Good News!!!!!

[Farmer]

The wifey says I can go ahead and order the Film room for NCAA 2005 and Madden 05 if I wish. WoooooHoooooo!!!!!!!! Mad_Bomber, any ideas on when would be a good time to sign up?? Also, is there a discount for ordering both filmrooms?? Or a discount for ordering the Film Room and Virtual PlayBook?? Just asking cause I'm soooooo psyched right now. :D




-Farmer

[dirtypeter]

bump! I would like this information too.

[VG_Bert]

Right now the NCAA Filmroom is at a reduced price of $17.95. Also, be pre-ordering the Virtual Playbook for NCAA 2005 now, you can get it for $13.95

When the game comes out the Filmroom will be $19.95 & Playbook $16.95

Madden Filmroom will stay at $21.95, but you can pre-order playbook for $13.95 now.

Thanks,

Bert

[djwill13]

is one better than the other? what i mean is, money is kinda tight for me but i would like to get one or the other for both madden and ncaa, but i am unsure weather i should choose the filmroom or the playbook for both

any help would be greatly appreciated fellas

thanx in advance

[dirtypeter]

i really like film room, it is a huge help on def!!

[canerraid72]

I think tat they are both great.
I have fallen in love with NCAA so much I did not even open my Madden 2004! I just turned it back in.

The filmroom is good because it breaks down plays and shows you how to modify them. Enhancing blitzes, beating man coverages etc.

I just recently ordered the playbook and it is well worth it. Think about this, if someone uses a play online, most of the time they will not tell you what it is or what book they use. So then you ahve to go to practice mode and choose the differnt books and see which one oit was. Also if you buy Prima's guide book for 16 bucks, it tells you the team units rating and what formations are in the playbook. The virtual shows you each teams playbook, what plays are in the book, what each defensive formation is and the plays in each formation.

What I did with the playbook is find plays that people used against me, see what formations they were, which playbook had all the formations or close to it and then came up with my gameplan without even turning my game on.

As well for all you married guys this is on the computer. You can access it from work or home and people think that you are working. This will take some of the heat off and it will make the time you get in front of the PS2 or XBOX more valuable. Christ you could spend an hour just trying to find plays and never get to a game. Also if you are play someone online or the cpu you could use it a s a quick reference if they are killing you with one formation, you pull up that formation see where the plays go and stop it. IE the shogun trips formation, other than the draw all HB plays go to the 3 rec side. I am sory but I have to much to do than to remember each playbook.

Just my 2 cents, but The more domination i have at the game, the happier I am and more fun I have with the game.

[TrojanNole]

We need to bump this thread to another one I just responded too. This thread had answered my question.

If anyone asked me about which one to get: filmroom vs. playbook, I say u have to have BOTH.

The filmroom has more updates, but I have to have the ability to print out my plays to look them over and study them.

Without a doubt, u spent $50 bucks for the game, spend the money to get the most out of your game.

[rhombic21]

I can't imagine paying for a virtual playbook or a filmroom at all. Sorry, but I just can't. It's not that hard to go into practice mode and figure out how plays work vs certain coverages/formations, and if you join an online community and play games against quality players, you are bound to pick up things just by watching them do it, and then hitting practice mode to try and figure out what they were doing. I can see getting the playbook just for convenience sake, but I don't understand why anybody would pay for the filmroom. I gaurantee that most of the things in there are things that are either A) Based on exploiting AI in a way that most people consider cheap or B) Stuff that really anybody with any sort of skill has already figured out. I mean, you might get ONE or TWO plays that you wouldn't have thought of before, but the VAST majority of that stuff you can pick up just by playing versus quality people online.

I belong to another message board where we had SEVERAL players in the top 100, and at one time had 10 or 15 guys that were in the top 1500, none of whom glitched or ran any sort of cheese based strategies. We had guys who ran strategies ranging from the spread, to the power option, to the I formation, to a west coast offense, and defensive gameplans that ranged from zone based "bend but don't break" to man based "bring the house and dare them to beat you deep". BleedScred went on to be ranked #1 (although he ran some questionable SG Bunch and Dime Dog Gold strategies, but that wasn't until March or so, when online play interest declined greatly).

