When People Say Dumb Shyt!!!

[MonoxideChild]

Doesn't this only apply to places like hospitals that are overseen by church affiliated organizations? Like say the generic St. Mary's etc. I'm confused by this whole thing and I don't think anyone has ever really tried to clarify anything. It's just arguing about religion vs government, and I don't think it's even really close to that.

[SUPDOG]

So out of touch - no one is impeding the freedom to exercise their religion.

1. There are still church services
2. There is still prayer
3. There is still congregation
4. There are still bibles

Everything a christian could do on March 1st, 2011 in America they can do today on March 1st, 2012. .

Well, except for a Catholic Institution that chooses not pay into an insurance system that provides for contraception. Not paying into an insurance system that provides contraception IS an expression of a religious belief. Really, you don't get that? lol.

One more time - no one is forcing christian women to use contraceptives. But the church is certainly trying to keep them oppressed by restricting THEIR Constitutional rights as Americans. If there's any impedance, it is the church impeding women's rights.

Law trumps religion in this country. And your religion directs you to obey the laws of the land.

Now obey

End of debate properly.

A very large portion of the Catholic Church's religious expression is the teachings against the evil of contraception. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.158 These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, "every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" is intrinsically evil:159


Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.160

Contraception is labeled as "intrinsically evil" by the Church, and in fact, is a Mortal Sin in the eyes of the Church. So, if the government forcing the Church by law to pay into an insurance system, and provide a service that is "intrinsically evil", isn't impeding the Church from exercising its religious freedoms?

lol. How silly.



Again the facts have been presented and are indisputable. Is it any wonder you can't argue the issue and deflect with the out-dated and uneventful attacks like, " The Church is trying to control women", and its her choice? Yawn. You're gonna have to do better than that yo!

End of debate. lol.

[MonoxideChild]

But it's just giving them a choice. Nobody is forcing women to use contraception. If it's your personal freedom to practice whatever religion you want, then it's your choice as to what you feel you should adhere to right?

[SUPDOG]

But it's just giving them a choice. Nobody is forcing women to use contraception. If it's your personal freedom to practice whatever religion you want, then it's your choice as to what you feel you should adhere to right?

Choice means nothing in this discussion. Regardless of what the woman choosed to do, the contraception or abortions will be funded by the Catholic Church. It would be a grave sin against God for a Bishop, Priest, or Catholic University president, etc. to agree to fund someone's mortal sin. The mandate forces the Church to do so.

It is an attack on the freedom to practice the Church's Catholic beliefs. Plain and simple.

Do you think the government should force Muslim organizations to provide pork sandwiches in their cafeterias for those employees who may not practice the Muslim religion?

[MonoxideChild]

Choice means nothing in this discussion. Regardless of what the woman choosed to do, the contraception or abortions will be funded by the Catholic Church. It would be a grave sin against God for a Bishop, Priest, or Catholic University president, etc. to agree to fund someone's mortal sin. The mandate forces the Church to do so.

It is an attack on the freedom to practice the Church's Catholic beliefs. Plain and simple.

Do you think the government should force Muslim organizations to provide pork sandwiches in their cafeterias for those employees who may not practice the Muslim religion?

The church isn't funding anything though, the insurance companies are

[SUPDOG]

The church isn't funding anything though, the insurance companies are

The Church pays for the insurance that is mandated to provide the contraception in the policy. It is the same thing with a little bit of deception sprinkled on top.

[sanantonio]

The Church pays for the insurance that is mandated to provide the contraception in the policy. It is the same thing with a little bit of deception sprinkled on top.

Any organization deemed religious under criteria laid out by HHS and backed by the courts is not required to cover contraception. One of which is that said organization be non-profit.

[SUPDOG]

Any organization deemed religious under criteria laid out by HHS and backed by the courts is not required to cover contraception. One of which is that said organization be non-profit.

The Catholic Church MUST pay the premiums to insurance companies that are mandated to provide contraception and abortions.

It is the same thing.

[sanantonio]

The Catholic Church MUST pay the premiums to insurance companies that are mandated to provide contraception and abortions.

It is the same thing.

How does the Catholic Church pay if it meets all of the criteria as a religious organization?