Had Trayvon killed Zimmerman then his past would have been relevant and used in a court of law as will GZ's.Originally Posted by H1tStick
Had Trayvon killed Zimmerman then his past would have been relevant and used in a court of law as will GZ's.
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Originally Posted by sanantonio
Zimmerheads past,( What is so bad about his past?)
Domestic abuse and an arrest for assaulting a police officer.
alleged voice recognition experts don't agree that it's GZ screaming for help on the 911 call,( Who did they say it was screaming?)
Using voice recognition software the voice came back as a 48% id for GZ for it to be a positive match it has to be 99% last I heard they had not tested Trayvon'e voice.
not heeding the dispatcher that they did not need him to pursue,( How do you know he kept going in the 911 call he says ok and quits running)
Actually he said and I'm paraphrasing "I'm pursuing the suspect" the dispatcher replied, we don't need you to do that. Clearly not wanting GZ to have any kind of interaction or confrontation with said suspect (Trayvon). Not real clear on the timeline but it would appear GZ meets or see's Trayvon on his return trip from the store. GZ could have easily let him continue on his way.
the lead investigator not buying GZ's story the night of the murder but was told to back off by higher ups,( Didn't hear anything about this?)
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...atal-shooting/
approaching a stranger on a dark and rainy night asking questions,( He is a neighborhood watch guy what was he supposed to do?)
What would you do if you were approached by somebody you don't know on a dark and rainy night asking you questions? How do you know he's legit and that your not about to be bum rushed?
yep I can see how that should go well, plus did Trayvon have any right to stand his ground? ( He had the right to stand his ground, but why did he not run if he was scared?)
How do we know he didn't try?
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In establishing motive to why and what Trayvon was doing there, it certainly is relevant.
You can't have it both ways. You only want dirt on the guy CNN told you to hate, not full disclosure of both parties.
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You really need to stop using that. There have been several forensic experts stepping out and saying their testing procedure was ridiculous and could not be remotely accurate. Here's one:
Here's another:Dr. James Wayman, a San Jose State University expert in the field of speech science, told The Daily Caller that he questions the grounds on which Owen based his analysis.
Wayman also said he would be willing to testify against the admissibility of Owen’s findings on the grounds that they don’t meet the criteria required for evidence in federal courts.
“There is no history of, or data on, the comparison of a questioned scream to a known speech sample,” Wayman said.
And one more:Dr. Philip Rose of the Australian National University told TheDC that scientific experts refer to Primeau’s method as “naïve voice recognition.” His influential 2002 book Forensic Speaker Identification draws a major distinction between naïve and “technical forensics” voice recognition.
“Naïve voice recognition is so prone to error that it is acknowledged that it is worthless as evidence,” Rose said via email.
A forensic expert’s job, he said, is to assess the strength of evidence, not to estimate the probability of a hypothesis. And “the value of the evidence depends … on the similarity of the samples.”
In a properly conducted analysis, he told TheDC, “you would still have to do the comparison using screamed and phone samples, with many speakers.”
Aaaand another. Just to demonstrate how you are blindly following the opinion of one man who has no credibility in the forensics community, instead of the many who do:One voice authentication expert whose work is commercial in nature told TheDC that screaming, stress, and a recording’s audio quality can “wreak havoc” on voice biometric software and its ability to interpret data.
And speaking of Owen’s findings, another industry insider said that “a legitimate biometrics expert would likely refute the contentions” and suggests that these were “incendiary publicity plays.”
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This doesn't sound like someone who's waiting for "actual factuals" to come out. This sounds like someone who is looking at the situation from a definite perspective, and deciding what to believe without knowing all the facts.
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Originally Posted by Levdogg
Thanks for the response. Interesting stuff I have not heard.
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*the above statement was not intended as a passive aggressive comment*
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Look neither can you. You are on the GZ side it's plain as the nose on yor face (pun intended). I'm on the Trayvon side thiers no arguing that.
As to my motives there are a few (possibly quite a few) of us in the minority community that do not feel we have been fairly served by our judicial system in the past which makes it very easy to look upon it with suspician.
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All of that leads me to pause and say whoa Nellie!! But in the end I see him as guilty I've already said that. I'm just saying now we will get to hear the rest of the story.
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Apparently you missed the alleged voice recognition experts part.
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I will ask this question once again since I've asked it several times (intentional exaggeration) and everyone convienently ignores it but here goes.
What would you do on a dark and rainy night when approached by a complete stranger in a neigborhood that's not your own questioning you up? Would you automatically trust him to be who he says he is? What happens if he tries to detain you? Do you question if you are being set up to get jacked?
These are questions that would be running through my mind and personally GZ would have gotten cussed out and told to back up off me.
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Remember, if President Obama had a son then would look like Trayvon.
#wearealltrayvon #justdoit #isitinyou?
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Well I'll ask you since you checked in with the Super Bowl hangover and all. But what would you do?
What would you do on a dark and rainy night when approached by a complete stranger in a neigborhood that's not your own questioning you up? Would you automatically trust him to be who he says he is? What happens if he tries to detain you? Do you question if you are being set up to get jacked?
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-Willie Jones
Now, if we are strictly talking about the case then I must say that you and I do not have the facts so this is all hypothetical. It is annoying how much the media narrative has blinded you that you are playing off rumors as facts. Why can't you let it play out? You're so quick to judge and it's obvious. I've been quiet within this thread mostly but I read all that is said.
I can't answer the hypothetical because i'll never be in that situation.
Welker a possesion WR's just like all Caucasian WR's so when you can no longer do that, you gotta sit the bench or learn how to kick FGs or Punts -STICKTHEVICKTIM
I'm not the one making any assumptions. You are.
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No, but I didn't miss the part where you tried to use knowingly bad "evidence" to bolster your argument.
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