLAYS AND GETTING SIX SOMETIMES...ILL DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWNFIELD TO KICK A FG....LOL
so anyways any help would be appreciated im tryin 2 smack some heads in the name
of vg sports and the compression and spread offense...

[Light's Out]

Ah, the spread offense...the great equalizer for a superior defensive pass rush!

[DEATHPROVIDER]

In My Opinion You Should Master Both The Compression And The Spread And That Way You Can Adjust To However The Defense Chooses To Play You Compression Is Nice Because Of The Marrying Of The Routes And I Also Love The Spread Because It Makes It Very Easy To Read What The Defense Is Doing To You Its Nearly Impossible To Hide A Blitz Once You Spread The Defense Out So Really All You Need From There Is To Find Good Man Beating Routes And Abuse The Defense Up And Down The Field If They Play Zone Look To Go Deep

[DEATHPROVIDER]

I Just Want To Say Thanks To Squeeze Big B And Kobra Their Guides And Knowledge Have Helped Become A Much Better Player I Still Have A Ways To Go But The Information That They Have Provided To Us All Is Great I Buy All The Books And I Cant Wait To See What Books They Come Out With For 08

[Mr.Squeeze]

I just wanted to say that i love your guides the compression helped me go from
sucking to being pretty decent...i think that is the one guide thats a must have!
having said that i think i will buy the spread guide...
Q:
WHEN YALL LAB A BOOK WHAT PROCESS TO YOU USE?

the madden guides are cool but never helped my game much...i bought
the 06 and 07 guide and compression 301...
i still need alot of work...but i started playin madden in 06
so im way behind most cats in that area BUT the thing i have trouble with is
making sure i make my reads before i throw...sometimes when you
hear the pads hittin and the heat is coming you just panic and try to hit
your 1st or 2nd read which is usually the flats...the thing i really have trouble with
is getting to my 3rd read and backside read...

ALSO I TOOK THE PLAYS FROM THE GUIDE IN SEATTLE AND THATS MY
BASE OFFENSE IM ADDING TO IT NOW BUT I FEEL I NEED TO UNDERSTAND
SCHEME MORE LIKE YOU SAID...LIKE THE RULES WHAT ADJUSTMENTS TO MAKE AND WHEN...ETC...HOW OFTEN SHOULD I HR...ETC...

Q: SO WHAT ARE SOME RULES TO GO BY?

also how can i get a good pound with the seattle pb out
of the bunch swap formation?? or the tight doubles??
there are only like 2 run plays


Q: ALSO WHEN I READ THE FIELD SHOULD I READ THE RECIEVERS LIKE

Y,B,X

OR

just look at the areas of the field like middle flat outside....

ALSO...

IVE FOUND I COMPLETE A TON OF PASSES AND CHEW UP THE CLOCK AGAINST MY OPPONANTS BUT I HAVE A HARD TIME CREATING THE BIG PLAYS AND GETTING SIX SOMETIMES...ILL DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWNFIELD TO KICK A FG....LOL
so anyways any help would be appreciated im tryin 2 smack some heads in the name
of vg sports and the compression and spread offense...


1.When labing a book try to come up with sets that work together thats if your playing on cg alway check your pre set audibles in any formation that you run ,I am a firm believer that if a audible is in your pre-set audibles dont waste on it.This will help you with formation shifting and stuff like that and is key to any offense.


2.Rules that you should go by win running any offense is when haveing any play I like to have atleast 2 WR 3 is better, I like this cause can hit on any givin play that way a pereson would have to worry about more than one WR on that play.The only time I would use a play where I can only hit one WR is a real good money play for alot of yards down field.


3.When reading the D I would say read flat middle then deep this goes for most plays, witch ever WR come's open first.You can learn this by studying your routes in the lab and in onlline game play.

4.Going deep can be set up by killing the person your playing underneath all day with routes,but can be hard if you dont have a fast Wr to burn them deep this is when you have to throw the ball deep and user catch down field if you dont have a burner.

The last thing is when runing the single back set's I would keep a slam in my audibles to formation shift to tight doubles and the bunch swap.

[Mr.Squeeze]

I Just Want To Say Thanks To Squeeze Big B And Kobra Their Guides And Knowledge Have Helped Become A Much Better Player I Still Have A Ways To Go But The Information That They Have Provided To Us All Is Great I Buy All The Books And I Cant Wait To See What Books They Come Out With For 08


Thanks alot for your support .

