And Tebowites are amongst the most delusional people Ive ever across in any form of life.
And Tebowites are amongst the most delusional people Ive ever across in any form of life.
...Seems like he's coming to the realization that he isn't an NFL QB.
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Originally Posted by miT wobeT
You would bash the guy for being "terrible".Originally Posted by Swift456
...Seems like he's coming to the realization that he isn't an NFL QB.
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Originally Posted by miT wobeT
Tim Tebow may not be the best football player but is a PR dream. Takes the high road on everything that's thrown at him and tries to improve.
This guy has never said he's the best quarterback.
He always has said that he needs to improve to be better.
He never throws a teammate under the bus.
He respects his coaches and is a players coach.
ESPN gets great ratings out of the debate on whether or not he should be a quarterback in the NFL. So the media slants questions that make him relevant and it's a continuing success for the media outlets. They keep it going because it's tuning in a lot of interest both negative and good to create "talk".
I don't watch ESPN unless I cannot find anything on TV. It's like MTV did in the 90's, go back to doing what you did best and quit the shenigans. I wanted to watch MTV for music video's of all genres now it's odd shows. ESPN seems to be headed in the less highlights/sports and more about the drama.
Brainwashed? Just pointing put an effective stat he produces. It's like running 2 pt conversions in madden ! He's a beast at it
[QUOTE=CP;1565887]If he's not a distraction, how come Denver Bronco players alluded to this AND more importantly...John Elway couldnt WAIT to get him out on a team where we cant even name the backup...Why is that?[/QUOTE
Because they got Peyton Manning, they had no use for Tebow. Peyton doesn't need any help. Plus Elway is a bit of a donkey. He was forced to play Tebow, he didn't have the intuition to know that Tebow was the better option than Kyle Orton.
When you turn the team around from 1-5 or whatever they were, make the playoffs and beat the Steelers when everyone in the world doubted you that tells a lot of the story, regardless of any nitpick stats u or exaggerations u want to push.
You said " I can't read anything football related?"
You are easily annoyed, it's not going anywhere so the sooner you embrace it, the better.
He's not a brutal QB, brutal Qbs don't turn the team around, change the entire mood of the locker room , make 4th quarter comeback after 4th quarter comeback and make the playoffs. He's also not a distraction, that is all perception.
HAHAHAHAHA! You can't possibly be this dumb! 2 point conversion rate? Wow what a sample size that is, stats really tell the story there! So let me get this straight, the stat I showed of him completing passes to receivers, a quarterback's number one job, is irrelevant while 2 point conversion rates are the real stat? Got it.
Now that that absurdity is out of the way, let me school you on the other 3 supposed stats that matter. Rushing stats? So Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, etc were never great QB's because they couldn't run correct? Is that what I'm getting here? Obviously that's not the case. 90% of being a quarterback is throwing the football, the rest is just bonus. If you are the worst passer statistically in the last decade, how does rushing suddenly make you good? For the record, Mark Sanchez had the same amount of rushing touchdowns(6) as Tebow last season so there goes that argument.
TD/INT ratio. How did I know you'd bring that up. Yes it shows decision-making, but does it really matter? He had 12 tds and 6int's last year which is a 2:1 ratio. Not bad, but let's not forget fumbles. he had 7 fumbles last year, 6 lost. So his TD/turnover ratio was 1:1. Not quite that good now is it? He was tied for third in the NFL in fumbles lost behind only Blaine Gabbert with 8 and Michael Vick with 7. Sanchez and Colt McCoy both had 6 with Tebow. Still think his turnover rate is good? Yeah didn't think so. Even if you add the rushing TD's, a 1.5:1 TD to turnover rate is not good at all. But just to further dispel this notion, Peyton Manning threw 26 interceptions as a rookie. Is he a terrible QB? Is Philip Rivers now terrible after throwing tons of interceptions last year? Please just stop lol.
As for 4th quarter stats, so glad you brought that up. Here are his season stats in the 4th quarter last year.
63-177 961 yds 6tds 4ints, 53.8%
Wow those are amazing LMAO! But, maybe the whole quarter is too much of a sample size for you. Maybe we'll just look at the last 2 minutes of the halves.
21/62 250 yds 2td 1 int 33.9%
Yeah and I'm the crazy one for thinking he sucks. Oh, is that the wrong statistic too? How about in the 4th quarter when leading or trailing by 7 points.
16/33 326 yds 1 td 1int 48.5%
Wow, this is getting really fun. What's that, wrong statistic? It doesn't show what he's good at which is coming from behind? Let's look at that then shall we?
When trailing by 1-8 points:
43/100 672 yds 5tds 1int 43.0%
When trailing by 9-16 points:
33/60 421 yds 5tds 2 int 55.0%
Again I'm amazed. The splits don't show fumbles in these situations so I can't add those in if applicable. Swift face it, no statistics on Earth will prove he's even an average QB. Stop wasting your time. I make you laugh? You have no idea how much you make not just me laugh, but everybody on this board.
