Why has Zimmerman not been charged yet? Answer inside...

[levdgg]

If "if's and and's were pots and pans we'd all be gourmet chefs".

I think the funny part is white people don't want him to be white, even though he's 50% white. And hispanics don't want him to be hispanic, even though he's 50% hispanic.

This race classification stems back to slavery where if you had the tiniest bit of african american blood you were considered black. But if you could pass as white, you were classified as white. And from the pics I've seen his features from both parents are definitely present. He looks like a tanned white guy (living in Florida no less), with some minority blood in him. I dont think his minority features are that dominating that he couldn't pass as white.

That's why I believe his "whiteness" is even relevant - because it's a better story. I do agree with you there. Old White guy kills black teen is better than old hispanic guy kills black teen.
Also it's the same ol story - black person in a non black neighborhood, being followed around.

And I think he's 50% of both of those races in background and physical appearance (imo). Not like this guy looks like George Lopez.

Furthermore his lifestyle is that of a white man in Florida. That's another reason the white angle is being pushed. Because let's be real, armed hispanic dudes aren't self appointed captains of of neighborhood watches, hahah and don't follow black teens around with the police on the phone. That was the Zimmermann side of him.

I joke - I joke - I kid.

Dont need to ask A-Rod, my boy Ozzie "Castro" Guillen already told me that the only Mexico A-Rod is familiar with is Cancun.
And me, Jeff Garcia and Cameron Diaz go way back.

Regards,

50-50

I'm glad we agree.

So I looked this up to make sure I wasn't talking out of my ***. Apparently The New York Times was the only publication of record to have the term, "White Hispanic," in its stylebook. A stylebook is essentially a paper's guide to term usage, form, grammar etc. (Al Qaeda vs. Al Qaida; Mr. Obama vs. President Obama). They've used the term dating back to 1980. One story said they did a Nexus search and found only 122 instances of its usage.... EVER. This was prior to Zimmergate. I'm assuming they've at least quintupled the usage in the time since. That, my sensitive friend, is F'ing retarded; and why I say it reeks of dishonesty. Apparently Reuters runs with it now too.

For better or for worse, when someone is racially mixed, the media will choose the race by which they are associated depending on how it fits their narrative. You know if this mofo wins the Presidency, he is the "First Hispanic President;" and if he's winning some distinguished award his Hispanic heritage is getting play over his white heritage, regardless of the lifestyle to which he ascribes. Conversely, the funniest ish is if he's running from the law, you know the dispatcher is describing him a "Hispanic male in his early 30's."

I'm not saying any of this from the standpoint of me actually caring. But it's a classic case study of how irresponsible, inconsistent, and limp-dicked the media can be when handling confronting race issues. It is what is.

[Thong Sniffa]

I'm glad we agree.

So I looked this up to make sure I wasn't talking out of my ***. Apparently The New York Times was the only publication of record to have the term, "White Hispanic," in its stylebook. A stylebook is essentially a paper's guide to term usage, form, grammar etc. (Al Qaeda vs. Al Qaida; Mr. Obama vs. President Obama). They've used the term dating back to 1980. One story said they did a Nexus search and found only 122 instances of its usage.... EVER. This was prior to Zimmergate. I'm assuming they've at least quintupled the usage in the time since. That, my sensitive friend, is F'ing retarded; and why I say it reeks of dishonesty. Apparently Reuters runs with it now too.

For better or for worse, when someone is racially mixed, the media will choose the race by which they are associated depending on how it fits their narrative. You know if this mofo wins the Presidency, he is the "First Hispanic President;" and if he's winning some distinguished award his Hispanic heritage is getting play over his white heritage, regardless of the lifestyle to which he ascribes. Conversely, the funniest ish is if he's running from the law, you know the dispatcher is describing him a "Hispanic male in his early 30's."

I'm not saying any of this from the standpoint of me actually caring. But it's a classic case study of how irresponsible, inconsistent, and limp-dicked the media can be when handling confronting race issues. It is what is.

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What we talking bout? the media?

[levdgg]

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What we talking bout? the media?

We talking about White Hispanics?

