Falcons fans (or anyone for that matter)

[ThunderCat]

would you hate the front office more if they decided to tank this season and go for brian brohm?

just curious

[ATM]

I could careless at this point. After we named Harrington the starter I knew this season would fail. So we should play for the #1 pick and do the following.

Trade the following:
Dunn
Brooking
Horn
Jenkins
R. White
L. Sanders
(a few of these guys are long shots)
away for draft picks or young players. These guys(besides jenkins and white) are getting old and won't be around when we have a good team again. So let's get rid of them while we can and see what we can get for them.

I would prefer Andre Woodson over Brohm personally but I Petrino is gonna do whatever to get Brohm no matter what.

We need WR's, We Need some help at the LG position, Also a decent CB(Hall may not be here at the end of the year but even if he is we need someone to replace Houston/Sanders) and obviously we need a QB which we will address in the draft hopefully.

[ThunderCat]

I could careless at this point. After we named Harrington the starter I knew this season would fail. So we should play for the #1 pick and do the following.

Trade the following:
Dunn
Brooking
Horn
Jenkins
R. White
L. Sanders
(a few of these guys are long shots)
away for draft picks or young players. These guys(besides jenkins and white) are getting old and won't be around when we have a good team again. So let's get rid of them while we can and see what we can get for them.

I would prefer Andre Woodson over Brohm personally but I Petrino is gonna do whatever to get Brohm no matter what.

We need WR's, We Need some help at the LG position, Also a decent CB(Hall may not be here at the end of the year but even if he is we need someone to replace Houston/Sanders) and obviously we need a QB which we will address in the draft hopefully.

i think QB and Oline are your most pressing needs at the moment...
and its probably stated in the contract that if you're a WR in a falcons uniform, you have to drop balls...especially the easy ones

[FusionGT]

There's no way the Falcons can get rid of Dunn right now. I know Norwood's playing better, that's obvious, but it's the fact that Dunn really is the heart of that team. As for Brooking, who would replace him? If you're getting rid of all your old players, might as well find a new kicker too, and a D-lineman since Grady's gonna have to go. And the receivers, man, you can't just dump all your receivers and think it's going to be a piece of cake to get better ones. As for Brohm, I got one name for you guys, Matt Ryan. Watch yourself, he's looking like a solid Heisman Canidate.

[BlItZeD4LiFe25]

We need help everywhere imaginable.

Our QB position is a joke. I suspect if Brohm is on the board when we draft, he will be ours

Our O-Line is a complete joke, even when the actual starters are out there. They can't run block. They can't pass block. Harrington is getting drilled just as much as Vick used to. The thing is on 3rd down when Joey freaks out, tucks, dodges and takes the sack or throws the ***** away, Vick would take off and get the 1st down. I think on 3rd down is where we're missing MV7 the most .. aside from the obvious (we have no run game without him).

Our WRs are a joke. None of them can catch the ball consistently. Something to note is that these busts (Jenkins, White) are in a QB/WR friendly system (this is a similar system to what the PAts ran for years, hence the high completion %) consisting of 4-5 WR sets from the gun, with multiple options underneath for the highschool throws and they still cannot hang on to the ball or do ***** with it. Throw in the fact that our O-Coodinator was the man behind Chad Johnson, Housh and Henry and it's a given. Cut these f*ckin scrubs loose and quit blaming their lack of hands and ability on everything but them. :rolleyes: They look no different now than they did with MV7 throwing to them in Knapp's garbage crowd-the-routes playbook.

Our D-Line is ancient. Abraham, Coleman and Jackson are all either approaching 30 or well over. Only Jamaal Anderson is young to any degree. Chauncey Davis is still tossed around by TEs and FBs. That said, not even our starters could get to Eli Manning last night. Only Abe off the edge for the most part, and we all knwo the story with him .. it's a matter of time before he's on the injury report and unable to participate.

