U.S. Taxpayers Recover Billions in Sale of G.M. Stock

[sanantonio]

Then you've just pointed out why siding with big government is a good idea.

Democrats just let insurance companies right Obamacare, there wasn't some altruistic politican doing it. The same companies that wrote it are now now have waivers exempting them from it. Unions too.

Just remember though if you side with Obama then you are siding with someone who doesn't care if you get groped in the airport and if the TSA molests your kids.

To be factual there is an age limit for kids not sure what it is and the pat down doesn't come until it cannot be determined through a scan or metal detector what an object might be. And I believe they are given 3 chances to fail with the metal detector after emptying pockets and so forth.

[theanalogkid]

To be factual there is an age limit for kids not sure what it is and the pat down doesn't come until it cannot be determined through a scan or metal detector what an object might be. And I believe they are given 3 chances to fail with the metal detector after emptying pockets and so forth.

Age limit? I guess that age limit wasn't in place when they patted down a 3 year old. http://www.newser.com/story/105351/t...-year-old.html

If you opt out of getting blasted with X-rays then you are subjected to a pat down which involves a TSA agent sticking their hands down your pants. It has nothing to do with failing a scan. There's no proof that these machines are safe.

[sanantonio]

Age limit? I guess that age limit wasn't in place when they patted down a 3 year old. http://www.newser.com/story/105351/t...-year-old.html

If you opt out of getting blasted with X-rays then you are subjected to a pat down which involves a TSA agent sticking their hands down your pants. It has nothing to do with failing a scan. There's no proof that these machines are safe.

That was the case of either an idiot or ill trained screener take your pick. And yes if you opt out of getting blasted with x-rays yes you then get patted down but it's your choice male or female.

[R-ILLA]

Like ima get a check in the mail... Obama still sucks. I will vote next time first time ever...

Are you voting for Sarah Palin?

[R-ILLA]

Let me explain what happens because I actually own a business, while you teach seven year old children how to play "Mary had a Little Lamb" on their government paid for wooden flutes. lol

Hmm, so why was the product poor, Rico? Could it be they were forced to use poor materials to make their vehicles? Well, one would think if the product is below average, then the engines, brake lines, radiators, and the metal used to make the vehicles must be low grade quality. Why would ANYONE want to use low grade materials? Hmm, probably because the materials were inexpensive. Why use inexpensive material?

BECAUSE THEY PAY THE MONEY HUNGRY UNION WORKERS TOO MUCH MONEY AND HAVE TO CUT COSTS SOMEWHERE ELSE YOU BIG DUMMY!

Now go ahead and "teach us" how its really the white rich dude's fault and he was using poor materials because he wanted to put more money in his pockets and that the union bosses are simply hard working poor men just trying to survive and they all wear halos.

Then I'll have Tito get you a tissue. Awe, poor Rico. Nobody understands his plight. Nobody understands what it means to be a flute teaching working man in the world of the evil white rich man! I think you should start teaching drama class. lol!

Why is that funny? Serious question

[R-ILLA]

Then you've just pointed out why siding with big government is a good idea.

Democrats just let insurance companies right Obamacare, there wasn't some altruistic politican doing it. The same companies that wrote it are now now have waivers exempting them from it. Unions too.

Just remember though if you side with Obama then you are siding with someone who doesn't care if you get groped in the airport and if the TSA molests your kids.

Neither side cares about that.

[Gtrght77]

All of a sudden Obama is at fault for Airport security?

It's funny the people who didn't care about the Patriot Act are now up in arms about being patted down at the airport?

All that fear about Homeland Security and people are whining about being pat down before they get on a plane?

[conviction]

Root?

Yea, blame the unions you ivory tower a-hole. It's always the laborers fault. Has nothing to do with management. And by the way, the ROOT cause was not the unions but a $h!tty product. Which they have addressed. But why deal with the facts, huh? Let's just poo-poo the poor people whose only power is to unite. Jack a$$.

While management possibly played a role in the demise of the company, it is hard to argue unions didn't either.

I am not aware of the benefits package of their employees, but if it is anything like people had in the 50s-70's... that is, middle class status, high wages, etc. then yes it does hurt the company.

stagflation in the 70's was due to the 'high quality model', a translation of high costs(wages, benefits), low labor flexibility. companies like GM exemplified this model, especially from i am aware of historically. no way, with he expenditures can companies being tied down by regulation and unions can compete it today's highly globalized market.

the only way to deal with current globalization is by deregulation and especially of those programs created under the new deal that set us up for later failure. the reagan administration was famous for the deregulation. it is the new 'high volume model' exemplified by companies like walmart. that is, no benefits, low wages, high labor flexibility that will allow us to compete and have success. at this point, the company can compete globally and will have to be the government's job to give assistance to those people without necessarily benefits.

now if you'll excuse me i actually have a paper due tomorrow on the these 2 models

[theanalogkid]

While management possibly played a role in the demise of the company, it is hard to argue unions didn't either.