Considering the fact that nearly EVERYBODY in the top 150 uses Dime Dog Gold and SG bunch (and has been for about 2 months now), and Mad doesn't have ANYTHING about those two things, tells me how "cutting edge" the filmroom is. If you don't play online, and are just looking for tips versus the computer, then I can understand that too, but for an online player you can find people who will share JUST as much knowledge (which is often times BETTER) by just finding a group of quality players to practice against.

Sorry, I think that what Mad does here is pretty cool, and I like the idea of having a forum where people talk strategy, but the idea of charging for it (aside from the virtual playbook, which I can understand) just seems absurd to me. Bleed (and others who post here) has a defensive/offensive strategy that Mad doesn't, and Mad wants him to post it for free, but then Mad turns around and wants to charge people for his info. It just doesn't make sense. Why should people pay for stuff that can easily be learned for free. There are plenty of players out there (myself included) who are more than willing to play scrimmages and share strategies, and don't want money for it.

[orlandoPace]

what message board are you talking about?

[kbell97]

Utopia?

[VG_Bert]

rhombic21,

It's more a matter of whether people have tons of time to spend themselves in practice mode. Most people don't.

As far as the forums go, this is just going to be a part of the filmroom subscription. It is difficult for filmroom subscribers to discuss what's in that room on the general forums as there are many there who haven't purchased it. They respect the work that we do and the time we put in to do it. The forum is so that can discuss specific filmroom topics amongst themselves. It's not a pay for access forum.

[orlandoPace]

i will agree with Bert.

as someone who is pretty new to these forums, and has not purchased the filmroom.

just browsing these forums and asking questions has improved my game a ton.

and i dont think its wrong to pay for imformation that most people dont have to improve your game, and im sure if i asked someone for help with a particular play or defense they would without hesitation.

[mad_bomber]

Rhombic,

Just because I write the film room strategies for NCAA doesn't mean that I'm the end all be all world's greatest player nor have I claimed to be. You've never seen me say or will see me say that I know everything there is to know about NCAA Football when it comes to strategy. Even the best coaches in the NFL are constantly learning new ideas and schemes from others. Do you honestly expect me to know every conceivable possible defensive and offensive scheme imaginable that people come up with on there on? There are tons of things I see on and offline players do that I could put in the film room but I choose not to.

As for Bleed these forums primarily focus on strategy discussions. You yourself posted some of your offensive ideas on these same forums recently and you're complaining about the fact that I asked Bleed to explain his Dime Dog Gold strategy? Bleed is the guy that came here and basically stated that his defensive scheme is the best thing going. If someone's going to make those types of comments then why not ask him can he clarify by explaining what it is he's doing? Otherwise it just appears as if he's shooting off at the mouth.

As I discussed this with you previously at the Utopia forum I respect your opinions as this what the discussion forums are for and you're entitled to them, but I really don't concern myself with the opinions guys may have of the film room (good or bad) that aren't subscribers. Only the guys that are subscribers and give me feedback are the opinions I'll take to heart. Every other opinion I take with a grain of salt.

[Farmer]

There are a lot of good points by Bert, Rhombic, and Mad. But it all comes down to this for me.

If anyone knows of such sites that good STRAIGHT ballers go to post and share tips, stradegies, plays, etc... I'm with it. I don't have a problem sharing what little I do know.