I cannot stand Demorrio Williams. Every game, or at least every other game, or without exaggerating every third game this jack@ss gets called for a penalty that is the difference between a punt and a scoring drive. He's been nailed for personal fouls, facemasks, and late hits on both kickers and QBs galore throughout his career. He even sucks at tackling -- he gets a majority of them downfield where he lingers because he cannot get to the QB or get off a block regularly.

Keith Brooking at MLB is definately slowing down and will be on his way out soon, but he's playing alright for now. This leaves Michael Boley as our only solid LB with guys like Jordan Beck and Stephen Nicholas barely clocking any time for anyone to even get an opinion regarding.

As for the secondary, as soon as D-Hall leaves we're all done there. Milloy and Crocker already cannot cover a trash can. I have faith in Houston, I think it's early for him despite being abused regularly, but outside of him we have .. Jimmy Williams and Lewis Sanders? I've seen these guys chasing dudes more than I've seen them making plays this year.

Oh, and we refuse to give the ball to our best Offensive Player, Jerious Norwood!

I actually thought our Defense was playing alright for a time but seriously, I think it was just the Offenses (and serious lack there of) we were facing that were making us look good.

The Giants O made us there b*tch last night.

Hell I hosted a MNF party (being in NY, surrounded by Giants fans in a household) last night with pizza, wings, all that ***** and flat out stopped paying attention after the 3rd Q .. lol

We're a ways away from being anything other than a team drafting in the top 5 every April from here on out .. and I do not blame DeAngelo Hall one bit for wanting out if he does infact want a new location. Or Crumpler. Or any of these guys.

Maybe with someone like Brohm throwing in a system he's 100% familiar with, a F/A receiver or something to push some of these other scrubs into the slot and some protection, and better usage of personel (please give Norwood the motherf*ckin ball like 15+ per game) we might have a shot at .500 ball next year via shootouts.

Right now, I'm about to start paying more attention to the NCAA than NFL just to see who is coming out and who I might be seeing in an ATL jersey in 2008 ;)

[KenFalco]

I would rather draft a big power RB with our #1 pick to compliment Norwood.
Dunn is Done.

Defensive lineup I would like to see:

DLINE: Abraham/Coleman/Jackson/Anderson

LB: Stephen Nicholas MLB: Tony Taylor LB: Michael Boley

CB: Chris Houston CB: David Irons

SS: Daren Stone FS: Jimmy Williams

[ThunderCat]

We need help everywhere imaginable.

Our QB position is a joke. I suspect if Brohm is on the board when we draft, he will be ours

Our O-Line is a complete joke, even when the actual starters are out there. They can't run block. They can't pass block. Harrington is getting drilled just as much as Vick used to. The thing is on 3rd down when Joey freaks out, tucks, dodges and takes the sack or throws the ***** away, Vick would take off and get the 1st down. I think on 3rd down is where we're missing MV7 the most .. aside from the obvious (we have no run game without him).

Our WRs are a joke. None of them can catch the ball consistently. Something to note is that these busts (Jenkins, White) are in a QB/WR friendly system (this is a similar system to what the PAts ran for years, hence the high completion %) consisting of 4-5 WR sets from the gun, with multiple options underneath for the highschool throws and they still cannot hang on to the ball or do ***** with it. Throw in the fact that our O-Coodinator was the man behind Chad Johnson, Housh and Henry and it's a given. Cut these f*ckin scrubs loose and quit blaming their lack of hands and ability on everything but them. :rolleyes: They look no different now than they did with MV7 throwing to them in Knapp's garbage crowd-the-routes playbook.

Our D-Line is ancient. Abraham, Coleman and Jackson are all either approaching 30 or well over. Only Jamaal Anderson is young to any degree. Chauncey Davis is still tossed around by TEs and FBs. That said, not even our starters could get to Eli Manning last night. Only Abe off the edge for the most part, and we all knwo the story with him .. it's a matter of time before he's on the injury report and unable to participate.

