The draft, and your team.

[H1tStick]

Draft is less than a week away. We've done some (turrrible, Lev ಠ_ಠ) mocks, but in regard to your team, who do you want them to take, and who do you want to stay away from?

I want:

Decastro. Last time we raised some eyebrows and took a guard mid-first, it turned out to be one of the best guards ever. Decastro, I think he can be better than Hutch.

Do not want:

Couples, lazy player. I feel laziness is a character deficiency that is almost impossible to overcome. I wouldn't hate the pick, because we need the rush help, but I am very cautious.

Dontari Poe, If you struggle against conference USA, how well do you expect to do against the best athletes in the world?

Mark Barron. There's been several rumors of Seattle taking Barron, and moving Chancellor to a hybrid safety/LB role. Makes zero sense to me. We have the best young safety tandem in the league, I see no reason to mess with it.

[kevin21boston]

Want:

-For fcks sake Belicheck just use the two firsts. We are contenders, not rebuilding. USE THE PICKS!

-Levonte David. Reach and take him at #27. I don't care. I want this guy playing on our football team. He is the best college LB I've seen since Derrick Johnson at Texas. Absolutely dominant. His size will cause him to fall a little bit but the skill is there. I wouldn't fault a team for picking him in the top 20 or even the top 15.

-I'm in the minority but if he's available at #27 I wouldn't mind taking Dontari Poe. Guys that big and strong are rare and he will have time to develop behind Wilfork. I wouldn't mind seeing us take Jerel Worthy either. Much more productive than Poe but Poe has once in a decade type of athleticism.

-Dre Kirkpatrick or Janoris Jenkins. We desperately need CB help.

-Bruce Irvin: Great pass rusher but can't really do much else. But we need to get to the QB, as does any team. I hope we target him in the second round.

-David Wilson: Yeah we drafted two RBs in the second round last year but we rotate our backs very frequently so having depth there is important. I like Woodhead as a person but he's nothing special as a player. Wilson is one of the best pure athletes in the draft and has the college production to back it up. I think he's gone in the top 15 though.

-Jared Crick in the second round. I think he's better than Jared Odrick was coming out of college at the same position and defense. Odrick went #28 but I can see Crick going in the 30s or 40s. He fits the system very well and will allow us to target pass rushers or the elite CBs with #27 and #31.

-On Day 3 I would like us to take Logan Harrell from Fresno State. A dominant lineman that can play the 3 or 5 tech depending on the situation.


Do not want:

-Stephen Hill: Worst hands in the draft, extrememly underdeveloped route runner. Would be a horrible pick but Belicheck doesn't reach or make stupid picks in the first round.

-Michael Brockers: Just was never impressed by him. He's a project rather than an impact player. We need players that can immediately contribute. I can see him falling out of the top 40 and then I wouldn't mind getting him. But not in the first round.

-Melvin Ingram: Too small to make an impact. I don't think Belicheck takes him because he drafts big DLmen but if he falls to us it might be tempting. Clowney as a true freshman was way better than him.




Guys that I think are going to fall:

-Ryan Tannehill: Wouldn't be surprised if he fell to the second round. He just isn't good. When you don't produce in the Big 12 there is something fundamentally wrong with you as a QB. He is extremely inexperienced as well. I am going to laugh if he goes in the top 5. A bust waiting to happen.

-Melvin Ingram: Too small with no real position.

-Quenton Coples: 3rd round pick here. All the mocks have in somewhere between 7 and 15 but that is a joke. He doesn't work hard, has character concerns, and wasn't even that great in a horrible conference. Will be out of the league by 2015.

-Michael Brockers: Raw but has potential. Mocks have him in the middle of the first but I see somewhere between 30 and 45.

-Stephen Hill: WRs who can't catch don't get drafted in the first round. Will be a mid 2nd or 3rd round pick purely based on athleticism.



Guys that I think are going to rise:

-Levonte David: Great player, great production. Undersized but a first round talent. Mocks have him in the second round but I think he can sneak into the late 20s/early 30s.

-Dre Kirkpatrick: Will be the second CB off the board and probably in the middle of the first round.

-David Wilson: Athletic freak, reportedly interviewed extremely well, and produced. Could go in the top 15 or top 20.

-Janoris Jenkins: Was a starting corner on a loaded Florida team as a true freshman. Don't care that he smokes weed and teams don't care either. Should go in the top 20.