[BigB]

1.When labing a book try to come up with sets that work together thats if your playing on cg alway check your pre set audibles in any formation that you run ,I am a firm believer that if a audible is in your pre-set audibles dont waste on it.This will help you with formation shifting and stuff like that and is key to any offense.


2.Rules that you should go by win running any offense is when haveing any play I like to have atleast 2 WR 3 is better, I like this cause can hit on any givin play that way a pereson would have to worry about more than one WR on that play.The only time I would use a play where I can only hit one WR is a real good money play for alot of yards down field.


3.When reading the D I would say read flat middle then deep this goes for most plays, witch ever WR come's open first.You can learn this by studying your routes in the lab and in onlline game play.

4.Going deep can be set up by killing the person your playing underneath all day with routes,but can be hard if you dont have a fast Wr to burn them deep this is when you have to throw the ball deep and user catch down field if you dont have a burner.

The last thing is when runing the single back set's I would keep a slam in my audibles to formation shift to tight doubles and the bunch swap.


Squeeze my man has hit it on the nose.

[reality77]

ha!!!! i played death provider online last night (didnt know he was a fellow vg head until after the game) and let me say the dude is cold...
he has almost 2,000 o-line games, and ranks high on the leaderboards...he also runs a great compression and spread with the oak playbook...

maybe he should be vg staff!

[Mr.Squeeze]

ha!!!! i played death provider online last night (didnt know he was a fellow vg head until after the game) and let me say the dude is cold...
he has almost 2,000 o-line games, and ranks high on the leaderboards...he also runs a great compression and spread with the oak playbook...

maybe he should be vg staff!


Lol I gues he is doing goood with compression and the spread books.

[reality77]

yeah he just formed a o-line club that im part of....watch out!!
we gettin ready 2 smack some heads with the compression and spread!



but on a serious note not that i wasnt serious about smakin heads...

I NEED SOME HELP ON DEFENSE....

i run either a 3-4 or a nickel 2-4-5 as my base
you got any help sqeeze? like what kind of things do you do for your
base and then what adjustments do you make if you need 2 take away certain things?

[BigB]

what do you have problems with? Vs. the run or the pass?

[Mr.Squeeze]

yeah he just formed a o-line club that im part of....watch out!!
we gettin ready 2 smack some heads with the compression and spread!



but on a serious note not that i wasnt serious about smakin heads...

I NEED SOME HELP ON DEFENSE....

i run either a 3-4 or a nickel 2-4-5 as my base
you got any help sqeeze? like what kind of things do you do for your
base and then what adjustments do you make if you need 2 take away certain things?

What system CG or NG this makes a big differnce.

[hollywood 662]

This maybe dumb but how do i counter people that tightend down their dline in a 4 man front. They manual the lb and scrap side to side. My run plays are stretch and hb slam in a 4 wide set. They do this to clog up every gap and make me run it outside.ps2

[BigB]

Pretty much that what I would do or use motion to run up the gut. Now you have a blocker up front. Check it out. Let's say there are in man. Now when you use the motion this would be a nice way to pop a toss outside. Now if it's zone this would allow you to have a person block without dragging someone to your gap. Now the key is to use the smae motion everytime w/ some passing plays to make them think then react. The name of the game is being proactive and make them pause for that one second. Then lab adjustments that the defense will make to stop you. Guys that play Madden make me laugh at times. They won't come out of something even if you kill it. They just over-adjust and try to make something happen. Use this to your advantage. That 3 man rush I showed that Big Game James gave me is used by many every single down. Now I know your saying "what that have to do with anything..", but hear me out. The key here is that you know that most Madden players are very lazy. They use the same stuff others use, and many have no counter beyond what they have swiped. Now you will face some of that too. You hit the lab and work on some counters to what we are talking about. Then go online a play a few people. Play good and bad people. You will be surprised that many non-tourney people have weird ways of stopping things and they may show you another way to slow down your scheme. Top players adjust quickly. Now you have a 4 wide scheme that you labbed and have some options at how to attack them before they can make any moves.