I cannot stand Demorrio Williams. Every game, or at least every other game, or without exaggerating every third game this jack@ss gets called for a penalty that is the difference between a punt and a scoring drive. He's been nailed for personal fouls, facemasks, and late hits on both kickers and QBs galore throughout his career. He even sucks at tackling -- he gets a majority of them downfield where he lingers because he cannot get to the QB or get off a block regularly.

Keith Brooking at MLB is definately slowing down and will be on his way out soon, but he's playing alright for now. This leaves Michael Boley as our only solid LB with guys like Jordan Beck and Stephen Nicholas barely clocking any time for anyone to even get an opinion regarding.

As for the secondary, as soon as D-Hall leaves we're all done there. Milloy and Crocker already cannot cover a trash can. I have faith in Houston, I think it's early for him despite being abused regularly, but outside of him we have .. Jimmy Williams and Lewis Sanders? I've seen these guys chasing dudes more than I've seen them making plays this year.

Oh, and we refuse to give the ball to our best Offensive Player, Jerious Norwood!

I actually thought our Defense was playing alright for a time but seriously, I think it was just the Offenses (and serious lack there of) we were facing that were making us look good.

The Giants O made us there b*tch last night.

Hell I hosted a MNF party (being in NY, surrounded by Giants fans in a household) last night with pizza, wings, all that ***** and flat out stopped paying attention after the 3rd Q .. lol

We're a ways away from being anything other than a team drafting in the top 5 every April from here on out .. and I do not blame DeAngelo Hall one bit for wanting out if he does infact want a new location. Or Crumpler. Or any of these guys.

Maybe with someone like Brohm throwing in a system he's 100% familiar with, a F/A receiver or something to push some of these other scrubs into the slot and some protection, and better usage of personel (please give Norwood the motherf*ckin ball like 15+ per game) we might have a shot at .500 ball next year via shootouts.

Right now, I'm about to start paying more attention to the NCAA than NFL just to see who is coming out and who I might be seeing in an ATL jersey in 2008 ;)

you can always hang with me and pull for carolina...LOLOLOL :D

[Exilestate]

Seems like that decision has already been made. Can't wait till April.

[BTheMan71]

The Falcons do need a QB of the future. But they shouldn't go into the draft thinking whoever they pick is gonna start next year.

Focus on offensive and defensive line. Laurent Robinson looks like he will be a good receiver. Roddy has played better this year despite last night. Jenkins must go. Horn can go.

Dunn needs to go and they need to draft a power back to replace him. Norwood can stay as the scat back.

It doesn't matter who you put in at QB, you gotta protect him. There is no QB in the NFL that could perform behind that offensive line.

[ThunderCat]

The Falcons do need a QB of the future. But they shouldn't go into the draft thinking whoever they pick is gonna start next year.

Focus on offensive and defensive line. Laurent Robinson looks like he will be a good receiver. Roddy has played better this year despite last night. Jenkins must go. Horn can go.

Dunn needs to go and they need to draft a power back to replace him. Norwood can stay as the scat back.

It doesn't matter who you put in at QB, you gotta protect him. There is no QB in the NFL that could perform behind that offensive line.

that's what they said in houston

[BTheMan71]

that's what they said in houston

Ummm...No, their line has gotten better and Falcons has gotten worse.

2 Rookie starters one of which is undrafted
1 third year player...undrafted

There is a little thing called continuity and experience that makes offensive lines better.

And who is "they" because "they" are usually wrong.

[hakaida]

I could careless at this point. After we named Harrington the starter I knew this season would fail. So we should play for the #1 pick and do the following.

Trade the following:
Dunn
Brooking
Horn
Jenkins
R. White
L. Sanders
(a few of these guys are long shots)
away for draft picks or young players. These guys(besides jenkins and white) are getting old and won't be around when we have a good team again. So let's get rid of them while we can and see what we can get for them.

