what is cheese?

[bg912]

whats up yall? Ive been reading the message boards for quite some time and everybody seems to be talking about cheese or cheating. So tell me this. What do yall consider cheating? In my opinion cheesing is when someone runs a play or a group of plays that work on a consistant basis to exploit your defense. For example, lobbing it to Moss 85% of the game and jetpacking to catch the ball is cheese, or running that cheap halfback pass and running the ball instead of passing it. Now thats cheese!
Now im not saying that people shouldnt jetpack or run halfback passes, but when you play someone who does the same cheap plays over and over again it gets very annoying. :mad:

Anyways, just give me your feedback.

[Theo]

running one play all day is not cheese, thats bad defense.

Moss should be doubled. You know that, he knows that, anyone knwos that.

Cheese is taking advantage of 'flaws' in the game. Like with motion, when de defense is slow in giving over. etc.

When you're cheezing you know you are.

[hobbs2324]

putting a guy in motion and snapping the ball when the motioning man is behind the TE, running goaline all game, some say subbing an LB for a DE or a super fast DB for a LB, consistently audibling from dime and qtr's down to a 3-4 or 4-3 so that your lb's become super fast because the db's are covering them. Do a search under cheez or look for the pass the cheddar thread to find out all of them.
Welcome to the board, I hope you aren't one of the cheezers

[N-Man]

putting a guy in motion and snapping the ball when the motioning man is behind the TE, halfback passes, jetpacking, lobbing the ball to moss, audibling plays, running the same plays and substituting players i do not consider cheese, although it is a somewhat cheap way to win. i have seen/played someone who is able to stop crap like that. now what i do think is cheese is when someone drops backs 20+ yds with the QB.

[bg912]

naw i dont cheese, and i appreciate the welcome! I might jetpack every once in a while though.:D Also, playing people who cheese has really helped my game out cause i have seen just about every thing and i know how to stop it. Except that freakin hb pass. Why do my db's and lb's drop back in coverage after the running back passes the los? anyways madden 05 will hopefully rectify that problem.

if yall want a str8 game hit me up sometime my name is Bgamble. I dont hesitate to administer a$$ whuppins, and i run with GB.

i also want to give a shout out to the whole vg sports staff. These message boards and the filmroom has helped me step up my game tremendously. I am now a certified madden fanatic!

Oh, and the cpu cheats more than any human. I was playin my franchise last night and Javon Walker fumbled in the cpu's red zone after running over shaun springs. Now, I was right by the out of bounds but insted of the ball rolling out of bounds the ball magically sucked back into shaun springs hand. Now i wasnt mad that Walker fumbled, but i was mad that half of shaun springs body was out of bounds and that the ball magically sucked into his had and he had enough time to get up and run it back for a Tub. WTF??????????

Anyways im gone for now, yall be easy!!!

[TNT713]

Cheese = old milk. LOL

seriously... I've read the opinions of others re: cheese. I'm sure my opinion is well known (even if it's unpopular).

I'll hit on them one at a time...

Putting a guy in motion and snapping the ball when the motioning man is behind the TE:

This is one of the best ways to disrupt man lock coverages. It runs defenders through traffic, forces them to turn their hips to run one way, then they must turn fight through traffic and cover the WR (typically in the opposite direction than the CB was running in the first place)

Halfback passes:

Backside containment, Backside containment, Backside containment. The HB can't reverse field if the defender STAYS HOME.

Jetpacking:

The DB's play the ball where it will land. Switch to one of them and HIT THE RECEIVER. Don't worry about the ball. If you time it right, the ball will come out. If that doesn't work, control the DB and jump with the WR.

Lobbing the ball to moss:

What good is having a 6'4" reciever with great speed if you don't throw the ball deep to him... OFTEN.

Audibling plays

Audibles are the most underused part of the game to those that share this view. Audibles are designed to get you out of a bad play and into a good one. They are NECESSARY!!!

When someone drops backs 20+ yds with the QB:

Not everyone can make this strategy work. Droppig back 20 yards is risky... VERY RISKY. It's an easy way to go from 1st and 10 to 2nd and 30. It also takes 20 yard soff of any passes that go downfield, keeping the ball in the air the same amount of time, with less field to cover... Advantage defense.

Running goaline all game

STOP THE RUN!!! Goal Line is the easiest formation to defend because there aren't any passing plays other than Playaction. Controlling the gaps, and forcing 3rd and 7 gets the offense out of Goal Line quick... Quick scores don't hurt either.

Consistently audibling down:

I like this tactic... My back usually has a field day on audbiled down defenses. Cheesy part is how all those fast DB's catch you from behind after you truck the CB playing DT at the line. LOL

Anyway... cheese is completely subjective. Everybody has their own ideas (as you can already see).

Later

[hobbs2324]

so were you saying those things were cheese or are you making an argument that those items are subjective to each player as being fair or cheese.
Anything that totally screws the AI is cheese, putting DB's in Lb's spots is philosophy

[TNT713]

NFL Rules state that substitutions are unlimited. So yeah... DBs on the line are kool.

Just don't change your approach to the game. Treat them like you would any other personnel. If it's alot of fast guys, call plays that use fast guys to run with them, or big guys to run over them.

It sounds simple, but the fundamentals of football get lost when people panic. Expect the unexpected, you'll never be surprised.

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