This motion thing was my motion offensive scheme that I use to use. For people to sit on the motion glitch and for me to expose the areas that they leave open trying to defend the motion. Use this to help your running game. They will look at your tendencies and when all of them are the same they will be confused at what is coming down the pike.

Good Luck

Big Bizzle

[reality77]

what do you have problems with? Vs. the run or the pass?


well mainly the pass...im on current gen...

and i get beat deep on pa pass alot too even when i blitz the heat doesnt get there in time...the inside run ive been stuffing with the 46...the outside and misdirection and
counter plays give me trouble...but i average like 35 points per game but i give up like
40 alot of the time...i really need help on defense! i try shading my safeties on 2 man under and i still get beat deep alot...i guess i just need help knowing what kind of adjustments to make to take away different passing attacks etc...and my stick skills need work i get gold on the pass swat drills but in a game i suck at defending most passes period....ive been playing online alot and the comression works real good but
defense wins championships...

[reality77]

is anyone going to answer my question? please big-b or squeeze...

by the way i switched to the 46 bear defense this week with the pats
any suggestions on how to run the 46?

i find i get killed against the spread with it but i want to find a way to stay in it
cuz the pressure you generate is nuts!

i realize now there are really only
3 things a player can do well 4 passing

1-deep

2. mid

3. flats

4. screen

and pa if you count that

what are the best counters to take away these different tendancies?

ive also been doing the swat drill like crazy and the pass skills drill on
new 08 on cg....yes im on cg...i hate next gen unless ive been drinking and its for fun...jk (sorta)

[Mr.Squeeze]

is anyone going to answer my question? please big-b or squeeze...

by the way i switched to the 46 bear defense this week with the pats
any suggestions on how to run the 46?

i find i get killed against the spread with it but i want to find a way to stay in it
cuz the pressure you generate is nuts!

i realize now there are really only
3 things a player can do well 4 passing

1-deep

2. mid

3. flats

4. screen

and pa if you count that

what are the best counters to take away these different tendancies?

ive also been doing the swat drill like crazy and the pass skills drill on
new 08 on cg....yes im on cg...i hate next gen unless ive been drinking and its for fun...jk (sorta)


The spread kill's the 46 I know when I run my spread on CG I have know problem with 46 at all cause you can tell when the blitz is coming from.Also quick passes to the slot WR's in spread is a killer.

Another thing is I dont run 46 at all on cg on ng I do some thats cause the deep ball is not as deadly as it is on cg.

[hollywood 662]

The spread kill's the 46 I know when I run my spread on CG I have know problem with 36 at all cause you can tell when the blitz is coming from.Also I would at quick passes to the slot WR for the spread this is killa.

Another thing is I dont run 46 at all on cg on ng I do some thats cause the deep ball is not as deadly as it is on cg. When you say quick passes from the spread you mean like the write up big b gave us a week ago spread 101. Or do you mean the hike throw quick pass. My spread is slowly coming around but it aint to the point where i would say this is what i hang my hat on i kind of use it as a change up. i just need to break down and get the spread guide so i can get the concepts down.

[Mr.Squeeze]

When you say quick passes from the spread you mean like the write up big b gave us a week ago spread 101. Or do you mean the hike throw quick pass. My spread is slowly coming around but it aint to the point where i would say this is what i hang my hat on i kind of use it as a change up. i just need to break down and get the spread guide so i can get the concepts down.


When I run the spread I have quick passes that I throw to all my wr in the slot and the outside.I am doing a spread guide for CG this year at it will cover all quick reads from slot wr our you FL and SL on the outside.

[reality77]

The spread kill's the 46 I know when I run my spread on CG I have know problem with 36 at all cause you can tell when the blitz is coming from.Also I would at quick passes to the slot WR for the spread this is killa.

Another thing is I dont run 46 at all on cg on ng I do some thats cause the deep ball is not as deadly as it is on cg.



