Re: Hit Stick

[Squeeze Jr.]

I played this guy last night that played with the saints and I ran my FB out of the backfield and tried to truck his free safety and his saftey hit my FB and made him spend and he fumbled the ball. I thought to myself how did he do this? Can someone help me out with this? I normally use the Carolina Panthers and I wondered if he used some cheat card on XBox360? I also, notice that my guy's fumbled more than normal and I didn't qite understand that? Any help in this area would be appreciated. If you are able to hit a player to spend him around like that, in what direction do you move the hit stick? Perhaps it depends on high impact players?


Pastor P

[ZestyChicken]

I played this guy last night that played with the saints and I ran my FB out of the backfield and tried to truck his free safety and his saftey hit my FB and made him spend and he fumbled the ball. I thought to myself how did he do this? Can someone help me out with this? I normally use the Carolina Panthers and I wondered if he used some cheat card on XBox360? I also, notice that my guy's fumbled more than normal and I didn't qite understand that? Any help in this area would be appreciated. If you are able to hit a player to spend him around like that, in what direction do you move the hit stick? Perhaps it depends on high impact players?


Pastor P

Yeah, the guy used a hitstick tackle on you (R-stick in the direction of the ballcarrier). Perfectly legal, just some guys out there are fantastic at it and some stink at it. In general, your strong safeties and linebackers are going to be more effective at hitsticking than corners. To avoid fumbling, there are a number of strategies.

First - and I ALWAYS do this when passing over the middle - is to cover up. I want to say that's the right button (not trigger) on the 360 - check out the manual to make sure. This will prevent fumbles the great majority of the time.

Second, when running the ball, avoid the singleback runs up the middle with speed backs. A good player will light you up everytime and sooner or later out will pop the ball. Use a lead blocker and stay away from the player controlled man. Also, don't sprint right from the snap. Wait until you have an opening. Sprint + getting hitsticked = fumble.

Third, you can use moves on these guys. With a power back, you can truck a guy who is trying to hitstick you most of the time. You can also put a move on him (spin) or juke. This is higher risk, but if you time it right you can leave him grasping for air. I have had people tell me that if you use R+up (truck for power back, juke for speed back), it cancels out the hitstick. That hasn't necessarily been my experience, but could be true. Perhaps a guy who plays a more run oriented game will have some more input.

[Michura]

It also depends on where he hits you. If he hits you on the side that your player is carrying the ball, then he is more likely to fumble.

But as stated above, cover up when you are about to get hit. This will cause your player to slow down and possibly miss a chance at a biger gain but turnovers are so huge in this game.

[Squeeze Jr.]

Yeah, the guy used a hitstick tackle on you (R-pad in the direction of the ballcarrier). Perfectly legal, just some guys out there are fantastic at it and some stink at it. In general, your strong safeties and linebackers are going to be more effective at hitsticking than corners. To avoid fumbling, there are a number of strategies.

First - and I ALWAYS do this when passing over the middle - is to cover up. I want to say that's the right button (not trigger) on the 360 - check out the manual to make sure. This will prevent fumbles the great majority of the time.

Second, when running the ball, avoid the singleback runs up the middle with speed backs. A good player will light you up everytime and sooner or later out will pop the ball. Use a lead blocker and stay away from the player controlled man. Also, don't sprint right from the snap. Wait until you have an opening. Sprint + getting hitsticked = fumble.

Third, you can use moves on these guys. With a power back, you can truck a guy who is trying to hitstick you most of the time. You can also put a move on him (spin) or juke. This is higher risk, but if you time it right you can leave him grasping for air. I have had people tell me that if you use R+up (truck for power back, juke for speed back), it cancels out the hitstick. That hasn't necessarily been my experience, but could be true. Perhaps a guy who plays a more run oriented game will have some more input.

Zesty, any idea on how to do the diving hit in the air? I been practicing this hit but I don't quite have it down. Any idea's? Does it have anything to do with the direction you pull the hit stick?

[ZestyChicken]

Zesty, any idea on how to do the diving hit in the air? I been practicing this hit but I don't quite have it down. Any idea's? Does it have anything to do with the direction you pull the hit stick?

To my knowledge, you can't dive and then hitstick. To tackle, you either dive, just run into the ball carrier, or you hitstick. You just run right up to the guy and hitstick (right stick) in his direction just before you make contact. You'll see different animations for the tackle and the ball carrier will go down very, very fast. You'll know when you do it. There is definitely an art to it.

If you want to practice it, you can do the LB Challenge drill where you stuff the RB. Or you can just do normal practice and take one of the LBers or a safety. Make the offense run a singleback set, say hb dive or something where there is an obvious hole you can wait to develop and then charge through and lay the wood.

[Squeeze Jr.]

To my knowledge, you can't dive and then hitstick. To tackle, you either dive, just run into the ball carrier, or you hitstick. You just run right up to the guy and hitstick (right stick) in his direction just before you make contact. You'll see different animations for the tackle and the ball carrier will go down very, very fast. You'll know when you do it. There is definitely an art to it.