I would prefer Andre Woodson over Brohm personally but I Petrino is gonna do whatever to get Brohm no matter what.

We need WR's, We Need some help at the LG position, Also a decent CB(Hall may not be here at the end of the year but even if he is we need someone to replace Houston/Sanders) and obviously we need a QB which we will address in the draft hopefully.

None of those guys you want to trade have any real value so the falgoons are going to have to build through the draft and FA. Building an offensive line takes years so if you guys draft a qb, you better hope that he's mobile enough and not injury prone.

I really doubt any team would tank their season. There's no guarantee that petrino will be back if they play horribly and if the locker room is in disarray.

[BTheMan71]

None of those guys you want to trade have any real value so the falgoons are going to have to build through the draft and FA. Building an offensive line takes years so if you guys draft a qb, you better hope that he's mobile enough and not injury prone.

I really doubt any team would tank their season. There's guarantee that petrino will be back if they play horribly and if the locker room is in disarray.

Petrino is not going any where. They are going to rebuild this team to fit his system. It is going to take years because there is nothing to build on. Vick screwed this team up bad. He covered up a lot of sore spots.

Colt Brennan...That's who they need.

[ATM]

My point is the players I listed are taking up cap and these won't be around when Atlanta is making another serious playoff run. Brooking and Dunn could get us some decent picks 3rd 4th rounders. This would let tony taylor step in for brooking(or someone we pick up in the draft) and Norwood to get the bulk of the carries. I understand that losing two leaders like Brooking and Dunn would hurt us but it would definitely help us in the long run.

We need a QB. That's automatic. Leftwich isn't the guy, Harrington isn't the guy, and Brohm won't be it anytime soon. So it makes me think why not take a WR? We need one and the only WR Free agents coming up that are decent are guys like Patrick Crayton who has 1 year left and Devry Henderson who is dropping balls in New Orleans.

Draft - QB/WR first 2 rounds and play the free agent market hard. Spend a little cash. We will definitely have it with Vick off the roster.

[FusionGT]

Of all the quarterbacks coming out that I see right now, I'd say Brennan would be the best fit. I know, Petrino-Brohm, blah blah blah. But Brennan can help with his mobility whereas Brohm might now. I wouldn't be surprised to see them take someone like Tim Tebow if he's there, unfortunately he seems like a white Michael Vick, which could cause more problems than answers. The biggest thing is, if you do draft a quarterback, don't get rid of Harrington ASAP. He might not be a good quarterback, but he can mentor a young guy quite well. Kerry Collins is not a good quarterback, but helped Vince Young become one. Same with Warner and Leinart.

Getting rid of Dunn may be a bad idea. Dunn really is one of their focal point players. He's been there for a long time whereas most on the offense haven't. Building a power house team doesn't neccesarly mean getting rid of anyone who doesn't perform great. You still need heart and soul. That said, if a team next year is looking for a veteran back (Titans could be in this situation) than I can see the Falcons trying to go after a young up-and-coming receiver. Someone that Brohm or Brennan can throw to. Hell, the way this is going right now in Cincy, maybe Chad Johnson will be on the market next spring.

Don't bank that this team's going to turn it around next year either. Regardless of who they get in the draft. You're probably going to be a bottom dwelling team for a few years as you build your team around your new system.

[KenFalco]

Keith Brooking at MLB is definately slowing down and will be on his way out soon, but he's playing alright for now. This leaves Michael Boley as our only solid LB with guys like Jordan Beck and Stephen Nicholas barely clocking any time for anyone to even get an opinion regarding.


Beck got cut in favor of Tony Taylor... :D

your point is great though.. had Nicholas been in the game last night that roughing the kicker play would have never happened.. I think the game may have went a little differently.

Ideal starting LBs : Nicholas, Boley(pro-bowler this year)Brooking, spelled by Taylor.

[ATM]

You're probably going to be a bottom dwelling team for a few years as you build your team around your new system.