Thanks for the heads up...ummm i still wanted some defensive help cause you guys are
so genius on the offensive side of the ball...im sure your d is off the chain as well...


so if you can help me that would be awesome...i know a little but im not great...
i use 2 man deep alot but i still get burned deep and it really P----s me off!!
i know cobra uses the 46 some even against the spread which is what gave me the idea to use it that and when i played death provider he was in 46 and his defense was tough....
so i asked him what his fav scheme was and he said 46 bear and he liked the
cobra pistols play....
i was running compression vs. him and did have some success i just got outscored....
anyways thats that....i dont know i guess i need 2 know how to adjust and take away certain things like....this guy i played o line today kept motioning and flipping alot and fast and then would hit his se deep for huge gains and i was in 2 man under the se would just be WIDE OPEN DEEP....i was like what the hell is going on...anyways i dont know JUST HELP A BALLA OUT...LOL

[Mr.Squeeze]

Thanks for the heads up...ummm i still wanted some defensive help cause you guys are
so genius on the offensive side of the ball...im sure your d is off the chain as well...


so if you can help me that would be awesome...i know a little but im not great...
i use 2 man deep alot but i still get burned deep and it really P----s me off!!
i know cobra uses the 46 some even against the spread which is what gave me the idea to use it that and when i played death provider he was in 46 and his defense was tough....
so i asked him what his fav scheme was and he said 46 bear and he liked the
cobra pistols play....
i was running compression vs. him and did have some success i just got outscored....
anyways thats that....i dont know i guess i need 2 know how to adjust and take away certain things like....this guy i played o line today kept motioning and flipping alot and fast and then would hit his se deep for huge gains and i was in 2 man under the se would just be WIDE OPEN DEEP....i was like what the hell is going on...anyways i dont know JUST HELP A BALLA OUT...LOL

Defense on CG is about makeing ajustments with all coverage for the most part cause it's so hard to head someone up on that game.You can try to heat them up but once you see that it doesnt work thats when the F@g d come into play sitting on tendency's thats a big part in playing defense.Like I was saying before I dont use the 46 at all and it would be hard for me to learn that now with me jumping back and forth from NG and CG plus working my regular job vg etc its ruff makes me wish there was more days in the week lol.

[cheeseheadWI]

Is Vg putting out a spread book for 08- or should I just get the one from last year? Is there one play book that the spread is based out of ? ( 07 version) thanks

[Mr.Squeeze]

Is Vg putting out a spread book for 08- or should I just get the one from last year? Is there one play book that the spread is based out of ? ( 07 version) thanks


Well Big B is puting out a spread guide for next gen and I am puting out one for CG called spreak attack for ps2/xbox/pc.

[reality77]

Well Big B is puting out a spread guide for next gen and I am puting out one for CG called spreak attack for ps2/xbox/pc.


cant wait for that guide...


i wish yall would make defense for dummies...

[reality77]

Defense on CG is about makeing ajustments with all coverage for the most part cause it's so hard to head someone up on that game.You can try to heat them up but once you see that it doesnt work thats when the F@g d come into play sitting on tendency's thats a big part in playing defense.Like I was saying before I dont use the 46 at all and it would be hard for me to learn that now with me jumping back and forth from NG and CG plus working my regular job vg etc its ruff makes me wish there was more days in the week lol.



when you play all coverage you give them all day though...
and on top of that it seems the long ball is a threat no matter what on cg...

heres a good example today i played o-line vs. bengals i was pats....
1st play of the game
i called double z from the 4-3 cuz i knew he was going to chad I ALSO SPOTLIGHTED JOHNSON....AND GUESS WHAT? he threw like a 70 yard td pass to johnson on a streak!
i wasnt even in position to swat when i clicked on...what are we supposed to do call quarters prevent as our base d?

[Mr.Squeeze]

when you play all coverage you give them all day though...
and on top of that it seems the long ball is a threat no matter what on cg...

heres a good example today i played o-line vs. bengals i was pats....
1st play of the game
i called double z from the 4-3 cuz i knew he was going to chad I ALSO SPOTLIGHTED JOHNSON....AND GUESS WHAT? he threw like a 70 yard td pass to johnson on a streak!
i wasnt even in position to swat when i clicked on...what are we supposed to do call quarters prevent as our base d?


One thing I will tell you is when you call a defense like that where he is doubled do not ever let the saftey thats doubleing the wr go on top of him,what I mean is to let him man up on him like the corner does.Also if you have a slow saftey that doesnt help,so him you double him put the guy up and inside.

As far as playing all coverage if you play any good player that has his offense down where you cant blitz him your not going to have know choice but to play that.This is all because of the random blitz angles that are on CG and with the game being so close to last year that doesnt help to.However I am still working on defense for CG I put one in the film room last week and I am also going to put another one in this week.