And like Rhombic said, anyone can hit the practice field and work it out for themselves. Which I whole heartedly agree. But most of us don't have the time it takes to do that. I have a wife and two kids, one of whom has just made 5 months old, a dog and a humungus back yard that seems to grow back to it pre cut state just minutes after I cut it. :mad: It seems like there is always a vehicle that needs an oil change, a board in the fence that needs replacing, someone that needs help with this that or the other. The wife needs her quality time, the kids need their quality time, the dog needs her quality time, the house and vehicles certainly need their quality time too.
Most of us married guys just don't have that much time to spend with our "Common Hobby" to get to that competitive point in our game where we feel confident/comfortable with playing anyone, Sr8t players and cheesy fools alike. I've said it once before on here and any other sports videogame message board I find, I have no problem hitting the LAB and working on things for myself. But if someone knows something that will help me or somethings/ formations to try out in practice mode then I feel that will get me the most out of my time both in practice mode and online/offline gaming. I digress and have come to the conclusion that I will get both filmrooms this year and hope I can up my skills to hopefully enter the Madden challenge when it rolls into H-Town this year. And when i get a lil more dough I'll order the Virtual PB and give it a once over.


-Farmer

[rhombic21]

Mad, I'm not critiquing you asking Bleed to explain his strategy. It's really not that unique of a defensive play, because nearly EVERYONE in the top 150 online uses it, but Bleed has it perfected pretty well. But here's my point. You don't share most of your tips for free, so why should other people? That's why Bleed didn't want to post it. It isn't that he was just running his mouth, it's that he really has no incentive towards doing so. Why should he spend his time contributing to something that he's not going to profit from, when you are charging for your strategies?

I don't say that just because of me or Bleed, but becasue I think that a lot of people probably feel that way. If you don't subscribe to the filmroom (ie pay you money), there's really nothing that these forums have to offer. That's sad, because this forum has a very solid foundation in terms of talking about strategy, but it could be so much better.

And I point out the dime dog gold or SG bunch things because those strategies are SO common online (particularly amongst the elite players), that it makes me wonder what ELSE you don't have strategies for. If people are PAYING for strategies, then they ought to get their money's worth, and I question how that can be possible given your apparent ignorance about SG Bunch or Dime Dog Gold.

Like I said, I can see how a casual player might consider paying for this, especially if they don't play online ever or much, but you claimed on Utopia's boards that your filmroom is for hardcore players as well, and I haven't seen anything that demonstrates that point. I just can't see why people who are more than just casual players would pay for something like this.

[mad_bomber]

When someone asks a question on the forum seeking help with a play or strategy I go out of my way to help that person out. I even post some of my on strategies from time to time. This forum in my opinion is the best place on the net to find general gameplay tips and it'll continue to grow as the word gets out. That's why I plan on writing strategy and other gameplay related articles for the Mad Bomber's Corner section of this web site from time to time. This new approach plus our willingness to help others out will give guys a reason to continue coming back to the site.

If you don't agree that someone should pay for a subscription to the film room when all they have to do is practice and play others to learn from, that's perfectly honestly ok with me. I really can't argue with that assessment. Anyone would agree that's a fair opinion to offer someone who's considering a subscription to the film room. However, when you base your reasons on whether or not someone should subscribe to the film room because you question the quality of the content and you're not a subscriber yourself, that's where I have a problem. If a current film room subscriber says I don't think it's worth it, then fine so be it we'll go back to the drawing board for NCAA 2005, but I don't feel a non subscriber's opinion on the film room's content really carries much weight especially with the good quality feedback we get. Maybe the top 150 online players should start a film room for themselves.

We've written strategies in the film room explaining how to get pressure against the shotgun bunch formation that are just as effective. Kobra and I have mentioned in numerous articles that the shotgun bunch is one of the easiest formations to get pressure against because of the fifteen pass plays in that formation all but five call for the back to release into the pattern. Therefore any type of enhanced blitz or zone blitz package will more than likely get pressure on that formation because the offense only has five blockers.

[FlaPride]

Originally posted by Farmer
There are a lot of good points by Bert, Rhombic, and Mad. But it all comes down to this for me.

If anyone knows of such sites that good STRAIGHT ballers go to post and share tips, stradegies, plays, etc... I'm with it. I don't have a problem sharing what little I do know.