Thats my whole point. Falcons won't be on a contending level for the next few years. Dunn is a good running back. I believe he brings tons of heart to this team along with brooking. Problem is, is that both guys will not be around when we have a good football team again. Why keep them just to keep them when maybe we could get rid of them for some sort of positive for the future. I doubt there would be much of a market for Dunn but Brooking a veteran LB would catch the eye of a few teams.

Falcons have a bunch of young guys who if they give the chance will become big (Jamaal Anderson, Jerious Norwood, Darren Stone, David Irons, Laurent Robinson, Michael Boley, and even Chris Houston)

These are a bunch of guys who will be big for the Falcons. We need to get aggressive with the free agent market. We don't have Vick so all we have is money to spend.

[Nigol7]

Colt Brennan...That's who they need.
He's playing terrible. Against terrible(er) defenses. :confused:

[ThunderCat]

Thats my whole point. Falcons won't be on a contending level for the next few years. Dunn is a good running back. I believe he brings tons of heart to this team along with brooking. Problem is, is that both guys will not be around when we have a good football team again. Why keep them just to keep them when maybe we could get rid of them for some sort of positive for the future. I doubt there would be much of a market for Dunn but Brooking a veteran LB would catch the eye of a few teams.

Falcons have a bunch of young guys who if they give the chance will become big (Jamaal Anderson, Jerious Norwood, Darren Stone, David Irons, Laurent Robinson, Michael Boley, and even Chris Houston)

These are a bunch of guys who will be big for the Falcons. We need to get aggressive with the free agent market. We don't have Vick so all we have is money to spend.

veterans bring leadership and experience to young teams...and they help teach the youngin's the ropes...
you need veterans like Brooking to help develop those young LBs you want/have

[FusionGT]

Thats my whole point. Falcons won't be on a contending level for the next few years. Dunn is a good running back. I believe he brings tons of heart to this team along with brooking. Problem is, is that both guys will not be around when we have a good football team again. Why keep them just to keep them when maybe we could get rid of them for some sort of positive for the future. I doubt there would be much of a market for Dunn but Brooking a veteran LB would catch the eye of a few teams.

This is why you're not an owner in the NFL, nor will you ever be. There's a term called team chemistry. I understand Dunn and Brooking probably won't be around when the Falcons, err, if the Falcons become a contender again. However, they are a focal point and leader of their team right now. Keith Brooking on the defense, Warrick Dunn on offense. Dunn does not at all seem displeased with the splitting of the carries with Norwood, and seems to enjoy having a change of pace back. Dunn is a leader, albeit a quiet one, but a leader nonetheless. Without Dunn, your offense would start to fall apart. Defenses may focus on the speed aspect of Norwood's run game, and without a solidified power back, the run game could crumble. Brooking is the man in the middle on defense. He's knowledge is crucial when changing plays, and making adjustments. Getting rid of him now would be a huge loss of knowledge, which is, in my opinion, probably the most important aspect to a defense leader.

Also, picture this. Let's say you dump Dunn and Brooking. Some of the other players approaching their 30s may believe they are next. Morale begins to shift into a downward spiral. Players begin going off at coaches and other players. As this continues, some of your youth may want to leave to find a team worthy of their talent. These "young" players will also be reaching their 30s by the time the Falcons become a threat, if they even do. Are you then going to say, "We should dump these guys and get some younger talent, these guys are too old." When they will probably be a focal point of their team.

Team chemistry is probably the most important aspect to a rebuilding team. Not youth, not knowledge (even though it is in a close second), or even talent. Keeping a team together is crucial.

Realize I'm not saying that Dunn or Brooking are still atop their game, because I don't think they are. I believe though, that they should keep them there to keep the team together.

[FusionGT]

veterans bring leadership and experience to young teams...and they help teach the youngin's the ropes...
you need veterans like Brooking to help develop those young LBs you want/have

Boy, we're on the same page here, aren't we?