[Comeback QB]

Who did he ask to call 911? GZ said he was getting his head bashed on the pavement and there hasn't been any medical report to my knowledge that has been released that proves any consistency of injuries to the events in question. Self defense is tricky which is probably why Chris Serino lead investigator on the case wanted to arrest his azz that night but higher ups pussed out. But there is an affidavit on file from that night lets see how much his story has changed once they haul his azz back in for questioning. Plus I could slap you up side the head with a bucket of proof and you still wouldn't see it.

OK, after he called 9-11? Anyone that could hear him screaming HELP! like 20 times (recorded on the 9-11 call). FYI help is short for "My good man, would you please call 9-11 as this hoodlum is bashing my head into the ground".

Police report said he was bleeding at the back of his head and eyewitness said he saw the kid on top bashing his head into the ground. Corroborating evidence.

Please slap me with your bucket because I am sure you have nothing but some faulty made-up fact pattern with 100% conjecture, 100% bias, and 300% stupidity.

[JoeJGibbs]

Where are all these different details being found? So far I've heard, the kid beat down Zimmermann. I've heard that the screams for help were the kid's, but according to ComebackQB they were screams from Zimmermann. I've heard that Zimmermann had no injuries when he was spoken to. The internet is a dangerous place. Someone with less sense would just take what StinkyBritchez219 said on a message board and go regurgitate it somewhere else.

There are way too many unsupported details being tossed around willy-nilly.

[JoeJGibbs]

I'm glad we agree.

So I looked this up to make sure I wasn't talking out of my ***. Apparently The New York Times was the only publication of record to have the term, "White Hispanic," in its stylebook. A stylebook is essentially a paper's guide to term usage, form, grammar etc. (Al Qaeda vs. Al Qaida; Mr. Obama vs. President Obama). They've used the term dating back to 1980. One story said they did a Nexus search and found only 122 instances of its usage.... EVER. This was prior to Zimmergate. I'm assuming they've at least quintupled the usage in the time since. That, my sensitive friend, is F'ing retarded; and why I say it reeks of dishonesty. Apparently Reuters runs with it now too.

For better or for worse, when someone is racially mixed, the media will choose the race by which they are associated depending on how it fits their narrative. You know if this mofo wins the Presidency, he is the "First Hispanic President;" and if he's winning some distinguished award his Hispanic heritage is getting play over his white heritage, regardless of the lifestyle to which he ascribes. Conversely, the funniest ish is if he's running from the law, you know the dispatcher is describing him a "Hispanic male in his early 30's."

I'm not saying any of this from the standpoint of me actually caring. But it's a classic case study of how irresponsible, inconsistent, and limp-dicked the media can be when handling confronting race issues. It is what is.

I'll agree with that assumption somewhat. Still just an assumption. So I'll ask you, which race should Zimmermann be counted as? The actual white-hispanic term is pretty fair. It's almost as if people are upset that he belongs to their race. Well he's 50% white and 50% hispanic. Don't be mad, just embrace his stupidity.

[levdgg]

I'll agree with that assumption somewhat. Still just an assumption. So I'll ask you, which race should Zimmermann be counted as? The actual white-hispanic term is pretty fair. It's almost as if people are upset that he belongs to their race. Well he's 50% white and 50% hispanic. Don't be mad, just embrace his stupidity.

It is tricky. Because on sight alone he passes for either hispanic or a very tan white guy. If you hear his name, you say white. If you hear his lineage, you say Hispanic. But that being said, if you're going to be consistent with how you'd probably refer to this guy in almost any other situation, I'd refer to him as Hispanic.

FWIW I really don't care whose race this guy belongs to. But the reference to his race has morphed an already tragic story into a divisive hate crime. And it's just more distraction from the facts of the case, which are jumbled as it is.

[JoeJGibbs]

It is tricky. Because on sight alone he passes for either hispanic or a very tan white guy. If you hear his name, you say white. If you hear his lineage, you say Hispanic. But that being said, if you're going to be consistent with how you'd probably refer to this guy in almost any other situation, I'd refer to him as Hispanic.