-LaMichael James: There's no way he goes in the top 30 but he's a sure thing and will make an impact immediately as a returner and a third down back. By sure thing I mean that his particular skillset won't allow to him to bust. At worst he's a guy that can carry the ball 50-100 times and catch 30-60 balls per season.

-Brock Oswelier: I would take him ahead of Tannehill. Huge guy with a big arm. More developed than Tannehill but is by no means ready to be an NFL QB.

[Indecline]

Jenkins or Dennard from Neb.(Might fall now)

Anyone to get Routt off the field.

[Indecline]

Want:

-For fcks sake Belicheck just use the two firsts. We are contenders, not rebuilding. USE THE PICKS!

-Levonte David. Reach and take him at #27. I don't care. I want this guy playing on our football team. He is the best college LB I've seen since Derrick Johnson at Texas. Absolutely dominant. His size will cause him to fall a little bit but the skill is there. I wouldn't fault a team for picking him in the top 20 or even the top 15.

-I'm in the minority but if he's available at #27 I wouldn't mind taking Dontari Poe. Guys that big and strong are rare and he will have time to develop behind Wilfork. I wouldn't mind seeing us take Jerel Worthy either. Much more productive than Poe but Poe has once in a decade type of athleticism.

-Dre Kirkpatrick or Janoris Jenkins. We desperately need CB help.

-Bruce Irvin: Great pass rusher but can't really do much else. But we need to get to the QB, as does any team. I hope we target him in the second round.

-David Wilson: Yeah we drafted two RBs in the second round last year but we rotate our backs very frequently so having depth there is important. I like Woodhead as a person but he's nothing special as a player. Wilson is one of the best pure athletes in the draft and has the college production to back it up. I think he's gone in the top 15 though.

-Jared Crick in the second round. I think he's better than Jared Odrick was coming out of college at the same position and defense. Odrick went #28 but I can see Crick going in the 30s or 40s. He fits the system very well and will allow us to target pass rushers or the elite CBs with #27 and #31.

-On Day 3 I would like us to take Logan Harrell from Fresno State. A dominant lineman that can play the 3 or 5 tech depending on the situation.


Do not want:

-Stephen Hill: Worst hands in the draft, extrememly underdeveloped route runner. Would be a horrible pick but Belicheck doesn't reach or make stupid picks in the first round.

-Michael Brockers: Just was never impressed by him. He's a project rather than an impact player. We need players that can immediately contribute. I can see him falling out of the top 40 and then I wouldn't mind getting him. But not in the first round.

-Melvin Ingram: Too small to make an impact. I don't think Belicheck takes him because he drafts big DLmen but if he falls to us it might be tempting. Clowney as a true freshman was way better than him.




Guys that I think are going to fall:

-Ryan Tannehill: Wouldn't be surprised if he fell to the second round. He just isn't good. When you don't produce in the Big 12 there is something fundamentally wrong with you as a QB. He is extremely inexperienced as well. I am going to laugh if he goes in the top 5. A bust waiting to happen.

-Melvin Ingram: Too small with no real position.

-Quenton Coples: 3rd round pick here. All the mocks have in somewhere between 7 and 15 but that is a joke. He doesn't work hard, has character concerns, and wasn't even that great in a horrible conference. Will be out of the league by 2015.

-Michael Brockers: Raw but has potential. Mocks have him in the middle of the first but I see somewhere between 30 and 45.

-Stephen Hill: WRs who can't catch don't get drafted in the first round. Will be a mid 2nd or 3rd round pick purely based on athleticism.



Guys that I think are going to rise:

-Levonte David: Great player, great production. Undersized but a first round talent. Mocks have him in the second round but I think he can sneak into the late 20s/early 30s.

-Dre Kirkpatrick: Will be the second CB off the board and probably in the middle of the first round.

-David Wilson: Athletic freak, reportedly interviewed extremely well, and produced. Could go in the top 15 or top 20.

-Janoris Jenkins: Was a starting corner on a loaded Florida team as a true freshman. Don't care that he smokes weed and teams don't care either. Should go in the top 20.

-LaMichael James: There's no way he goes in the top 30 but he's a sure thing and will make an impact immediately as a returner and a third down back. By sure thing I mean that his particular skillset won't allow to him to bust. At worst he's a guy that can carry the ball 50-100 times and catch 30-60 balls per season.

-Brock Oswelier: I would take him ahead of Tannehill. Huge guy with a big arm. More developed than Tannehill but is by no means ready to be an NFL QB.

I disagree with you on Coples. Hes got raw talent and with all the **** thats gone down at UNC in the last 2 years there were a lot of players underachieving with all the distractions.