[ThunderCat]

Boy, we're on the same page here, aren't we?

yep...im with ya

[FusionGT]

yep...im with ya

I mean, look at the Titans. We're rebuilding, slowly. Players like Kevin Mawae won't be around when (if) we become an AFC threat. Yet, you don't see the Titans shipping him off ASAP. He's a leader and an important part of the offense.

[ThunderCat]

I mean, look at the Titans. We're rebuilding, slowly. Players like Kevin Mawae won't be around when (if) we become an AFC threat. Yet, you don't see the Titans shipping him off ASAP. He's a leader and an important part of the offense.

or Bullock...
he's older than dirt and he's still with them

[FusionGT]

or Bullock...
he's older than dirt and he's still with them

Yeah, but he's still performing. He's still doing real well. I'm fairly certain he'll retire a Titan, and probably a starting Titan too.

[ThunderCat]

Yeah, but he's still performing. He's still doing real well. I'm fairly certain he'll retire a Titan, and probably a starting Titan too.

i wouldn't doubt it...he's been the rock of that defense for a while now...

as for the falcons...i think they need to trade up in the draft to get brohm...
i dont care who is better suited for the QB job, petrino knows brohm very well...brohm's brother was an asst coach at louisville...

the relationship between the coach and QB is just as important as the relationship between a QB and WR...imo

[ATM]

Players begin going off at coaches and other players.


This is why you should stick to watching Dancing with the Stars. DeAnglo Hall has already went at the coaches. This is why there are things called opinions. You think we should keep Dunn and Brooking for leadership purposes. Because no matter how good either plays we will not be a contender. Leadership is important. Norwood will have studied Dunn for 2 years now at the end of this year. Boley and Williams have played behind Brooking for 2 years. I'm not denying leadership is not important but leadership and heart on a losing team is well wasted is stupid if you think it matters. We need some young talent right now over heart on a losing team.

[ThunderCat]

This is why you should stick to watching Dancing with the Stars. DeAnglo Hall has already went at the coaches. This is why there are things called opinions. You think we should keep Dunn and Brooking for leadership purposes. Because no matter how good either plays we will not be a contender. Leadership is important. Norwood will have studied Dunn for 2 years now at the end of this year. Boley and Williams have played behind Brooking for 2 years. I'm not denying leadership is not important but leadership and heart on a losing team is well wasted is stupid if you think it matters. We need some young talent right now over heart on a losing team.


lets just agree to disagree

[FusionGT]

This is why you should stick to watching Dancing with the Stars. DeAnglo Hall has already went at the coaches. This is why there are things called opinions. You think we should keep Dunn and Brooking for leadership purposes. Because no matter how good either plays we will not be a contender. Leadership is important. Norwood will have studied Dunn for 2 years now at the end of this year. Boley and Williams have played behind Brooking for 2 years. I'm not denying leadership is not important but leadership and heart on a losing team is well wasted is stupid if you think it matters. We need some young talent right now over heart on a losing team.

There's so many things wrong here, I don't know where to start.... And I won't. Maybe later, but not now...

[ATM]

Just stick to writing about the Titans. Your whole argument is about leadership and heart. You fail to realize the benefits of the Falcons getting rid of two good players in order to pick up some possible draft picks and/or young talent. I'm not trying to ship out all the older players. Just seems these guys hold a little value and could help the team if they were traded rather then if they were left on the team to pad their career stats.

[FusionGT]

Just stick to writing about the Titans. Your whole argument is about leadership and heart. You fail to realize the benefits of the Falcons getting rid of two good players in order to pick up some possible draft picks and/or young talent. I'm not trying to ship out all the older players. Just seems these guys hold a little value and could help the team if they were traded rather then if they were left on the team to pad their career stats.

You don't realize the ramifications of what releasing these players may do... Your other veterans could begin to think, "I'm next."