FWIW I really don't care whose race this guy belongs to. But the reference to his race has morphed an already tragic story into a divisive hate crime. And it's just more distraction from the facts of the case, which are jumbled as it is.

At least you're being fair with your synopsis.
The question is whether or not he was acting in self defense or not.
And I also think its important whether or not he had any injuries to corroborate the story of him getting his nose broken or whatever other injuries he claimed to have sustained.

What I think happened -- he approached the kid and they got into a scuffle and he was quick to pull out his gun and shoot knowing he could. I think all of this talk, "he was bashing his head on the sidewalk" is jibberish.


Alas, now his lawyers have abandoned him and noone knows where he is hiding. The 1st thing in my head based on the crazy press conference that his lawyers staged this so he can say his injuries healed when he finally surfaces and then join him again. Now I'm hearing that his vanishing is forcing a decision on whether or not he'll be arrested because they'd see him as a flight risk.

I just don't know. ish is weird.

[JoeJGibbs]

OK, after he called 9-11? Anyone that could hear him screaming HELP! like 20 times (recorded on the 9-11 call). FYI help is short for "My good man, would you please call 9-11 as this hoodlum is bashing my head into the ground".

Police report said he was bleeding at the back of his head and eyewitness said he saw the kid on top bashing his head into the ground. Corroborating evidence.

Please slap me with your bucket because I am sure you have nothing but some faulty made-up fact pattern with 100% conjecture, 100% bias, and 300% stupidity.

I dont think you should be allowed to participate. The news doesn't reach you fast enough up there.
lol

According to 2 foresnic scientists that voice calling for help was not Zimmermann
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...e-experts-say/

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/02/...p-in-911-call/

[levdgg]

At least you're being fair with your synopsis.
The question is whether or not he was acting in self defense or not.
And I also think its important whether or not he had any injuries to corroborate the story of him getting his nose broken or whatever other injuries he claimed to have sustained.

What I think happened -- he approached the kid and they got into a scuffle and he was quick to pull out his gun and shoot knowing he could. I think all of this talk, "he was bashing his head on the sidewalk" is jibberish.


Alas, now his lawyers have abandoned him and noone knows where he is hiding. The 1st thing in my head based on the crazy press conference that his lawyers staged this so he can say his injuries healed when he finally surfaces and then join him again. Now I'm hearing that his vanishing is forcing a decision on whether or not he'll be arrested because they'd see him as a flight risk.

I just don't know. ish is weird.

If I had to speculate:

At best the guy F'ed up.... terribly. And now his life is cooked, and another life is gone. And the whole thing was totally unavoidable. I don't think it was a hate crime. And if he did "follow him," I don't think his hope was to shoot him. But his predisposition toward what a black kid ... in a hoodie... at night ...represented... served as a catalyst for what transpired. And now there's a decent chance that he will go free under Florida law

To me (and I think McMadden mentioned this, but it was glossed over), the bigger issue is this Stand-Your-Ground law, which even I don't fully understand. Here in VA, we have very liberal gun laws with respect to obtaining one. But that's mitigated equally strict laws with regarding to discharging them. When you take the pre-requisite class before getting your conceal-carry permit, they will make it very clear to you what it could mean if you pull the trigger. Someone breaking into your house is not automatic grounds for shooting them. They may have stumbled into the house by mistake, or surrendered to you. You can only defend friends and close family with deadly force if their lives are in danger (i.e. not your job to be a good samaritan with a glock). And shooting an attacker or intruder purposely in the leg is probably worse than killing them because it is considered maiming, and you've also left an opposing side of the story open. So when you shoot, you better be ready to kill someone.

In Florida, they not only give you a right to carry, but a right to kill, it seems. On the surface, this story does not seem in the spirit of the Stand-Your-Ground law. But on the flip side, there was a story posted on her last year about a Florida jogger who thwarted being robbed by two kids by shooting and killing one of them in self-defense. It was open-and-shut, and 100/100 times I have no problem with that.

[levdgg]

I dont think you should be allowed to participate. The news doesn't reach you fast enough up there.
lol

According to 2 foresnic scientists that voice calling for help was not Zimmermann
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...e-experts-say/

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/02/...p-in-911-call/

Yeah, but even thatcan just as quickly be refuted.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/06/vo...rtin-911-tape/

Thus far, there's been no test to date confirming it was Martin's voice.

