When People Say Dumb Shyt!!!

[SUPDOG]

The dumbest sht being said these days is this "attack on religious liberty" crap over contraceptives. What a load of crap.

Here's the bottom line, if your religious beliefs mean you shouldn't use birth control then don't use it! It doesn't mean that it shouldn't be made available to you thru an insurance program. No one is forcing them to use it. That would be the woman's decision, not the church. Add in the kicker that over 90% of catholic/christian women have used birth control anyway and there is common sense behind having the insurance companies covering and providing these women the same right and access as every other woman in this country. It also shows that most women don't back the church's stand on birth control anyway.

Damn Republicans blowing sht out of proportion again and straight up lying to every microphone they can stick their lips on.

Attack on religious liberites... gimme a break. Maybe the church should start paying taxes instead of stockpiling their efforts on this issue which, in reality, is the church attacking women's health and their rights.


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Wait, trampling all over the 1st ammendment in the name of the "will" of the liberal masses?

Yeah, my boy NB...somethings never change! lol!


Hmmm, I wonder what a Muslim organization like CAIR would have to "say", if the government forced them to provide BBQ Pork sandwiches for their members, or employees who may or may not be Muslim, etc. ?

Oh, I am sure the libs would lose their heads!

And yes, the spin attempts are pathetic. There is no other way to get around the FACT that the government is forcing its will upon the Catholic Church.

Just like I told you it would.

[SUPDOG]

I would be curious to know does the Catholic Church oppose the coverage of vasectomies or is it just birth control for women they oppose?

Of course it does. It is a mortal sin for a Catholic to have a vasectomy.

[SUPDOG]

Many insurance companies have been covering it for a long time now. Surprised you didn't know this. This article is from 2002:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91538#.T0U71vFun_M

Fox's own Hannity even defends viagra coverage by saying it solves a medical problem.
Asked how he felt about insurance companies covering male enhancement medication, Hannity strongly defended the practice, saying, “That is a medical problem!” >> http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011...lem/?mobile=nc


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So what's the angle here Nevada?

Are you implying that viagra is okay with the church because it is a male enhancement?

Just so you know, female enhancement products are okay with the church as well.

Why?

Because they are pro-life.

Let's review:

Contraception= against life

Enhancement Meds that are legal ones= Pro-life.

Got it? Great!

[sanantonio]

Of course it does. It is a mortal sin for a Catholic to have a vasectomy.

Well well the dead has arisen . Are you back or just visiting? Missed you!!

[SUPDOG]

Well well the dead has arisen . Are you back or just visiting? Missed you!!

I missed you too buddy! I'm back until I receive my next NB ban!

[Nevada_Ballin]

So what's the angle here Nevada?

Are you implying that viagra is okay with the church because it is a male enhancement?

Just so you know, female enhancement products are okay with the church as well.

Why?

Because they are pro-life.

Let's review:

Contraception= against life

Enhancement Meds that are legal ones= Pro-life.

Got it? Great!

The contraception issue is a woman's health issue, not a religious one. Where does the church get off telling the female employees of affiliated entities that they shouldn't have access to contraception via insurance like everyone else in this country?

• No one is forcing them to take it.
• It is meant to be an option under an insurance plan that the women pay into.
• Just another example of the church trying to oppress/control women and women's rights.

And welcome back


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[sanantonio]

I missed you too buddy! I'm back until I receive my next NB ban!

It's been pretty boring in here or I've just grown apathetic to the political landscape. I guess it all boils down to the fact that I know my political opinion means diddly squat and I'm not going to change any opinions arguing it here. It's fun sometimes but after awhile I'm like a cat I lose interest and just walk away. Oh, and welcome back till your next ban.

[SUPDOG]

The contraception issue is a woman's health issue, not a religious one. Where does the church get off telling the female employees of affiliated entities that they shouldn't have access to contraception via insurance like everyone else in this country?

• No one is forcing them to take it.
• It is meant to be an option under an insurance plan that the women pay into.
• Just another example of the church trying to oppress/control women and women's rights.

And welcome back


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Of course it is a "religious issue", especially for the Catholic Church. It is an attack on the first ammendment. If someone wants to work for an organization that provides contraception, then go work for that organization. You convieniently are overlooking the most important part of the discussion, which is, the government FORCING a Christian organization to provide a service that they are morally opposed to.

Just because "you say" it's not a religious issue, doesn't eliminate the reality that it is a first Ammendment issue.

So, hypothetically, a Muslim organization CAIR hires a catoring company to feed 1,000 people for a religious function. The catoring company is mandated by government to provide pork sandwiches for every one of its meals for nutritional purposes that the government deem "worthy", etc. Is it your stance that CAIR should "do the right thing" and serve up some pork and turn a blind eye to its moral obligation to God? Yes or no?

It appears that your opinion is the Church can hold any belief it wantse. paying and insurance company money that, as long as it doesn't put that belief into practice. They can "say" they are morally opposed to paying money to an insurance company that is mandated by the govt. to provide contraception/abortion, etc., but they still have to pay the money to the insurance company because the government says they must. "Free society"? Whatcha think?

Be all Jesus like you want, but don't put it into practice. THE GOVERNMENT IS SAYING THIS.

So, I'm morally opposed to robbing banks. The government passes a law that says, "you can be opposed to robbing banks", but you are "required to drive the get-away car". That don't seem right, does it? naw.

The church is not attempting to outlaw contraception. It is simply asking to not pay for it.

Your arguments are weak. I don't care how you spin it with verbage like "option" and "choice", etc., there is no denying that the government wants to mandate that the Catholic Church pays for a service that it is morally opposed to.