[reality77]

One thing I will tell you is when you call a defense like that where he is doubled do not ever let the saftey thats doubleing the wr go on top of him,what I mean is to let him man up on him like the corner does.Also if you have a slow saftey that doesnt help,so him you double him put the guy up and inside.

As far as playing all coverage if you play any good player that has his offense down where you cant blitz him your not going to have know choice but to play that.This is all because of the random blitz angles that are on CG and with the game being so close to last year that doesnt help to.However I am still working on defense for CG I put one in the film room last week and I am also going to put another one in this week.


OK COOL SO IM GOING 2 START A ALL COVERAGE THREAD AND LETS POST SOME GOOD ALL COVERAGE D IN THERE...I MEAN I KNOW WE ALL HATE IT BUT OH WELL...
PEOPLE ALWAYS GO ALL COVERAGE ON ME CUZ THE COMPRESSION ABSOLUTELY KILLS HEAT!!!! AND I KNOW DELAY ROUTES ETC ARE SUPPOSED 2 WORK BUT MAN I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH ALL COVERAGE THEN THEY RUN COMMIT YOU WHEN YOU POUND!!!
AND I GUESS IM JUST GRIPPING (IVE LOST 2 MUCH LATELY) BUT I RUN THE SPREAD SOME (NOT MUCH) BUT I WILL SPREAD THEM OUT AND THEN THE BOX IS ALL EMPTY AND AUDIBLE 2 A HB SLAM AND LOW AND BEHOLD THEY MANAGE 2 TACKLE ME AFTER 2 YARDS NOT ALL THE TIME BUT QUITE A BIT...

[Mr.Squeeze]

OK COOL SO IM GOING 2 START A ALL COVERAGE THREAD AND LETS POST SOME GOOD ALL COVERAGE D IN THERE...I MEAN I KNOW WE ALL HATE IT BUT OH WELL...
PEOPLE ALWAYS GO ALL COVERAGE ON ME CUZ THE COMPRESSION ABSOLUTELY KILLS HEAT!!!! AND I KNOW DELAY ROUTES ETC ARE SUPPOSED 2 WORK BUT MAN I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH ALL COVERAGE THEN THEY RUN COMMIT YOU WHEN YOU POUND!!!
AND I GUESS IM JUST GRIPPING (IVE LOST 2 MUCH LATELY) BUT I RUN THE SPREAD SOME (NOT MUCH) BUT I WILL SPREAD THEM OUT AND THEN THE BOX IS ALL EMPTY AND AUDIBLE 2 A HB SLAM AND LOW AND BEHOLD THEY MANAGE 2 TACKLE ME AFTER 2 YARDS NOT ALL THE TIME BUT QUITE A BIT...


Lol I see you get your fair share of it two thats what happens when you have a good offense.

[BigB]

When you say quick passes from the spread you mean like the write up big b gave us a week ago spread 101. Or do you mean the hike throw quick pass. My spread is slowly coming around but it aint to the point where i would say this is what i hang my hat on i kind of use it as a change up. i just need to break down and get the spread guide so i can get the concepts down.


Yeah like the play I showed. The thing is that you must hit the un-covered guy. You must make them respect all players on the field. A close friend of me and Squeeze was talking one day and he said something that was true to form. He said that when he see that no one is throwing to a certain player he will put them in coverage on someone else or send them in. This is a very important tip here. This is the reason why you need to hit all players when and if they are un-covered...regardless of gain. (Unless were are talking about down and distance.) People that are good will take account of the fact that you're only looking to certain people or an area. This is a guide tip and one that all of us need to be aware of.

[reality77]

ok well i just wanted everyone 2 share their fav. spread plays...

well i tried 2 switch 2 the stl- playbook but im hooked
on seattle still so...

one play i like 2 run in the 4wr spread set is the 949 yara...

this play has the hb in the flats the flanker on a streak and the slots on curl routes

i keep a hb slam in my audibles on here so if they man all my recievers up and
keep their safeties deep i can "give them some poundcake" as big b would say it...

if they dont man up one of my slots i can usually snap and throw but if the person has stick or are running tricky zone i will hr the sl on a fade or a drag and hit them that way
the progression on this play is easy...

just flats, middle, outside