[Comeback QB]

Yeah, but even thatcan just as quickly be refuted.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/06/vo...rtin-911-tape/

Thus far, there's been no test to date confirming it was Martin's voice.

hmm so, 48% match between Zimmerman's calm voice directly into a mic/phone vs way off in the distance background screaming voice.

But it was a "young man's voice" because of pitch says' experts.

Scientifically proven not to be his voice says' experts.

I know this is not DNA but what is the chance that my calm voice matches that scream

Quote Originally Posted by JoeJGibbs View Post
At least you're being fair with your synopsis.
The question is whether or not he was acting in self defense or not.
And I also think its important whether or not he had any injuries to corroborate the story of him getting his nose broken or whatever other injuries he claimed to have sustained.

What I think happened -- he approached the kid and they got into a scuffle and he was quick to pull out his gun and shoot knowing he could. I think all of this talk, "he was bashing his head on the sidewalk" is jibberish.

As for the head injuries,

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/geor...artin-16053206

[Comeback QB]

I dont think you should be allowed to participate. The news doesn't reach you fast enough up there.
lol

According to 2 foresnic scientists that voice calling for help was not Zimmermann
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...e-experts-say/

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/02/...p-in-911-call/

Do you know you are a racist. You hate Canadians. Come to terms with you discriminatory biases ... everybody has them, just that yours are more clearer than most.
Clearly, so get on the lynch mob to hunt down JZ because interent facts support you.

[Comeback QB]

If I had to speculate:

At best the guy F'ed up.... terribly. And now his life is cooked, and another life is gone. And the whole thing was totally unavoidable. I don't think it was a hate crime. And if he did "follow him," I don't think his hope was to shoot him. But his predisposition toward what a black kid ... in a hoodie... at night ...represented... served as a catalyst for what transpired. And now there's a decent chance that he will go free under Florida law

To me (and I think McMadden mentioned this, but it was glossed over), the bigger issue is this Stand-Your-Ground law, which even I don't fully understand. Here in VA, we have very liberal gun laws with respect to obtaining one. But that's mitigated equally strict laws with regarding to discharging them. When you take the pre-requisite class before getting your conceal-carry permit, they will make it very clear to you what it could mean if you pull the trigger. Someone breaking into your house is not automatic grounds for shooting them. They may have stumbled into the house by mistake, or surrendered to you. You can only defend friends and close family with deadly force if their lives are in danger (i.e. not your job to be a good samaritan with a glock). And shooting an attacker or intruder purposely in the leg is probably worse than killing them because it is considered maiming, and you've also left an opposing side of the story open. So when you shoot, you better be ready to kill someone.

In Florida, they not only give you a right to carry, but a right to kill, it seems. On the surface, this story does not seem in the spirit of the Stand-Your-Ground law. But on the flip side, there was a story posted on her last year about a Florida jogger who thwarted being robbed by two kids by shooting and killing one of them in self-defense. It was open-and-shut, and 100/100 times I have no problem with that.

Maybe, by why wait for a teenager, who has been known for mischief, and is around the age that most violent criminals are believed to be ... bash your head into the pavement before you shot him.

I get the sorrow for losing a teen ... but the kid has a poor record of recent. He is at that age where typical delinquency occurs ... it is not a reach for me to believe that JZ was actually defending himself. I can't prove either way, nor can the prosecutor amidst huge public scrutiny so why is it so hard to believe? Somehow there is a huge conspiracy covering his @ss, what does anyone have to gain from keeping an obviously non-white guy out of courts? A law suit maybe?

But basically yeah, allow people to be pretend cowboys and you re going to get pretend indians shot dead. Get rid of carrying guns like that, or make it harder for people to use them in such a way.

[JoeJGibbs]

Yeah, but even thatcan just as quickly be refuted.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/06/vo...rtin-911-tape/

Thus far, there's been no test to date confirming it was Martin's voice.

Nobody said it was Martin. They said "It's not zimmermann