[ballaman]

Want:

-For fcks sake Belicheck just use the two firsts. We are contenders, not rebuilding. USE THE PICKS!

-Levonte David. Reach and take him at #27. I don't care. I want this guy playing on our football team. He is the best college LB I've seen since Derrick Johnson at Texas. Absolutely dominant. His size will cause him to fall a little bit but the skill is there. I wouldn't fault a team for picking him in the top 20 or even the top 15.

-I'm in the minority but if he's available at #27 I wouldn't mind taking Dontari Poe. Guys that big and strong are rare and he will have time to develop behind Wilfork. I wouldn't mind seeing us take Jerel Worthy either. Much more productive than Poe but Poe has once in a decade type of athleticism.

-Dre Kirkpatrick or Janoris Jenkins. We desperately need CB help.

-Bruce Irvin: Great pass rusher but can't really do much else. But we need to get to the QB, as does any team. I hope we target him in the second round.

-David Wilson: Yeah we drafted two RBs in the second round last year but we rotate our backs very frequently so having depth there is important. I like Woodhead as a person but he's nothing special as a player. Wilson is one of the best pure athletes in the draft and has the college production to back it up. I think he's gone in the top 15 though.

-Jared Crick in the second round. I think he's better than Jared Odrick was coming out of college at the same position and defense. Odrick went #28 but I can see Crick going in the 30s or 40s. He fits the system very well and will allow us to target pass rushers or the elite CBs with #27 and #31.

-On Day 3 I would like us to take Logan Harrell from Fresno State. A dominant lineman that can play the 3 or 5 tech depending on the situation.


Do not want:

-Stephen Hill: Worst hands in the draft, extrememly underdeveloped route runner. Would be a horrible pick but Belicheck doesn't reach or make stupid picks in the first round.

-Michael Brockers: Just was never impressed by him. He's a project rather than an impact player. We need players that can immediately contribute. I can see him falling out of the top 40 and then I wouldn't mind getting him. But not in the first round.

-Melvin Ingram: Too small to make an impact. I don't think Belicheck takes him because he drafts big DLmen but if he falls to us it might be tempting. Clowney as a true freshman was way better than him.




Guys that I think are going to fall:

-Ryan Tannehill: Wouldn't be surprised if he fell to the second round. He just isn't good. When you don't produce in the Big 12 there is something fundamentally wrong with you as a QB. He is extremely inexperienced as well. I am going to laugh if he goes in the top 5. A bust waiting to happen.

-Melvin Ingram: Too small with no real position.

-Quenton Coples: 3rd round pick here. All the mocks have in somewhere between 7 and 15 but that is a joke. He doesn't work hard, has character concerns, and wasn't even that great in a horrible conference. Will be out of the league by 2015.

-Michael Brockers: Raw but has potential. Mocks have him in the middle of the first but I see somewhere between 30 and 45.

-Stephen Hill: WRs who can't catch don't get drafted in the first round. Will be a mid 2nd or 3rd round pick purely based on athleticism.



Guys that I think are going to rise:

-Levonte David: Great player, great production. Undersized but a first round talent. Mocks have him in the second round but I think he can sneak into the late 20s/early 30s.

-Dre Kirkpatrick: Will be the second CB off the board and probably in the middle of the first round.

-David Wilson: Athletic freak, reportedly interviewed extremely well, and produced. Could go in the top 15 or top 20.

-Janoris Jenkins: Was a starting corner on a loaded Florida team as a true freshman. Don't care that he smokes weed and teams don't care either. Should go in the top 20.

-LaMichael James: There's no way he goes in the top 30 but he's a sure thing and will make an impact immediately as a returner and a third down back. By sure thing I mean that his particular skillset won't allow to him to bust. At worst he's a guy that can carry the ball 50-100 times and catch 30-60 balls per season.

-Brock Oswelier: I would take him ahead of Tannehill. Huge guy with a big arm. More developed than Tannehill but is by no means ready to be an NFL QB.

Not a chance in hell. Richardson might be the only back taken in the first round.

[JoeJGibbs]

Robert Griffin III

[H1tStick]

Forgot Tannehil on my do not touch with a 10 foot pole list. There is nothing about him that impresses me, and everything that scares me.

[kevin21boston]

Not a chance in hell. Richardson might be the only back taken in the first round.

Richardson is the only guaranteed 1st round pick of all the RBs but I think Wilson and Doug Martin could sneak in as well.