And like Rhombic said, anyone can hit the practice field and work it out for themselves. Which I whole heartedly agree. But most of us don't have the time it takes to do that. I have a wife and two kids, one of whom has just made 5 months old, a dog and a humungus back yard that seems to grow back to it pre cut state just minutes after I cut it. :mad: It seems like there is always a vehicle that needs an oil change, a board in the fence that needs replacing, someone that needs help with this that or the other. The wife needs her quality time, the kids need their quality time, the dog needs her quality time, the house and vehicles certainly need their quality time too.
Most of us married guys just don't have that much time to spend with our "Common Hobby" to get to that competitive point in our game where we feel confident/comfortable with playing anyone, Sr8t players and cheesy fools alike. I've said it once before on here and any other sports videogame message board I find, I have no problem hitting the LAB and working on things for myself. But if someone knows something that will help me or somethings/ formations to try out in practice mode then I feel that will get me the most out of my time both in practice mode and online/offline gaming. I digress and have come to the conclusion that I will get both filmrooms this year and hope I can up my skills to hopefully enter the Madden challenge when it rolls into H-Town this year. And when i get a lil more dough I'll order the Virtual PB and give it a once over.


-Farmer
I am right there with you FARMER, I have a full time job and a 6 year old daughter and go to school 2 nights a week and don't have the time to get in 300 - 800+ games like a lot of the top 100 online players have. so it is no big deal to me to spend 20.00 bucks because the filmroom is very well done and easy to understand. I am by no means a top 100 player but it has helped me a lot with improving my game. you can definitely learn a lot from the elite players online if they are willing to share the info, however that isn't always the case. I am always looking for ways to enhance my level of play for this game that we all love to play. The filmroom brought the shotgunbunch formation to my attention, maybe it didn't list an entire scheme like what (Bleed) runs, but it does make me think and gives me ideas and covers a wide spectrum of plays. So it really is worth it to me.

FlaPride

[kbell97]

Hey Rhombic, you are entitled to your opinion which is great and everything. Hey, I buy Virtual Filmroom and Playbook and damm proud of it, it is not like it is an enormous amount of money or anything, it is pretty much affordable. To me any kind of football is about learning, if its in this forum, playing someone online, breaking down films etc.., it is always taking something new from an offensive and defensive strategy and trying to incorporate it into your gameplan. I will admit the V Playbook and Filmroom is very conveniant to me especiallly with my schedule in the fall, I coach football, work, have a wife and kid, and go to school one night a week, in addition watching and playing college and pro football with my buddies. I find it very useful because of the time I don't have to break down a plays all day long in NCAA football. I appreciate everybody in this forums sharing their secrets and techniques, which makes this forum special, and I even appreciate Bleeds tactics and strategy he has shared with us. I am not the greatest online player nor do I care if I am ( but against my buddies I do care if I am great to them with the thanks of this forum and strategies) When I play people online, yes I do try and win and be competitive, and If I lose I adjust my gameplay to their particular style.

As far as Mad Bomber Rhombic, he has been nothing but a big help to me and everyone in this forum, giving away some of his plays and strategies in forum talk. He has givin some knowlegeable insight to the game in general. I also recommend anyone here in these forums to buy the filmroom and playbook, Bomber does one hell of job, and its not like he's asking for hundreds of dollars. So thanks to the people in this forum and who made these forums and virtual playbook, films possibe and to the people who share their secrets and tactics to make my game better.

[Farmer]

Okay. I've just plunked down the $17 to get the film room. :D I got lucky and the transfer went through instantly. Now when 05 comes out will I still be covered for that as well?? I mean seeing as how there is still 04 content in the film room now?? I know it sounds like a dumb question but I would like to know.

Also is there an address that I can send the $21 to for the Madden 05 film room?? I don't think the wifey will go for that one. :(


Bert of Bomber, if either one of you could get back to me on this one I would greatly appreciate it a lot.

Thanks in advance,
Farmer

[mad_bomber]

Farmer check your PM when you get a chance.

[Farmer]

Originally posted by mad_bomber
Farmer check your PM when you get a chance.


Got it and right back at cha m_b. ;)




-Farmer