If you want to practice it, you can do the LB Challenge drill where you stuff the RB. Or you can just do normal practice and take one of the LBers or a safety. Make the offense run a singleback set, say hb dive or something where there is an obvious hole you can wait to develop and then charge through and lay the wood.


Zesty, you were talking about using the right pad instead of using the right stick to hit. Why do you suggest using the right pad instead of the right stick?

[ZestyChicken]

Zesty, you were talking about using the right pad instead of using the right stick to hit. Why do you suggest using the right pad instead of the right stick?

Are you putting me on? There is no right pad (on the 360 at least). It's the right stick.

[Squeeze Jr.]

Are you putting me on? There is no right pad (on the 360 at least). It's the right stick.

I'm talking about the D-pad on the controller. You have a left stick and a right stick and a D-Pad. Is that what you were talking about when you hit someone? If you were, I was wondering how you could do that instead of using the right hit stick. Are you talking about using the D-Pad to hit with?

Pastor P

[Squeeze Jr.]

It also depends on where he hits you. If he hits you on the side that your player is carrying the ball, then he is more likely to fumble.

But as stated above, cover up when you are about to get hit. This will cause your player to slow down and possibly miss a chance at a biger gain but turnovers are so huge in this game.

J, do you know how to do a diving hit in the air? If so, can you tell me how to do this.

[ZestyChicken]

I'm talking about the D-pad on the controller. You have a left stick and a right stick and a D-Pad. Is that what you were talking about when you hit someone? If you were, I was wondering how you could do that instead of using the right hit stick. Are you talking about using the D-Pad to hit with?

Pastor P

The D pad just moves the player around. The right stick is the hit stick. The flying tackle is just an animation you see when you throw the hitstick. There is also the diving tackle which is using x.

Read your manual.

[Michura]

You have to dive at him using X before he lands. This can be pretty effective near the sidelines as Madden doesn't take force-outs into account.

[Nissi Man]

The D pad just moves the player around. The right stick is the hit stick. The flying tackle is just an animation you see when you throw the hitstick. There is also the diving tackle which is using x.

Read your manual.

Pastor P, check this out. I know how to do the diving hit stick like you ask. There are quite a few nasty hits outside of the diving hit stick that will make them cough the ball up about 95% of the time if you do it right. Don't listen to the other guy. What you are looking for is not in the manual. He doesn't know what he is talking about. Give me your e-mail address and I will give you at least seven of the fifteen nasty hit's that I know about. I will keep the other eight for myself. They are all legal and it is nothing wrong with laying the wood. By the way the guy you played the other night that had the Saints was me. You play a good game. You had me nervous a little bit. Sorry, about the nasty licks but a baller is got to do, what a baller is got to do. Let's hook up and play more. We can learn more from each other. I like the way you pound the rock in your run game. Your passing game is scary. I have never seen anyone use Delome like that...your passing game is tight! Hit me up brother and let's exchange tips.

Nissi Man
AKA Knock Out Punch!!:D

[ugotpimped415]

heh... i never realized that there were different ways of using the hitstick... i definitely would wanna know, my defense could use more turnovers.

[Squeeze Jr.]

Pastor P, check this out. I know how to do the diving hit stick like you ask. There are quite a few nasty hits outside of the diving hit stick that will make them cough the ball up about 95% of the time if you do it right. Don't listen to the other guy. What you are looking for is not in the manual. He doesn't know what he is talking about. Give me your e-mail address and I will give you at least seven of the fifteen nasty hit's that I know about. I will keep the other eight for myself. They are all legal and it is nothing wrong with laying the wood. By the way the guy you played the other night that had the Saints was me. You play a good game. You had me nervous a little bit. Sorry, about the nasty licks but a baller is got to do, what a baller is got to do. Let's hook up and play more. We can learn more from each other. I like the way you pound the rock in your run game. Your passing game is scary. I have never seen anyone use Delome like that...your passing game is tight! Hit me up brother and let's exchange tips.

Nissi Man
AKA Knock Out Punch!!:D



Nissi man, I appreciate the help man. Hey! those was some pretty good licks. I was like, how can you hit that hard with a corner back? I am talking about the hit you put on my full back when I tried to truck your corner back. Check this out... can you go to my private e-mail here at VG and leave those tips there? I appreciate the game. I didn't know the guy that was hitting that hard was you. Any help! would be appreciated. I knew that it had to be a way to do this hit. When I saw your running back dive in the air after I intercepted the pass and hit my safety and made him cough it up. I knew then that it was going to be a long game. I didn't know that the Saints defense could hit like that. Let's try to hook-up and play this weekend. I'd like to try to redeem myself. If you can give me seven of the fifteen that's cool with me. I'd take four of the fifteen. Because, the licks that you were putting on my backs and receivers was unreal.