[H1tStick]

Kev, is there a 4-3(Leo) DE that you would take at 12? I know that's our biggest need but I just do not see the value here.

[ballaman]

Richardson is the only guaranteed 1st round pick of all the RBs but I think Wilson and Doug Martin could sneak in as well.

Ok thats fine, but "sneaking in" to the 1st round is A LOT different than being drafted Top 15. Thats why I said not a chance in hell. Unless it is a can't miss, once every decade type running back, they don't go until late 1st or 2nd round. Just the nature of the position. Wilson is not that.

[ballaman]

Kev, is there a 4-3(Leo) DE that you would take at 12? I know that's our biggest need but I just do not see the value here.

I'm not really qualified to speak on DE's but I disagree and really like Ingram. Every time I watched South Carolina play he was always in the backfield disrupting plays. Don't know how high he's projected to go, but I would not feel too bad if Seattle goes that route.

[kevin21boston]

Kev, is there a 4-3(Leo) DE that you would take at 12? I know that's our biggest need but I just do not see the value here.

I don't know if this trend will continue but the last few drafts have seen a 4-3 DE that gets taken 10-15 spots higher than everyone expected (Aldon Smith in 2011, Jason Pierre Paul in 2010, Aaron Maybin in 2009) right around that #12 spot so it's hard to gauge who should go there and who will actually get selected there.

I think Nick Perry will be that guy this year. Here he is versus Stanford at RDE going up against Jonathan Martin. Rushes the passer very well but is pretty ineffective against the run, although you could argue that it's not really his job. Here he is very effective against an Oregon team that uses a lot of quick passes but again he gets destroyed against the run. At the combine he ran a 4.64 forty, a ridiculous ten yard split of 1.57, 35 reps on the bench, and vertical of 38.5'' so it shows incredible athleticism. Plus Carroll recruited him so that might be another sign that he could go to Seattle.

I don't really like anybody else that high. I could see the Browns trading the #22 and some other pick for the #12 so they can get Malcolm Floyd and allow Seattle to drop back, still get a DE, and pick up another good pick.

[kevin21boston]

Ok thats fine, but "sneaking in" to the 1st round is A LOT different than being drafted Top 15. Thats why I said not a chance in hell. Unless it is a can't miss, once every decade type running back, they don't go until late 1st or 2nd round. Just the nature of the position. Wilson is not that.

I completely agree with that in theory but logic goes out the window during the draft. Ryan Mathews and Knowshon Moreno each going #12 in 2009 and 2010, Jonathan Stewart going #13 in 2008, and Marshawn Lynch going #12 in 2007 show that teams would take a RB that high. None of them were viewed in the same ilk as Adrian Peterson, Reggie Bush, or even Darren McFadden.

Some teams could see him as a franchise changing back and would value him accordingly. He is one of the best, if not the best athlete of all the skill players (4.40 forty, 11' broad jump, 41'' vertical- Julio Jones type of numbers) as well as excellent production (1700 rush yards, 5.9 ypc). And I think he is a better prospect that the guys who typically go at the end of round one/ early in round two like Ingram, McCluster, or Donald Brown. He reminds me a lot of Jahvid Best who went #30 if he were healthy could have been selected much higher.

[H1tStick]

I don't know if this trend will continue but the last few drafts have seen a 4-3 DE that gets taken 10-15 spots higher than everyone expected (Aldon Smith in 2011, Jason Pierre Paul in 2010, Aaron Maybin in 2009) right around that #12 spot so it's hard to gauge who should go there and who will actually get selected there.

I think Nick Perry will be that guy this year. Here he is versus Stanford at RDE going up against Jonathan Martin. Rushes the passer very well but is pretty ineffective against the run, although you could argue that it's not really his job. Here he is very effective against an Oregon team that uses a lot of quick passes but again he gets destroyed against the run. At the combine he ran a 4.64 forty, a ridiculous ten yard split of 1.57, 35 reps on the bench, and vertical of 38.5'' so it shows incredible athleticism. Plus Carroll recruited him so that might be another sign that he could go to Seattle.

I don't really like anybody else that high. I could see the Browns trading the #22 and some other pick for the #12 so they can get Malcolm Floyd and allow Seattle to drop back, still get a DE, and pick up another good pick.

Cool breakdown, thanks. I was on the Perry train early(I actually picked him in the mock) but I just don't know if he is too one-dimensional. I would love to drop down and get him though. I would love to drop down period. Nothing fits at 12.

[QBStokes4]

Miami is ****ed. i already know it