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DatkillaD
11-01-2007, 03:31 PM
I'm still learning this pb if somone could suggest some money plays for the middle of the field or some good run plays out of something other then strong I te or i formation would be a great help!

nstierhoff
11-01-2007, 04:41 PM
I've been runnin wit this book for 4 years now, and I can tell you that singleback is were it is at. I really don't find it difficult to establish a running game with 3 recievers and a tight end on the field. It is tough for me to give up any of my "money" plays, but a consistant attack u might like to add to your gameplan is using the 4 auto-motion plays out of single back empty bunch. There is a very effective dive play off the RB's motion, along with that is a PA of the dive, and there is a nice swing pass off RB motion(sluggo flat). Spreading out the defense with empty and moving the running back all over can be very effective.

Now one of the "money" pass routes I will give you is also out of single back empty bunch. The play is FL shake, it is almost unstopable when the timing is right(it is my answer to all the QPsers out there)...your number 1 reciever will be doing a shake route, that takes some time to develop so it is not a wise call against heavy blitz. I usually use this play around the 5 yard line, or in 5-10 yard 3rd downs. You can either pump fake on the recievers first shake, or you can just move the passing cone around untill he makes his cut...but once the reciever breaks for the center of the field you can fire a high bullet pass that is almost always just over the linebackers or in the bubble. It is extremely effective with tall recievers, and highly acurate qb's (ie. Jeff Garcia :D )...u also have your RB running a fly route down the middle of the field as an outlet, if the defense try's to over load that zone or bring a safety to stop it.

hope that helps u out...it's good to hear some talk about the most underated PB in madden!

justncredible79
11-01-2007, 04:52 PM
I've used Tampa since last year. I like formations you can run and pass out of. All of the HB slams are good run plays, but if the box is loaded, you want to audible to a pass. I like the HB Cutback out of SB 4W, and the Counter out of the SB-Twin WR, TE. I really like the passing out of the I Tight Twins. There is a playaction play in there (I forgot the name) that is pretty good. I motion the far left WR to the right (he will run an angle in then out) I Streak the TE against zone and hit either the WR running an angle out route or the FB in the flats. That route is also in the SB Normal Slant Corner. I like that you can formation shift into SB Tight, and Bunch. There is SB Normal HB option, it has the (question mark) route that destroy's man. If you have a quick HB, he will be open vs man on the option route. SB Normal TE Corner is another good play (again, remember you can formation shift into tight). There is a play in the SB Flip trips that has that question mark route that destroys man, its called Slant Attack, and there is a nice HB slam in there as well. I also love to run all the HB screens, and cancel the hb's screen screen route, make him block and hot route the WR on the screen side to perform a screen. Against zone, this is money!
Pro 3w, has the hb and fb dives. In the HB dive, I motion the FB away, toward the slot and hit the hole hard. In Weak I normal, you have a HB dive, counter, a PA Slide play which is good with or without the Playaction, and a play called sluggo or something where the FB route is money vs man and the WR to the left does a slant in then fades out which kills zone. Also, they have a few good plays in Strong I and Strong I twn TE, Try it out, I've used Tampa Bay's book for the last two years, its pretty much the same book as last year....For PS2. The playbook is really good, but you have to practice it. On each play you need to know where you want to go with the ball vs. zone, man, and remember who your check down man is vs. blitz. Also, use your R stick audibles, it gives you four plays from the same formation, plus the play you called.

DatkillaD
11-02-2007, 04:31 AM
Thanks this was a great help I just switched over from the detpb which is deadly as well and I have a few money plays like i can run strongI te run and pass with success no problem and the sb empty I'm ok with still need alittle work and split backs pretty good as well but going against some of the better players I feel the need to expand my offense.
I'm a firm believer in keeping your opponent off balance I like to add a whole new look to my offense for the second half and in the 4th qtr that way any adjustments made won't have that much affect on what I'm doing. thing is my lab time and practice time is limited being and older maddenjunkie I don't have as much time on my hands as I would like so the filmroom really helps and what u guys have shared helped alot cant wait to add some of this if not all of this to my offense thanks!

justncredible79
11-02-2007, 01:46 PM
No problem. I find that I can literally use every formation throughout the game. I hope it works for you.

Longview Lobos
11-11-2007, 08:54 PM
I like TB playbook, I just wish they'd more solid run formations, what runs plays do you guys run for the TB book. I run a lot i form dives/slams, but i like to change up my formations every other down. I know one play where ive a lot of success is a quick slam run out of single back..... I wish TB book had full house or or one additional solid run formation


Any good running plays from this book?

Thax

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moos3p
11-11-2007, 09:55 PM
I run only 4 to 5 runs per game. My offense is based on mainly 3 formations, with plays shifted to them. I run a slam and/or dive, and the sprint, which are r quick auds, and a counter or toss, which I come out in if the d wants to give it up. I average 70 plus yards, but I am a pass 1st offense.

89-06-MVP
11-12-2007, 03:57 PM
I like TB playbook, I just wish they'd more solid run formations, what runs plays do you guys run for the TB book. I run a lot i form dives/slams, but i like to change up my formations every other down. I know one play where ive a lot of success is a quick slam run out of single back..... I wish TB book had full house or or one additional solid run formation


Any good running plays from this book?

Thax

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This is the reason i dropped TB play book because the there are no solid run plays.

Muddy Cleats
11-13-2007, 06:04 PM
Really ?? I find it has lots of "solid" run plays. I use the Packers and have used the TB playbook for 3 years. my only regret is no shotgun. but here are a few of my plays
number 1 run play
split back 3wr quick toss
package the TE in send in motion to kick block end or LB. you can run 4 variations of this play. do the same motion but FB blast and most teams over commit to right side to open up good gain left side. run same formation same motion but TE cross TE goes out to flat for easy catch.
run HB Blast motion TE you can get a good B gap run for a good 3 yds.