[Nevada_Ballin]

Of course it is a "religious issue", especially for the Catholic Church. It is an attack on the first ammendment. If someone wants to work for an organization that provides contraception, then go work for that organization. You convieniently are overlooking the most important part of the discussion, which is, the government FORCING a Christian organization to provide a service that they are morally opposed to.

Just because "you say" it's not a religious issue, doesn't eliminate the reality that it is a first Ammendment issue.

So, hypothetically, a Muslim organization CAIR hires a catoring company to feed 1,000 people for a religious function. The catoring company is mandated by government to provide pork sandwiches for every one of its meals for nutritional purposes that the government deem "worthy", etc. Is it your stance that CAIR should "do the right thing" and serve up some pork and turn a blind eye to its moral obligation to God? Yes or no?

It appears that your opinion is the Church can hold any belief it wantse. paying and insurance company money that, as long as it doesn't put that belief into practice. They can "say" they are morally opposed to paying money to an insurance company that is mandated by the govt. to provide contraception/abortion, etc., but they still have to pay the money to the insurance company because the government says they must. "Free society"? Whatcha think?

Be all Jesus like you want, but don't put it into practice. THE GOVERNMENT IS SAYING THIS.

So, I'm morally opposed to robbing banks. The government passes a law that says, "you can be opposed to robbing banks", but you are "required to drive the get-away car". That don't seem right, does it? naw.

The church is not attempting to outlaw contraception. It is simply asking to not pay for it.

Your arguments are weak. I don't care how you spin it with verbage like "option" and "choice", etc., there is no denying that the government wants to mandate that the Catholic Church pays for a service that it is morally opposed to.

So let me get this straight, you are against Christian American women having access to health care items under their insurance plans that everyone else has?

One more time, no one is forcing them to use the contraceptives.

It is apparent that Christian women choose to use contraceptives because statistical data shows that over 90% have already. You can try to wave that moral, religious flag all you want but it doesn't fly here. Women have been oppressed long enough by the church. Leave them alone and let them make their own choices and they can answer to their maker later. It isn't up to you or any religious leader to impose a false will of God upon anyone.

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[SUPDOG]

So let me get this straight, you are against Christian American women having access to health care items under their insurance plans that everyone else has?

One more time, no one is forcing them to use the contraceptives.

It is apparent that Christian women choose to use contraceptives because statistical data shows that over 90% have already. You can try to wave that moral, religious flag all you want but it doesn't fly here. Women have been oppressed long enough by the church. Leave them alone and let them make their own choices and they can answer to their maker later. It isn't up to you or any religious leader to impose a false will of God upon anyone.

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If those women work for the Catholic Church, then yes. Of course.

The rest is simply babble, and you can't deny the fact that the government is forcing to pay for something that it is morally opposed to. The first Amendment/Constitution, etc. means nothing to Obama. He is a snake. Just like I told you.

No answers to my questions either?


But believe me when I tell you that I am excited about this attack on our Christian liberty! There will be a great divide someday, and if Obama gets his second term, I think that great divide will be much more clear cut. I'm confident I'm on the right side. are you?

[Nevada_Ballin]

If those women work for the Catholic Church, then yes. Of course.

The rest is simply babble, and you can't deny the fact that the government is forcing to pay for something that it is morally opposed to. The first Amendment/Constitution, etc. means nothing to Obama. He is a snake. Just like I told you.

No answers to my questions either?


But believe me when I tell you that I am excited about this attack on our Christian liberty! There will be a great divide someday, and if Obama gets his second term, I think that great divide will be much more clear cut. I'm confident I'm on the right side. are you?

Your answers can be found in my comments because where i stand is very clear.

There's no attack on anyone's christian liberty. Once again, no one is being forced to USE the contraceptives.

The real attack is the church trying to keep their oppression of women at full throttle as much as they can by removing any choices they wish to have about their own health.


And until as the church starts paying it's fair share of taxes, it can stay out of politics. Talk about tax evaders, sheesh.


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[MonoxideChild]

I love you Supdog

[SUPDOG]

Your answers can be found in my comments because where i stand is very clear.

There's no attack on anyone's christian liberty. Once again, no one is being forced to USE the contraceptives.

The real attack is the church trying to keep their oppression of women at full throttle as much as they can by removing any choices they wish to have about their own health.


And until as the church starts paying it's fair share of taxes, it can stay out of politics. Talk about tax evaders, sheesh.


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But the reality is that women WILL chose to use contraception and the Church is paying the insurance company that provides it. Duh.

The Church is fine staying out of politics. Need I remind you that it is the government infringing on the Church and not the other way around? Me thinks you know that already.

At any rate.


First Amendment (in case you forgot):

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

And there you have it. End of debate.

[SUPDOG]

I love you Supdog

Sup buddy? Your sig implies that you may still be struggling with the maturity thing?

Just kiddin bro. Pray you are well!

[Nevada_Ballin]

But the reality is that women WILL chose to use contraception and the Church is paying the insurance company that provides it. Duh.

The Church is fine staying out of politics. Need I remind you that it is the government infringing on the Church and not the other way around? Me thinks you know that already.

At any rate.


First Amendment (in case you forgot):

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

And there you have it. End of debate.

So out of touch - no one is impeding the freedom to exercise their religion.

1. There are still church services
2. There is still prayer
3. There is still congregation
4. There are still bibles

Everything a christian could do on March 1st, 2011 in America they can do today on March 1st, 2012.

One more time - no one is forcing christian women to use contraceptives. But the church is certainly trying to keep them oppressed by restricting THEIR Constitutional rights as Americans. If there's any impedance, it is the church impeding women's rights.

Law trumps religion in this country. And your religion directs you to obey the laws of the land.

Now obey

End of debate properly.