I am not aware of the benefits package of their employees, but if it is anything like people had in the 50s-70's... that is, middle class status, high wages, etc. then yes it does hurt the company.

stagflation in the 70's was due to the 'high quality model', a translation of high costs(wages, benefits), low labor flexibility. companies like GM exemplified this model, especially from i am aware of historically. no way, with he expenditures can companies being tied down by regulation and unions can compete it today's highly globalized market.

the only way to deal with current globalization is by deregulation and especially of those programs created under the new deal that set us up for later failure. the reagan administration was famous for the deregulation. it is the new 'high volume model' exemplified by companies like walmart. that is, no benefits, low wages, high labor flexibility that will allow us to compete and have success. at this point, the company can compete globally and will have to be the government's job to give assistance to those people without necessarily benefits.

now if you'll excuse me i actually have a paper due tomorrow on the these 2 models

Stagflation was caused by the Fed constantly expanding the monetary base throughout the 70s in order to put off a recession but it had quite the opposite effect, you can see this on the St. Louis Fed's website.

They are doing the same thing now, and the results are the same and the long they do it the worse it's going to be in the end.

Anyway a lot more goes into business than labor's wages. In the 1800s the US had the highest wages in the world, and had cheap quality products.

[XxsourdieselxX]

Are you voting for Sarah Palin?

I'm voting for the non gimmick... I don't wanna come off wrong U guys will take it wrong tho.
A sht load of people voted that never usually vote. Minorities voted for him just cause he was black. I don't care about what
Color the president is...
We need a new government period. We need to pull all
The army in. Focus on the us. And fck the world literally. Also senate congress should be regular people from various trades. ( scientists, plumbers, doctors, lawyers, starbucks managers ect.)

Also we need a org to police the government. Period. If they know every thing we do, I wanna know everything they do. It's our right..

[conviction]

Stagflation was caused by the Fed constantly expanding the monetary base throughout the 70s in order to put off a recession but it had quite the opposite effect, you can see this on the St. Louis Fed's website.

They are doing the same thing now, and the results are the same and the long they do it the worse it's going to be in the end.

Anyway a lot more goes into business than labor's wages. In the 1800s the US had the highest wages in the world, and had cheap quality products.

yes, my stagflation comment was overstated but social protection's impact is evident, that is why we have had moves in deregulation.

i think the future of economics is through the policies you tout and i tend to agree, that is true capitalism. most times we interfere it just sets offsets natural balances.

in these policies however, government must pick up the slack for the low skilled workers.

are you a supporter of ron pauls ideas of sound money?

[theanalogkid]

in these policies however, government must pick up the slack for the low skilled workers.

I don't think the government needs to pick up the slack so much as to get out of the way so that way these low skilled workers can gain skills and become more productive. The government is preventing people from working by having a minimum wage, it's making it illegal for some people to work even if they want to at certain wages. That's why there's no gas station attendants or doormen or people answering the phones anymore instead of some automated system. Just because someone starts out at $4 or $5 and hour doesn't mean they will stay at that wage for their life and honestly, who gets hurt by this, mostly teenagers.

The government can have the best intentions in mind but the unforeseen consequences can be harmful. Look at education, it's great the that people can get loans to go to college and all, but now colleges are more expensive because the government guarantees those loans and gives them out to anyone who wants them. These students are free money for schools, so they become inefficient and do things they normally wouldn't otherwise. Doesn't matter if you an A or a D student, or what major you're going into, the government will loan you the money. So now you have people who probably shouldn't be going to college, going now and will either flunk out, or get a degree in something that has no job market at all. How many philosophy majors do we really need?

Instead these people could have better spent their time become mechanics, or carpenters or plumbers or some other trade that's needed. It's not like these professions are bad, they get paid pretty well actually, certainly better than what a philosophy major working as a cashier at Macy's does.

People want opportunities, not handouts and by creating a class of dependents you ensure they will never better themselves.

are you a supporter of ron pauls ideas of sound money?

I'm a supporter of sound money yes, because it keeps governments small, and by sound money I don't mean Breton Woods II, I mean a real gold/silver standard like the US had up until the creation of the Fed.

[R-ILLA]

I'm voting for the non gimmick... I don't wanna come off wrong U guys will take it wrong tho.
A sht load of people voted that never usually vote. Minorities voted for him just cause he was black. I don't care about what
Color the president is...
We need a new government period. We need to pull all
The army in. Focus on the us. And fck the world literally. Also senate congress should be regular people from various trades. ( scientists, plumbers, doctors, lawyers, starbucks managers ect.)

Also we need a org to police the government. Period. If they know every thing we do, I wanna know everything they do. It's our right..

I can dig that to the fullest.

[RicoVacilon]

Why is that funny? Serious question

I'm an elementary music teacher. Among other things.

[RicoVacilon]

While management possibly played a role in the demise of the company, it is hard to argue unions didn't either.

Here is why blaming the unions (solely) is unconscionable is related to the free market ideologues who believe the invisible hand will result in justice. They say that laborers shouldn't complain about working 18 hour shifts in coal mines with no respirators or medical treatment for black lung because the invisible hand would fix everything if they would just take their minimal power and pool it together. So they pool their minimal power together and form a union which the management actually has to respect and then the ideologues say that they're the reason the free market is a mess.