Weak Twin WR has a good counter play that works good flipped.
strong I counter nice play, Strong I fake counter FB trap really nice.
No one play is a solid run play on its own. They key to success in my opinion is give your opposition multiple plays from the same look so many variations he won't know what to expect from you. HB slam might work good, but after 5 or 6 times it won't keep working.

Longview Lobos
11-13-2007, 08:13 PM
Really ?? I find it has lots of "solid" run plays. I use the Packers and have used the TB playbook for 3 years. my only regret is no shotgun. but here are a few of my plays
number 1 run play
split back 3wr quick toss
package the TE in send in motion to kick block end or LB. you can run 4 variations of this play. do the same motion but FB blast and most teams over commit to right side to open up good gain left side. run same formation same motion but TE cross TE goes out to flat for easy catch.
run HB Blast motion TE you can get a good B gap run for a good 3 yds.

Weak Twin WR has a good counter play that works good flipped.
strong I counter nice play, Strong I fake counter FB trap really nice.
No one play is a solid run play on its own. They key to success in my opinion is give your opposition multiple plays from the same look so many variations he won't know what to expect from you. HB slam might work good, but after 5 or 6 times it won't keep working.


Man I am going to check this out, I never thought about that blast play. Question for you, do you hike the ball when the blocker is behind the line or pass the LOS?

Thanks

Muddy Cleats
11-15-2007, 01:48 AM
on the quick toss I hike the ball once TE has cleared line he will either cut back on DE or go for LB, if LB is on edge. if the guy is playing a dime then i string TE out further to either double team Cb or isolate safety. The key to this play is the pulling guard . now you have 4 blockers vs 3 defenders.
on pass play I either extend motion to completion so TE runs route or hike right before TE uncovers this draws the weak side lb and frees up HB going to flats.

I usually run the toss 3 or 4 times to set up other plays. for instance ran toss 3 times tonight got to 4 yd line set up the 3wr split back fb blast. soon as TE went in motion the guy shifted and my FB had a whole so huge that he ran in untouched.
BTW I owe my strategy to this site. Kobra and Bert and BigB always preach fundamental success of have a variety of options from similar looks. also keep in mind doing the same thing from different looks. If you love HB slam there are 4 formations + shifts that you can run that play from, thus keeping your opponent guessing.

themenace47
11-16-2007, 06:49 PM
well i dunno about quick passes or any of that other non-football nonsense but i thought the singleback slot strong from the tb playbook is one of the best formations in the game.

the wr screen and quick developing run plays will cause opponents to cheat up for sure...

nothing beats that "c" route to the corner when you need some easy yardage and its nice to have a play where you can go either to it on either side... try and occupy the safety with a seam/streak and throw right when the safety is moving away from the sieline...

one of the route combos that has been strategically removed from much of the madden game is easily created from that play... you hear guys talk about the flat/corner/streak but after some searching you will notice that all the plays with that combo are in some way set up to fail... not so with this paticular play once you send the TE on a streak... the slot can just stop at the line or the back can hit the flat and the slot can cross the field...

89-06-MVP
11-16-2007, 09:48 PM
well i dunno about quick passes or any of that other non-football nonsense but i thought the singleback slot strong from the tb playbook is one of the best formations in the game.

the wr screen and quick developing run plays will cause opponents to cheat up for sure...

nothing beats that "c" route to the corner when you need some easy yardage and its nice to have a play where you can go either to it on either side... try and occupy the safety with a seam/streak and throw right when the safety is moving away from the sieline...

one of the route combos that has been strategically removed from much of the madden game is easily created from that play... you hear guys talk about the flat/corner/streak but after some searching you will notice that all the plays with that combo are in some way set up to fail... not so with this paticular play once you send the TE on a streak... the slot can just stop at the line or the back can hit the flat and the slot can cross the field...


If you have time i would love for you to show me how effective that C route is because i can't run it that good.My online name is Broadbndbuly PS2.

themenace47
11-17-2007, 11:48 PM
its all in where you aim your pass...

one thing is to throw right at the last cut, aim towards the sideline and immediately control the WR... its so hard to break on this pass for a user pick because the pass always hits the wr at the peak of his jump but even if your opp does it well you can butt in with the WR

usually aim towards the sideline but once in a while the WR will beat the coverage really bad in that case lead him up the field...

in the original post i made... im sayin;
1. run the safety off with a streak to the TE
2. hold anyone lurking near the flats with a hb flare or stop route to the slot receiver
3. and aim outside with the pass once the safety commits to the streak...

my ps2 name is themenace47 or menace4708...

the real beauty is that wr screeen beats damn near every zone and absolutely destroys the all out blitz...

when you see man 1 or zero blitz thats when you exploit the deep routes...

if you dont like the "c" then you can hit the post corners without changing anything if i remember right... that play is already set to beat lots of the stock coverage schemes

NastyQueDawg
11-18-2007, 05:50 PM
well i dunno about quick passes or any of that other non-football nonsense but i thought the singleback slot strong from the tb playbook is one of the best formations in the game.

the wr screen and quick developing run plays will cause opponents to cheat up for sure...

nothing beats that "c" route to the corner when you need some easy yardage and its nice to have a play where you can go either to it on either side... try and occupy the safety with a seam/streak and throw right when the safety is moving away from the sieline...

one of the route combos that has been strategically removed from much of the madden game is easily created from that play... you hear guys talk about the flat/corner/streak but after some searching you will notice that all the plays with that combo are in some way set up to fail... not so with this paticular play once you send the TE on a streak... the slot can just stop at the line or the back can hit the flat and the slot can cross the field...


Not sure which play you talking about. Is it in the Singleback-Slot Strong formation?