Pastor P

[ZestyChicken]

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Ths above file shows the animation I think you were asking about PastorP (may take a sec to load due to size). Yes, this is just a basic hitstick (right stick). I have to admit, I get this animation maybe 1 out of 10 successful hitsticks. I believe it's mostly about how far you are from the ballcarrier and your body position relative to him. You can see Roy is coming in on an angle on Westy. With this particular animation, you do tend to see more fumbles than with the other hitstick animations.

Here's how I practiced hitsticking, btw. I had the Eagles run GL - HB Off Tackle and I ran GL - Jam Middle. I then take Roy and just run to the hole and hope to beat the FB there. It's pretty good practice, because the Off tackle play is much beloved. One thing I did discover is that you can only hitstick in 4 directions - straight down (which will be used the most), straight up, straight right, and straight left. You can't hitstick at an angle - you'll miss or the controller will just ignore your input.

As for 15 different tackles, I just have a hard time believing anyone has that much control because it depends on what the other guy is doing and the closing speeds are so quick, you don't have that much time to finesse things. Certainly there are guys who are awesome at it, and some not so much.

[CONCEDE]

Yea, i dont know about 15 different animations...

[ZestyChicken]

Yea, i dont know about 15 different animations...

He had me going for a bit until I realized he was FOS. I do wish I was better with the hitstick, though...

[Squeeze Jr.]

He had me going for a bit until I realized he was FOS. I do wish I was better with the hitstick, though...

Zesty, as much as i would like to say this guy was wrong, he isn't. It is more than pulling the hit stick left, right or up and down. The one you posted is one of the hit's that he is talking about. But the diving hit stick that he showed me is deadly. He also, showed me one were you can strip the ball if the running back try's to go up the middle allot. He showed me seven of them and they do work. I wasn't as good at doing this because, I have never practice this stuff. Whether there are 15 or not. I don't know but I do know that he gave me seven and they are fatal. I was like dang this stuff really works. He has been doing it longer so of course he should be pretty good. But I am going to practice this stuff before I play him again this weekend. This is going to take my defense to a another level. By the way...angle has nothing to do with the hit that you posted. It has everything to do with distance an your stick motion. It's about angles on your stick and how much control you have with the hit stick. I met this guy in a quick match on-line. And I noticed that he had more loses than wins. It's because people quit before and disconnects go against your record as a lose sometimes. So, I thought to myself this will be a pretty good game. I received the ball first. So, of course the first thing he does when I try to return the ball is that flying hit stick move and my man coughs it up on the 20 yardline. He is so quick at some of these moves that it is pitful. This guy has really good stick control. I work on my stick control allot and I thought that I was pretty good but this guy is unreal. I guess this is info that I will have to keep to myself. Sorry... about that Ballers!


Pastor P

[ZestyChicken]

Well, if true, then this is something that would be worth looking at in the video room LBRulz...

[LBzrule]

Man this has gotten me excited. I'll look into it. Should be fun.

[ZestyChicken]

Man this has gotten me excited. I'll look into it. Should be fun.

Cool - thanks.

[LBzrule]

LOL it aint easy.

[Squeeze Jr.]

LOL it aint easy.

LBzRule, you are right my friend this stuff isn't easy. I have been practicing some of the hits that this guy showed me and it seems like it will take a minute to master this stuff. However, I am willing to put in the time because I know that when I get this stuff down. My defense is going to be able to lay down the wood every single time someone touches the ball. I was surprised at how hard this guy was hitting. I intercepted one of his passes and I got a little greedy and tried to run the ball into the end zone instead of sliding. I believe it was either Reggie Bush or Deuce that he did the diving hit stick with and my CB caugh it up. I am really excited myself! Because, mastering the hit stick like this can cause some really big turnovers. Of course, you and I both know that too many turnovers during a game can cost you. I am not selfish...as I progress with this stuff, I will keep everyone posted on how to work this stuff. I have been watching every angle on the hit stick and what to do at the appropiate times whether it be run or pass.


PastorP

[ugotpimped415]

god dang it! i want a game with this guy!

[ZestyChicken]

Well I've been practicing for a few hours and have figured out a few things.

1) The best play to run to practice hitsticking is Split Backs Normal - HB Sweep vs 3 Man Under. Control the SS and as long as you outrun the FB, you'll have a free shot at the RB.

HB Sweep has got to be the worst running play in the game.

2) Something I was doing before when hitsticking was letting go of the leftstick and trying to aim at the ballcarrier with the right one to tackle. Doesn't work well at all. You have to keep the leftstick towards the ball carrier as you hitstick. Once you hitstick, your player is like an unguided missle and will lunge in the direction the leftstick was pointed in.

Sorry if this is obvious to you vets out, but I've been screwing this up for a long, long time...

Anyway, I'm trying to figure out if the direction the hitstick is in can force a particular animation. I can't really determine any real patterns other that the further you are from the ballcarrier when you initiate your hitstick, it seems like the more violent the hit. Of course, you can't be 10 yards away...

[entity361]

how do you do these so called hit sticks? they sound very vicious and sometimes you just need one turnover to get yourself back in the game! any help is appreciated! also nothing stupid like hit the right stick, i know that much, lol!