Myths about bodybuilding and fitness

[Comeback QB]

Exactly, that was my overall point. Because someone had success with technique A does not mean that is hard proof of anything.

I get where you're going, but we are repeating two assumptions in this thread, a hard working theory of the way Calories are used, and that 'everybody is different'.

If we study this in a quantitative method that can prove causation that Calories cause people to be fatter, and we will likely see a general imprint that everybody is not different. Yet, there will be variation, so how do we explain the variation?

That is why these more qualitative studies are useful.

I have studied digestion, and I can say in general, the principles should be universal. But, how do I explain an anomaly like that more African blacks tend to be lacto intolerant vs Europeans? A qualitative study can show that certain people lack the enzymes to breakdown the milk sugars etc. You have to dissect people individual to come up with the evidence.

This drums up another point I made earlier, if person A ate 6000 Calories and person B ate 3000, and they had the same daily routine, who would be fatter?

You can't answer that without more information because the Calories in person A's diet may be mostly cellulose, or things that are not digested due to the lack of bacteria's and enzymes needed to break the diet down.

Therefore, a person who eats 6000 calories of, mostly, salad daily vs a person who eats 3000 that has a slice of cake in there, person B will likely be fatter. Calories are not digested equally, nor are they used equally. Counting them may help you in general, but understanding the qualities of food and your own body will be better if you want total control.

[H1tStick]

I want to know why I used to be 235 pounds and ripped in college but cant keep weight on now no matter how much I eat/lift...

[Calhoun County]

I want to know why I used to be 235 pounds and ripped in college but cant keep weight on now no matter how much I eat/lift...

Add more weight....phug it

[Calhoun County]

Most of the obese people I know just downright eat to much. They go over their BMR and aren't active thus not creating a caloric deficit. "They" tell you sugar is poison, don't eat meat, don't eat fruit, stayed away from grains etc. I'm not saying eat fried chicken and pizza all day (you could if its under your BMR) but all this eat this but don't eat this stuff is hog wash. If your not active and tend to go over your BMR 9 times out of 10 you will put on weight over time.

[Calhoun County]

Comeback your correct, which is why you could eat all the fruit and veggies you want and not gain body fat. All other foods you need a deficit, whether its grilled chicken and tuna or fried chicken and deep fried shrimp.

[TheRealist]

I go to this site quite often...

http://www.leangains.com/

I'm not a big weight lifter, but right now I'm in the process of trying to get in shape and this site has cut me down from 242 to around 220 in about a month and a half. It pretty much explores the link between metabolism and food intake. He completely destroys the 5 small meals myth by replacing it with (in my opinion) a more natural scientific approach.

[JoeJGibbs]

I get where you're going, but we are repeating two assumptions in this thread, a hard working theory of the way Calories are used, and that 'everybody is different'.

If we study this in a quantitative method that can prove causation that Calories cause people to be fatter, and we will likely see a general imprint that everybody is not different. Yet, there will be variation, so how do we explain the variation?
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That is why these more qualitative studies are useful.

I have studied digestion, and I can say in general, the principles should be universal. But, how do I explain an anomaly like that more African blacks tend to be lacto intolerant vs Europeans? A qualitative study can show that certain people lack the enzymes to breakdown the milk sugars etc. You have to dissect people individual to come up with the evidence.

This drums up another point I made earlier, if person A ate 6000 Calories and person B ate 3000, and they had the same daily routine, who would be fatter?

You can't answer that without more information because the Calories in person A's diet may be mostly cellulose, or things that are not digested due to the lack of bacteria's and enzymes needed to break the diet down.

Therefore, a person who eats 6000 calories of, mostly, salad daily vs a person who eats 3000 that has a slice of cake in there, person B will likely be fatter. Calories are not digested equally, nor are they used equally. Counting them may help you in general, but understanding the qualities of food and your own body will be better if you want total control.

We are not studying anything in this case. ONE PERSON... TESTED ONE THING... ON HIMSELF and basically debunked science. That is why I made mention of someone who has some kind of accolade or has familiarity with the subject matter
This is not like Dr. Banner shooting himself with gamma radiation.

What kind of lifestyle does this person lead? What type of lifting excercises was the person doing? Is this a person that is already predisposed to working out? Can we look at the family background or genetics of the person? What was the actual food the person ate?

We could go on and on with relevant questions.

Don't get me wrong I don't think that just because it's the internet that the people here don't have some knowledge to share. We all have topics we are very familiar with, but considering the situation, I don't think it's logical to have solved the mysteries of human physiology via one person doing one thing and then trying to expand on it.

And like Indecline said, there's no "do this and it will have effect X on you." Our bodies react differently to different stimuli. It's just a matter of which one you want to buy in to.

[drunkenstarfish]

If we study this in a quantitative method that can prove causation that Calories cause people to be fatter, and we will likely see a general imprint that everybody is not different. Yet, there will be variation, so how do we explain the variation?

That is why these more qualitative studies are useful.

I have studied digestion, and I can say in general, the principles should be universal. But, how do I explain an anomaly like that more African blacks tend to be lacto intolerant vs Europeans? A qualitative study can show that certain people lack the enzymes to breakdown the milk sugars etc. You have to dissect people individual to come up with the evidence.

I am not bashing you at all, but I have to admit my curiosity has been pricked. Do you talk like this on a daily basis? Using words like this or do you only use them in posts. If you do use them daily do you get a lot of odd looks from the people you are talking to?

[JoeJGibbs]

What is lacto intolerant?

[Indecline]

I am talking about



Please read it through, don't skim.

Not saying when to eat the proteins, you maybe right, but that depends on personal comfort TBH. In studies, casein has shown higher growth, particularly in muscle growth, over soy, egg based proteins and even whey. Casein is found in milk, not soy or egg. In fact, certain people avoid casein by eating the former. Whey is synthesized by denaturing milk products ... they differences are their amino acid compliments. All digested proteins do not get past your intestinal tract until they are broken down to monomers, or amino acids.

They are the same thing, they both do the same thing for your body. The only difference is how your body absorbs them.

You look at any company that makes Casein or any company that makes whey the basic 3 ingredients are Eggs, Milk and Soy.

[Warbuck$_Redux]

I go to this site quite often...

http://www.leangains.com/

I'm not a big weight lifter, but right now I'm in the process of trying to get in shape and this site has cut me down from 242 to around 220 in about a month and a half. It pretty much explores the link between metabolism and food intake. He completely destroys the 5 small meals myth by replacing it with (in my opinion) a more natural scientific approach.

This is a really interesting site. Thanks for the link. I'm trying the 8hr eating, 16hr fasting thing now.

[sportfan88]

This is a really interesting site. Thanks for the link. I'm trying the 8hr eating, 16hr fasting thing now.

Same. Do any of you guys know if it is bad to do both cardio and lifting in the same day?

[Indecline]

Same. Do any of you guys know if it is bad to do both cardio and lifting in the same day?

Not bad.

Rather than do a large amount of cardio though it would be better to just do: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-in...erval_training

[Indecline]

Why don't all you guys stop being *****es and just buy some Winny out of the back of my truck.