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Didn't the Jets have the best red zone offense in the league last season? How much better can Tebow really make them in that regard?
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He doesnt..but hes a child of God and he helps the Jets win the almighty backpages.
...Seems like he's coming to the realization that he isn't an NFL QB.
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Originally Posted by miT wobeT
Not doing this.. Not going the "argue with Swift about a clear scrub QB".. You and JJ are on the same side of the argument.. All I really need to know.
Listen. **** this. **** the National media and the local media and everyone who rides his dick to the sunset. Im ****ing tired of opening the Daily News and seeing Tebow. Im tired of reading the Jets forums and seeing Tebow. I dont give a **** what you think, and stop trying to ****ing tell me how to feel.
Last edited by CP; 08-09-2012 at 08:12 AM.
...Seems like he's coming to the realization that he isn't an NFL QB.
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Originally Posted by miT wobeT
There you go, when trailing his td/int ratio is very solid......he produced when the he needed to , turned the team around and got them into the playoffs.
If Tebow didn't take over, would the Broncos of made the playoffs? Answer is no, or at least not very
I will face nothing, Tebow is not as bad as you say and others say, all the stats in the world you can bring and you'd be wrong.......
Plus did you factor in the rushing stats yet? Or the 2 point conversion rate? Those don't count?
Sorry ball man if I don't take the safe and popular opinion, I go by what I see on the field, instead of glaring at stats........
Again stats never tell the entire story. They are a good indicator of certain things, but they can lead you astray at times.
Get ummm, Swift.
Until they show a stat for intangibles, nobody is going to be smart enough to understand what you're saying. I got you, tho.
Did I say completion percentage was irrelevant? No, Tebow was defintely innacurate at times. The point is, he was smart with the football, and came through when he needed to. The 2 point conversions were key in many of the comebacks. Like it or not they were a significant part of what Tebow did, that is why I asked you to bring them up.
First off Ballaman, you couldn't school me on anything sports related, only thing you could school me on in general is how to make your teeth real yellow.
Yes Rushing Stats. Yea Tom Brady, Montana and Manning were never great QB's. Yep! Exactly! You got it!
No, the point is Tebow's running is a part of his game, it enables him to buy time in the pocket, avoid sacks, and move the chains with his feet. Also tire down the defense and open up the running game. McGahee benefited heavily as a result of Tebow being behind center. Those are tangible qualities that aren't shown through stats.
As far as his Rushing stats, the guy ran for 600 Yards last year and 6 TD's. Those rushing stats were a crucial part of the Broncos victories. Tebow is a running QB, who is still learning to throw. He did however make many big throws last year, most notably in the playoff game vs the Steelers. This while you and all the other Tebow detractors were doubting him.
Let's look at Tebow's overall TD/Int Ratio since he began starting in his rookie year. He has 29 Total TD's and 18 Total Turnovers. Pretty good for a guy who started just about 16 games in his career. So yes his overall TD/TO ratio is good, especially for such a young player.
As far as Rivers and Manning, you are proving my point. Young QB's struggle early on. They throw a lot of interceptions, have bad completion rates and don't really scratch the surface of what they can be. Same thing with Tebow, with this guy;s not just will to win, but will to prepare he will only continue to get better. He will get better as a thrower and will get better as a QB. Again, he is nowhere near as bad as a thrower as people make it out to be.
So the 4th quarter stats show 6 TD's to 4 Int's. He also ran for for 258 yards on 37 carries good for his highest YPC in any quarter at 6.6. See how I can make the stats look good in my favor? You wanna do that? 2,3093039093 can play at that game!
He also had 10 TD to 3 Int's when trailing, which shows he is extremely careful with the ball and and produces when the game is on the line..........
Again Tebow has about 16 or 17 starts in the NFL. He has a total of 29 TD's with 18 Turnovers. Pretty damn good for such a young, raw, inexperienced Football player who everybody and their mother doubted. In his first full season he produced. He will only get better because again he has the will to prepare and the will to win.
Last edited by Swift456; 08-09-2012 at 11:35 AM.
I broke it down more in my next post for the mentally insensible.
Also when the Margin was 0-7 Points, Tebow again shows he can play under the pressure with 8 TD's and 2 Int's. Also 3 of his 6 rushing TD's came in this frame.
In the 2nd half he has a 2:1 TD/int ratio with 10 TD's and 5 picks. Again, plays smarter and produces more down the stretch. All of this we saw on the field. Let's nitpick stats, it's fun.
You and I have bumped heads a time or two, but I think you are really getting after it this time. The proof is in the Ws with Tebow.
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